Your pastor is not perfect. He said something that annoyed you- forgive and study God's words.
The sister did not greet you well yesterday, last week and last year- show love by greeting her well even if she does not greet you well.
That usher has an altitude sometimes- greet even thought they act snobbishly- He/She always assign you the seat you do not like -Greet him/her well and let him/her know that you love him/ heras Christ loves the Church through your actions
Every time she or he gives his or her testimony, do not get jealous - be happy for them- Your own will come too.

Do not be an agent of division- Speak out if you see something wrong or anything that goes against God's commandment e.g abuse of any kind and so on. Do not be quiet, tell the others in the church so there can be corrections. No one is above mistakes and beyond corrections regardless of age.

Learn to love and ask God to show you how to love. No one is perfect , your Pastor is Human too. God qualifies one and anoint ones. Respect your elders in the Church and follow what God want you to do. Support your Pastors, elders and pray for them.

1 Corinthians 12:12 For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves[a] or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

There is no perfect man

cooltola:
Your pastor is not perfect. He said something that annoyed you- forgive and study God's words.
The sister did not greet you well yesterday, last week and last year- show love by greeting her well even if she does not greet you well.
That usher has an altitude sometimes- greet even thought they act snobbishly- He/She always assign you the seat you do not like -Greet him/her well and let him/her know that you love him/ heras Christ loves the Church through your actions
Every time she or he gives his or her testimony, do not get jealous - be happy for them- Your own will come too.

Do not be an agent of division- Speak out if you see something wrong or anything that goes against God's commandment e.g abuse of any kind and so on. Do not be quiet, tell the others in the church so there can be corrections. No one is above mistakes and beyond corrections regardless of age.

Learn to love and ask God to show you how to love. No one is perfect , your Pastor is Human too. God qualifies one and anoint ones. Respect your elders in the Church and follow what God want you to do. Support your Pastors, elders and pray for them.

1 Corinthians 12:12 For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves[a] or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

There is no perfect man

I am going to assume that by bringing in Jesus Christ command there, you are in fact addressing sin and not some silly human issues here.

So, Jesus Christ's command to His followers is " Be ye holy even as your father in Heaven is holy/perfect". So, if a man who claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ has yet to do what Jesus Christ commanded of him, why should anyone listen to whatever he has to say?

Was Jesus Christ off Hia rockers to commanding that all of His followers BE perfect?
Did Jesus Christ give a false statement there?

If No, then why do you suggest that people even listen to and forgive a man who is meant to teach the Truth of God but has himself not be set free by the same Truth of God -assuming we are actually speaking of sin here ?

Why are you willing to lower the standard set by God (assuming you realize that holiness means living above sin) Himself just so people can be pacified in this?

On the issue of righteous, only those who accept and obey the teachings of Jesus Christ can attain that level of worthiness, and no one still struggling with sin gets there. John 8/14/15.

Kobojunkie:
I am going to assume that by bringing in Jesus Christ command there, you are in fact addressing sin and not some silly human issues here.

So, Jesus Christ's command to His followers is " Be ye holy even as your father in Heaven is holy/perfect". So, if a man who claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ has yet to do what Jesus Christ commanded of him, why should anyone listen to whatever he has to say?

Was Jesus Christ off Hia rockers to commanding that all of His followers BE perfect?
Did Jesus Christ give a false statement there?

If No, then why do you suggest that people even listen to and forgive a man who is meant to teach the Truth of God but has himself not be set free by the same Truth of God -assuming we are actually speaking of sin here ?

Why are you willing to lower the standard set by God (assuming you realize that holiness means living above sin) Himself just so people can be pacified in this?

On the issue of righteous, only those who accept and obey the teachings of Jesus Christ can attain that level of worthiness, and no one still struggling with sin gets there. John 8/14/15.

Why are you willing to lower the standard set by God (assuming you realize that holiness means living above sin) Himself just so people can be pacified in this?
1 PETER 1: 14-15 Like obedient children, do not comply with[af] the evil urges you used to follow in your ignorance,[ag] 15 but, like the Holy One who called you, become holy yourselves in all of your conduct, 16 for it is written, “You shall be holy, because I am holy.”[ah] 17 And if you address as Father the one who impartially judges according to each one’s work, live out the time of your temporary residence here[ai] in reverence. 18 You know that from your empty way of life inherited from your ancestors you were ransomed—not by perishable things like silver or gold, 19 but by precious blood like that of an unblemished and spotless lamb, namely Christ.
Thank you for sharing what you think or what is on your mind, God bless you in Jesus Name

cooltola:

1 PETER 1: 14-15 Like obedient children, do not comply with[af] the evil urges you used to follow in your ignorance,[ag] 15 but, like the Holy One who called you, become holy yourselves in all of your conduct, 16 for it is written, “You shall be holy, because I am holy.”[ah] 17 And if you address as Father the one who impartially judges according to each one’s work, live out the time of your temporary residence here[ai] in reverence. 18 You know that from your empty way of life inherited from your ancestors you were ransomed—not by perishable things like silver or gold, 19 but by precious blood like that of an unblemished and spotless lamb, namely Christ.
Thank you for sharing what you think or what is on your mind, God bless you in Jesus Name

And you know that Holiness is what is interpreted as Perfection, in the Gospels?

Also, you do realize that the ones you call pastors are against God Himself since God declared Himself against shepherds in His New Covenant, declaring instead that He alone will Shepherd His own flock - feed them, care for them, search for them when they are lost, etc. He, God will be their one and only Shepherd and Teacher and Master, etc.

Ezekiel 34 vs 9-16 (ERV)
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9. So, you shepherds, listen to the word of the Lord!
10. The Lord God says, “I am against the shepherds. I will demand my sheep from them. I will fire them. They will not be my shepherds anymore. Then the shepherds will not be able to feed themselves, and I will save my flock from their mouths. Then my sheep will not be food for them.”
11. The Lord God says, “I myself will be their Shepherd. I will search for my sheep and take care of them.
12. If a shepherd is with his sheep when they begin to wander away, he will go searching for them. In the same way I will search for my sheep. I will save them and bring them back from all the places where they were scattered on that dark and cloudy day.
13. I will bring them back from those nations. I will gather them from those countries and bring them back to their own land. I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the places where people live.
14. I will lead them to grassy fields. They will go to the place high on the mountains of Israel and lie down on good ground and eat the grass. They will eat in rich grassland on the mountains of Israel.
15. Yes, I will feed my flock, and I will lead them to a place of rest.” This is what the Lord God said.

16. “I will search for the lost sheep. I will bring back the sheep that were scattered and put bandages on the sheep that were hurt. I will make the weak sheep strong, but I will destroy the fat and powerful shepherds. I will feed them the punishment they deserve.”

So ask them who called them and who anointed them to "shepherd" God's flock since God did not call any of them.

Kobojunkie:
And you know that Holiness is what is interpreted as Perfection, in the Gospels?

Also, you do realize that the ones you call pastors are against God Himself since God declared Himself against shepherds in His New Covenant, declaring instead that He alone will Shepherd His own flock - feed them, care for them, search for them when they are lost, etc. He, God will be their one and only Shepherd and Teacher and Master, etc.
So ask them who called them and who anointed them to "shepherd" God's flock since God did not call any of them.

11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep. 12 But a [a]hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. 13 The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”

Also, you do realize that the ones you call pastors are against God Himself since God declared Himself against shepherds in His New Covenant, declaring instead that He alone will Shepherd His own flock - feed them, care for them, search for them when they are lost, etc. He, God will be their one and only Shepherd and Teacher and Master, etc.
So ask them who called them and who anointed them to "shepherd" God's flock since God did not call any of them. :-

Esphesian 4: 7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift. 8 Therefore it says, “When he ascended on high he captured[f] captives; he gave gifts to men.”[g] 9 Now what is the meaning of “he ascended,” except that he also descended[h] to the lower regions,[i] namely, the earth?[j] 10 He, the very one[k] who descended, is also the one who ascended above all the heavens, in order to fill all things. [b] 11 And he himself[l] gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,[m] 12 to equip[n] the saints for the work of ministry, that is,[o] to build up the body of Christ, [/b]13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God—a mature person, attaining to[p] the measure of Christ’s full stature.[q] 14 So[r] we are no longer to be children, tossed back and forth by waves and carried about by every wind of teaching by the trickery of people who craftily carry out their deceitful schemes.[s] 15 But practicing the truth in love,[t] we will in all things grow up into Christ, who is the head. 16 From him the whole body grows, fitted and held together[u] through every supporting ligament.[v] As each one does its part, the body builds itself up in love.

cooltola:

11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.
12 But a [a]hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. 13 The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep.
14 I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own.
15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”

Exactly what God said in Ezekiel 34 through His prophet is what Jesus Christ reiterated here in the passage above. The passage below is supposedly written by Paul, a servant.

cooltola:
Esphesian 4:
7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift.
8 Therefore it says, “When he ascended on high he captured[f] captives; he gave gifts to men.”[g]
9 Now what is the meaning of “he ascended,” except that he also descended[h] to the lower regions,[i] namely, the earth?[j]
10 He, the very one[k] who descended, is also the one who ascended above all the heavens, in order to fill all things.
11 And he himself[l] gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,[m]
12 to equip[n] the saints for the work of ministry, that is,[o] to build up the body of Christ,
13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God—a mature person, attaining to[p] the measure of Christ’s full stature.[q]
14 So[r] we are no longer to be children, tossed back and forth by waves and carried about by every wind of teaching by the trickery of people who craftily carry out their deceitful schemes.[s]
15 But practicing the truth in love,[t] we will in all things grow up into Christ, who is the head.
16 From him the whole body grows, fitted and held together[u] through every supporting ligament.[v] As each one does its part, the body builds itself up in love.

From reading through what you have above from Paul's letter to the Ephesians, are we to believe that God changed His mind, something God NEVER does?
Did Jesus Christ not teach us that the Servant cannot be greater than His Master?

Kobojunkie:
Exactly what God said in Ezekiel 34 through His prophet is what Jesus Christ reiterated here in the passage above. The passage below is supposedly written by Paul, a servant.
From reading through what you have above from Paul's letter to the Ephesians, are we to believe that God changed His mind, something God NEVER does?
Did Jesus Christ not teach us that the Servant cannot be greater than His Master?

If it is a letter, then why is it included in the Holy Bible? It could have excluded from the Holy Bible like the Book of Enoch, thank you for sharing your thoughts

cooltola:
If it is a letter, then why is it included in the Holy Bible?

Of course it is a letter Paul wrote to the Jewish Christians in the town of Ephesus. Why it is included in the Bible? Ask the men who picked for you the books in the bible.. many books did not make it and they are still considered scripture to this date.

Kobojunkie:
Of course it is a letter Paul wrote to the Jewish Christians in the town of Ephesus. Why it is included in the Bible? Ask the men who picked for you the books in the bible.. many books did not make it and they are still considered scripture to this date.

So what do you suggest? who will preach the gospel if there are no pastors, teachers, saints, and those who spiritually gifted? who will make fishers of men? how did you hear the gospel? How did you get baptized?
The letters of Paul are considered scripture that it is why it is included in the Bible- I cannot keep going back and forth with you. - That is my belief and if you believe these are just highly interpreted letters then you are entitled to your belief. When Paul was on way to Damascus, He encountered Jesus Christ and he was converted by our Lord Jesus Christ. God bless you in Jesus Name

cooltola:
So what do you suggest? who will preach the gospel if there are no pastors, teachers, saints, and those who spiritually gifted? who will make fishers of men?

You assume that God NEEDS men to preach His Gospel in the way they teach them today in your churches before His Word can reach those He intends for it to reach, but that was not God's plan but man's plan.

Jeremiah 31 vs 31-34 (ERV)
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31. “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32. not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord.
33. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

God's plan was to send people out, to teach, baptize and move from place to place just as He had His disciples do. Instead, what you have today are men who have set up shop for themselves, built kingdoms for themselves, and even expanded their own rule over many borders.

Jesus Christ was the example to His disciples... He did not set up shop - he built no churches - and neither did he command His followers to do any such. In fact, He warned them against setting themselves up as Teachers or Masters or even as leaders over His flock.

Matthew 23 vs 8-12
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8. But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.[c]
9. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
10. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.
11. The greatest among you shall be your servant.
12. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

He called them to instead serve as slaves to those who He sends them out to. Slaves do not set up shop, and build empires around those they are called to be slaves to.

cooltola:

So what do you suggest? who will preach the gospel if there are no pastors, teachers, saints, and those who spiritually gifted? who will make fishers of men? how did you hear the gospel? How did you get baptized?
The letters of Paul are considered scripture that it is why it is included in the Bible- I cannot keep going back and forth with you. - That is my belief and if you believe these are just highly interpreted letters then you are entitled to your belief. When Paul was on way to Damascus, He encountered Jesus Christ and he was transformed by our Lord Jesus Christ. God bless you in Jesus Name

But more importantly, do you declare the servant's account greater than His Master's in this case, even if by doing so, you decide the Master was in error here....hence He is not the Truth of God that He claims to be?
Or do you obey Jesus Christ by accepting and obeying His teachings over the doctrines of men, even those who are His servants?

Kobojunkie:


But more importantly, do you declare the servant's account greater than His Master's in this case, even if by doing so, you decide the Master was in error here....hence He is not the Truth of God that He claims to be?
Or do you obey Jesus Christ by accepting and obeying His teachings over the doctrines of men, even those who are His servants?

it is called agreeing to disagree- No quarrel bro - I do follow the teaching of Jesus Christ by the way. Paul was instrumental and his letters are spiritually inspired by the Holy Spirit that is why it is included in the Bible and if you disagree, then there is nothing I can do, everyone is entitled to his or her belief- No quarrel, life goes on. God bless you and have a nice day

cooltola:
it is called agreeing to disagree- No quarrel bro - I do follow the teaching of Jesus Christ by the way. Paul was instrumental and his letters are spiritually inspired by the Holy Spirit that is why it is included in the Bible and if you do not agree with my viewpoint , then there is nothing I can do, everyone is entitled to his or her belief- No quarrel, life goes on. God bless you and have a nice day

How can you believe you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ when you are quick to overwrite the Truth of Jesus Christ with the doctrines you glean instead from the servant Paul?

You say Paul's letters are "spiritually" inspired, but Jesus Christ told you that the Spirit He would send you as a Helper will take from that which belongs to Jesus Christ to give you. In this case, it seems the spirit that inspired this letter took, not from the teachings of Jesus Christ but some other teachings to give you. So why do you pretend not to see this?

Jesus Christ commanded that you trust Him and obey His teachings/commandments, not teachings of His servant which in this case contradict if not nullify the teachings of God through His Prophets and through Jesus Christ Himself. So, again, how can you say you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ when in fact it seems you obey the words of His servant instead?

Kobojunkie:
How can you believe you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ when you are quick to overwrite the Truth of Jesus Christ with the doctrines you glean instead from the servant Paul?

You say Paul's letters are "spiritually" inspired, but Jesus Christ told you that the Spirit He would send you as a Helper will take from that which belongs to Jesus Christ to give you. In this case, it seems the spirit that inspired this letter took, not from the teachings of Jesus Christ but some other teachings to give you. So why do you pretend not to see this?

Jesus Christ commanded that you trust Him and obey His teachings/commandments, not teachings of His servant which in this case contradict if not nullify the teachings of God through His Prophets and through Jesus Christ Himself. So, again, how can you say you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ when in fact it seems you obey the words of His servant instead?

Jesus Christ commanded that you trust Him and obey His teachings/commandments, not teachings of His servant which in this case contradict if not nullify the teachings of God through His Prophets and through Jesus Christ Himself. So, again, how can you say you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ when in fact it seems you obey the words of His servant instead? Because it is in the Bible, if it was a letter, then it will not be in the bible just like the Book of Enoch. The teaching of Paul Letters still focus on Jesus Christ and place Jesus Christ as the main point,His letters focus on Jesus Christ and obeying Christ.
How do you come to conclusion that Paul Letters are just his doctrine like other doctrine and not spiritually inspired ? elaborate and explain?

cooltola:
How do you come to conclusion that Paul Letters are just his doctrine? elaborate and explain?

Jesus Christ is the New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God promised by God to His people, Israel, with which He also declared He would bless many nations, and again, according to Jesus Christ, His Contract/Covenant offers you a yoke that is easy and a burden that is light.

Matthew 11 vs 27-30 (ESV)
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27. All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
28. Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

There are a total of about 7 covenants in the bible, and the New Covenant can be compared to the one we have the most details of, which is the Old Covenant.
The Old Covenant Law of Moses in the Land of Canaan, an everlasting covenant, consisted of 613 commandments/statutes, about 20 blessings, 30 curses, 1 seal(circumcision of males), about 5 mandatory rituals/holidays to observe, 1 promises(life forever in the land of Canaan) only open to those descended from the Bloodline of Jacob(and the foreigners who live among them in the land of Canaan).

The New Covenant, however, also an everlasting covenant, offers you only about 55 commandments/statutes, about 10 blessings, over 20 curses, 2 Seals(The Spirit of Truth and the Spirit of God), 1 ritual(Last supper), 3 promises(eternal life- also referred to by John the apostle as grace, Jesus Christ as your one and only guide/Teacher/Shepherd/Master, and eternity in either of Heaven or Hell depending on your choices), and is open to anyone who wants to sign up. The details of this covenant/contract are found embedded in the teachings and examples of Jesus Christ as He is the embodiment of the Covenant/Covenant agreement that God has promised.

The thing about God's covenant is that NO MAN can add, change or remove that which God specified in His Law. There is a commandment making this clear in the Old Covenant and Jesus Christ(the embodiment of the New Covenant) also declares this so in His teachings.

Mark 7 vs 1-13 (ERV)
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1. Now when the Pharisees gathered to him, with some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem,
2. they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed.
3. (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands properly,[a] holding to the tradition of the elders,
4. and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.[c])
[b] 5. And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?”
6. And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,
“‘This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
7. in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

8. You leave the commandment of God and hold to the (doctrines and rules)** tradition of men.”
9. And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!
10. For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’
11. But you say, ‘If a man tells his father or his mother, “Whatever you would have gained from me is Corban”’ (that is, given to God)[d]—
12. then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother,
13. thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

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So, any teaching you receive is meant to be validated against the Truth of God(Jesus Christ and His teachings/commandments to us) for the Jesus Christ, Truth of God, is the Standard where the Kingdom of God is concerned. And since Jesus Christ sent all of His followers out to preach, not their own gospel, nor their idea, but instead the very Gospel of the Kingdom of God, so also, every gospel you hear there must be weighed against the very teachings of Jesus Christ in order to verify its veracity.

In this case, everything Paul says also has to be weighed against the teachings of Jesus Christ, who is also the Word of God from even before the very beginning...through Him we were made after all. We are called to trust Jesus Christ and so any teaching that does not align with the Truth as revealed by Him is not of God but of men.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ is the New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God promised by God to His people, Israel, with which He also declared He would bless many nations, and again, according to Jesus Christ, His Contract/Covenant offers you a yoke that is easy and a burden that is light.

There are a total of about 7 covenants in the bible, and the New Covenant can be compared to the one we have the most details of, which is the Old Covenant.
The Old Covenant Law of Moses in the Land of Canaan, an everlasting covenant, consisted of 613 commandments/statutes, about 20 blessings, 30 curses, 1 seal(circumcision of males), about 5 mandatory rituals/holidays to observe, 1 promises(life forever in the land of Canaan) only open to those descended from the Bloodline of Jacob(and the foreigners who live among them in the land of Canaan).

The New Covenant, however, also an everlasting covenant, offers you only about 55 commandments/statutes, about 10 blessings, over 20 curses, 2 Seals(The Spirit of Truth and the Spirit of God), 1 ritual(Last supper), 3 promises(eternal life- also referred to by John the apostle as grace, Jesus Christ as your one and only guide/Teacher/Shepherd/Master, and eternity in either of Heaven or Hell depending on your choices), and is open to anyone who wants to sign up. The details of this covenant/contract are found embedded in the teachings and examples of Jesus Christ as He is the embodiment of the Covenant/Covenant agreement that God has promised.

The thing about God's covenant is that NO MAN can add, change or remove that which God specified in His Law. There is a commandment making this clear in the Old Covenant and Jesus Christ(the embodiment of the New Covenant) also declares this so in His teachings.

_{** substituted from another Bible translation for better understanding of what is impacted}

So, any teaching you receive is meant to be validated against the Truth of God(Jesus Christ and His teachings/commandments to us) for the Jesus Christ, Truth of God, is the Standard where the Kingdom of God is concerned. And since Jesus Christ sent all of His followers out to preach, not their own gospel, nor their idea, but instead the very Gospel of the Kingdom of God, so also, every gospel you hear there must be weighed against the very teachings of Jesus Christ in order to verify its veracity.

In this case, everything Paul says also has to be weighed against the teachings of Jesus Christ, who is also the Word of God from even before the very beginning...through Him we were made after all. We are called to trust Jesus Christ and so any teaching that does not align with the Truth as revealed by Him is not of God but of men.

You still do not explain how Paul followed his own doctrine. You just quoted what is already in the Bible, if Paul letters were not focus on Jesus Christ who is the author and finisher of our faith, then it will not be included in the bible. It will be disregarded and considered a heresy of the gospel of Jesus Christ. A heresy in the sense, that it rejects the truth of the gospel in which Jesus is the way , the truth and the light. A heresy in the sense that there are other ways to everlasting life and Jesus Christ is not the only way , where God allows some sinful behaviors because God is loving and want everyone to go heaven and other ways and so on . Last time, I read and mediated on the letters from Apostle Paul, I never read where Paul said or shifted that Jesus is not the center and Jesus is not the primary focus and where Paul took the glory and followed his doctrine and this is why I disagree with you. No one is disagreeing what was written the First books of New Testament which is Matthew, Luke , Mark and John and all what is in the Bible. It is just how one decide that Paul was just follow his own doctrines is what I question.

cooltola:

You still do not explain how Paul followed his own doctrine. You just quoted what is already in the Bible, if Paul letters were not focus on Jesus Christ who is the author and finisher of our faith, then it will not be included in the bible. It will be disregarded and considered a heresy of the gospel of Jesus Christ. A heresy in the sense, that it rejects the truth of the gospel in which Jesus is the way , the truth and the light. A heresy in the sense that there are other ways to everlasting life and Jesus Christ is not the only way , where God allows some sinful behaviors because God is loving and want everyone to go heaven and other ways and so on . Last time, I read and mediated on the letters from Apostle Paul, I never read where Paul said or shifted that Jesus is not the center and Jesus is not the primary focus and where Paul took the glory and followed his doctrine and this is why I disagree with you. No one is disagreeing what was written the First books of New Testament which is Matthew, Luke , Mark and John and all what is in the Bible. It is just how one decide that Paul was just follow his own doctrines is what I question.

Read again what I wrote to you , this time very carefully, to understand why Paul's was never instructed to teach his own gospel but exactly that which was taught by Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone.

Just like in the Old Testament, the prophets never attempted in any way to teach anything that contradicted the Law , truth of God as it was given to them through Moses, even more so, those who are called as followers of Jesus Christ as expected to stick to the letter of the Law that is Jesus Christ, never deviating or teaching anything that contradicts it in any way.

The Law defines for us what is sin and what is acceptable, so only by learning and obeying and teaching the very Law can you be said to be teaching the truth of God because the teachings of men do not define that which is instead of God.

An example of teaching contrary to that of Jesus Christ is the mention of John and Paul as "fathers" over those they taught the gospel to, in their letters. Jesus Christ warned His followers that in His Kingdom, there is only one Father over all those who belong in His flock and He is in Heaven. However, by mentioning in their letters that they were fathers over some in the flock that belongs to God, both men sinned against God in that.

Kobojunkie:
Read again what I wrote to you , this time very carefully, to understand why Paul's was never instructed to teach his own gospel but exactly that which was taught by Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone.

Just like in the Old Testament, the prophets never attempted in any way to teach anything that contradicted the Law , truth of God as it was given to them through Moses, even more so, those who are called as followers of Jesus Christ as expected to stick to the letter of the Law that is Jesus Christ, never deviating or teaching anything that contradicts it in any way.

The Law defines for us what is sin and what is acceptable, so only by learning and obeying and teaching the very Law can you be said to be teaching the truth of God because the teachings of men do not define that which is instead of God.

An example of teaching contrary to that of Jesus Christ is the mention of John and Paul as "fathers" over those they taught the gospel to, in their letters. Jesus Christ warned His followers that in His Kingdom, there is only one Father over all those who belong in His flock and He is in Heaven. However, by mentioning in their letters that they were fathers over some in the flock that belongs to God, both men sinned against God in that.

show the bible verse where John and Paul as fathers

cooltola:

show the bible verse where John and Paul as fathers

Why can't you do it yourself?

The one is 1Corinthians 4 vs 15. The other is found in John's letter.

Kobojunkie:
Read again what I wrote to you , this time very carefully, to understand why Paul's was never instructed to teach his own gospel but exactly that which was taught by Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone.

Just like in the Old Testament, the prophets never attempted in any way to teach anything that contradicted the Law , truth of God as it was given to them through Moses, even more so, those who are called as followers of Jesus Christ as expected to stick to the letter of the Law that is Jesus Christ, never deviating or teaching anything that contradicts it in any way.

The Law defines for us what is sin and what is acceptable, so only by learning and obeying and teaching the very Law can you be said to be teaching the truth of God because the teachings of men do not define that which is instead of God.

An example of teaching contrary to that of Jesus Christ is the mention of John and Paul as "fathers" over those they taught the gospel to, in their letters. Jesus Christ warned His followers that in His Kingdom, there is only one Father over all those who belong in His flock and He is in Heaven. However, by mentioning in their letters that they were fathers over some in the flock that belongs to God, both men sinned against God in that.

not true, father in the sense not in the way you interpret. Father in the way that he take himself as God the Father

cooltola:

not true, father in the sense not in the way you interpret. Father in the way that he take himself as God the Father

You are wrong! So long as the relationship is of the Kingdom of God, it is wrong to address anyone in this relationship as "father".

Paul and John were referring to their biological children, but instead those they both came to know in the Kingdom of God. This is why they are both wrong!

Do know that making excuses for them in this is against you, not them since you pitch your self against God when you try to excuse the sins of others.
Paul and John are in their graves, sleeping, waiting for Jesus Christ to return and judge their works. It does not help your case at all to take the side of mere men over Go Himself.

Kobojunkie:
You are wrong! So long as the relationship is of the Kingdom of God, it is wrong to address anyone in this relationship as "father".

Paul and John were referring to their biological children, but instead those they both came to know in the Kingdom of God. This is why they are both wrong!

Do know that making excuses for them in this is against you, not them since you pitch your self against God when you try to excuse the sins of others.
Paul and John are in their graves, sleeping, waiting for Jesus Christ to return and judge their works. It does not help your case at all to take the side of mere men over Go Himself.

Let God be Judge , After all, they never promoted above Jesus Christ. They always keep Jesus Christ as the focus point in their letters or doctrine.

cooltola:

Let God be Judge , After all, they never promoted above Jesus Christ. They always keep Jesus Christ as the focus point in their letters or doctrine.

God is the judge and He already judged it a sin to call anyone in His Kingdom, father, that is why He declared it a sin from 2000 years ago. And by declaring themselves fathers over God's flock, these men committed a sin against God in their letters.

God did not ask you to check whether a person supposedly promotes Jesus Christ or not before you identify that which is sin against Him. No, He gave us all His followers and told us to judge rightly. Remember, whatever you do with the Truth, you will be judged by.

In Jeremiah, we learn that the Word of God is like a consuming fire and every work we do here will be tested by it. The Word of God are the very teachings of Jesus Christ. If you are not even willing to point to sin and say, "this is sin", are you sure you can say you KNOW Him?

Kobojunkie:
I am going to assume that by bringing in Jesus Christ command there, you are in fact addressing sin and not some silly human issues here.

So, Jesus Christ's command to His followers is " Be ye holy even as your father in Heaven is holy/perfect". So, if a man who claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ has yet to do what Jesus Christ commanded of him, why should anyone listen to whatever he has to say?

Was Jesus Christ off Hia rockers to commanding that all of His followers BE perfect?
Did Jesus Christ give a false statement there?

If No, then why do you suggest that people even listen to and forgive a man who is meant to teach the Truth of God but has himself not be set free by the same Truth of God -assuming we are actually speaking of sin here ?

Why are you willing to lower the standard set by God (assuming you realize that holiness means living above sin) Himself just so people can be pacified in this?

On the issue of righteous, only those who accept and obey the teachings of Jesus Christ can attain that level of worthiness, and no one still struggling with sin gets there. John 8/14/15.

Bro, it should be obvious to you that you are the one proclaiming what the Bible never teaches. And this had gone round in your views and explanation. The OP may not have presented a perfect explanation but his words are clear enough to show you God's desire from the scriptures.

The more you stay this narrative of yours, you aren't in obedience to God's word as I have told you before now.


A walk in the spirit cannot bring scattering but a gathering of believers. There is so much wrong that you will need to sit and relearn on this.

You can't be pushing a self desire and then select scriptures to support such wrong attitude.

The church, the gathering of believers are God's instructions and practices of the Bible. In fact, it is God's wisdom for believers growth.

There is so much to miss if you continue this track Bro.

hoopernikao:


Bro, it should be obvious to you that you are the one proclaiming what the Bible never teaches. And this had gone round in your views and explanation. The OP may not have presented a perfect explanation but his words are clear enough to show you God's desire from the scriptures.

The more you stay this narrative of yours, you aren't in obedience to God's word as I have told you before now.


A walk in the spirit cannot bring scattering but a gathering of believers. There is so much wrong that you will need to sit and relearn on this.

You can't be pushing a self desire and then select scriptures to support such wrong attitude.

The church, the gathering of believers are God's instructions and practices of the Bible. In fact, it is God's wisdom for believers growth.

There is so much to miss if you continue this track Bro.

Your churches, your pastors, your gatherings are not of God. I already made it clear to you that Jesus Christ commanded none of it and since God is not a man that He should lie, neither the son of man that He should change His mind, I will continue to believe God in everything.

Instead of rambling on and on and throwing accusations here and there, why not bring yourself down and actually engage, meaningfully, if you truly believe what you have to say holds ground where scripture is concerned.

Jesus Christ is the New Covensnt Law Promised us by God Himself, the very Law /contract we have from God where the Kingdom of God is concerned...His teachings, the Truth of God and the standard by which we are all to be Judged. If you have a problem with that, then I can see why you would have a problem with me and what I say. If you do not, then you should be able to intelligently counter my claims of His teachings, and need I add, without trying to impose your interpretation on what is stated in scripture.

cooltola:
Your pastor is not perfect. He said something that annoyed you- forgive and study God's words.
The sister did not greet you well yesterday, last week and last year- show love by greeting her well even if she does not greet you well.
That usher has an altitude sometimes- greet even thought they act snobbishly- He/She always assign you the seat you do not like -Greet him/her well and let him/her know that you love him/ heras Christ loves the Church through your actions
Every time she or he gives his or her testimony, do not get jealous - be happy for them- Your own will come too.

Do not be an agent of division- Speak out if you see something wrong or anything that goes against God's commandment e.g abuse of any kind and so on. Do not be quiet, tell the others in the church so there can be corrections. No one is above mistakes and beyond corrections regardless of age.

Learn to love and ask God to show you how to love. No one is perfect , your Pastor is Human too. God qualifies one and anoint ones. Respect your elders in the Church and follow what God want you to do. Support your Pastors, elders and pray for them.

1 Corinthians 12:12 For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves[a] or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

There is no perfect man

So, Who Is Now Perfect? D Bible Said, Be Ye Perfect As Ur Father In Heaven Is Perfect. If It Were Not Possible, God Wouldn't Av Said So. Perfection Doesn't Just Happen. It's A Gradual Process. It's A Growth. U Don't Just Expect A 1 Month Old Baby To Start Eating Eba Or Be Walking.

Truvel:
So, Who Is Now Perfect? D Bible Said, Be Ye Perfect As Ur Father In Heaven Is Perfect. If It Were Not Possible, God Wouldn't Av Said So. Perfection Doesn't Just Happen. It's A Gradual Process. It's A Growth. U Don't Just Expect A 1 Month Old Baby To Start Eating Eba Or Be Walking.

Agree with what you are saying.

Kobojunkie:
Your churches, your pastors, your gatherings are not of God. I already made it clear to you that Jesus Christ commanded none of it and since God is not a man that He should lie, neither the son of man that He should change His mind, I will continue to believe God in everything.

Instead of rambling on and on and throwing accusations here and there, why not bring yourself down and actually engage, meaningfully, if you truly believe what you have to say holds ground where scripture is concerned.

Jesus Christ is the New Covensnt Law Promised us by God Himself, the very Law /contract we have from God where the Kingdom of God is concerned...His teachings, the Truth of God and the standard by which we are all to be Judged. If you have a problem with that, then I can see why you would have a problem with me and what I say. If you do not, then you should be able to intelligently counter my claims of His teachings, and need I add, without trying to impose your interpretation on what is stated in scripture.

Bro, stop moving around in circle.

I have asked you to point to instruction in the scripture that abhor Christian gathering. Arent you seeing your disobedience. It's sad it isn't obvious to you.

A practice so loud in the Bible. so practiced by your lord, and you are confident in standing against it. And still have the boldness to call yourself Jesus disciples. Do you know who a disciple is at all.

Something is influencing you Bro.


Do you even know what the word 'church' means in itself as used in Bible. If you do, you will know God's mind to gathering,

You see words like:
Disciple
Church
Two and Three witness
Etc

Matthew 18:15-20 showed you a pattern of how a believer handles issues, he mentioned a gathering of 2, 3, tell to church). Was Jesus refering to party gathering.

You saw all these and you can't even know it's import or implication.


Shey é nka Bible shá or you are just strong will to stand against God's will. Bro repent jor.

hoopernikao:

Bro, stop moving around in circle.
I have asked you to point to instruction in the scripture that abhor Christian gathering. Arent you seeing your disobedience. It's sad it isn't obvious to you.
A practice so loud in the Bible. so practiced by your lord, and you are confident in standing against it. And still have the boldness to call yourself Jesus disciples. Do you know who a disciple is at all.
Something is influencing you Bro.

Do you even know what the word 'church' means in itself as used in Bible. If you do, you will know God's mind to gathering,
You see words like:
Disciple
Church
Two and Three witness
Etc

Matthew 18:15-20 showed you a pattern of how a believer handles issues, he mentioned a gathering of 2, 3, tell to church). Was Jesus refering to party gathering.
You saw all these and you can't even know it's import or implication.
Shey é nka Bible shá or you are just strong will to stand against God's will. Bro repent jor.

From the passage below, explain to me how by using the word "church", Jesus Christ in fact means Jesus Christ commands a literal gathering of people like what you have in your churches today as you continue to suggest?

Matthew 18 vs 15-20 (ESV)
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15. “If your brother or sister in God’s family does something wrong, go and tell them what they did wrong. Do this when you are alone with them. If they listen to you, then you have helped them to be your brother or sister again.
16. But if they refuse to listen, go to them again and take one or two people with you. Then there will be two or three people who will be able to tell all that happened.[b]
17. If they refuse to listen to them, tell the church. And if they refuse to listen to the church, treat them as you would treat someone who does not know God or who is a tax collector.

18. “I can assure you that when you speak judgment here on earth, it will be God’s judgment. And when you promise forgiveness here on earth, it will be God’s forgiveness.[c]
19. To say it another way, if two of you on earth agree on anything you pray for, my Father in heaven will do what you ask.
20. Yes, if two or three people are together believing in me, I am there with them.”

Kobojunkie:
From the passage below, explain to me how by using the word "church", Jesus Christ in fact means Jesus Christ commands a literal gathering of people like what you have in your churches today as you continue to suggest?

You are the one who has an explanation to make Sir.

Jesus says tell it to 2 or 3. I am sure you know he isnt talking about gossip but a people coming together to handle issue.

He said "tell it to the church".

He said what 2 or 3, or the church, shall AGREE.

Vs 20 shows you how that agreement happens.

He said "where 2 or 3 ARE Gathered IN MY NAME.

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Pay attention to this .

What is the gathering for?
To agree, to do, to act on the same thing. A unity of purpose, not a gist squad.

Why do they gather?
To bear witness, witness of the same thing, same purpose, this applies same to witness of Christ. Christ work was affirmed, in the mouth of 2,3, other gathered. The 2, the 3, the church is a gathering of Jesus witness.


Bro?
Was there a gathering? Yes. And his presence among us.

Did Jesus called it His Gathering? Yes. IN MY NAME.

Are we to gather In His Name? Yes. To agree, to have same purpose, to affirm what is right.


Was it the same gathering as we have today? You are the one to explain this as you know where your feet has taken you to, to see what is not Christ gathering.

As for me, I only know of the gathering of believer in different places all around the world, in agreement of purpose, to serve, to witness.
Whether they are 2,or 3 or many. Christ among us.