Lubumbashi:
If we love our neighbour the way we try to love God, our society will be a much better place to live in.

we have bunch of religious people around not Godly people.
the days of the Godly is gone but now the days of the religious ones.

Righteousness2:
If it is a Family house, the young man is absolutely wrong to do so without carrying the Family along!
The Church should do the Needful by returning the Said documents to the Family!

If the House belongs to the young man, then he can do whatever he wants with his house..

I use to respect you alot on this platform, but this your talk nor follow road at all, so even if the house belongs to the young man, he's free to donate it and allow his father to roam the streets homeless, just because the church want to fund their ostentatious lifestyles.........
Donate all your properties to the church, it's allowed
but
kill goats and chickens for the gods, it's wrong.
Hypocrisy of the church...............

Righteousness2:
If it is a Family house, the young man is absolutely wrong to do so without carrying the Family along!
The Church should do the Needful by returning the Said documents to the Family!

If the House belongs to the young man, then he can do whatever he wants with his house..

na ogun go kee your papa, na me dey the family one church go come collect make I show dem real life devil

The Son and the Pastors are all raving mad

Righteousness2:
If the House belongs to the young man, then he can do whatever he wants with his house..

by trowing his aged mother and father on the street

E don tay wen you De mad

Elxandre:

The first seed your should be sowing should be in the lives of helpless people.
You support making poor people homeless just to donate to church in the name of expressing faith?
Giving people a place to hide their heads is already a seed. Didn't Jesus say that in Matthew 25:26?

You lack empathy!

You wrong... when it comes to the issue of faith, you got it wrong. I don't support making people homeless but I believe the church will do the right thing.

The Church has done nothing wrong and will do the right thing I believe if the story is true.


People kill others in the name of faith, what is house!

Beey:
This doctrine of sowing seed is making people go mad. I belong to the old school Christianity. He started with a car, now is a house. Wait a minute, does the church care about where he’ll be sleeping? Okay let’s even assume what you said is true that the family wants to keep the house. Isn’t there a blessing in honoring your parents especially now that it sounds like they have nowhere to go? Which kind of church is this that’s being driven by what they’ll get after selling the house without caring about where the old man will sleep? Wisdom is profitable to direct. Some of this faith is turning to madness. When it comes to giving it’s good to use your head, not just the heart. Worst is to give because of emotions, not because you heard from God. When it comes to giving, I’d rather support the poor or those in need. The pastors are already wealthy. One was even bragging how he acquired a 3rd private jet during covid, while some members don’t own a bicycle. God owns the silver & gold. He is not expecting me to walk naked in the name of giving all to Him.

Oga, the book of psalms 126: 4 to 6 shows the joy of sowing seeds. We must always learn to sow seed in our walk of faith.


One of the things that endeared Mary in Jesus heart was the seed of precious ointment she poured on Jesus's legs. While Judas was thinking like you, which is not suppose to be bad thing but in context it is cos lack of spiritual understanding, Mary was showing love, submission and sowing a seed of faith buy wasting that very expensive oil on Jesus's feet and with her tears.

That oil was an asset and could have been used to finance so many good deeds and just like Judas thought it was a waste, since they could make so much money from it and probably give it to the poor as you would suggest, Jesus saw it as an act of worship and ever since, Mary and her family, Martha and Lazarus kept experiencing the miraculous and been spoken of generation to generations.

The church will do the right thing when they know the real story, I believe and am sure theywill guide him on the right thing to do. They won't throw the man's family out but please, there is nothing wrong with the man's action of which I believe he owns the property and he only acted on his beliefs. We all do and the church has done nothing wrong either.

iboboyswag:



The big is not seed sowing... It is something worse.

There is an active teaching in most Christ Embassy churches that the world is about to end, so all members are enjoined to bring their worldly possessions to the church for liquidation to allow the church reach more people before the world ends in 2030.


This is not an isolated case...

I have written about it here.
https://www.nairaland.com/6392243/christ-embassy-words-rapture-slow

That your article on Christ Embassy should on front page.
I have never seen Oyakhilome as a pastor. He is just one those fake preachers sent by the Devil himself to mislead the World. Jesus talked extensively about it in Mattew 24.

tutudesz:
Who do we blame for this problem The stupid son we doesn't care about family or the stupid pastor for accepting the house paper

both of them

How low can christianity be?

Euforia:


Don't count too much on that. Christ Embassy as an entity has been embroiled in too many issues regarding 'donations' and sometimes outright arm twisting.

Several years ago there was a story that made the rounds which a senior Christian Police top brass (A DIG at that time) corroborated. It revolved around donations made to abtune ofb32/34 Billion made by a staff of Sheraton Hotels, Ikeja.

The man was eventually arrested and when interrogated he revealed with evidences that he made consistent donations to Christ Embassy as a church. As a matter of fact he produced a letter of commendation presented to him in recognition of his support to the ministry.

What beat my imagination then was when the church was asked to refund the money and it is reported that Pastor Chris said he wouldn't as the money now belonged to the Almighty.

I was shocked to my marrows. To worsen it wall the church never issued a statement on that matter till this day.

A second incident was when they encroached on land belongin to a friend of mine in Ogun State and then when the owner accosted them they threatened him with fire and brimstones swearing theta the land was for God. The church assured the owner that they had the best lawyers and if course public sympathy and only offered him a pittance for the land.

As would be expected the matter went as far as the supreme court before they had some sense and begged for an out of court settlement. Your guess is as good as mine. My friend took them to the cleaners.

Christ Embassy has bad repute for hijacking people's properties. I don't like that organization.

Lubumbashi:
If we love our neighbour the way we try to love God, our society will be a much better place to live in.

There is a correct way to love God.

You are an international mad man.

What do you mean by if the house belongs to him....didn't you read the family helped too? So he should sow the house his father lives in and the father should be homeless? You don't even know God you're just an International Mad Man.

Righteousness2:
If it is a Family house, the young man is absolutely wrong to do so without carrying the Family along!
The Church should do the Needful by returning the Said documents to the Family!

If the House belongs to the young man, then he can do whatever he wants with his house..

georgeakins:


That your article on Christ Embassy should on front page.
I have never seen Oyakhilome as a pastor. He is just one those fake preachers sent by the Devil himself to mislead the World. Jesus talked extensively about it in Mattew 24.

I am almost led to believe the same but then you see, his is not the Antichrist but mental imbalance.

A man that has so believed himself in touch with God that he starts to think himself the mouthpiece of and in many ways god himself.

It hurts because in my interaction with many of these young people being fed this doctrine, all I see is a desire to serve God but unfortunately, they are being led and look up to a man on the brink of lunacy.

The same for those following that apostle with a Muslim name.

Srinivasa:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FZjoRNEtCM



https://www.lindaikejisblog.com/2021/3/commotion-as-man-donates-his-family-house-to-christ-embassy-leaving-his-family-members-at-risk-of-being-homeless-video.html

The Church got absolutely nothing. You can't make a gift inter vivos or otherwise of a property that does not belong to you. THe law recognizes this by the old maxim, nemo dat quod non habet (meaning you cannot give what you do not have). Even if he purported to sell it, the requisite consent of the rightful members was not received. So the church received nothing.

Later people will say the law is nonesense ooo, but the family now hopes that the court will come to their rescue , which it will nevertheless as the last hope of the common man.

The family should just resist any attempt to be thrown out before court gives a judgement, Possession still gives them a strong leg to stand on, so they should ensure they remain there to fight the church.

This is so dishearting.
Assuredly, the man is not in his rightful mind. He must have brain damage or being cursed by some set witches.
It's strange to me, how can a man is in his rightful sense donate his family house to so called Fraudulent church and the church receive it.
Well, I'm not surprised, the main motive of building a church is for Business. The fastest growing Business now in Nigeria is church. Just get to witches and wizard behind you and start performing Miracles, within few days, you will get alot of Customers patronizing you.
So ooo Funny ...

Dawudabiodun52:
This is so dishearting.
Assuredly, the man is not in his rightful mind. He must have brain damage or being cursed by some set witches.
It's strange to me, how can a man is in his rightful sense donate his family house to so called Fraudulent church and the church receive it.
Well, I'm not surprised, the main motive of building a church is for Business. The fastest growing Business now in Nigeria is church. Just get to witches and wizard behind you and start performing Miracles, within few days, you will get alot of Customers patronizing you.
So ooo Funny ...

A church that causes students to sow and receives large sums from students who have no visible means of income is fraudulent.

Not just Christ Embassy but much of the Pentecostal Christian churches in Nigeria.

Their romance with thievery is legendary.

me I'm just interested in the type of jazz the use in hypnotizing this fellows.

Righteousness2:
If it is a Family house, the young man is absolutely wrong to do so without carrying the Family along!
The Church should do the Needful by returning the Said documents to the Family!

If the House belongs to the young man, then he can do whatever he wants with his house..

I disagree with the last statement. Even if the house belongs to the young man and the Church discovers that the father and other family members are living in the said house, the Church is supposed to back off. If the Church goes ahead to forcefully eject the family, they are just bringing reproach to the name of God.
SCAMMERS IN THE NAME OF CHRISTIANITY BRINGING REPROACH TO THE NAME OF OUR GOD AND MAKING THE WORK OF EVANGELISM VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE TRUE CHRISTIANS.

Righteousness2:
If it is a Family house, the young man is absolutely wrong to do so without carrying the Family along!
The Church should do the Needful by returning the Said documents to the Family!

If the House belongs to the young man, then he can do whatever he wants with his house..

So u cannot read n see it's a family house,

hush15:


You wrong... when it comes to the issue of faith, you got it wrong. I don't support making people homeless but I believe the church will do the right thing.

The Church has done nothing wrong and will do the right thing I believe if the story is true.


People kill others in the name of faith, what is house!

The church is using lawyer to threaten the family to pack out, n u think this is ok

armyofone:
It is his house - since he feels he, his wife and children are not coming back or if they do, they will build a new home, he is free to donate to charity.

Those family living in it should move out.

Who knows they have been living there for years free of charge and responsibility while fighting the guy over his house.

Omo, are u already. Did u even watch the video. It's not his house, it's a family land, the man children contributed money to build the house for their father tho he contributed the lion share doesn't mean it's his house.

Even if it's his house, so u prefer his father go homeless?

armyofone:
Most likely it is his house - also they said he contributed the lion share...Someone can't just come from abroad and ask people living in a home to move out now.
You don't have to be privy to deduced some things.
Maybe it is nollywood story sef.

But for the father - he should have rethought the whole thing...anyway Nigeria story - there is always more to it.

It's not his house, he only has the effrontery to do so because he contributed the lion share n probably his the rich one amoung his siblings.

mastermaestro:


I am not taking sides. But I strongly believe that the donor is the sole owner of the house. The family is grieved because they have no alternative accommodation. Since it has to do with church and pastor, everyone will twist the story to dent the image of the church. How could many people contribute to build a house? Lame defence to get public sympathy.
For them to say that he brought the lion's share proves that he singlehandedly built the house.
It is not a family house. People should learn to tell the truth.

And u know this because the man told u.
I pity u sha because religion has beclouded ur sense or reasoning

Christ Embassy is too big for this kind of news naa. I don't think Pastor Chris or the zonal director in warri is aware of this.

hush15:



Oga, the book of psalms 126: 4 to 6 shows the joy of sowing seeds. We must always learn to sow seed in our walk of faith.


One of the things that endeared Mary in Jesus heart was the seed of precious ointment she poured on Jesus's legs. While Judas was thinking like you, which is not suppose to be bad thing but in context it is cos lack of spiritual understanding, Mary was showing love, submission and sowing a seed of faith buy wasting that very expensive oil on Jesus's feet and with her tears.

That oil was an asset and could have been used to finance so many good deeds and just like Judas thought it was a waste, since they could make so much money from it and probably give it to the poor as you would suggest, Jesus saw it as an act of worship and ever since, Mary and her family, Martha and Lazarus kept experiencing the miraculous and been spoken of generation to generations.

The church will do the right thing when they know the real story, I believe and am sure theywill guide him on the right thing to do. They won't throw the man's family out but please, there is nothing wrong with the man's action of which I believe he owns the property and he only acted on his beliefs. We all do and the church has done nothing wrong either.

Let me clarify that am not against giving. Giving of tithes & offerings is Biblical. If you feel led to give something to your pastor, I have no problem with that. My issue is when the doctrine of sowing seed is overhyped at the expense of the true Gospel. Those preaching it come with verses to push you towards giving & making it seem like you giving that thing, will cause God to give you something in return. God is not like the genie On Alladin’s lamp where you rub the lamp & then he appears & disappears. God doesn’t need anything from you in order to bless you. Yes He requires your obedience & He May specifically ask you to give something. However , until you’ve heard from God, quit thinking that you have to give God something before He can bless you in return. The earth & the fullness thereof belongs to God! The Gospel
of sowing seed as it’s preached today, it’s been turned into a manipulative doctrine to brainwash followers into giving without being coerced. Manipulation & witchcraft are 1st cousins.

Beey:
Let me clarify that am not against giving. Giving of tithes & offerings is Biblical. If you feel led to give something to your pastor, I have no problem with that. My issue is when the doctrine of sowing seed is overhyped at the expense of the true Gospel. Those preaching it come with verses to push you towards giving & making it seem like you giving that thing, will cause God to give you something in return. God is not like the genie On Alladin’s lamp where you rub the lamp & then he appears & disappears. God doesn’t need anything from you in order to bless you. Yes He requires your obedience & He May specifically ask you to give something. However , until you’ve heard from God, quit thinking that you have to give God something before He can bless you in return. The earth & the fullness thereof belongs to God! The Gospel
of sowing seed as it’s preached today, it’s been turned into a manipulative doctrine to brainwash followers into giving without being coerced. Manipulation & witchcraft are 1st cousins.

Don't balance it. Faith is the belief of things hoped for, evidence of thing not yet seen. It is different from all you typing. This is not about giving, faith goes beyond giving...

When you want to trust in God for something, you don't go to the poor oga. Am sure that guy is looking unto God for something. This is not being a nice guy. The funny part is it might just be they deported him and banned him from entering the UK and he wants to go back to the UK but we don't know the background story so I won't assume and speak for him.

The family are talking about him giving his house away, do they even know what is on the guy's mind? Do they even have the slightest idea why the guy would make such audacious move, person sow his car, like that isn't enough, he moved to give his house...

Its no joke bro. whether he na cajole or not, that is a bold move and I pray he gets answers to sort all these problem that could warrant such act.

Family is complaining now but if the move goes right, they would forget that they tested his faith sef

hush15:



Don't balance it. Faith is the belief of things hoped for, evidence of thing not yet seen. It is different from all you typing. This is not about giving, faith goes beyond giving...

When you want to trust in God for something, you don't go to the poor oga. Am sure that guy is looking unto God for something. This is not being a nice guy. The funny part is it might just be they deported him and banned him from entering the UK and he wants to go back to the UK but we don't know the background story so I won't assume and speak for him.

The family are talking about him giving his house away, do they even know what is on the guy's mind? Do they even have the slightest idea why the guy would make such audacious move, person sow his car, like that isn't enough, he moved to give his house...

Its no joke bro. whether he na cajole or not, that is a bold move and I pray he gets answers to sort all these problem that could warrant such act.

Family is complaining now but if the move goes right, they would forget that they tested his faith sef

LOL, I belong to a different school of faith because at some point while I was in high school , I was in one of those mom & dad churches that want you to give almost to the point of giving your kidney . I thank God for deliverance. I am sure our argument will not change our beliefs so, let’s focus on serving God.

NoBones:
.
So what are the heavenly riches?
You are the biggest fool here for insulting someone who didn't insult you.

Bro,it's not an insult to call a fool 'a fool'. That u are asking the meaning of heavenly riches shows that you are a kid and deserve no reply.

grandstar:
These religious highway men will never fail to milk the gullible. If he was sowing because he loves God, that is one thing.

But he isn't sowing because he loves God but because of greed. He wants that house to yield multiple times the value into his pocket.

We live in the last days. Is this the time to preach to your members to accumulate as much as possible?

Wise observation

It's high time for efcc to start hunting for motherfucking yahoo yahoo churches

June 2018: Mum called me and told me kid sis needed 10k to collect original WAEC results. I sent it to sisi without calling her and just a week after Mum called to ask if I sent the money.
Kid sis received alert and used it to do seed to church. Same Christ Embassy.
She claimed I didnt tell her its for WAEC. No p. We forgot about it and mum sent her another 10k.

November 2019: Dad sent 80k to kid sis to upgrade her apartment as per 300l things and the need to live more comfortably and closer to school. She demanded the sum and gave the above reasons.

December 2019: I checked in on her and whined her about her upgrade. I added a sum of money. As usual.

Our uncle checked in with her too with 10k as she claimed so many things need to be purchased.

I checked in with her again and asked about the new house. She said she has paid and I asked her for the receipt. She cooked up a story. Later discovered it was a lie.

January, 2020:
A family member traveled to Uniben and needed a place just for a night. Mum adviced her to lodge with kid sis.
That was where asiri tu. There is no new house.

After a lot of scolding. She confessed to have used the entire money to seed to her church. Christ Embassy.
Her rent was due in 1 month. Which kain wahala.

Afira! Mum landed in Benin next day and went straight to GTB and ordered for sis Bank statement. Armed with that, sis confessed to everything.

Ladies and gentlemen, she has been seeding half of all the money we (we plenty o) have been sending to her since her 100 level.

So I asked her to tell me what the pastor said when they received her 100k+ on the alter and if they did not ask her where the money came from. She said they didn't.

Same day, Mum went to that church. Without army tho. The pastor came out and said the money has gone to God and cannot be refunded.

My uncle adviced mum to use legal action but she disagreed as per we're Christians too and 100k not worth the effort. Esha lo ba de. Also, they change pastors almost yearly and this one doesn't have knowledge of ther seed history in previous years.


So where I am surprised is the level at which a church of God can indoctrinate their member to sow seed by all means. For my kid sis to perform lies, trying to cover up her tracks all in the name of seeding and also ignoring her rent expiration ; shows a terrible flaw in that organisation calling themselves a church.

One day. She was writing exams and called to ask for money. I briefed her of how every church during my school days do share candle, spaghetti, indomie, pen and light foodstuff to members during exams. I asked her why her dear Church doesn't do that. She dismissed the conversation like a JW who was asked about the mansions in heaven.

Finally, she actually sold many of the things in her room and personal items. Including a highend curved LG I got for her from overseas. She sold them to raise funds for seeds.

To me, I feel its like a cult or being under mental influence as she refuse to leave the church after a direct order by all member of the family.

Christians, watch and pray.