elated177:


I am glad you called it your truth. It has nothing to do with the Scripture. What you did was try to bend, twist, hammer and manipulate the Scriptures to make them agree with your truth. The Scripture of YHVH Almighty will always rebuke anyone who tries or does such.

Psalm 24: 1The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. KJV.


Psalm 24:1 The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it,
    the world, and all who live in it; NIV.

Psalm 24:1 speaks the unimpeachable truth. It never said that your so-called "pastor" or "church" will ever take the place of the Creator. That is exactly what you tried to do here.

Who is talking about Pastor taking over lol ? Show me when I said the Pastor is the head or will take over. I never said so and i do not twist my word or implies that a Pastor will take over or suggest or intended, God forbid. The Creator is greatest and we are to worship God. Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church not Pastors. All i said u give to the church , you give to God , i never said when u give to the church is the only way to give to God, And if you do not want to give to the church , then do not give, it is not by force. I The Pastor is under Christ.Anyway we can agree to disagree.

BassReeves:
What are you driving at or trying to say with this comment please?

i will get back to this topic, when I have the chance

cooltola:
Ofcourse Jesus experience the hardship of the world, this is very true. But these are the results of sin , if there was no sin, there will be no homeless, poverty, disease in the first place. Things will be perfect back in the garden of Eden, the results of sin is very visible today. Since Sin came to the world, the earth has been in fallen state ever since. I likened sin as a virus infecting a computer in lame man terms. From sin , death came, then envy, the lust , the shame, pride, glutton, rage , addictions, and many undesirable . The wages of sin is death which is very true. But the consequences of disobeying God is very obvious - you do not need to be a bible scholar or to read your bible to know that world is a fallen state because of sin. Things were perfect until the First man Adam disobey God-

I am not certain what you are talking of here. Sin has been in the world before you and I were born, so your statements regarding when it entered this world changes nothing of what I have said so far on this.

cooltola:
Can I continue?Romans 323-25 [b]for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justifie[/b]d [a]freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed.
[b]Abel sinned , Abraham sinned, and the rest of humanity have sinned. It did not state all have sinned expect Abraham , Abel and so forth. But they are called righteous by God.

I am afraid you are assuming Paul's opinion overwrites what is known. Sin is disobedience to God's commandment, so I am not sure where you find that Abel sinned.
According to God, Abel, Noah, and Abraham did not disobey Him so they did not sin against Him and were instead declared righteous by Him.

cooltola:
According to Jesus Christ, in order to receive the Spirit of God, you must first learn to accept(trust) and obey His teachings/commandments... without that, one will never become worthy of Him, the Spirit of God, in the first place. Please explain

It means that if you want to be righteous, you do as Jesus Christ commands.

cooltola:
I Know Abel is righteous and I am just simply telling you the earth is fallen because of sin. And the good news is Jesus Christ has paid for our sins.
Thank God that you sold all possession and gave to the poor. To God be the glory, God will reward you and will continue to reward you in Jesus Name.

It does not matter whether the world, according to you, is fallen or not. Jesus Christ did not pay for your sins - instead, He redeemed you from death(the wages of Sin), not to be confused with Sin itself. If you want to be free from slavery to sin, you have to obey His commandments.

Kobojunkie:
I am not certain what you are talking of here. Sin has been in the world before you and I were born, so your statements regarding when it entered this world changes nothing of what I have said so far on this.
I am afraid you are assuming Paul's opinion overwrites what is known. Sin is disobedience to God's commandment, so I am not sure where you find that Abel sinned.
According to God, Abel, Noah, and Abraham did not disobey Him so they did not sin against Him and were instead declared righteous by Him.
It means that if you want to be righteous, you do as Jesus Christ commands.
It does not matter whether the world, according to you, is fallen or not. Jesus Christ did not pay for your sins - instead, He redeemed you from death(the wages of Sin), not to be confused with Sin itself. If you want to be free from slavery to sin, you have to obey His commandments.

Paul opinions overwrites. SIr if it is Paul opinions then i guess many of New Testament is Paul opinions The many of the gospel is Paul opinionated beliefs. Well we can agree to disagree.
Sin simply means disobedience and it has been before i was born and you were born-i agree with you.
Obedience is key � obedience is better than sacrifice

cooltola:
Paul opinions overwrites. SIr if it is Paul opinions then i guess many of New Testament is Paul opinions The many of the gospel is Paul opinionated beliefs. Well we can agree to disagree.

Wrong! To claim that Paul's opinion over-writes the Truth of God as stated by Jesus Christ is to claim that Jesus Christ is not who He claims to be, the Truth of God. The Gospels as written in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are separate from the opinions Paul expressed is in his letters to the majorly Jewish community of Christan believers of his time.

Where it concerns the Truth of God as revealed through the teachings of Jesus Christ, your opinion and mine, including that of Pauls, mean nothing. For Jesus Christ is the Law, whether we choose to accept it or not.

cooltola:
Sin simply means disobedience and it has been before i was born and you were born-i agree with you.
Obedience is key � obedience is better than sacrifice

Again, this is not about what I say but what Jesus Christ Himself said to you. He said, only those who obey His commandments, truly belong to Him.... all those who refuse to accept and obey His commandments are of their father, the devil.

Kobojunkie:
Wrong! To claim that Paul's opinion over-writes the Truth of God as stated by Jesus Christ is to claim that Jesus Christ is not who He claims to be, the Truth of God. The Gospels as written in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are separate from the opinions Paul expressed is in his letters to the majorly Jewish community of Christan believers of his time.

Where it concerns the Truth of God as revealed through the teachings of Jesus Christ, your opinion and mine, including that of Pauls, mean nothing. For Jesus Christ is the Law, whether we choose to accept it or not.
Again, this is not about what I say but what Jesus Christ Himself said to you. He said, only those who obey His commandments, truly belong to Him.... all those who refuse to accept and obey His commandments are of their father, the devil.

Well i do not disagree what in the New Testament, all of it is true and including Paul Letters, never had and will never will. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God is not an opinion and It is the pure truth Romans 3:22 if you disgree. All have sinned no exceptions .Then we can disagree to agree.

cooltola:

Well i do not disagree what in the New Testament, all of it is true and including Paul Letters, never had and will never will. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God is not an opinion and It is the pure truth Romans 3:22 if you disgree. All have sinned no exceptions .Then we can disagree to agree.

Jesus Christ rather tells you that it is your choice to continue in sin or to free yourself from slavery to sin , to become a Son of God instead.
If you are comfortable living as a sinner, a slave to sin, it is your choice, according to Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ rather tells you that it is your choice to continue in sin or to free yourself from slavery to sin , to become a Son of God instead.
If you are comfortable living as a sinner, a slave to sin, it is your choice, according to Jesus Christ.

Never said sin or living a sinful life was pleasing to God. Never comfortable either or neverwant to be a slave to sin , I rather obey God . 2 Corinthians 5:21 and this just not give me the license to live a disobedience life to God. Still all have sinned and fallen short of God glory is not an opinion but a fact. And you can read the rest of Roman 3. i rest my case, Jesus is Lord.

cooltola:

Never said sin or living a sinful life was pleasing to God. Never comfortable either or neverwant to be a slave to sin , I rather obey God . 2 Corinthians 5:21 and this just not give me the license to live a disobedience life to God. Still all have sinned and fallen short of God glory is not an opinion but a fact. And you can read the rest of Roman 3. i rest my case, Jesus is Lord.

You are spinning your wheels for nothing. . .

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ rather tells you that it is your choice to continue in sin or to free yourself from slavery to sin , to become a Son of God instead.
If you are comfortable living as a sinner, a slave to sin, it is your choice, according to Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
You are spinning your wheels for nothing. . .

. Ok

cooltola:
i will get back to this topic, when I have the chance

Yes, please do and while you are at it, rephrase 'Why the church is not using your tithe/offering to fund a lavish lifestyle of your pastor, reverend father and so?' so we get the gist of what you are saying with that comment

Kobojunkie:
You are spinning your wheels for nothing. . .

You cannot need pick some of Paul letter inspired by the Holy Spirit and say this is a Paul opinion and that is not Sir. That is an error from you and that is why Christianity is divided . That is why Some cult of christianity exist, some see Paul as a corruptor of the gospel. It is either you believe the whole bible from Genesis to Revelation as a whole or you do not, God words. There are no opinion . Paul was an instrument and servant of the Lord Jesus Christ. It was Jesus that used him and others to spread the gospel through the Holy Spirit.

cooltola:

You cannot need pick some of Paul letter inspired by the Holy Spirit and say this is a Paul opinion and that is not Sir. That is an error from you and that is why Christianity is divided . That is why Some cult of christianity exist, some see Paul as. a corruptor as a gospel. It is either you believe the whole bible from Genesis to revelation as a whole or you do not, God words. There are no opinion . Paul was an instrument and servant of the Lord Jesus Christ. It was Jesus that used him and others to spread the gospel through the Holy Spirit.

Actually, your cults exists because many of you have made gospel out of the views expressed by Paul of issues concerning the people around him at the time, words expressed to an audience of primarily Jewish Christian's of which you are mostly not.

The reason I focus on the teachings of Jesus Christ as any one who is a follower of Jesus Christ would are manifold but the main is Jesus Christ is the Truth of God and any other teachings are to be brought subject to the teachings of the Word of God. Any Gospel that is different in any way or form from the very Gospel of the Kingdom of God as handed down by Jesus Christ is not of Him.

Cooltola, just two questions:

--- why did you open this thread?

--- who is your target audience?

[quote author=elated177 post=100292562]Cooltola, just two questions:

--- why did you open this thread?

--- who is your target audience?

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To spread the gospel of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I am also open to corrections as long it is based on the Bible. Anything doctines away from the Bible, i will reject immediately . Since i come to nairaland, if God put something in my heart. I will share the Truth.

The Bible is from Genesis to Revelation in which there are no opinions, addictions and subtractions. If it was so then it will not be in the Bible.

Anyone , to be the Fisher of Men as Christ want us to be. To God be to the Glory

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What is the Gospel?


You said people should give to God, which people do you mean?

What does it mean to give to God?

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What is the Gospel? Gospel is about Jesus Christ. To spread the good news that Messiah has come, and free gift of eternal life is in Jesus Christ. The gospel is about Jesus Christ in whom the God the Father is well pleased .


You said people should give to God, which people do you mean? Believers of Jesus Christ who have accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour.

What does it mean to give to God? Give God your best. It could be your money, resources,time, services, talents, labor , skills and so on many ways and rely on the Holy Spirit for guidance. If you love me , you will keep my commandments say the Lord. For example, you do not have money but you happened to be a good drummer e.g you can volunteer your skill praising God in church service free of charge. Offer God your best. You can give to someone in need also. You happened to be strong and your new neighbor need help moving in to the compound.you can help me.

Now i know the church has a bad rep nowadays. Are pastors perfect? Certainly not, but they are leaders who need to prayed for, encouraged and to be corrected if they sin. Was King David perfect? Certain not but God called him a man after his heart . Are Christians perfect? No we are Human who needs God help and who need the Holy Spirit guidance at all time.

Why should i pay tithe and offering? Give to Cesear unto Ceasar and give to God unto God. The money that u give should be done cheerful , not reluntantly or under pressure. If it is not in one heart not to give , please do not give. Money from tithes and offerings support salary for church staff, pay utility bills e.g electricity, support Missionaries works that spread the gospel , feed the orphans, needy , build hospitals and so many Kingdom related that promote Christ. There are many positive works that church support that one do not hear about.

If not for Jesus Christ, i will not be alive.

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Take your brainwashing to the next person.

At the end of the day, it is about the money.

If you want people to give you money, just beg them for it. Stop using the Scriptures to milk them of their resources. The "church" arrangement you have and operate is not of Yahushua the Messiah.

elated177:


Take your brainwashing to the next person.

At the end of the day, it is about the money.

If you want people to give you money, just beg them for it. Stop using the Scriptures to milk them of their resources. The "church" arrangement you have and operate is not of Yahushua the Messiah.

Ok thank you for sharing

10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 1 Timothy 6:10 KJV

BassReeves:
Yes, please do and while you are at it, rephrase 'Why the church is not using your tithe/offering to fund a lavish lifestyle of your pastor, reverend father and so?' so we get the gist of what you are saying with that comment

Giving is not by force. No one is forcing anyone to give or pressuring anyone to give. Giving should be cheerfully, it is not by force to give
Tithe” simply means a tenth. In the Bible, God commands His people to bring 10 percent of their gross income back to the church (Malachi 3:6-10). We often respond to the idea of tithing in various ways:

“What?! I can’t afford it!”
“Isn’t that tithe thing old school?”
“People don’t really do that, do they?”
“The Bible says it, so I do it.”

Where Does Tithing Come From?
God instituted tithing as a way to worship Him, to protect our hearts from greed, and to support the work of the church.

One of the first examples of a tithe happens when Abram gives a tenth of his gain to Melchizedek, a priest of God (Genesis 14:17-20). Sharing a tenth of the spoils of war was a common way to pay tribute to the gods after a victory. By giving Melchizedek a tenth, Abraham was giving God credit for his success.

Later, as God was establishing Abraham’s descendants as His people, God told Moses and the Israelites that, “A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord; it is holy to the Lord” (Leviticus 27:30).

The tithes the people brought to the Lord supported the work of the church, cared for the poor, and helped the Gospel spread to communities around the world.

Isn't Tithing an Old Testament Command?
Tithing is an Old Testament and New Testament principle. The first tithe between Abram and Melchizedek happened before God gave His people the law. Tithing was then outlined specifically in the laws God gave His people and affirmed by Jesus during His time on Earth.

When Jesus taught on tithing, He always challenged people to take their obedience one step further and consider whether they were doing the right thing with the right heart.

For example, Jesus affirms the religious leaders for tithing, but criticizes them for neglecting their responsibility to act justly, merci- fully, and faithfully (Matthew 23:23). Another time, while at the temple with the disciples, Jesus watches everyone giving their tithes and calls special attention to a widow because her offering, while small, was given sacrificially instead of thoughtlessly (Luke 21:1-4).

What Happens When We Obey God and Commit to Tithing
1. We demonstrate obedience, and God always blesses obedience.
God wants our obedience more than our loving words, and Jesus said obeying God’s commands is how we show God that we love Him (John 14:15). God specifically promises to reward our obedience in tithing. In Malachi 3, God rebukes his people for neglecting the tithe. Then, He is- sues this challenge: “Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it” (Malachi 3:10).

When we’re obedient with what we have, we show God that we love Him and that He can trust us with more (Luke 16:10).

2. We get to partner with God in ministry.
God does not need our money. He owns everything and can do anything.

In Psalm 50:7, 9–12, God reminds us, “I am God, your God... I have no need of a bull from your stall or of goats from your pens, for every animal of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills. I know every bird in the mountains, and the insects in the fields are mine. If I were hungry I would not tell you, for the world is mine, and all that is in it.”

When God commands us to bring the tithe to the local church, He is engaging us in His work on Earth. God doesn’t have to work through us, but He chooses to (1 Corinthians 16:2).

3. We put money in its place.

SouRE - nEWSPRING ANSWER- tHIS Summarizied my article

Now it is good to give to God , God has also blessed you with wealth, good health , protections and so on. But how to be a good steward of what God has given to you is key. When God gives you , God wants you to be a good steward on what he has given you. Be a good steward is to utilize what God has given you. If you read the parable of talents in Matthew 25: 14-30

The Parable of the Talents
14 “For it is like a man going on a journey, who summoned his slaves[a] and entrusted his property to them. 15 To[b] one he gave five talents,[c] to another two, and to another one, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16 The one who had received five talents went off right away and put his money to work[d] and gained five more. 17 In the same way, the one who had two gained two more. 18 But the one who had received one talent went out and dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money in it. 19 After[e] a long time, the master of those slaves came and settled his accounts with them. 20 The[f] one who had received the five talents came and brought five more, saying, ‘Sir,[g] you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.’ 21 His master answered,[h] ‘Well done, good and faithful slave! You have been faithful in a few things. I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 22 The[i] one with the two talents also came and said, ‘Sir, you entrusted two talents to me. See, I have gained two more.’ 23 His master answered, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave! You have been faithful with a few things. I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 24 Then the one who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Sir, I knew that you were a hard man, harvesting where you did not sow, and gathering where you did not scatter seed, 25 so[j] I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered,[k] ‘Evil and lazy slave! So you knew that I harvest where I didn’t sow and gather where I didn’t scatter? 27 Then you should have deposited my money with the bankers,[l] and on my return I would have received my money back with interest![m] 28 Therefore take the talent from him and give it to the one who has ten.[n] 29 For the one who has will be given more,[o] and he will have more than enough. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken from him.[p] 30 And throw that worthless slave into the outer darkness,[q] where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

How to utilize what God has given to you? You need to rely on Holy Spirit for directions and ask for God for help if you do not how manage what God has given you. If you need wisdom, ask our generous God, and he will give it to you. He will not rebuke you for asking. James 1:5vYou need to be yielding to the Holy Spirit and be obedient in the little you have. You should save your money no matter how little you have and avoid spending your money on meaningless things that will yield no returns in the future. It is not good for a man to work and squander his wealth because He or she does not know how to manage of money. You are going to be old and retired by the Grace of God . To be old meanings one has to find save or management their money properly during in the working years of his or her life. Money management is key, If you read the parable of the talent, you can see the first and second slaves put their master talent to work and brought back returns to their master, the last slave reap what he sow.

Invest your money into something tangible and will give returns in the long run.