HellVictorinho:

Just go ahead and accuse him of not understanding English!!!!
That's your talent.

I do know he understands English and he is definitely not lazy like you or he would not have been able to use his well developed mind to post an intelligent well thought out op like this.

FatherOfJesus:
Most religions of the world see science as a threat to their faith. Science depends on observation, data, asking questions, not assuming the answers in advance. So we test, we test again. Hypotheses that fail the tests wind up discarded. If we disprove an idea, we leave it behind. But this cannot be said about religion.

Science does not have an anti-God bias. Remember, science depends on observation. Can one observe God? No. Furthermore, the Scriptures themselves demonstrate that God works in arbitrary and sometimes contrary ways, almost as if to frustrate the attempt to find him and understand him, this is one of the measures religion take to manipulate narratives to justify their conclusion. Since science can’t find any evidence of God to study, and everything we do study appears (evidence!) to have natural causes and to be natural phenomenon, God simply cannot be a part of any hypothesis or any conclusion.

Nor is science “pro-evolution.” Evolution is “change over time.” Populations change. Science studies those changes. It can’t deny that change has happened, because that is what the evidence clearly says. It isn’t a “bias” to accept that things change, including populations of organisms. We see it in the laboratory. We see it in the fossil record. We see it in farming techniques. We see it in the genetic records. It would be a “bias” to deny it.

What your religious teachers are trying to do to you is to make you come to your conclusions first, then try to find evidence that supports it later. If you can’t find evidence that supports your conclusions, then you make stuff up, or lie about the evidence, lie about the science, lie about the scientists, lie about your own credentials. Creationists — especially the ones writing the books, collecting your money — lie. It is their livelihood. They literally make a good living by lying.

I’m someone who likes to see evidence in all ramifications without special pleading for the existence of a god. If god has to exist then there must be a testable way to measure that and that’s why I would always tilt toward atheism and believe science most of the times. If a structure that follows evidence like science makes you uncomfortable, it means there’s something wrong with your belief system and you are trying very hard to cling to it.

LordReed:


What is to be gleaned from a mix of half truths, hyperbolic tales, allegories and truths? Is that not a formula for confusion?

The only stuff that I think are Hyperbolic are the numbers and those are for numerological reasons.

Yes the Jews (or a significant portion of their ancestral near east component) surgeoned in Egypt for a long while.

LordReed:


What is to be gleaned from a mix of half truths, hyperbolic tales, allegories and truths? Is that not a formula for confusion?

A [url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+4%3B1-24&version=NIV]formula for confusing some[/url]. For as is written:

10 When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12 so that, “‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’” 13 Then Jesus said to them, “Don’t you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable?

While for some, it makes ask and seek and knock with all their souls and minds and beings in order to gain an understanding.

Perhaps consider what seems like the "mix of half truths, hyperbolic tales, allegories and truths" to you, as the cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life on the east side of the Garden of Eden so the underserving may not pick of its fruit and refuse to die.

budaatum:


A [url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+4%3B1-24&version=NIV]formula for confusing some[/url]. For as is written:

10 When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12 so that, “‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’” 13 Then Jesus said to them, “Don’t you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable?

While for some, it makes ask and seek and knock with all their souls and minds and beings in order to gain an understanding.

Perhaps consider what seems like the "mix of half truths, hyperbolic tales, allegories and truths" to you, as the cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life on the east side of the Garden of Eden so the underserving may not pick of its fruit and refuse to die.

LoL! The question was partly to draw your attention. Still hoping for guide from the holy spirit, so that the Cherubs and flaming sword can be dispelled.

Pecuman:


The only stuff that I think are Hyperbolic are the numbers and those are for numerological reasons.

Yes the Jews (or a significant portion of their ancestral near east component) surgeoned in Egypt for a long while.

Where is the evidence for this?

LordReed:


LoL! The question was partly to draw your attention. Still hoping for guide from the holy spirit, so that the Cherubs and flaming sword can be dispelled.

Meaning
A well developed critical mind informed with eyes (senses) that see (work).

One must detheistise, as in, become as a child, to see things anew - a project we agree you have undertaken, my Lord.

budaatum:


Meaning
A well developed critical mind informed with eyes (senses) that see (work).

One must detheistise, as in, become as a child, to see things anew - a project we agree you have undertaken, my Lord.

I have my dear buda. I still need the mud and the pool.

LordReed:


I have my dear buda. I still need the mud and the pool.

Now we definitely have a challenge on our hands because I can not at the moment define or dejunkify the pool and the mud. It's like you hit my ignorance point so I must now seek and knock and ask with all my heart and soul and mind and being until an answer is found.

I have opened a thread to remind us. We must not be surprised if others populate it.

What is the mud and the pool?

budaatum:


I do know he understands English and he is definitely not lazy like you or he would not have been able to use his well developed mind to post an intelligent well thought out op like this.

You are so lazy that you keep making no point.
Accusations with no proof don't make any point.

budaatum:


A [url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+4%3B1-24&version=NIV]formula for confusing some[/url]. For as is written:

10 When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12 so that, “‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’” 13 Then Jesus said to them, “Don’t you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable?

While for some, it makes ask and seek and knock with all their souls and minds and beings in order to gain an understanding.

Perhaps consider what seems like the "mix of half truths, hyperbolic tales, allegories and truths" to you, as the cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life on the east side of the Garden of Eden so the underserving may not pick of its fruit and refuse to die.

This is a waste of time.

LordReed:


I have my dear buda. I still need the mud and the pool.

Why can't you use your brain to do your stuff?
Must you agree with budaatum?

HellVictorinho:

Why can't you use your brain to do your stuff?
Must you agree with budaatum?

Because he is right. Do you condemn the stories of tortoise and hare and other fairytales?

LordReed:


Because he is right. Do you condemn the stories of tortoise and hare and other fairytales?

He's wrong.
Should you accuse people of not understanding fairytales

HellVictorinho:

He's wrong.
Should you accuse people of not understanding fairytales

Go ask him why he said what he said not me.

LordReed:


Go ask him why he said what he said not me.

I am not happy to speak to you like this.
I am actually sad concerning what budaatum did to you.
Budaatum should be condemned for this.

HellVictorinho:

I am not happy to speak to you like this.
I am actually sad concerning what budaatum did to you.
Budaatum should be condemned for this.

Budaatum has done nothing to me, just stop this.

LordReed:


Budaatum has done nothing to me,......

Liar!

budaatum:


Liar!

LMAO! You've done nothing I didn't do to myself.

LordReed:


LMAO! You've done nothing I didn't do to myself.

That's true, actually.

LordReed:


Budaatum has done nothing to me, just stop this.

You are not aware of what he has done.

budaatum:


That's true, actually.

You have shown you shouldn't be trusted.

HellVictorinho:


You have shown you shouldn't be trusted.

Good. Now you can start trusting yourself.

budaatum:


Good. Now you can start trusting yourself.

Keep accusing people towards that which you wouldn't like to be accused of.
Jesus is proud of your false accusations and the denial of such accusations since it shows the corruption in your heart.
Accusing Hell falsely of trolling is your latest achievement.
May your children/grandchildren inherit such things from you.

FatherOfJesus:
Ieven at that, a virgin will have to give birth via caeserean section because they birth canal will be too tight

Says who?
not necessarily

LordReed:


Where is the evidence for this?

Just how common numerology was in the ancient middle east in general and obvious numerology references in the numbers used in the Bible.

216
7
12
120
5
144

Etc.

It isn't always numerology but in a plurality of occurances, it is.

Pecuman:


Just how common numerology was in the ancient middle east in general and obvious numerology references in the numbers used in the Bible.

216
7
12
120
5
144

Etc.

It isn't always numerology but in a plurality of occurances, it is.

Do you realise how frequently these numbers appear in computing? I don't see how they prove something supernatural or even unusual.

LordReed:


Do you realise how frequently these numbers appear in computing? I don't see how they prove something supernatural or even unusual.

But those are computers not history. You don't expect these numbers to appear in significant frequency randomly in History.

Numerology is any belief in the divine or mystical relationship between a number and one or more coinciding events. The appearance of these numbers don't necessarily mean something supernatural happened in the event it is talking about but it could mean the author is trying to communicate ideas thru Jewish numerology.

Like 7, 12 and 144 are all related to perfection and completion in Jewish numerology so using or emphasizing these numbers or their multiples might not necessarily be communicating hard numbers but communicating a range of numbers and an event or people considered to be perfect or complete, like those numbers are.

HellVictorinho:


Keep accusing people towards that which you wouldn't like to be accused of.
Jesus is proud of your false accusations and the denial of such accusations since it shows the corruption in your heart.
Accusing Hell falsely of trolling is your latest achievement.
May your children/grandchildren inherit such things from you.

You are obviously a very badly-constructed troll since you are mostly unable to provoke irate or confuse responses from buda.

Are you not trolling buda, or do you just not know the meaning of troll and are too lazy as usual to check so you learn?

Pecuman:


But those are computers not history. You don't expect these numbers to appear in significant frequency randomly in History.

Numerology is any belief in the divine or mystical relationship between a number and one or more coinciding events. The appearance of these numbers don't necessarily mean something supernatural happened in the event it is talking about but it could mean the author is trying to communicate ideas thru Jewish numerology.

Like 7, 12 and 144 are all related to perfection and completion in Jewish numerology so using or emphasizing these numbers or their multiples might not necessarily be communicating hard numbers but communicating a range of numbers and an event or people considered to be perfect or complete, like those numbers are.

In other words what I am asking you is, what convinces you that there is a divine relationship in the numbers you are referring to, that is not in the same numbers when used in computing?

budaatum:

You are obviously a very badly-constructed troll since you are mostly unable to provoke irate or confuse responses from buda.

Are you not trolling buda, or do you just not know the meaning of troll and are too lazy as usual to check so you learn?

Your talent remains false accusations.
There's no word in the dictionary that you can use to change that.

HellVictorinho:


Your talent remains false accusations.
There's no word in the dictionary that you can use to change that.

Good morning my troll. Did you sleep well? How is our very hard working mother? Greet her for me please.

budaatum:


Good morning my troll. Did you sleep well? How is our very hard working mother? Greet her for me please.

This doesn't make sense.