Question: What is Easter

Me: according to what i've heard, someone/ something/ some force somewhere called god felt humans have offended him/her/it so greatly, so he gave them his son to kill so that he/ she/ it will forgive them.

An interesting story!!!

Stop stressing yourself too much as if we care. Stay away from the celebration if you don't believe

eomajeh:
Question: What is Easter

Me: according to what i've heard, someone/ something/ some force somewhere called god felt humans have offended him/her/it so greatly, so he gave them his son to kill so that he/ she/ it will forgive them.

An interesting story!!!

That is not True but as you said it is your own make-believe!

When it is An "YOU OFFENDED ME GREATLY! MY SON, GO WARN THEM LEST I POUR MY ANGER ON THEM!

AND THE PEOPLE MURDERED THE SON!

Ho! They are gonnas

Every attempt to use man didn’t work so he came to do it himself. As the maxim goes, if you want anything done perfectly do it yourself.

achanyaene:
Every attempt to use man didn’t work so he came to do it himself. As the maxim goes, if you want anything done perfectly do it yourself.

Or if you want to Catch a person committing an offence, going undercover is a good idea!

eomajeh:
Question: What is Easter

Me: according to what i've heard, someone/ something/ some force somewhere called god felt humans have offended him/her/it so greatly, so he gave them his son to kill so that he/ she/ it will forgive them.

An interesting story!!!

You heard wrong.

GeneralDae:

You heard wrong.

But that is the general consensus..God sent his son to die, because man commits sin..
I dont see any where it says so in the old testament. I really dont know where the romans/greeks got the idea from.

The jewish idea is that there is only one power or God in the universe, who was responsible for both good and evil. Isaiah 45:1-7..The jews just like everyone understands the concept of the singularity of a dual concept. I really dont know why the romans elevated the devil to a dual opposite of God. Making him independent and having a will of his own outside the will of God. I find this a big insult..

I guess when christianity is really traced, the deceiver will really be at the centre of it...(for those who want further research, Inanna is the deceiver).

sonmvayina:


But that is the general consensus..God sent his son to die, because man commits sin..
I dont see any where it says so in the old testament. I really dont know where the romans/greeks got the idea from.

The jewish idea is that there is only one power or God in the universe, who was responsible for both good and evil. Isaiah 45:1-7..The jews just like everyone understands the concept of the singularity of a dual concept. I really dont know why the romans elevated the devil to a dual opposite of God. Making him independent and having a will of his own outside the will of God. I find this a big insult..

I guess when christianity is really traced, the deceiver will really be at the centre of it...(for those who want further research, Inanna is the deceiver).

But that is not what the Christian bible says. Jesus already told us that if someone sins and needs God's forgiveness, all he has to do is to forgive those who offends him/her and then repent. The only place Jesus spoke of a sacrifice for sin was with respect to the Holy Communion as a new passover meal to commemorate his death. In celebrating the passover, the disciples were to feel positive about his death as the sign for the ushering in of a new covenant and the forgiveness of sins. It is more in relation to the passover story involving deliverance of Isreal.

The jewish Idea in the first century was not a single idea. Besides there was no Judaism ( as a religon) in the first century. There were various sects such as the Pharisees, Saducees, Essens, Zealots, and they all had varying beliefs. There were the Apocryphals, book of Enoch , and several jewish books that borrowed from Persian and Babylonian religions such as Zoorastianism and the likes. Zoorastians ( not sure I spelt that right) believed in dualism with stuff like Satan and Hellfire. These concepts were later used to interprete and translate the Christian bible, but the jesus of the first century shared almost similar beliefs or close beliefs to that of the Essens and Pharisees.

GeneralDae:

But that is not what the Christian bible says. Jesus already told us that if someone sins and needs God's forgiveness, all he has to do is to forgive those who offends him/her and then repent. The only place Jesus spoke of a sacrifice for sin was with respect to the Holy Communion as a new passover meal to commemorate his death. In celebrating the passover, the disciples were to feel positive about his death as the sign for the ushering in of a new covenant and the forgiveness of sins. It is more in relation to the passover story involving deliverance of Isreal.

The jewish Idea in the first century was not a single idea. Besides there was no Judaism ( as a religon) in the first century. There were various sects such as the Pharisees, Saducees, Essens, Zealots, and they all had varying beliefs. There were the Apocryphals, book of Enoch , and several jewish books that borrowed from Persian and Babylonian religions such as Zoorastianism and the likes. Zoorastians ( not sure I spelt that right) believed in dualism with stuff like Satan and Hellfire. These concepts were later used to interprete and translate the Christian bible, but the jesus of the first century shared almost similar beliefs or close beliefs to that of the Essens and Pharisees.

Judaism as the national religion of the jews existed as early as 600 BCE
THE jews believed and referenced in the creator of all. They did acknowledged the existence of other gods. But they maintained that these gods are all subjects of the creator. Just like the yorubas who refer to them as orishas. They simply refers to the personification of the laws and principles of life. (Spiritual principles)
That is a creator God with varrious aspects. But the commandments is not to go through any of them to get to him as the orishas or gods where demanding human sacrifice. Just like Nigerians going through Ministers to get to Buhari.

My guess is that the developers of the christian ideology where much influenced by Zoroastrianism. They believed in two Gods. Ahura Mazda and Ahura Minahu...or something like that. That was the only way they could sell the idea of a saviour to the ignorant masses. Create the problem, sell people the solution..

achanyaene:
Every attempt to use man didn’t work so he came to do it himself. As the maxim goes, if you want anything done perfectly do it yourself.

That is not the case though.

He came for a different mission.. a New Contract, Law for a Kingdom not of this world. Who best to bring such than one who is Himself not of this world?

eomajeh:
Question: What is Easter

Me: according to what i've heard, someone/ something/ some force somewhere called god felt humans have offended him/her/it so greatly, so he gave them his son to kill so that he/ she/ it will forgive them.

An interesting story!!!

That is the story told in popular doctrines of Christianity but not the scriptural story there in the Bible.

sonmvayina:


But that is the general consensus..God sent his son to die, because man commits sin..
I dont see any where it says so in the old testament. I really dont know where the romans/greeks got the idea from.

The jewish idea is that there is only one power or God in the universe, who was responsible for both good and evil. Isaiah 45:1-7..The jews just like everyone understands the concept of the singularity of a dual concept. I really dont know why the romans elevated the devil to a dual opposite of God. Making him independent and having a will of his own outside the will of God. I find this a big insult..

I guess when christianity is really traced, the deceiver will really be at the centre of it...(for those who want further research, Inanna is the deceiver).

Here's a clue. The only way to fulfill the Old Covenant requirement was to attain righteousness and then die afterwards , a righteous man.

Well, Jesus Christ fulfilled the requirements of the Old Covenant Law - He died a righteous sinless man so that all those of the blood of Jacob, who were still sinners
and would would leave the Old way for the New path He had for came to bring would be imparted with His Righteousness and His Death, bringing to an end the hold of the Old Law on them, at the same time maintaining there place in the promise of the Old Covenant while they seek the New Covenant promises instead.

Jesus Christ's death was what I call inevitable and necessary for 2 good reasons. First, most every other prophet before Him was murdered. John the Baptist, the last of them and all He did was preach repentance to a sinful woman to get his head lobbed off. So Jesus Christ came ready to die at the hands of the same thugs. I mean He came in the name of God preaching a departure from the Old way - some would say He was begging to be killed.

Second, in order for His mission to the lost sheep of Israel to be made complete, He had to die. The fulfillment of the Old Covenant made that necessary so that through His death, the lost of Sheep of Israel can gain victory over the Old Covenant as they are ushered into a New one with God. So, for the sake of the Lost Sheep, Jesus Christ needed to die.

Third, for His New Covenant to apply to those of other nations -the gentiles, born dead to the Law by God's design. He had to rise from the dead. This was so that through His resurrection, He imparts the Life that He is to those previously condemned to death since Adam by God's judgment against those who do not know oe believe in Him. In So, For the sake of the Nations, Jesus Christ had to die. So He came knowing and prepared to die.

Jesus Christ had to die so that He could live instead through His followers. They become His body and force by which His work to to continue from generation to generation, all of them of course, driven by Him through submission and obedience to the Law of God.

His blood - the blood of the Covenant - was shed for the forgiveness of the sins of those who belong in His New Covenant. Pretty much since it was to be shed anyways, why not. After all He was a sinless man ...God's own avatar, the Law, and the King Himself in the Kingdom of God so His blood was perfect for the job.

So, in a sense, He died for the sinners, those of the blood of Jacob - He came to call the sinners and not the righteous among them. Though they come to Him, the New Covenant, as Old Law sinners, through impartation of His own Righteousness and His own Death upon them, they are made righteous where the old Law is concerned and dead to it, but give His Life in the New Covenant.

So it has nothing to do with blood sacrifices or human ones as you imagine on altars and what not. His sacrifice is of a different kind entirely.

Kobojunkiee:
Here's a clue. The only way to fulfill the Old Covenant requirement was to attain righteousness and then die afterwards , a righteous man.

Well, Jesus Christ fulfilled the requirements of the Old Covenant Law - He died a righteous sinless man so that all those of the blood of Jacob, who were still sinners
and would would leave the Old way for the New path He had for came to bring would be imparted with His Righteousness and His Death, bringing to an end the hold of the Old Law on them, at the same time maintaining there place in the promise of the Old Covenant while they seek the New Covenant promises instead.

Jesus Christ's death was what I call inevitable and necessary for 2 good reasons. First, most every other prophet before Him was murdered. John the Baptist, the last of them and all He did was preach repentance to a sinful woman to get his head lobbed off. So Jesus Christ came ready to die at the hands of the same thugs. I mean He came in the name of God preaching a departure from the Old way - some would say He was begging to be killed.

Second, in order for His mission to the lost sheep of Israel to be made complete, He had to die. The fulfillment of the Old Covenant made that necessary so that through His death, the lost of Sheep of Israel can gain victory over the Old Covenant as they are ushered into a New one with God. So, for the sake of the Lost Sheep, Jesus Christ needed to die.

Third, for His New Covenant to apply to those of other nations -the gentiles, born dead to the Law by God's design. He had to rise from the dead. This was so that through His resurrection, He imparts the Life that He is to those previously condemned to death since Adam by God's judgment against those who do not know oe believe in Him. In So, For the sake of the Nations, Jesus Christ had to die. So He came knowing and prepared to die.

Jesus Christ had to die so that He could live instead through His followers. They become His body and force by which His work to to continue from generation to generation, all of them of course, driven by Him through submission and obedience to the Law of God.

His blood - the blood of the Covenant - was shed for the forgiveness of the sins of those who belong in His New Covenant. Pretty much since it was to be shed anyways, why not. After all He was a sinless man ...God's own avatar, the Law, and the King Himself in the Kingdom of God so His blood was perfect for the job.

So, in a sense, He died for the sinners, those of the blood of Jacob - He came to call the sinners and not the righteous among them. Though they come to Him, the New Covenant, as Old Law sinners, through impartation of His own Righteousness and His own Death upon them, they are made righteous where the old Law is concerned and dead to it, but give His Life in the New Covenant.

So it has nothing to do with blood sacrifices or human ones as you imagine on altars and what not. His sacrifice is of a different kind entirely.

You are still going to ask them...why dont you do it now..

sonmvayina:

You are still going to ask them...why dont you do it now..

Who am I asking what?

Zechariah spoke of Jesus Christ and so did many of the so called lesser prophets. You don't even realize that that verse you quoted there points to the time of Jesus Christ, do you?

Use your head...Were the apostles not Jews that many non Jews came to ask of God from?

Nowhere in Zechariah did the prophet declare that God changed His mind about His Old Covenant that non Jews will suddenly be allowed, without an edict from God Himself, into His fold(people of Israel).

Kobojunkiee:
Zehcariah spoke of Jesus Christ and so did many of the so called lesser prophets. You don't even realize that that verse you quoted there points to the time of Jesus Christ, do you?

Use your head...Were the apostles not Jews that many non Jews came to ask of God from?

Nowhere in Zechariah did He declare that God changed His mind about His Old Old Covenant that no Jews will suddenly be allowed, without an edict from God Himself, into His fold(people of Israel).

Jesus was created by the romans...has got nothing to do with God or the jews...

sonmvayina:

Jesus was created by the romans...has got nothing to do with God or the jews...

The Romans who you think created Jesus Christ did not since they also rejected Him - history tells us they never really did accept Jesus Christ either.

So how come rejected by the Jews and the Romans, Jesus still lives?

By the way, who was I supposed to ask what now?

sonmvayina:

You are still going to ask them...why dont you do it now..

Realize this, God is not a fool! Read Ezekiel 18 for an example of How God goes about changing His mind, and this is in the case of just one law in His Covenant.

Now imagine what God changing His mind about those who can be a part of His agreement would read like.

God is not an idiot that He would rectify a whole contract simply in one "suggestive" statement through His Prophet. If you know Him, you would know this of Him.

Kobojunkiee:
Realize this, God is not a fool! Read Ezekiel 18 for an example of How God goes about changing His mind, and this is in the case of just one law in His Covenant.

Now imagine what God changing His mind about those who can be a part of His agreement would read like.

God is not an idiot that He would rectify a whole contract simply in one "suggestive" statement through His Prophet. If you know Him, you would know this of Him.

Do you really read what you type and try and make sense of it before you click submit?

I sincerely doubt it...

Meeeen, that your drugs dey do you shege??

Change am abeg..

sonmvayina:
Do you really read what you type and try and make sense of it before you click submit?
I sincerely doubt it...
Meeeen, that your drugs dey do you shege??
Change am abeg..

Why not go into detail about it is you believe I got wrong instead?

Kobojunkiee:
The Romans who you think created Jesus Christ did not since they also rejected Him - history tells us they never really did accept Jesus Christ either.

So how come rejected by the Jews and the Romans, Jesus still lives?

By the way, who was I supposed to ask what now?

Dont be daft...consult real history...not the one the people who created him are saying.. Listen to what pope leo the 10th has to say.

sonmvayina:
Dont be daft...consult real history...not the one the people who created him are saying.. Listen to what pope leo the 10th has to say.

I didn't take you that can be easily deceived by the fake items available on the internet... many of which a quick search of the same internet would reveal as false
https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/30416/did-pope-leo-x-say-that-christianity-is-a-fable

As to Roman's creating Jesus Christ, well, if you had bothered to read the accounts in the Bible of Jesus Christ, and compared it to the idea of Jesus Christ that the Roman church supposedly worships, you will find that they are completely different in all ways, confirming what I said to you earlier that the Roman's rejected the Jesus Christ, the one spoken of in scripture.

Kobojunkiee:
Why not go into detail about it is you believe I got wrong instead?

So what have i been saying all along. Well let me oblige you.. From the beginning God created man from the dust of the earth and blew into his nostrils the breadth of life and man became a living being. Man is dust of earth and breadth of God. (Death is just back to default) breadth back to God and body back to dust. It is God who created us with the ability to make choices. He only gave us lawsto keep to make our life more enjoyable and fruitful. The same laws he gave all mankind. The jews developed it and built stories round it. The same God they call Hashem is the same God Igbos call Chukwu is the same God yorubas call Eledumare. He is the creator of the universe, They rightly told you in numbers 23:19 that God is not a man or a human being. Chukwu is not a human being. It is the personification of the totality of the conciouseness of the universe. ...The universe is governed by laws and principles . the personification of the laws and principle is what the yorubas call orishas and the bible calls Angels or sons of God.
God already told us all through the old testament that he will forgive us if we sincerely repent. "A contrite hearth you will not spurn"... No human sacrifice no need for jesus. Anybody coming to change Gods laws should be killed. Or exocised from the community...

It was Emperior constantine who wanted a single religion for his empire that gathered all the diffwewnt religious leaders to Nicea and after arguing for almost two years they finally created the jesus character as their God..

sonmvayina:
So what have i been saying all along. Well let me oblige you.. From the beginning God created man from the dust of the earth and blew into his nostrils the breadth of life and man became a living being. Man is dust of earth and breadth of God. (Death is just back to default) breadth back to God and body back to dust. It is God who created us with the ability to make choices. He only gave us lawsto keep to make our life more enjoyable and fruitful. The same laws he gave all mankind.

God established a Law in the beginning which He may have given to all of mankind, but we are no privy to all of the details of this Law. However, we also know that the same God mades separate Laws with peoples... Noah, and then Abraham, for example, and eventually the Children of Israel.
So, there is the Law that applies to all of mankind, and then the Laws that apply to specific cases and peoples even.

sonmvayina:
The jews developed it and built stories round it. The same God they call Hashem is the same God Igbos call Chukwu is the same God yorubas call Eledumare. He is the creator of the universe, They rightly told you in numbers 23:19 that God is not a man or a human being. Chukwu is not a human being. It is the personification of the totality of the conciouseness of the universe. ...The universe is governed by laws and principles . the personification of the laws and principle is what the yorubas call orishas and the bible calls Angels or sons of God.
God already told us all through the old testament that he will forgive us if we sincerely repent. "A contrite hearth you will not spurn"... No human sacrifice no need for jesus. Anybody coming to change Gods laws should be killed. Or exocised from the community...

God gave a Specific Law to the Children of Israel.. and the details of that Law is expressed beginning in the book of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy- All comprise the Law/Covenant/agreement of Moses, given by God specifically to those of the blood of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Deuteronomy 30 vs 15-20 (ERV)
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15. “Today I have given you a choice between life and death, success and disaster.
16. I command you today to love the Lord your God. I command you to follow him and to obey his commands, laws, and rules. Then you will live, and your nation will grow larger. And the Lord your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take for your own.
17. But if you turn away from your God and refuse to listen, if you are led away to worship and serve other gods,
18. you will be destroyed. I am warning you today, if you turn away from God, you will not live long in that land across the Jordan River that you are ready to enter and take for your own.

19. “Today I am giving you a choice of two ways. And I ask heaven and earth to be witnesses of your choice. You can choose life or death. The first choice will bring a blessing. The other choice will bring a curse. So choose life! Then you and your children will live.
20. You must love the Lord your God and obey him. Never leave him, because he is your life. And he will give you a long life in the land that he, the Lord, promised to give to your ancestors—Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”

Note that even the other direct descendants of Abraham, and his other descendants, Isaac and his other descendant were and are not covered in that agreement either - they are gentiles as far as that Law/Covenant/agreement is concerned.

Leviticus 24 vs 7-20 (ERV)
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7. Put pure frankincense on each row. This will help the Lord remember the gift.
8. Every Sabbath day Aaron will put the bread in order before the Lord. This must be done forever. This agreement with the Israelites will continue forever.
9. That bread will belong to Aaron and his sons. They will eat the bread in a holy place, because that bread is one of the special gifts to the Lord. It is Aaron’s share forever.”

Throughout the books the record of the Old Covenant Law of Moses, God drops hint after hint, to make it clear that the agreement He was making was specifically between Him and the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and that the agreement was an eternal one with them too.

Leviticus 26 vs 41- (ERV)
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41. Maybe they will admit that I turned against them and brought them into the land of their enemies. These people will be like strangers to me. But maybe they will become humble[a] and accept the punishment for their sin.
42. If they do, I will remember my agreement with Jacob. I will remember my agreement with Isaac. I will remember my agreement with Abraham, and I will remember the land.

43. “The land will be empty. The land will enjoy its time of rest. Then the survivors will accept the punishment for their sins. They will learn that they were punished because they hated my laws and refused to obey my rules.

So, it is only out of ignorance that you claim that this Law/agreement/Covenant, is from God to all of mankind. God, through His prophet Moses, made certain that no one can even attempt such an argument of such in this.

sonmvayina:
It was Emperior constantine who wanted a single religion for his empire that gathered all the diffwewnt religious leaders to Nicea and after arguing for almost two years they finally created the jesus character as their God..

I am afraid you have your history lessons turned upside down. Constantine showed up about 300 years after Jesus Christ - he certainly did not invent or create Jesus Christ.

At that time, Christianity, the Jesus Christ movement, had been in motion for well over 3 centuries. He, Constantine, came in, pretending to be a Christian himself, to resolve, in his own way, the issue of persecution that had plagued much of Christianity before and during some of his time He also sought to assert his power over the division that had also formed at that time between the many power greedy bishopricks, I like to call them, fighting for control over the movement at that time.

Kobojunkiee:
God established a Law in the beginning which He may have given to all of mankind, but we are no privy to all of the details of this Law. However, we also know that the same God mades separate Laws with peoples... Noah, and then Abraham, for example, and eventually the Children of Israel.
So, there is the Law that applies to all of mankind, and then the Laws that apply to specific cases and peoples even.
God gave a Specific Law to the Children of Israel.. and the details of that Law is expressed beginning in the book of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy- All comprise the Law/Covenant/agreement of Moses, given by God specifically to those of the blood of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Note that even the other direct descendants of Abraham, and his other descendants, Isaac and his other descendant were and are not covered in that agreement either - they are gentiles as far as that Law/Covenant/agreement is concerned.

Throughout the books the record of the Old Covenant Law of Moses, God drops hint after hint, to make it clear that the agreement He was making was specifically between Him and the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and that the agreement was an eternal one with them too.
So, it is only out of ignorance that you claim that this Law/agreement/Covenant, is from God to all of mankind. God, through His prophet Moses, made certain that no one can even attempt such an argument of such in this.
I am afraid you have your history lessons turned upside down. Constantine showed up about 300 years after Jesus Christ - he certainly did not invent or create Jesus Christ.

At that time, Christianity, the Jesus Christ movement, had been in motion for well over 3 centuries. He, Constantine, came in, pretending to be a Christian himself, to resolve, in his own way, the issue of persecution that had plagued much of Christianity before and during some of his time He also sought to assert his power over the division that had also formed at that time between the many power greedy bishopricks, I like to call them, fighting for control over the movement at that time.

Sorry i even wasted my time...you no go school at all or you just suffering from cognitive dissonance...

Check for the meaning of propaganda in the dictionary. Thats a good place to start.


Bye bye.

sonmvayina:
Sorry i even wasted my time...you no go school at all or you just suffering from cognitive dissonance...

That is funny coming from someone who posts falsehoods and conjures up ideas in his mind which he posts as facts.
Rather than attempt to tackle my rebuttal, you continue to think that an attack at my person is the best strategy, and you believe I am the cognitive dissonance case here?

sonmvayina:
Check for the meaning of propaganda in the dictionary. Thats a good place to start.
Bye bye.

If asserting God's own decree, as is found in scripture, is what you consider propaganda, then color me guilty!

Kobojunkiee:
That is funny coming from someone who posts falsehoods and conjures up ideas in his mind which he posts as facts.
Rather than attempt to tackle my rebuttal, you continue to think that an attack at my person is the best strategy, and you believe I am the cognitive dissonance case here?
If asserting God's own decree, as is found in scripture, is what you consider propaganda, then color me guilty!

God laws are universal. He gave it to all of humanity. That the jews wrote it like God only gave it to them is what is a propaganda. We igbos call it omenani. It is still the basis of the yoruba ifa or the indian vedas...stop behaving like an aas wipe...

sonmvayina:
God laws are universal. He gave it to all of humanity. That the jews wrote it like God only gave it to them is what is a propaganda.

Again... God gave specific laws Noah, Abraham, Isaac, and also to the Children of Israel. The details of the Law He gave the children of Israel is expressed beginning in the book of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy- All comprise the Law/Covenant/agreement of Moses, given by God specifically to those of the blood of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Deuteronomy 30 vs 15-20 (ERV)
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15. “Today I have given you a choice between life and death, success and disaster.
16. I command you today to love the Lord your God. I command you to follow him and to obey his commands, laws, and rules. Then you will live, and your nation will grow larger. And the Lord your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take for your own.
17. But if you turn away from your God and refuse to listen, if you are led away to worship and serve other gods,
18. you will be destroyed. I am warning you today, if you turn away from God, you will not live long in that land across the Jordan River that you are ready to enter and take for your own.

19. “Today I am giving you a choice of two ways. And I ask heaven and earth to be witnesses of your choice. You can choose life or death. The first choice will bring a blessing. The other choice will bring a curse. So choose life! Then you and your children will live.
20. You must love the Lord your God and obey him. Never leave him, because he is your life. And he will give you a long life in the land that he, the Lord, promised to give to your ancestors—Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”

Note that even the other direct descendants of Abraham, and his other descendants, Isaac and his other descendant were and are not covered in that agreement either - they are gentiles as far as that Law/Covenant/agreement is concerned.

Leviticus 24 vs 7-20 (ERV)
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7. Put pure frankincense on each row. This will help the Lord remember the gift.
8. Every Sabbath day Aaron will put the bread in order before the Lord. This must be done forever. This agreement with the Israelites will continue forever.
9. That bread will belong to Aaron and his sons. They will eat the bread in a holy place because that bread is one of the special gifts to the Lord. It is Aaron’s share forever.”

He went as far as making a separate but included covenant with families(Levites, and Aaron) in same Israel to drive home this point.

sonmvayina:
We igbos call it omenani. It is still the basis of the yoruba ifa or the indian vedas...stop behaving like an aas wipe...

I understand that you are desperate to claim that your ibo God is the same God as the God of the Jews - even the Islamics do their best to convince themselves that they serve the same God as the jews- but the fact is no matter how you try to slice and dice it, you would need to ignore the declarations made, and carried out by the Jewish God, in order to accomplish any of that.

At this point, I already see the problem with your belief and ask that you take it up with God Himself since you seem to believe the Jews successfully tampered with the Law given by God to Moses, implying God is incompetent and incapable of maintaining the Truth of His own Laws as well.

Kobojunkiee:
Again... God gave specific laws Noah, Abraham, Isaac, and also to the Children of Israel. The details of the Law He gave the children of Israel is expressed beginning in the book of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy- All comprise the Law/Covenant/agreement of Moses, given by God specifically to those of the blood of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Note that even the other direct descendants of Abraham, and his other descendants, Isaac and his other descendant were and are not covered in that agreement either - they are gentiles as far as that Law/Covenant/agreement is concerned.
He went as far as making a separate but included covenant with families(Levites, and Aaron) in same Israel to drive home this point.
I understand that you are desperate to claim that your ibo God is the same God as the God of the Jews - even the Islamics do their best to convince themselves that they serve the same God as the jews- but the fact is no matter how you try to slice and dice it, you would need to ignore the declarations made, and carried out by the Jewish God, in order to accomplish any of that.

At this point, I already see the problem with your belief and ask that you take it up with God Himself since you seem to believe the Jews successfully tampered with the Law given by God to Moses, implying God is incompetent and incapable of maintaining the Truth of His own Laws as well.

You are not well, please see a psychaitrist....


For your own good..

sonmvayina:
You are not well, please see a psychaitrist....
For your own good..

So, you are just small-minded after all is said and done

GeneralDae:

But that is not what the Christian bible says. Jesus already told us that if someone sins and needs God's forgiveness, all he has to do is to forgive those who offends him/her and then repent. The only place Jesus spoke of a sacrifice for sin was with respect to the Holy Communion as a new passover meal to commemorate his death. In celebrating the passover, the disciples were to feel positive about his death as the sign for the ushering in of a new covenant and the forgiveness of sins. It is more in relation to the passover story involving deliverance of Isreal.

The jewish Idea in the first century was not a single idea. Besides there was no Judaism ( as a religon) in the first century. There were various sects such as the Pharisees, Saducees, Essens, Zealots, and they all had varying beliefs. There were the Apocryphals, book of Enoch , and several jewish books that borrowed from Persian and Babylonian religions such as Zoorastianism and the likes. Zoorastians ( not sure I spelt that right) believed in dualism with stuff like Satan and Hellfire. These concepts were later used to interprete and translate the Christian bible, but the jesus of the first century shared almost similar beliefs or close beliefs to that of the Essens and Pharisees.

Kobojunkiee:
So, you are just small-minded after all is said and done

I have told you this before, but your stupidity and ignorance will not let you see your front. There is only one God , creator of heaven and earth...only the name that is different...same message or laws different stories...

But you are just head strong, because you are comfortable with your idolatry. Anything else is a lie..

When the time comes, you will get sense. Just keep wallowing in your filt like a swine..