Dtruthspeaker:


You do real-eyes that I am a Lawyer, and I am the one who Teaches Burden of Proof Anywhere in the world?

The Universal Law Settled world over is "He who Alleges any Fact whether positive, negative or neutral, Has the Burden of Proving the Truth of that Fact"!

You do not fabricate or manufacture Burden of proof, we lawyers are the Scientists from whose lab Burden of proof is Tested and Approved to be fit for consumption, which is what The Law has Said!

Remember Expert Evidence and you are not the expert, I am.

Please, be respectful and do not argue with me about burden of proof, for you argue because your life is not in danger of certain death and great loss which you will only experience when you have been brought before, A Court!

Every lawyer deals with real life and death of souls therefore we know how an error in misplacing the burden of proof can kill an innocent, so we protect against making such errors with our whole soul and life and you do not.

So please be respectful and stay out of arguing this, for you know not Truly what you say and do.

When you have a real case in your life take that thinking, go to Court, do not engage a lawyer and use it to defend yourself!

If you are successful, call me up and i'll honour you!

truespeak:


More Wrigglings from Mr earthworm!

FatherOfJesus:
ok. Which God is yours?

Dtruthspeaker:


Thank you!

At the proper time and the proper thread I would sit in your trial seat for cross examination.

Or better still, raise a thread for that purpose, I"ll meet you there!

But I have done that before with you and you could not proceed, do you remember?

But again I say raise a thread and I'll show you how you can not make me or Christ Jesus, The Lord God Who I Represent, to Validly and Truth Fully, Fall!

Only One Mighty Mighty God, there is None other!

On this thread you are the one on Trial!

Dtruthspeaker:




On this thread you are the one on Trial.

FatherOfJesus:
So Jesus Christ is your god?

Why no Zeus or Krishna?

truespeak:


Oh! He verily is!

Dtruthspeaker:


Still trying to put me up on trial?

I have told you to Raise A thread, for this purpose, let it be very very Clear or are you afraid?

FatherOfJesus:
But pascal’s wager is part of the thread na.

Why is your God not Krishna or Zeus?

Dtruthspeaker:


Open a thread for me and I will answer all your reasonable questions the best and most Truth Full way I possibly can!

Do not be afraid!

FatherOfJesus:
Afraid of who cannot defend his God? O funny sha

If you want to talk about it then open a thread for that, as for this particular topic I will keep asking you why you don’t serve Zeus and the Flying Spaghetti Monster because that’s false dilemma in Pascal’s wager

Dtruthspeaker:


You are Afraid! You know you will Fall!

Since you are the one challenging me, you have the duty to let the whole world know that you challenge me and the challenge must be open not hidden.

Let the whole world see me fail as you wish or see you fall (which you are Afraid of), one of us must be put to shame and the other "glowry filled"!

So open a thread and let us see betwixt us who shall receive everlasting shame and Ridicule!

Stop hiding in the darkness and running away, be a man and challenge me openly!

FatherOfJesus:
Why JESUS Christ and not Zeus or Flying Spaghetti Monster?

FatherOfJesus:
You can see the wind sir. You can see it by lowering the temperature. You can also see it in cyclones, oceans and tornadoes.
You can measure the wind using a wind gauge , you cannot measure God using any known equipment.


Faulty equivalence fallacy.

Is see God the proof you'll accept that God exist? Just curious

Religion is full of fallacies

Dtruthspeaker:


it is indeed wise to fear The Lord!

FatherOfJesus:
You can see the wind sir. You can see it by lowering the temperature. You can also see it in cyclones, oceans and tornadoes.
You can measure the wind using a wind gauge , you cannot measure God using any known equipment.


Faulty equivalence fallacy.

Religion is full of fallacies

Truthisobjectiv:


Is seeing God the proof you'll accept that God exists? Just curious. Cos are things we accept even though we didn't see them.

truespeak:


Always reversing the Burden!

He made no allegation as to these matters, therefore it is you who having brought in the allegation who is required to prove!

FatherOfJesus:
You don’t have to see God to accept him.

You just have to test him with a method that will give repeated results. For example we can’t see dark energy yet[b] but we can test it, we can measure it and we know it’s there[/b].

Now what method do you propose we used in testing god and that will give repeated results anytime?
Which god are we testing? We have more than 4,000 of them.

FatherOfJesus:
Tell how the Holy Spirit had sex with Mary to conceive your god.

keppler:

You are really not worth debating as you are not interested in facts but misrepresentation that you read from your anti-God sites. Most of your assertions are straw man, making your points irrelevant.
And from experience, you tend to resort to name calling whenever you are refuted since you haven't done your research to see if it's necessary to use those arguments you read, in case they have been refuted and outdated. You could easily save yourself the stress of feeling being cornered with rebuttals if you had done your own research to see if there are rebuttals for the arguments you want to use.

To your statement, Holy Spirit did not have sex with Mary. It's a simple strawman that no serious skeptic of Christianity will ever use.
If you want to go into battle of worldviews, take your time to study diligently, arguments from both camps and not just rush to post something you see that makes you happy without knowing if it even hold substance

keppler:

Test for dark matter? hahahahaha
If it can be tested, then Big bang cosmology has won one of its hurdles. But that's not the case bro. You can't just come online to dish out misinformation and think folks are ignorant.
FYI dark matter is called dark because it is BELIEVED to be there when there is NO EVIDENCE for it. It is one of the statement of faith of materialists

And you've successfully diverted from the main argument with your red herring of which god you are testing because you've been schooled by dtruthspeaker, even after talking about fallacies.

FatherOfJesus:
Half-baked educated sciolist.
Dark matter can be felt through its effects on the universe, especially through the orbital velocities of stars and gravitational lensing of light around "invisible" objects but there’s no instrument to directly test it but there’s a method to observe it’s effect, it’s does mean that it cannot be felt. Without dark matter and energy, galaxies no do not have enough to stay together.
Thanks to scientists, sciolists like you would have immediately attributed it to god.

This cannot be said about your imaginary friend in the skies who cannot be felt in any manner. He can only be felt deluded and ill-educated lairs in churches.

FatherOfJesus:
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Ad hominem.

No point made

keppler:

So what do you use your copy and paste to prove now? You claimed that it can be tested and I called you out for it, and you copy and paste what agrees with me, yet you resorted to name calling just as predicted.

Of course, dark matter and energy was postulated to solve some problems in the big bang cosmology. Just like the strawman atheist use that they call gods of the gap, we observe this and don't know what caused it, hence dark matter and energy are responsible for it.

keppler:

Very funny. I guess you don't know the meaning of ad hominem as that is what you've been using mostly when your are refuted.

Again, I called you out that your statement is a strawman and advised you to not use such petty tactics, but you called that ad hominem? Very funny

FatherOfJesus:
Maybe I have to speak in idiot language for you to understand basic science, this is not God of the gaps. You just don’t know science. It’s just ignorance on your own part.

You can account for the extra energy required to put galaxies together, there’s a mathematical calculation to account for this extra energy which is about 85% of the energy we can acount for. Dark energy account for about 2.241×10−27 kg/m3 mass-energy density of the universe measured by the WMAP device to measure the cosmic microwave background. We know it’s there, the mathematical proof is there, we can feel its effects on galaxies , the effects have been calculated and seen in gravitational lensing but we cannot see the matter. Because we cannot see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, as long have we have other means of accurately measuring its present mathematically and otherwise. This cannot be said about your god, your god cannot be measured in any form, this is not equivalent to your invisible and immeasurable god. Just like Neutrinos, we knew it was there because there was an extra mass that couldn’t be accounted for in a decaying atom but we couldn’t be detected but it was there mathematically not until it was detected In 1955.
An example is the gravitational wave, it has been felt and mathematically proven long before LIGO was invented to detect it.
No one has observed any effect of your God, no maths to prove him and nothing whatsoever points to his existence. Even the best Christian scientists failed to provide any observable or mathematical evidence to factor him into he skim of things. He doesn’t exist until you prove it, until then you can’t force anyone to accept your lies.

There’s no gap here, dark matter have been accurately measured and quantified by different scientific methods.
It’s nobody’s fault if you lack access to information

FatherOfJesus:
I don’t think you have the right to detect fallacies.
You believe in an imaginary friend, that’s already fallacious

And you are stuck in that mystery because you cannot prove your imaginary friend. The joke is on you who’s trying to find evidence after making a conclusion

I’m not the person with almost a mental disorder of trying to prove he sees a friend living in the sky.

keppler:

Very funny
I am not getting distracted with your red herring. The argument you made is that you said dark matter can be tested which you now know that it can't be. Mathematical model is a very important tool but can be used to model many things which is accepted or rejected mostly on worldview. So it doesn't do much, which is why research has been on for decades to detect dark matter or energy. According to the scientific method, it remains a fudge factor. No matter the copy and paste you do will undo that

Anyway, you can continue your ad hominem attacks

keppler:

Suit yourself with continuous ad hominem
My prediction was right all along

FatherOfJesus:
So with all I typed you still didn’t figure out that black matter has been tested by WMAP giving a figure of about 2.241×10−27 kg/m3 which is 27% of the universe’s mass-energy density.

Should I translate it to Jesus language before you understand?

Or I forgot, you still don’t understand what gravitational on lensing is. This is why people like you don’t do well in science

keppler:

The problem is you don't understand what you copied and because you see numbers, you feel that you've shown yourself to be the prof here
You clearly don't understand what you wrote, else you wouldn't say that it has been tested by WMAP. It is in simple terms, the factor that makes an equation work.
For example, I can't mathematically say that 2³ = 23. But I can solve it by adding x to the left hand side which can be solved to be 15. What you have is an equation that should add up to 10 but you can only see the value 2³, hence, you can say that ^x is there even if you cannot detect it and will calculate the value of x. THAT DOES NOT PROVE THAT ^x can be tested