MaxInDHouse:


Alcohol came with civilization as people continue to improve in things made. Nobody says people should be filled with alcohol which has it's purpose back in those days but whether it's bread, meat, wine or water too much of everything is bad.
Alcohol was used back then the same way we use spirit/iodine on wounds, soldiers use it most because during battles we secure lots of wounds, to prevent germs and other deadly bacteria from the surface of the wound we apply alcohol and also drink out of it to kill the germs or bacteria that has entered into the body while fighting and unable to attend to injuries.
Some amongst us feel high with it as it makes us forget our worries for instance our colleagues that has fallen, some whose bodies were shattered and we feel like getting vengeance for the soul of our friends.
No matter the kind of God you PREACH about as long as you're in support of soldiers going to fight in battles your preaching against alcohol or strong drink is flawed already, because soldiers don't go to wars without something to shack them like alcohol and/or marijuana!
So instead of arguing blindly about the intake just say exactly what God says:
Whether bread, water, tea, meat, wine or alcohoic beverages, too much of everything is bad!
Remember NO ADDITION and NO SUBTRACTION! Revelations 22:18-19
May you have PEACE!

"[/b]...Alcohol was used back then the same way we use spirit/iodine on wounds, soldiers use it most because during battles we secure lots of wounds, to prevent germs and other deadly bacteria from the surface of the wound we apply alcohol and also drink out of it to kill the germs or bacteria that has entered into the body while fighting and unable to attend to injuries.
Some amongst us feel high with it as it makes us forget our worries for instance our colleagues that has fallen, some whose bodies were shattered and we feel like getting vengeance for the soul of our friends...."[b]

You are very correct!
This corresponds with the Bible where It says GIVE ALCOHOL TO THOSE WHO ARE READY TO PERISH:

*. Proverbs 31:6 "KJV: GIVE STRONG DRINK UNTO HIM THAT IS READY TO PERISH, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts."


But my question now is - now that you are no longer in the war front, why do you still drink?

the word PERISH reminds me of Jesus who was given to us so that if we believe we'll not PERISH. John 3:16

I read it like this " whoever believes in Him should not PERISH"
Or
"whoever believes in Him should not drink alcohol"

Alcohol is for those who want to PERISH in time and eternity.

MaxInDHouse:


Alcohol came with civilization as people continue to improve in things made. Nobody says people should be filled with alcohol which has it's purpose back in those days but whether it's bread, meat, wine or water too much of everything is bad.
Alcohol was used back then the same way we use spirit/iodine on wounds, soldiers use it most because during battles we secure lots of wounds, to prevent germs and other deadly bacteria from the surface of the wound we apply alcohol and also drink out of it to kill the germs or bacteria that has entered into the body while fighting and unable to attend to injuries.
Some amongst us feel high with it as it makes us forget our worries for instance our colleagues that has fallen, some whose bodies were shattered and we feel like getting vengeance for the soul of our friends.
No matter the kind of God you PREACH about as long as you're in support of soldiers going to fight in battles your preaching against alcohol or strong drink is flawed already, because soldiers don't go to wars without something to shack them like alcohol and/or marijuana!
So instead of arguing blindly about the intake just say exactly what God says:
Whether bread, water, tea, meat, wine or alcohoic beverages, too much of everything is bad!
Remember NO ADDITION and NO SUBTRACTION! Revelations 22:18-19
May you have PEACE!

"[/b]
No matter the kind of God you PREACH about as long as you're in support of soldiers going to fight in battles your preaching against alcohol or strong drink is flawed already, because soldiers don't go to wars without something to shack them like alcohol and/or marijuana!"[b]


This is one of the many ironies of this life - those who say their members should not go to war give them license to drink alcohol
while those who say those of their members who are in army can fight war, are the ones who are against alcohol.

Note:
Our members who are in the army can fight war. They are discharging their duties.
But those of us who are not in the army don't put up arms for whatever reason.
Stop believing Watch Tower lies..


Why then are you people encouraged to drink alcohol?
1. To help give you boldness as you go to knock at people's doors

2. to prevent you from accepting other people opinions

3. to cause you read the Bible out of context ( Janosky and DappaD are chief on this)

4. to misinterpret the Word and....

5......?

Where you got it all wrong is condemning alcohoic beverages when God didn't condemn it:

"And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household" Deuteronomy 14:26 KJV

So it's not what goes into the mouth that defiles people but what comes out from their hearts {Matthew 15:11} why not also condemn having anything to do with women? After all it's a woman that brought the forbidden fruit to Adam and compelled him to eat out of it {Genesis 3:6} it was women that led Israelite men into fornication and 24,000 died one day {Numbers 25:1,9} it was a woman that seduced Samson to death {Judges 16:18-20} it's women that sang a song that made Saul hate David till death {1Samuel 18:7-9} it was women that led wise king Solomon away to worship idols! 1Kimgs 11:4

So what makes you think women should be kept in our midst? Don't forget that alcohoic can't talk but women do! Genesis 39:7

Sorry my friend, your opinion is toxic because all what a Christian need is self-control! Genesis 39:8-9 compare to Galatians 5:22-23
Whoever can't control himself or herself is not worth to be called a Christian.
God bless you and may you have PEACE!

KNOWMORE56:

"[/b]...whether it's bread, meat, wine or water too much of everything is bad..."[b]
I disagree with the above. I contended this with the Catholic. It is a common statement among them.
In the Bible people took it and misbehaved.
At contemporary, people are taking it and misbehaving.
Somebody became naked after taking it. Another slept with his daughters after taking it.
Another talked rubbish and insulted people after taking it, and a lot of other things that suppose not as becoming saints ( Ephesians 5:3)
Both then and now it has not been heard that somebody committed one of the above as a result of BREAD, MEAT, WINE (tonic wine) or WATER...
So, when people say "too much of anything is bad" we have to recognize the area of exceptions.
The opposite statemt of this philosophy is
"too little of anything is good"
No, max, quantity is not a yardstick used to measure/recognize good things or bad things.
If bad thing is small or little, it is still a bad thing; and if a good thing is small or little, it is still a good thing, this is the Kingdom standard.
Practically, no small amount of POISON that is considered harmless.
And alcohol is a poison ( Deuteronomy 32:33).
A secular resent research confirm this when they discovered that no matter how small alcohol is taking, it still causes harm.
You can check it out:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www..com/talk/topic

The Bible does not permit us to give alcohol to people:

*. Habakkuk 2:15 "KJV: WOE UNTO HIM THAT GIVETH HIS NEIGHBOUR DRINK, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their unclothedness!"

MaxInDHouse:
Where you got it all wrong is condemning alcohoic beverages when God didn't condemn it:

"And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household" Deuteronomy 14:26 KJV

So it's not what goes into the mouth that defiles people but what comes out from their hearts {Matthew 15:11} why not also condemn having anything to do with women? After all it's a woman that brought the forbidden fruit to Adam and compelled him to eat out of it {Genesis 3:6} it was women that led Israelite men into fornication and 24,000 died one day {Numbers 25:1,9} it was a woman that seduced Samson to death {Judges 16:18-20} it's women that sang a song that made Saul hate David till death {1Samuel 18:7-9} it was women that led wise king Solomon away to worship idols! 1Kimgs 11:4

So what makes you think women should be kept in our midst? Don't forget that alcohoic can't talk but women do! Genesis 39:7

Sorry my friend, your opinion is toxic because all what a Christian need is self-control! Genesis 39:8-9 compare to Galatians 5:22-23
Whoever can't control himself or herself is not worth to be called a Christian.
God bless you and may you have PEACE!

It is very clear that alcohol is not for kings.
And I'm sure that your quotation is not referring to Kings

*. Proverbs 31: 4 "KJV:It is not for kings, O Lemuel, IT IS NOT FOR KINGS TO DRINK WINE; nor for princes strong drink:"


*. Revelation 5: 10 "KJV:And HAST MADE US UNTO OUR GOD KINGS AND PRIESTS: and we shall reign on the earth."

This is settled in Heaven!
*. Psalm 119:89 "KJV:For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven."

Jesus turned water to WINE!

So ask us for the Interpretation of what you're reading in our book otherwise you're already condemning Jesus because he produced WINE in large quantity for people to DRINK!

"WOE UNTO HIM THAT GIVETH HIS NEIGHBOUR DRINK"

KNOWMORE56:

It is very clear that alcohol is not for kings.
And I'm sure that your quotation is not referring to Kings
*. Proverbs 31: 4 "KJV:It is not for kings, O Lemuel, IT IS NOT FOR KINGS TO DRINK WINE; nor for princes strong drink:"
*. Revelation 5: 10 "KJV:And HAST MADE US UNTO OUR GOD KINGS AND PRIESTS: and we shall reign on the earth."
This is settled in Heaven!
*. Psalm 119:89 "KJV:For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven."

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus turned water to WINE!

So ask us for the Interpretation of what you're reading in our book otherwise you're already condemning Jesus because he produced WINE in large quantity for people to DRINK!

Wine is divided into 2:
GOOD WINE and BAD WINE.

Jesus being a good Friend and Father could not, cannot and will not give intoxicant.


*. John 2:10 "KJV:And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth GOOD WINE; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept THE GOOD WINE until now."

Give alcohol to those who are ready to perish Proverbs 31: 6

*. Proverbs 31:6 "KJV: GIVE STRONG DRINK UNTO HIM THAT IS READY TO PERISH, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts."

KNOWMORE56:

Wine is divided into 2:
GOOD WINE and BAD WINE.
Jesus being a good Friend and Father could not, cannot and will not give intoxicant.
*. John 2:10 "KJV:And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth GOOD WINE; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept THE GOOD WINE until now."

You can continue to twist it anyhow you like, WINE is WINE people who got drunk took too much that's the point of emphasis!

MaxInDHouse:


You can continue to twist it anyhow you like, WINE is WINE people who got drunk took too much that's the point of emphasis!

Too much?
You see, Jesus could not have given them what they have too much of it already.

Don't you understand? They had had too much of the bad wine.

You are trying to say they were drunk and my loving Jesus wanted them to get drunk the more. No, is impossible!

that's why Jesus, the GOOD SHEPHERD, gave them the GOOD WINE, and they noticed the difference.

7up "the difference is clear"

MaxInDHouse:


You can continue to twist it anyhow you like, WINE is WINE people who got drunk took too much that's the point of emphasis!

You know this "Jesus turned water to alcohol".....
I was arguing with friends then. Telling them that wine Jesus gave them must be Kai kia.

My point for saying it's Kai Kai was that He told them to fetch water and fill the jars, they did.

Without adding colour to it, He told them to start serving it.

So the wine must be colourless and the only colourless alcohol is Kai Kai.

So I drank a lot of it with the assurance that Jesus turned water to Kai Kai.

But now I thank Him for delivering me.

Do you guys also drink Kai Kai ( hot drink, e.g one man squadron, Chelsea, )

@kobojunkie, downchelsea

Let's see what the Word have to say about alcohol:

*. Leviticus 10:9 "KJV: DO NOT DRINK wine nor STRONG DRINK, THOU, NOR THY SONS WITH THEE, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:"

note:
DO NOT DRINK STRONG DRINK (alcohol), THOU, NOR THY SONS WITH THEE

*. Numbers 6:3 "
KJV: HE SHALL SEPARATE HIMSELF FROM wine and STRONG DRINK, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried."

Note:
HE (the called out, church) SHALL SEPARATE HIMSELF FROM STRONG DRINK

Judges 13:4 "KJV: NOW THEREFORE BEWARE, I PRAY THEE, and DRINK NOT wine nor STRONG DRINK, and eat not any unclean thing:"

note:
"NOW THEREFORE BEWARE, I PRAY THEE, DRINK NOT STRONG DRINK"

The wife of Manoah will rise up in the day of judgement and shall condemn this generation.

Because she kept herself from alcohol for the sake of Samson inside her,
but now a greater than Samson is inside the believers,
yet they refuse to stay away from alcohol!

*. Matthew 12:41 "KJV: THE MEN OF NINEVEH SHALL RISE IN JUDGMENT WITH THIS GENERATION, AND SHALL CONDEMN IT: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here."

42KJV:The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, BEHOLD, A GREATER THAN SOLOMON IS HERE.

KNOWMORE56:


You know this "Jesus turned water to alcohol".....
I was arguing with friends then. Telling them that wine Jesus gave them must be Kai kia.

My point for saying it's Kai Kai was that He told them to fetch water and fill the jars, they did.

Without adding colour to it, He told them to start serving it.

So the wine must be colourless and the only colourless alcohol is Kai Kai.

So I drank a lot of it with the assurance that Jesus turned water to Kai Kai.

But now I thank Him for delivering me.

Do you guys also drink Kai Kai ( hot drink, e.g one man squadron, Chelsea, )

@kobojunkie, downchelsea

Wine can get them drunk if taken excessively!

MaxInDHouse:


Wine can get them drunk if taken excessively!

If you're still responding to that guy, don't waste your time.

Time spent on people with misconception is never wasted, as long as he continues to respond know that the spirit deceiving him is worried that the heavy blows of truth is coming upon him.
We can't see their hearts but God does, the sowing and watering must continue until he decides to quit the discussion.
Do you notice how he's trying to buttress his points with the scriptures?
But God's Holy Spirit will use a true Christian to show him that he's quoting God's word out of context!

DownChelsea:

If you're still responding to that guy, don't waste your time.

MaxInDHouse:
Time spent on people with misconception is never wasted, as long as he continues to respond know that the spirit deceiving him is worried that the heavy blows of truth is coming upon him.
We can't see their hearts but God does, the sowing and watering must continue until he decides to quit the discussion.
Do you notice how he's trying to buttress his points with the scriptures?
But God's Holy Spirit will use a true Christian to show him that he's quoting God's word out of context!

you're spot on.

DownChelsea:
you're spot on.

Let him condemn the God who asked His people to buy and drink Alcoholic beverages in his presence {Deuteronomy 14:26} or let him condemn Jesus who turned water to WINE {John 2:3-10} and who drank alcoholic beverages moderately to teach people that self-control is part of the attributes of God's Holy Spirit! Luke 7:31-35 compare to Galatians 5:22-23

John the baptist never drank alcoholic beverages but Jesus do, so if Jesus did and controlled himself in knowing what quantity is ok for him, then an adult shouldn't complain when his little kid comes back from school and stooling simply because the child drank too much over what he/she can't control himself or herself like soft drinks. Whatever makes an adult lack self-control surely a kid shouldn't be punished for the same offence!

Kobojunkie:
Rubbish!

So when Jesus Christ declared that it is not what you eat/drink that makes you unclean, Jesus Christ lied abi?

FATHER OF FLAME