Question...
Can a man good deeds and philanthropic work save him and get him to Heaven?
Biblical answer and application..
The story of Cornelius ( Acts 10:1-40)
He was described as a man who feared God, give alms to people and prayed always
. But it was not enough...
Peter Preach to him and he was Baptized ( Acts10:38-40)
Can one be saved without baptism?
Mark 16:16 says He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.
Those who have been baptized put on Christ ( Galatians 3:27)..
Jesus show as examples in Matthew 3 when he was baptized...
What if I say Sinner Prayer?
Answer
Not biblical application of such.. it's men doctrine..
Peter said obey God rather than men ( Acts 5:29) because not all who says lord lord or do miracles will enter the kingdom of God except they do the will of the father not their own ( Matthew 7:21-23)
Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3:3-6
Unless a man is born of water and spirit..which was further reveal in Acts 2:38.
Question.
But it's the men of God that say so.?
Answer
The Bible teaches us that who abide in the doctrine of Christ have God( 2 John 1:9)
The Bible Also teaches those who teaches and follow the doctrine of men worship in vain ( Matthew 15:8-10)
Then what is the Absolute truth about salvation?
Hear the gospel ( Romans 10:17
Believe the gospel ( mark 16:16, Acts 2:38)
Repent ( Acts 2:38)
Confess Jesus ( Roman 10: 9-10)
Be baptized ( 1 Peter 3:21, Acts 2:41, Acts 22:16, Romans 6:3-4)
Note: The example of baptism stated in the practical case of Eunuch and Philip in Acts 8:30-38 which was in line with Jesus instructions in Matthew 28:18-29 and Mark 16:16 means
Baptism is not for infants because infant cannot believe..
What then?
In Time of ignorance God overlooked, But He is commanding all to Repent..( acts 17:30)
If you are have not yet accept Christ following the biblical concepts...
You are in the way that lead to destruction...( Matthew 7:13-14)..
Don't follow those who changed the truth of God into a lie ( Romans 1:25)
Be like the Berean ...search the scriptures if it is so( Acts 17:11)
May God open your eyes to see..

Good deeds/works comes with earthly Blessings...as long as the doer is a sinner..na One way ticket to hell.

Very well written...
If I may also add, I think we, Christians, tend to forget that good deeds WITHOUT an obedient and submissive heart to Christ mean absolutely "0" to Christ.
We have to remember that Christ is our mirror...and that we are to seek His approval. The world may say we are perfect, but in God's eyes we are not.
Anyhow, it's sobering to think that "good works ONLY" are not the final criterion for entering eternity.
It is extremely easy for a person to do good works yet have an evil, corrupt, disobedient (and with unpure motives) heart.
I am reminded of Matthew 7:22-23 (KJV).
22 "Many will say to me in that day, LORD, LORD, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"
23"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
We, oftentimes, are deceived by the true nature of our hearts and think we're okay when we really are not.
We are to DO "good works" because we ARE SAVED....not to "BE SAVED."
Anyone can do "good works" and still be foul in God's eyes.
However, Christ came to set us captives FREE from the clutches of sin. He then works in us His spirit (the fruits)/character and equips us through prayer and the study of His Word to spread the good news to others who are dying in the despair of sin.
Good piece....

Myzzyfrazzy:
Question...
Can a man good deeds and philanthropic work save him and get him to Heaven?...

You all keep emphasizing "Good Deeds" "Righteousness", Living and Life is On the Doing of Good Deeds.

Death and Dying is in "Bad Deeds"!

We are supposed to do Good Deeds and be Doing Good Deeds and Have A Duty to Do Good Deeds, so this is not the problem.

The Problem is that we do not do Good Deeds but the "Bad Deeds" and it is the "Bad Deeds/Bad thoughts that Condemn you.

So the Question is "Do you Do bad Deeds/Bad works?"

I believe (and the OP can correct me if I'm wrong), he is saying that there's much more to being a Christian than just doing "good works". One must answer to the claims of Christ, surrender, be converted and allow Him to be Lord of His life. It is not about the person...but rather Christ.
"Good deeds"-- giving to the poor, donations, enriching folks' lives financially, education-wise etc., should be the result of an expressed gratitude of what Christ did on the Cross and through our converted or regenerated lives...and should be done with pure motives. It's not always a good thing or God thing to publicize our "good works"....
The genuine fruit of the Spirit is the evidence of a changed life in Christ.
Just as important are keeping the Lord's "10" commandments...honoring Him first then one's fellow man.
For example, I respect my fellow man so I won't covet his/her spouse. I won't steal from them, slander, beat them, use profane language, or abuse them in any form etc.,

MOTIVES---which only the Lord can discern-- are what determines the reason behind Matthew 7:22-23 as I stated before.
We are solemnly warned in the above scripture verses that many will be condemned eternally who "lived a life of good deeds".
It is extremely easy for people to believe one thing based on limited perception. Even our own hearts we do not fully know...mercy.

However, the Word of God outlines how a sincere follower of Christ is to live....
When we do things or live contrary to the Word, our lives (no matter what position we may hold in Christianity) become questionable for some, not for another group and indifferent to more. However, in God's eyes, living contrary to His Word is total disobedience...which God will not honor...regardless if people do.
Not everyone is a disciple of Christ just because he/she "said" or"says" so.
Doing "good deeds" also does NOT automatically qualify one for the Kingdom. Christ examines motives....however a humble, surrendered and obedient heart is mandatory for being His disciple. Even if mistakes are made, the Lord knows the true intentions.
If a person continually, deliberately or in ignorance engages in "bad deeds" (anything opposite of God's character), then it's clear that he/she has not been converted by the power of Christ....and needs to be introduced to Him and changed.

Dtruthspeaker:


You all keep emphasizing "Good Deeds" "Righteousness", Living and Life is On the Doing of Good Deeds.

Death and Dying is in "Bad Deeds"!

We are supposed to do Good Deeds and be Doing Good Deeds and Have A Duty to Do Good Deeds, so this is not the problem.

The Problem is that we do not do Good Deeds but the "Bad Deeds" and it is the "Bad Deeds/Bad thoughts that Condemn you.

So the Question is "Do you Do bad Deeds/Bad works?"

Sir, please read what I wrote again. It takes more than good deeds to make heaven as a christain

Eviana:
I believe (and the OP can correct me if I'm wrong), he is saying that there's much more to being a Christian than just doing "good works". One must answer to the claims of Christ, surrender, be converted and allow Him to be Lord of His life. It is not about the person...but rather Christ.
"Good deeds"-- giving to the poor, donations, enriching folks' lives financially, education-wise etc., should be the result of an expressed gratitude of what Christ did on the Cross and through our converted or regenerated lives...and should be done with pure motives. It's not always a good thing or God thing to publicize our "good works"....
The genuine fruit of the Spirit is the evidence of a changed life in Christ.
Just as important are keeping the Lord's "10" commandments...honoring Him first then one's fellow man.
For example, I respect my fellow man so I won't covet his/her spouse. I won't steal from them, slander, beat them, use profane language, or abuse them in any form etc.,

MOTIVES---which only the Lord can discern-- are what determines the reason behind Matthew 7:22-23 as I stated before.
We are solemnly warned in the above scripture verses that many will be condemned eternally who "lived a life of good deeds".
It is extremely easy for people to believe one thing based on limited perception. Even our own hearts we do not fully know...mercy.

However, the Word of God outlines how a sincere follower of Christ is to live....
When we do things or live contrary to the Word, our lives (no matter what position we may hold in Christianity) become questionable for some, not for another group and indifferent to more. However, in God's eyes, living contrary to His Word is total disobedience...which God will not honor...regardless if people do.
Not everyone is a disciple of Christ just because he/she "said" or"says" so.
Doing "good deeds" also does NOT automatically qualify one for the Kingdom. Christ examines motives....however a humble, surrendered and obedient heart is mandatory for being His disciple. Even if mistakes are made, the Lord knows the true intentions.
If a person continually, deliberately or in ignorance engages in "bad deeds" (anything opposite of God's character), then it's clear that he/she has not been converted by the power of Christ....and needs to be introduced to Him and changed.

You are very correct ma. GOD bless you for the emphasis

No... only believe in Jesus can take you to heaven... It the same principle God used in the old covenant one instruction don't eat the fruit from the tree one instruction.... This time the same one instruction... Believe.... Believe... Once you believe in Jesus you have eternal life

Myzzyfrazzy:

Sir, please read what I wrote again. It takes more than good deeds to make heaven as a christain

Respectfully, I coming from the opposite direction that It took only one "Bad deed" of Disobedience to wipe out the entire humous man, at a go and a swipe.

Only One Wrong Deed, Destroyed human living.

Myzzyfrazzy:

You are very correct ma. GOD bless you for the emphasis

God bless you too sir.
Whether you know it or not, this was a very timely thread....and was needed for some person(s) to read.

Kingsnairaland:
No... only believe in Jesus can take you to heaven... It the same principle God used in the old covenant one instruction don't eat the fruit from the tree one instruction.... This time the same one instruction... Believe.... Believe... Once you believe in Jesus you have eternal life

Believing is a step but baptism is what saves.
Mark 16:16. Believes and is baptized is saved
1 Peter 3:21 KJV
The x like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Dtruthspeaker:


Respectfully, I coming from the opposite direction that It took only one "Bad deed" of Disobedience to wipe out the entire humous man, at a go and a swipe.

Only One Wrong Deed, Destroyed human living.

Ok sir. But as christains focusing on the opposite dorsnt help. You can't remove darkness from a room but when you bring in light the darkness disappears .same also applies to putting clear water from a tap in a cup of tea with tea. In no distance time you see just water. We strive towards perfection as we walk in the spirit that he gives us after baptism. Act 2: 38 _43

Myzzyfrazzy:

Ok sir. But as christains focusing on the opposite dorsnt help. You can't remove darkness from a room but when you bring in light the darkness disappears .same also applies to putting clear water from a tap in a cup of tea with tea. In no distance time you see just water. We strive towards perfection as we walk in the spirit that he gives us after baptism. Act 2: 38 _43

I understand you but this approach has been taught for centuries and yet it did not work and people did not change. They continue doing the Wrong and Evil.

With a change of approach I see that we have a Duty and Obligation to Do the Good and there is really no reward for our doing good, save the keeping of our lives and soul, for it is our duty (Luke 17:7-10)

Therefore, being our duty to do the good, it is crazy and anomaly that we do not do so. It is even more bewildering and outrageous that we celebrate the doing of the good.

This is Wrong, Very very wrong as Luke 17:7-10 has taught us.

Which is why I say that out job is to be doing good deeds and that the doing of good deeds is normal. And there is nothing to celebrate about doing it. It is only an evil person who celebrates the doing of good for it means you in normal circumstances, you do not and will not do the good deeds, therefore, doing good deeds is an anomaly and an insanity which is not what God Created therefore, Outside God.

Therefore, I counsel the doing of good deeds as normal while looking upon the doing of wickedness as abnormal.

Modified!

Myzzyfrazzy:

Believing is a step but baptism is what saves.
Mark 16:16. Believes and is baptized is saved
1 Peter 3:21 KJV
The x like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

So who Baptised the thieve on the cross

Myzzyfrazzy:

Believing is a step but baptism is what saves.
Mark 16:16. Believes and is baptized is saved
1 Peter 3:21 KJV
The x like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Before you speak know how God works well I can show you many scriptures that shows only believe and at the end Jesus proved it on the cross wise up and learn

As much as I want to stay away, the Holy Spirit keeps bringing me back, and I didnt even know this is here. Hmmmm! This is a subject I am battling with. And this is the root foundational problem of Nigeria. Still planning to stay off. But the burden of Nigeria is heavy on my shoulders.

Myzzyfrazzy:
Question...
Can a man good deeds and philanthropic work save him and get him to Heaven?
Biblical answer and application..
The story of Cornelius ( Acts 10:1-40)
He was described as a man who feared God, give alms to people and prayed always
. But it was not enough...
Peter Preach to him and he was Baptized ( Acts10:38-40)
Can one be saved without baptism?
Mark 16:16 says He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.
Those who have been baptized put on Christ ( Galatians 3:27)..
Jesus show as examples in Matthew 3 when he was baptized...

Bro, you are right with what you put here. But do you remember where Jesus said He will turn away many. There is a reference quoted above. And they will ask when they did Him bad. He said when they refused to feed and cloth their neoghbours. Very deep. This is a criterion for entering heaven. Not saying yours is wrong. Mind you, I said a criterion.

donbachi:
Good deeds/works comes with earthly Blessings...as long as the doer is a sinner..na One way ticket to hell.

Bro, you are correct. I am a living testimony to this. You will enjoy the blessings on earth and even like I pointed out up there, you will in heaven.

It is called the law of sowing and reaping. Even an evil man practises it, the result must manifest. I was entering church some years back and I saw this person handed cash to an old usher. I stepped back. And then, I took note of the cash, i could count 5 pieces of N1,000 when the old usher tried to arrange the money in his pocket, but definitely was more. The giver and I sat beside each other during service and then it was offering time, he paid only N200. I said to myself hmmmm. You know what? I took some of my cash and gave the man on my way out of service. If you see the blessings of that week. Guy, a no dey miss am every Sunday oooo. Not only that man, but many people. Even, I graduated to streets, and not only in church. And lockdown came bro. I didnt even think of blessing anyone again. Guy, I struggled ooo. Until one day I came to my senses and said ..come oooo...when last did I give? As soon as I found a new sets of fertile land, it was like magic. Bro, it started flowing again. Bro, I was shocked.

Eviana:

Anyhow, it's sobering to think that "good works ONLY" are not the final criterion for entering eternity.
It is extremely easy for a person to do good works yet have an evil, corrupt, disobedient (and with unpure motives) heart.
I am reminded of Matthew 7:22-23 (KJV).
22 "Many will say to me in that day, LORD, LORD, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"
23"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
We, oftentimes, are deceived by the true nature of our hearts and think we're okay when we really are not.
We are to DO "good works" because we ARE SAVED....not to "BE SAVED."
Anyone can do "good works" and still be foul in God's eyes.
However, Christ came to set us captives FREE from the clutches of sin. He then works in us His spirit (the fruits)/character and equips us through prayer and the study of His Word to spread the good news to others who are dying in the despair of sin.
Good piece....

I cannot write it better. This is 100% correct. Permit me to use Nigeria as an example. Our politicians loot money, and then use a tiny fraction to do good for a selected group of people. And then, they employ social media influencers to loud the tiny good work. They even pay those ones. The huge money they paid the social media influencers could be used to do good, and the recipients of the goodness would have been organic social media influencers to spread the good. But they choose to pay.

Dtruthspeaker:

We are supposed to do Good Deeds and be Doing Good Deeds and Have A Duty to Do Good Deeds, so this is not the problem.

The Problem is that we do not do Good Deeds but the "Bad Deeds" and it is the "Bad Deeds/Bad thoughts that Condemn you.

You are absolutely correct. The example I wrote above about our politicians says it all. They are supposed to do good their. But doing bad is what we are familiar with now. I would be a bad person if I didnt adopt nepotism in giving out contracts and filling out vacancy posts. My family would turn to be my enemies instantly. Our youths of these days see scamming N.Americans and EU nationals as collecting back our stolen properties, which they say is upright. Hmmmm. It is deep. Our society and the situation there says a lot.

Eviana:

....
The genuine fruit of the Spirit is the evidence of a changed life in Christ.
.....

MOTIVES---which only the Lord can discern-- are what determines the reason behind Matthew 7:22-23 as I stated before.
......

Doing "good deeds" also does NOT automatically qualify one for the Kingdom. Christ examines motives....however a humble, surrendered and obedient heart is mandatory for being His disciple. Even if mistakes are made, the Lord knows the true intentions.
If a person continually, deliberately or in ignorance engages in "bad deeds" (anything opposite of God's character), then it's clear that he/she has not been converted by the power of Christ....and needs to be introduced to Him and changed.

This is well written. The only area I am concerned about is the underline part. I felt same towards someone some years back, but I decided to move closer to the person without judging him. And what I saw when closer when different when I was far.

Some deeds are bad to you (naturally bad), but normal to some other people. I have given 2 examples above - scamming and looting, which are normal hustle to many here, but they are wrong. You may be the one God has reserved to change the person, but if you approach the issue the way it is dealt with in a normal society, you will end up making the person develop a strong resistant.

Now think deeply about this statement: Your ability to put yourself in the position of the person is the way to achieve God's purpose. Try to understand the person. Why would anyone want to deliberately do bad when such knows the dividends of doing good? Sister, do not give up. Press further and talk to the people involved. But be ready to take bullets of insults too. It's all for Christ. When a method fails, must you give up? Pray for another way. Wisdom is needed. Please, dont condemn anyone. Your statement here sounds like you condemn the people (maybe I am wrong, if yes, forgive me). If people have hurt you, talk to them with a sincere heart wanting to understand them. Dont shut yourself out and just conclude. They may teach you lessons you dont know too. And God can use you to help them too. But when you condemn them outrightly, then, you are the one who shut the door of GRACE and MERCY. Dont ever give up.

But the answer you gave here: When you talked about the Holy Spirit is the answer. Being led by the Spirit to do good for the right motive is the answer.

Myzzyfrazzy:

Sir, please read what I wrote again. It takes more than good deeds to make heaven as a christain

Yes, it takes more than good deeds, but step back and take another view and look from the angle the man is looking at it. Bro, you are both saying the same. He is telling you that doing good should be in our nature and we shouldn't even start talking about it as the main criterion. You guys are saying same, but using different approaches.

Kingsnairaland:
No... only believe in Jesus can take you to heaven... It the same principle God used in the old covenant one instruction don't eat the fruit from the tree one instruction.... This time the same one instruction... Believe.... Believe... Once you believe in Jesus you have eternal life

Bro! Only believing in Jesus? Really, I need to research this very well. Cos looking at it from another angle, a man who did evil all his life, and repented on his sick bed even without doing water baptism or whatever, willl He make heaven? Let us reflect on the thief crucified with Jesus. A rule is a rule. Can a rule be bent? If water baptism is a must, can Jesus bend the rule? Can it not be bent again?

And did you read where Eviana pointed out that the ONLY work we are to do which is also a requirement to make heaven is to do good? Read her comment and the bible verse she quoted. Will you ignore that?


My View
When you have the grace to do all the recommendations of Jesus, do it. They are:
1. Confessing Jesus as your savior
2. Water baptism
3. Holy Ghost Baptism
4. Doing good to your neighbour

But here is the gospel truth, you cannot do it by yourself. You must be led. No matter how intellectual you are, you need help and direction. You need power too.

I am not perfect. I pray to be. The flesh is there always to bring one down. I was angry with some people here recently - that is an emotion, and I expressed it. And I recently, I was so sad. Why? Nigeria is the reason. We all know what is happening presently. I was sad. Deeply sad. But in all, we need help and power. This pressure can make one to be brutal. It is normal to be even roll with ones ethnic group following the comments in this Nairaland. It is very easy. We know how it feels. It hurts seeing Nigeria with so huge potentials like this.

And then peanuts from what we deserve are termed "doing good" for us and we must be contented with them. How? Must we not fight for our right? And doing so, believe me....sins abound there. The emotion will be so tensed.

Ok. What about those who have lost their jobs? I am a victim of not qualifying for international contracts cos I'm Nigerian. Is it not enough to blast anyone who says rubbish? While I respect the goodness of others, I have come to realize doing bad itself has a root reason. This we must tackle. You just dont condemn people when you dont know what they face daily. Most likely, you would do worse if you were in their shoes.

Doing good is good. Let us pray for those doing bad to change. Like my brother wrote up there, doing good should be a normal way of life, and we should not see it so special. But Jesus recommended it. Why? Doing good is now very hard to do because Satan has raised the love of doing bad.

May God help us all.

Amen!

PeaceJoyLove:

Bro, you are correct. I am a living testimony to this. You will enjoy the blessings on earth and even like I pointed out up there, you will in heaven.

It is called the law of sowing and reaping. Even an evil man practises it, the result must manifest. I was entering church some years back and I saw this person handed cash to an old usher. I stepped back. And then, I took note of the cash, i could count 5 pieces of N1,000 when the old usher tried to arrange the money in his pocket, but definitely was more. The giver and I sat beside each other during service and then it was offering time, he paid only N200. I said to myself hmmmm. You know what? I took some of my cash and gave the man on my way out of service. If you see the blessings of that week. Guy, a no dey miss am every Sunday oooo. Not only that man, but many people. Even, I graduated to streets, and not only in church. And lockdown came bro. I didnt even think of blessing anyone again. Guy, I struggled ooo. Until one day I came to my senses and said ..come oooo...when last did I give? As soon as I found a new sets of fertile land, it was like magic. Bro, it started flowing again. Bro, I was shocked.

God's Word is Absolutely True! It is Good to be very observant and sensitive to the Word of God. God's Word when Properly Applied is Absolutely True.

PeaceJoyLove:

You are absolutely correct. The example I wrote above about our politicians says it all. They are supposed to do good their. But doing bad is what we are familiar with now. I would be a bad person if I didnt adopt nepotism in giving out contracts and filling out vacancy posts. My family would turn to be my enemies instantly.

Spot on!

The highlighted: Have you started work with Mathew 10: 32-38?

Without knowing that only believe is what you need you will find it hard to understand grace

Grace is un merited favor it is beyond human understanding it peace that passeth understanding no human being can understand it... That how God designed it....

Only God can show you the secrets to his kingdom and it never by works or water baptism those things are just to full fill the laws

PeaceJoyLove:

My View
When you have the grace to do all the recommendations of Jesus, do it...

I am not perfect. I pray to be...

For being alive, therefore we already have the Grace (Power) to do anything. "Whatever they imagine to do, that shall they do" is The Law.

And what do people imagine? Is it not vanities and evil deeds? How to penetrate their neighbours wife and daughter; how to make excess profits; desiring to kill, how to escape from the Hand and Eye of God etc

Thus, if we Truly think and imagine to do Only "the Good" which we are supposed to do, it would be done.

PeaceJoyLove:

But here is the gospel truth, you cannot do it by yourself. You must be led. No matter how intellectual you are, you need help and direction. You need power too.

No man is Alone for God is Already with us. John 1: 4 and 9.

Dtruthspeaker:

The highlighted: Have you started work with Mathew 10: 32-38?

Exactly! Mat10.32-38 says it all.

Dtruthspeaker:


For being alive, therefore we already have the Grace (Power) to do anything. "Whatever they imagine to do, that shall they do" is The Law.

And what do people imagine? Is it not vanities and evil deeds? How to penetrate their neighbours wife and daughter; how to make excess profits; desiring to kill, how to escape from the Hand and Eye of God etc

Thus, if we Truly think and imagine to do Only "the Good" which we are supposed to do, it would be done.


No man is Alone for God is Already with us. John 1: 4 and 9.

I actually did not get what you were saying about "imagination", but I read it again, and I understood you. You are quite right.

And about the underlined sentence, well you are right in a way. But that's not what I meant. My point is that we need the help of God. I am talking about not using the natural force and wisdom. But I guess you saying God is already with us probably share the same opinion with me.

My big concern is the point you made. It is why I love discussing. You nailed it when you said "doing good" is what should flow naturally from us. But the devil has made doing bad to flow from us naturally. And we see doing good as something so special. And people want to use doing good as the only criterion to make heaven. Of course not. And then, the standard is even dropping fast (not gradually again).

Americans and British here do not get it. I understand them, but they need to understand the present society and the present state Nigeria is. The standard has dropped drastically. I went through the curriculum of elementary schools, and I can see it. Even, the old days early morning and closing prayers we tagged "assembling" in our days is gone. I used Songs of Praises in my elementary school, and Sacred Songs and Solos in High school. These days, they dont even do it. The subject "Moral Instruction" has been scrapped.

And I think I read it somewhere where a lady here talked about a popular cartoon popular character in the US the producers decided to turn gay. Like the hero of the American children turned gay. Yeah! It's cool. So, the spirit of gay is sown in the children there, and they start telling you it's inborn. Whereas, they deliberately dropped the standard. A new standard is being used these days.

Bro, though, I agree God is with us, but Eviana said it all. We need Holy Spirit. We just need Him. Really, the standard is getting low these days that they want to make us think we do not need the Holy Spirit. And if they succeed. Waooo! The Holy Spirit will walk away permanently cos it is in His character not to force Himself. And it will be disastrous.

This thread has taught me we need to discuss and not debate. At times we say the same thing but with different views.

Really, almost everyone here has something good to say.

Kingsnairaland:
Without knowing that only believe is what you need you will find it hard to understand grace

Bro, the angle you are seeing it is absolutely correct. I love what you are trying to say. I know about grace. Oh! I get you brother. The other is "Mercy".

Kingsnairaland:
Grace is un merited favor it is beyond human understanding it peace that passeth understanding no human being can understand it... That how God designed it....

Grace is Unmeritted Favor.
Mercy is Unmeritted compassion.
Bro, the one you should even talk about more here which is more applicable to this subject is mercy. It explains what you are saying. Bro, it is why when leading one to Christ, when the person has lived a rough life, or at the point of death, the smartest thing to do is seek for the Mercy of God. Yes, I understand you. You know I asked you many questions when I mentioned you previously. The mercy of God overrules laws. The thief at the right hand of God received mercy and the whole water baptism, spirit baptism, were skipped. So, the people who say just believe alone understand this principle well.

But the principle of mercy has rules too. Let's read this:
What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
Romans 6:1‭-‬2 NIV

Grace will stop in.the midst of sins. Not committing sin require good works from us. This is the pure truth.

I asked for mercy daily. I have talked about a weakness of mine above. Though, people judge me daily. I dont care. I know the recipe. But that I know the recipe doesnt mean I should not make attempt to do better. Come on! The Holy Spirit wants to fellowship with me. So, must I use the availability of Mercy amd Favor as an excuse to ignore Him?

While I know the role of Mercy and Grace, I know the role of FAITH too. And I know when to use my COMMON SENSE which is not common. At the same time, I know the works Jesus has suggested I should do. Jesus did not change the 10 commandments. Do not covet your neigbours wife. Bros, when she is attractive and giving you the signal to penetrate like my other brother has said above, mercy and favor cannot save you bros. You must be disciplined.. and that comes with your personal effort. Effort is work. According to Physics, you can measure work in Joules. Bros, na real work.

Our point is that we cannot ignore other vital points and just pick a portion from the Bible and stand on it. You must read wide, put all side by side so you get the whole details. And you are equipped to make a better and smarter decision. Even decisions we make in life and executing them are work. But favor makes everything very easy. And Mercy saves us from troubles and condemnation.

PeaceJoyLove:

Bro, the angle you are seeing it is absolutely correct. I love what you are trying to say. I know about grace. Oh! I get you brother. The other is "Mercy".

Grace is Unmeritted Favor.
Mercy is Unmeritted compassion.
Bro, the one you should even talk about more here which is more applicable to this subject is mercy. It explains what you are saying. Bro, it is why when leading one to Christ, when the person has lived a rough life, or at the point of death, the smartest thing to do is seek for the Mercy of God. Yes, I understand you. You know I asked you many questions when I mentioned you previously. The mercy of God overrules laws. The thief at the right hand of God received mercy and the whole water baptism, spirit baptism, were skipped. So, the people who say just believe alone understand this principle well.

But the principle of mercy has rules too. Let's read this:
What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
Romans 6:1‭-‬2 NIV

Grace will stop in.the midst of sins. Not committing sin require good works from us. This is the pure truth.

I asked for mercy daily. I have talked about a weakness of mine above. Though, people judge me daily. I dont care. I know the recipe. But that I know the recipe doesnt mean I should not make attempt to do better. Come on! The Holy Spirit wants to fellowship with me. So, must I use the availability of Mercy amd Favor as an excuse to ignore Him?

While I know the role of Mercy and Grace, I know the role of FAITH too. And I know when to use my COMMON SENSE which is not common. At the same time, I know the works Jesus has suggested I should do. Jesus did not change the 10 commandments. Do not covet your neigbours wife. Bros, when she is attractive and giving you the signal to penetrate like my other brother has said above, mercy and favor cannot save you bros. You must be disciplined.. and that comes with your personal effort. Effort is work. According to Physics, you can measure work in Joules. Bros, na real work.

Our point is that we cannot ignore other vital points and just pick a portion from the Bible and stand on it. You must read wide, put all side by side so you get the whole details. And you are equipped to make a better and smarter decision. Even decisions we make in life and executing them are work. But favor makes everything very easy. And Mercy saves us from troubles and condemnation.

John 6:29

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


........ In order words what God is saying is believe in Jesus is doing work so if you are desperate to add something to your salvation God is saying then that believes in Christ is a work

People with canal mindset always think they can do something to please God that is correct from common mind set but totally incorrect from the scripture..

Don't get me wrong doing good is good but that still is not what guaranty everlasting life that a hard truth to swallow

Now another mind blowing thing is that it God that enables you to believe you can't comprehend Jesus with your own mindset it God that will open your spiritual eye to understand and believe

Kingsnairaland:


John 6:29

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


........ In order words what God is saying is believe in Jesus is doing work so if you are desperate to add something to your salvation God is saying then that believes in Christ is a work

Please, kindly show where is is written that you must only believe in Christ. And that is all. Please, show everything clearly.

And then refute:
1. Water baptism
2.Being born of spirit
3. Working towards living a sinless life.

And please explain how not to live a sinless life without working towards it.

You keep talking of canal mindset and bla bla bla. And you keep talking of what guarantees eternal life. Are you saying Jesus that commanded us to do good works towards our neighbour in the Bible verses you saw above is confused that he didnt mean it? Please, explain what the bible portion mean: dear lord, when did we not feed you or cloth you? And he said what you didnt do it for your neighbor? Please, what is carnal mindset here? Or how do you interpret this? Is it not Jesus himself that have this example? Why are you overruling it? Please, answer cos you want to sound like the Holy person who knows God more than everyone else here. We walk in canal by explaining what Jesus said, but you walk in what exactly? You arent serious. Cos I dont understand you.

Please, look at the examples and refute them. Just stop the nonsense if you live in whatever. You talked of Grace like only you know about it. But I explained to you that its mercy you want to say. Grace is favor. In this case, its mercy which is compassion. Meaning, you dont even understand it, yet, you are talking canal whatever. At times, its very funny how you people just come online to confuse many.

A beg, a no get your time for this. Nigeria on my mind. Maybe it is uncommon favor you will recommend for Nigeria. Of course not. We will work to make Nigeria better also. If you like listen. If you like dont. You must work out your faith also. If you think it's all rest on calvary, you are deceiving yourself.. the earlier you wake up that you must work hard to strive to live a sinless life. Prayer is hard work. You must pray. Interceeding is hard work. You must do it. Fasting is hard work, you must fast. Stop living in an unrealistic world.

If you like keep deceiving yourself. You.heard it loud that even we should not be talking of good works as something special. My brother said, commom sense should tell us it is the right thing to do. Yet you come here to preach laziness in Christ. My own Jesus does not preach laziness in him. Jesus fasted 40 days and 40 nights. That's real work. Stop deceiving yourself sir. Wake up..It's your cup of tea if you dont want to accept. You are free to continue living your sinful life believing just saying Jesus is Lord will take you home. Living a sinless life is real work. To kill the flesh is real work. You discipline yourself.

What kind of favor will rescue you from an erected p.enis when a beautiful babe is damn alone with you and easy to quickly do some rounds without anyone knowing? Its work you must do to control yourself. Let me tell you the truth, at that moment, it's the work you have done (self control or how well you have disciplined yourself) that is most likely to safe you from your erected p.enis. Favor cannotnsave you in this case.

Goodluck!

PeaceJoyLove:

But I guess you saying God is already with us probably share the same opinion with me.

That is what I am saying. We have God's Help Already.

PeaceJoyLove:

But the devil has made doing bad to flow from us naturally.

And i say that we (including God in us) can change that setting to do the good naturally.

But this is the real problem people are facing on this issue for there are certain pertinent questions that must be asked and properly resolved.

1) Do I Truly l want to be doing the good?
2) Do I Truly know all the good that I want and need to do?
3) How long am I Truly going to keep at doing the good?
4) Am I aware that there is going to be a price to be paid for walking on this path?
5) Do I know the Price or Prices I am going to have to pay to properly undertake this venture?
6) Do I Truly want to make such payments for it?
7) Would I pay that price or prices if I find it inconvenient, painful and uncomfortable?

There are still some other questions which flow immediately after these sets of questions, but I'll stop at these.

Most people say that they intend to do the good but they do not take it very seriously that this enterprise also requires due preparation and knowledge before it can be properly undertaken and executed exactly as we do over any engagement we are interested in undertaking eg, employment, business enterprise, marriage etc

But when it comes to God and obeying His Laws people are very much happy to wait for God energize and motivate them, but when they want to any activity they like, they have even first acted before they call on The Lord's help.

PeaceJoyLove:

Bro, though, I agree God is with us, but Eviana said it all. We need Holy Spirit.

Remember The Holy Spirit is God also and as you said, God is with us, therefore, we already have The Holy Spirit.

know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1 Corinthians 6:19

Dtruthspeaker:

Remember The Holy Spirit is God also and as you said, God is with us, therefore, we already have The Holy Spirit.

know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1 Corinthians 6:19

I do not dispute God is with us; however, I have really learned. And there are so many teachings out there. Most people cannot be like me. Of course, I use my common sense. And Paul hinself talked about using our common sense. But it's getting clear that common sense is uncommon these days. Why? Something else has replaced it.

When there are many counterfeits, just know there is an original.

Everything He created is good, but evil has made almost everything bad to the extent it's just in the church one is save.

God is with is, but the promise is not for everybody. Until one fulfills the requirements to walk in GRACE.

If the whole truth is: God is with us and that's all....then, we do not need to put any effort again. So, why do we need to pray, read our bible daily? Have you forgotten the song?.

[i]Read your bible
Pray everyday /2 times
Read your Bible
Prayer Everyday
If you want to grow/2 times
If you want to grow ow ow ow
Read your everyday
If you.want to grow.

When you do not fellowship with Him, He will leave you. It is a FACT which is easy. Just try it. Except the fellow is sent to deceive people is when he preaches that hjst know GOD alone and God is always with us. If you fail to grow, you decay. Meaning God is not with you.

Back to the statement: We dont need to consider the good we do cos it is what we need to do. Yeah! I said I agree with you, I went further that the standard has dropped. And we dont need to do "Macho" and ignore the truth. Listen bro, doing good these days requires real effort. The effort which weren't there in the old. Why? Doing bad is so easy these day. And doing bad was so hard before. Lol. Things we do effortlessly in the olden days, we cant again..

I dont know your age. But it will be easier if you arent a Millennial. If you are, if will be hard for you to accept the truth easily.

I was talking to a brother earlier today and he said he doesnt accept my school of thought. His opinion is that there is nothing wrong in sharing the "national cake". National cake sharing is partaking in looting public funds, diverting contracts to oneself by registering a company and awarding the same company contracts and govt jobs, supplying inferior, etc.. And he proved himself right in his eyes. How? If you dont join them, they kill you. And if you dont work you go hungry. So, what do you want to do? I just said it is well. I used to criticize seriously those working in government and looting our fund, but he told me it is cos I dont work there I think it is easy just to walk away from joining them. Well, I just thank God. It means if one wants to do good, one must sacrifice a lot. It is easy the way you are trying to say it here, but the truth is that the standard has dropped. Doing evil is so convenient and getting normal to the extent doing good requires the GRACE of God. You start depending on God's favor to eat cos one needs to quit his job so as not to be corrupt. Cos you.dont join these people looting, they feel threatened you will expose them and kill you. How many can do it?

God is with us does not mean He will stay with us in sin. He will leave. If He won't leave the Bible won't talk about grieving the Holy Spirit.

I do not know your position about God with us, and should not be a subject we start debating, but if you are a Christian, you will know that you need God daily to do what we are made to do easily if things arent bad. You need to keep your antenna sharp and listen to God more than before so as to do good which we used to do effortlessly.

you can get direction. If you keep saying He is with you, and you dont fellowship with Him, you will lose Him. But you will just be shouting God is here and bla.bla.bla. You will not even know. Empty barrel jjat making the loudest noise (I am not saying you, but it's what happens in real life)..

Bro, it is easy to preach the gospel when you are not in MONEY. It is why I said, I dont know your age. And really, the way you are stressing "God with us", I am beginning to see why I dont need to explain further with you cos it seem you dont have enough life experience.

I haven't even talked about principalities and rulers of this world. Try doing good, and see if they won't try to deal with you. Yes, God is with us. But try it. Except you are one of them trying to deceive many. Is it people who are evil to the extent to transacting the future and stars of babies one copes with gently? Those Jehovah Witnesses boys can comprehend the extent of evil and how easy it is to do now, and it's why they shut themselves out. But I preach the gospel of hope. Now is the time to fight and wrestle with the principalities, powers and rulers of this world. Some will even say you dont needs such crap cos Jesus is Lord over all. Ok ooo. Jesus is Lord over all yet we are in mess in africa. We are so religious here, yet we are backward. Go to the front page and see the extent tribal war and conflict is so high. I do not think anyone who lived in the 1930s to 1970s can ever think tribal war can be this. This same Fulani killing people are so friendly in the olden days. They carry only sticks to guide cattle and children played with them in those days. They are accepted everywhere. It is why I said I am.not sure where you are. If you are Millennial, I must just stop cos you won't understand. I am almost joining them in this tribal war.

It's easy for someone who is outside Naija to criticize us now, but let such person come here too and lets see how far. They criticize our young men for telling lies to get visas to other nations. Bro was it bad like this in the 70s? I have many black americans who are Nigerian origin, and they are so quick to judge us. But must we also use the excuse as a reason to engage in doing bad? Oh! You should not tell lies in the application fee. Yes, I know. But please, dont judge our boys. There is no job. Where do you want them see the money needed? So, they do fake. Does it justify it? Does it make it right before God? But see....its easy for you there to judge our boys. It is normal to even plan with your wife (maybe husband too but not common) now and marry the innocent girl there., dump her later, and move your wife and kids there. And the wife always approves everything. She knows your p.enis will work wonders with the lady there. She doesnt care again. She doesn care the extent you are going to hurt the other lady there. She plays the sister's role when the guy is talking to the girl. She doesnt care again. It is no more if it is bad. It is now: you are stupid if you get the opportunity and you dont use it. And you are telling me God is with you. Bro, you must fight now. The standard of evil is rampant and the standard of good has dropped drastically.

We preach till death do us part when it comes to marrying our fellow nigerians, but it is normal to divorce when dealing with foreigners. Lol. Even pastors do it. It is ow normal. It is a sin when you divorce your Nogerian wife and everyone frowns against it. But divorcing your foreign wife to marry a Nogerian girl is normal. Marrying a d divorving a foreign girl is so normal now. Yet, we will come to NL to preach holiness and God with us. Hmmmm! What kind of standard have we set for ourselves? Can you dear go to bank and and ask for fake statment of bank slip into those days?

The ONLY way out is growing in the Spirit. Why is pastorpreneur so lucrative now? I laughed when one JW guy used the word. He is right though? Cos evil is so rampant now and normal. So, how do you know the truth? How do you.know which pastor is real? How do you know this Nigerian boy is not deceiving you? You use human skill like checking and monitoring him, you destroy the friendship. Yet, you love him but cannot be with him cos you are scared. How do you know what to do?

Bro, what can you do these days without bribing people in Nigeria? Can you really confidently say the papers you have to apply for Visa is 100% real? You may find a way to make it legal, but is the legality right in the presence of God? Where you even plan with bankers to manipulate the cash flow in your account, and when the embassy tries to confirm, they see it there. But if you dont do it, you stay in the dungeon called Nigeria. How many people can afford the kind of money needed to get Visa? Tell me.

Do not let me start with driving attitude. Bro, I quit driving for my sanity.

I have written too much here. You need God. You need the Holy Spirit. If you say He is always with you, fine. I am not going to start arguing with you. But a powerful christian understands my point. I dont need to prove anything. But just try to practise some of the things I have written. And see if they are true or not. It is unfortunate many dont questions what they are taught in their churches.

Bro, read your Bible, pray everyday if you want to grow. Period!

Common sense is uncommon these days
Evil is so convenient to do, and
Good is getting extremely harder daily.
Renewal of our mind in the word of God daily is so essential these days.
And we need to fellowship more with the Holy Spirit so we can be led and guided.
Therefore, we need the Holy Spirot more than before.

Good morning sir!

And then refute:
1. Water baptism
2.Being born of spirit
3. Working towards living a sinless life.


I told you the above is to full fill all righteousness

Just because you believe don't mean you can be in sin because he who believes can't live in sin because sin and christ are at war so any sin within u will be dealt with by the rrighteousness of Christ in u

Kingsnairaland:
And then refute:
1. Water baptism
2.Being born of spirit
3. Working towards living a sinless life.


I told you the above is to full fill all righteousness

Just because you believe don't mean you can be in sin because he who believes can't live in sin because sin and christ are at war so any sin within u will be dealt with by the rrighteousness of Christ in u

Please show us where it is written in the Bible the underlined part. You better know what to write or say. You are one of the false teachers. Or maybe you just want to be wannabe. No explanation. Just making statements he knows nothing about. A beg, leave this one alone. Let him continue in his false teachings. This one is why atheism is rampant these days. Imagine what he is writing. Nonsense! A beg, stop this nonsense. Go to a living church and learn. Stop trying to confuse people. And dont make affirmative sentences which are clearly against the word of God. Imagine saying what Jesus instructed is to fulfill all righteousness. Waooooo!