AntiChristian:
Why do Catholics pray to graven images, dead saints, angels, etc?

This is akin to idolatry!

Genuflecting to an image of Mary or the altar of the purported crucifixion of Jesus...abi one saint Ignatius of Loyola!

HONESTFACT101:
You can as well ask why Muslim pay respects to pedophiles

AntiChristian:
Why do Catholics pray to graven images, dead saints, angels, etc?

This is akin to idolatry!

Genuflecting to an image of Mary or the altar of the purported crucifixion of Jesus...abi one saint Ignatius of Loyola!

Chijeep:

1st when your GO offers you a handshake or gift and you genuflect, does your genuflecting means you're worshipping him?

2ndly, You call saint dead! Even Jesus christ used dead abraham to teach the Jews when he spoke of the rich man and Lazarus. And also, dead Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus, so you can see that you're totally wrong when you call saint dead because jesus showed it that they are still alive even after death on earth.

3rd craven images was also the creature that Solomon craved in angelic form and placed them in the temple he built and the bronze serpent Moses made was also a craven image.

It's very clear that you're among those that study Bible in order to deceive people and not to gain knowledge in your route to salvation

AntiChristian:


Firstly, i don't bow/prostrate for anybody except my creator. Who be GO?

Yes we can draw lessons from dead people but ain't they dead? They remain dead. The saints are dead. Anyone who can die is powerless! Only God who created death cannot be subjected to the will of any of His creations! Praying to Saints, Prophets, Mary, Jesus and other dead people especially with graven images is idolatry!

Your Bible says Moses died at 120. He died o! To us in this world they are dead!
Dead means not living as we are!




So you mean Moses and Solomon were also praying to those graven images as you do today? It is part of the 10 commandments not worship any graven image of any creature. Why look for excuse about?

And for the records is it Solomon you are following now or Moses?

Why is it so hard for you to worship your Creator instead of worshiping what you create by yourself?



I'm not even a Christian. I went to a Catholic boarding school where I saw firsthand all the idolatry. The mass, Angelus, catechism, stations of the cross, hail Mary, lent, etc.

Chijeep:

So you don't bend to greet someone?
And you're not even a Christian and you're here disturbing my peace.
Believe what do ever you want, heaven isn't meant for everyone.

Chijeep:

1st when your GO offers you a handshake or gift and you genuflect, does your genuflecting means you're worshipping him?
2ndly, You call saint dead! Even Jesus christ used dead abraham to teach the Jews when he spoke of the rich man and Lazarus. And also, dead Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus, so you can see that you're totally wrong when you call saint dead because jesus showed it that they are still alive even after death on earth.
3rd craven images was also the creature that Solomon craved in angelic form and placed them in the temple he built and the bronze serpent Moses made was also a craven image.

It's very clear that you're among those that study Bible in order to deceive people and not to gain knowledge in your route to salvation

Kobojunkie:
1. When a GO offers you a handshake and in your mind you perceive you have touched a God, that is definitely idolatry.

2. Jesus Christ never asked anyone to pray to anyone, dead or alive, but to His Father and in His name alone.

3. Jesus Christ said you cannot serve two masters for either you serve the will of one and hate the other or you are loyal to the one and not the other.

4. If you are still working on getting saved(Salvation) , when will you ever get to actually becoming a Son of God - John 8 vs 31 - 44 ?

Chijeep:

1st when your GO offers you a handshake or gift and you genuflect, does your genuflecting means you're worshipping him?
2ndly, You call saint dead! Even Jesus christ used dead abraham to teach the Jews when he spoke of the rich man and Lazarus. And also, dead Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus, so you can see that you're totally wrong when you call saint dead because jesus showed it that they are still alive even after death on earth.
3rd craven images was also the creature that Solomon craved in angelic form and placed them in the temple he built and the bronze serpent Moses made was also a craven image.

It's very clear that you're among those that study Bible in order to deceive people and not to gain knowledge in your route to salvation

Chijeep:

1st when your GO offers you a handshake or gift and you genuflect, does your genuflecting means you're worshipping him?
2ndly, You call saint dead! Even Jesus christ used dead abraham to teach the Jews when he spoke of the rich man and Lazarus. And also, dead Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus, so you can see that you're totally wrong when you call saint dead because jesus showed it that they are still alive even after death on earth.
3rd craven images was also the creature that Solomon craved in angelic form and placed them in the temple he built and the bronze serpent Moses made was also a craven image.

It's very clear that you're among those that study Bible in order to deceive people and not to gain knowledge in your route to salvation

josh123:
Because God was made flesh. People wey go enter hell go plenty because of their ignorance. The bible stated it boldly "thou shall not bow down to any graven image" u guys no dey read bible? RELIGION Shall be all u lot do

josh123:
catholics are idol worshippers. About moses snake God told them to look at it not bow to it. The ark was to signify God's presence christ was not present then, when christ came, the ark worshipping stopped because God w

Chijeep:

1. Thinking!!! So how did you know the mind of those who genuflect that they are worshipping the image?
2. Your own Bible started from new testament
Ok continue deceiving yourself.
3. So if someone respect your friend and respect his mom also he have committed a sin abi?
Continue... when the time comes your ignorance won't save you. And besides, have you ever heard a catholic saying that he worship Mary?
4. You won't tell me that Jesus christ is lazy for not doing evangelism alone, will you? So why the need for Apostles?

Chijeep:

Thou shalt not bow to graven image...!
So someone who bows to greet his parents will go to hell fire abi?
Why is it hard for people to understand the Scripture in a way that connotes life?
You continue to reflect on this portion of old testament because it suits your likeness.
Ok, lemme ask u... do ur church use insence? Do ur church dedicates every 1st born of a parent to the church?
But just because you want to criticize you rush and hold on to this... didn't Moses bowed his face down to the burning tree? Or is not an image on earth also?

josh123:
Stfu, i meant bowing down to worship stop turning my word

Kobojunkie:
1. I don't need to know the mind of anyone. I just need to know what God says about a thing and anyone who set as a role model is an idol/master over you and Jesus Christ was clear that idol worship is against God and a sin in His Kingdom.

2. Well, the book may have two major Covenant detailed in it but God never called anyone who does not have the blood of Jacob in His vein to following the Old Covenant Law of Moses. God Himself excluded all those of gentile birth from that agreement so if you think you can follow God by looking for excuses in the Old Covenant, you are deceiving yourself since God is against those who would think themselves wiser than He is - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20.

Jesus Christ is the New Covenant that God chose to welcome those of us of gentile birth into an agreement with and Jesus Christ is the Law in the Kingdom of God to which God calls you to become a part of. Any attempt at adding or removing from God's Law, Jesus Christ, is a sin and such doctrines, and traditions an abomination against God Himself - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14.

3. Jesus Christ made it perfectly clear that anyone who does not abandon father, mother, children, wife, husband, friends, bosses, career, etc., is not worthy of Him(nor His Kingdom) - Luke 14 vs 25 - 27 . If your "respect" for those you list translates to your obedience of them, Jesus Christ tells you there will be none of that for those who will be worthy of Him.

The word "worship" means to "serve and obey". That is the only kind of worship God declares honors Him. Jesus Christ added that those who love Him, are not those who obey their fathers, mothers, husbands, wives, in-laws , etc., but those who obey Him and Him alone.- John 14 vs 20- 25. He alone is Teacher, Master, Head, Shepherd, Leader/authority, Helper etc., to each and everyone of those who belong to Him and they all have only one Father, and He is in Heaven - Matthew 23 vs 6-10.

4. What is it you think Salvation is about? What do you know that is you are saved from?

Chijeep:

So who told you that we're worshipping them when we bow down. Those images av bn consencreted by the power of d holy spirit and that's why we bow to humility. They're sacred and it's not only images we genuflect to, even d Bible.
So nowadays Christians won't notice that bcox of pride just like Lucifer then

Chijeep:

You're not answering my question...
Is it only new testament that your own Bible start with?
It's people like you that gave muslims the chance to criticize the church because you Divide everything in the Bible to suit yourself. You're here shouting new covenant... is giving tithes in the new testament?
Show me a portion where Jesus collected tithe from anyone?

Kobojunkie:
1.i clearly answered your question. The old testament is there for knowledge purposes, not for you to follow or live by. Jesus Christ is instead the one you are called, and this by God, to live by.

2. It is instead those who pretend they belong to Jesus Christ, but instead live according to rules and ideas of their own imaginings that give the world the chance it has to criticize them for their hypocrisy.

3. I didn't divide the Bible for anyone, the book remains as it was to you. God is the one who gave His Old Covenant Law of Moses to only those descended of the blood of Jacob - excluding those of gentile birth from that plan of His. God is the one who divided the world as described in your Bible into two nations... the Jewish and the Gentile nations - I did none of that. And it is also God Himself who sent Jesus Christ as His New Covenant which He then extended to tjse of gentile birth.

4. Tithing and offering are defined and designed by God as part of His Old Covenant Law of Moses for living in the land of Canaan. Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant, is a separate and different Law from the Old Covenant Law. So why do you expect that which belongs to the Old Covenant to also be found in the New Covenant?

5. I still would like to know what your understanding of Salvation ,as taught by Jesus Christ , is, this since you had claimed you were still working on it. What does salvation save you from and why?

josh123:
no worry u go settle ur matter with baba when u reach judgement ground, na there ur eyes go clear

Chijeep:

1. The old testament is for knowledge? So the new testament doesn't teaches anything or it's thoughtless? You too hear ursef na... So Jesus christ that said he didn't came 2 abolish d law of Moses didn't know what he was saying right? He clearly knows that people like you who love to pick suitable portions of the Bible will still com and be confusing other people.
2. This one clearly define you... Jesus christ is the only way...and you also had of where dey say christ is the head and we're the body? So what if Jesus is the head and mary is the neck and you yourself confusing others isn't even a part of the body? Those who are faithful to God will forever remain part of that body which christ talked about. Idols are not those who worship God and becomes saint, they're those who didn't believe in God. Sango, Amadioha n the rest will never tell you they're following christ. So get that.
3. Maybe you'll have to wait till another christ comes so that he can bring another law to those in Africa.
Gentiles are those who didn't believe in law of Moses (God) and they've been existing even since the time of Elijah (Baal) and they'll continue to be existing just like muslims of today. So you can still see it here that am not wrong. You're dividing d Bible to suit ursef.
4. You see what I'm saying you're confusing ursef. Tithes is in the old testament and Jesus is in the new testament. So why is it that you don't speak against tithes because it not part of new covenant?
5. Salvation is making heaven my friend.
If you live 99yrs on earth being righteous and holy and you live your last 1yr sinful then you're going to hell.
So, this should make u understand dat christianity is more than a religion, it's a culture. You av to kip practicing it and maintaining holiness till the end to become a member of heaven and you must accept everything not the one you're throwing away some and accepting the one that suit u.

Chijeep:

Your ignorance won't save you.
You think you know it all? Let me tell you, your problem is pride. If Catholic is a false religion it would've been destroyed by now. Catholic church have bn existing even before your great grand parents and you of today with ur chicken brain want to be the boss.
Ok.... continue

josh123:
Go and read the atrocities catholics did during past centuries

Kobojunkie:
READ TO COMPREHEND FIRST!

1. Again, the Old Testament is for knowledge, the New Covenant, Jesus Christ is for you to follow/live by. If you do not understand what following or living by a Law,in this case, Jesus Christ, mean, ask.

Jesus Christ made it clear to those who born of the blood of Jacob that He did not come to abolish the Old Covenant Law of Moses, but instead to fulfill on the behalf of the Lost sheep of Israel to whom He was sent.

You, a gentile, were never included in the Old Covenant agreement by God Almighty Himself- Deuteronomy 30 vs 15-20. If you don't even know of that by now, ask.

2. There is only one Head/Master and one body and Jesus Christ is the Head/Master, the Controller, the Leader over His Body.

3. Read to comprehend! The world in the Bible is divided up into two groups- Jews and non-Jews or gentiles. The jews are those who have the blood of Jacob in their veins whereas the non-Jews or gentiles are the rest who are not of the blood ot Jacob. This is not rocket science!

4. Again, read to comprehend! I already informed you that Tithing has nothing to do with New Covenant, Jesus Christ. In ABC terms, that means that Tithing, in addition to idolatry, are against God aka sins.

5.Salvation according to Jesus Christ , in John 3 vs 21, does not guarantee anyone Heaven or righteousness. Salvation is the first step for one who believes as he/she is saved from the judgement God inflicted on mankind since Adam, and in its place is gifted with Eternal life(grace). What you probably dont realize is that all those who will end up in Hell, also believe in Jesus Christ and so have eternal life too.

You are meant to proceed beyond salvation in seeking to enter into the Kingdom of God through the narrow gate that leads to Heaven rather than entering through the broad gate that leads to destruction-Hell - Matthew 7 vs 13 -14

Chijeep:

1. Why did the Bible traced jesus christ gene to Adam? Must he av 2 do dat wen d old testament doesn't count? Yes or No... do your church collect tithe? If yes, y did they av to copy from old testament... because it's money abi? Ok, continue.
2. So who are the body? If Peter and paul who extends d gospel to u d gentile ar part of d body den y will Mary whom brought d messiah in2 d world be excluded? U see dat u r just picking d ones dat suit u.
in d time of Jesus you will surely be among those persecutors bcox u will say dat Moses did not giv us his body 2 eat but y will dx man give us his body n say we will av life wen we eat it?
3. So there's no where in your Bible where it stated that d gospel is not only for the Jews but also 4 d gentiles?
Moral:- both the jews and d gentiles are in need of d gospel same way why d ppl practicing d law of Moses are also saved wen dey believe in christ.
4. Do your church takes tithes and offering? I don't ask if u ursef pay tithes ooo... I said ur church?
5. Believing is of different kinds... if ur bliv don't get 2 ur mind den dat a foul n if u bliv u won't live in sin rather in grace even if u sinned u will seek 4 4giveness.
Let me give u an example, if a child is born he becomes alive but for d baby to be strong he needs immunizations. So if u accept christ u must make sure dat u receive d holy spirit to sustain ur belief n sum1 like don't possess d spirit bcox u only look 4 criticisms

Kobojunkie:
READ TO COMPREHEND FIRST!

1. Again, the Old Testament is for knowledge, the New Covenant, Jesus Christ is for you to follow/live by. If you do not understand what following or living by a Law,in this case, Jesus Christ, mean, ask.

Jesus Christ made it clear to those who born of the blood of Jacob that He did not come to abolish the Old Covenant Law of Moses, but instead to fulfill on the behalf of the Lost sheep of Israel to whom He was sent.

You, a gentile, were never included in the Old Covenant agreement by God Almighty Himself- Deuteronomy 30 vs 15-20. If you don't even know of that by now, ask.

2. There is only one Head/Master and one body and Jesus Christ is the Head/Master, the Controller, the Leader over His Body.

3. Read to comprehend! The world in the Bible is divided up into two groups- Jews and non-Jews or gentiles. The jews are those who have the blood of Jacob in their veins whereas the non-Jews or gentiles are the rest who are not of the blood ot Jacob. This is not rocket science!

4. Again, read to comprehend! I already informed you that Tithing has nothing to do with New Covenant, Jesus Christ. In ABC terms, that means that Tithing, in addition to idolatry, are against God aka sins.

5.Salvation according to Jesus Christ , in John 3 vs 21, does not guarantee anyone Heaven or righteousness. Salvation is the first step for one who believes as he/she is saved from the judgement God inflicted on mankind since Adam, and in its place is gifted with Eternal life(grace). What you probably dont realize is that all those who will end up in Hell, also believe in Jesus Christ and so have eternal life too.

You are meant to proceed beyond salvation in seeking to enter into the Kingdom of God through the narrow gate that leads to Heaven rather than entering through the broad gate that leads to destruction-Hell - Matthew 7 vs 13 -14

Kobojunkie:
Again....

Chijeep:

So you don't take tithes In your church

Kobojunkie:
First of all, I am not a Churchian but instead a one who follows Jesus Christ.

And by the way, do you not give Offerings or donations to your churches? Did you conveniently skip the part where I mentioned that Tithes & Offerings ( or what you refer to as offertory) are part of the Old Covenant, and not of Jesus Christ?

Chijeep:

I read everything n I read again b4 giving my replies.
So now let's set craven images aside bcox it seems that d dogma is higher dan ur reasoning.
Coming to tithes and offering, if u don't go 2 church den it means av bn wasting my time since. But d issue of offering n tithes, so why did the early church sold all dey av n render d money for d Apostles?
My friend, u self believe av bn ruining u n u r too blind 2 c it.
Money n worldly things doesn't make man rich, it's d sacrifice u do n giving is also one of it. If u don't give 2 d church den u r part of ppl who tends 2 bring down d body of christ bcox evrytin in dx world need 2 b taking care of including church