I've seen this design alot on clothes and other stuff but I used to think it originated from the hausa/fulani but I later found out that it's actually the knot of Solomon first used by Yoruba royals in Africa thousands of years ago.
Why then is it used as a representation of arewa groups?

Now they know. Hisbal will likely wage in and the logo will be changed.

Solomon's knot (Latin: sigillum Salomonis, literally 'Solomon's seal') is a traditional decorative motif used since ancient times, and found in many cultures

SlyDev:
Solomon's knot (Latin: sigillum Salomonis, literally 'Solomon's seal') is a traditional decorative motif used since ancient times, and found in many cultures

Yes...but not found in the hausa/fulani culture.

Wondering same

The Yoruba People introduce the solomon's knot in this part of the world. [/b]Yoruba's Adé has it embbeded in it. Infact, Yoruba ancient attires such as asho ofi, asho oke, etc have this pattern embbeded in in them. Furthermore, the introduction of Solomon's knot in Nigeria's currency came through Yoruba.

McLizbae:
Now they know. Hisbal will likely wage in and the logo will be changed.

McLizbae:
Now they know. Hisbal will likely wage in and the logo will be changed.

Lol.

Don't they know the Northerners adopted it from the Yoruba? Likewise the name Arewa was got from the Yoruba. North compass in Yoruba is called Ariwa while North star compass 🧭 in Yoruba is called Arewa in Yoruba. That was adopted by the core Northerners, alongside the knot by the core Northerners when Nigeria was to get independence in the late 1950's.

Funnily, It's quite mysterious how some Yoruba culture are similar to the Hebrew. For example, making the second twin the elder of the twins, the Solomon knot used for royalties by the Yoruba, female child inheritance, marrying the widow in the family like Judah's children did etc. That's aside the circumcision done. Yoruba even has a proverb for circumcision which is, "O ko ara re sita be Omo ojo mejo" which means "he exposed his manhood like that of a child of 8 days old". However, Circumcision can be done anytime within 1 month or two months. All these are Yoruba cultures. There's also the similar names for God such as Oluwa etc for example. I can't understand the mystery till now.

Anyways, I have got two theories which is either the Yoruba parted from the Hebrew while the Hebrew were still in Egypt or the Yoruba are simply ancient people doing their thing. Circumcision could have been done for health reasons for example.

Thank you for this interesting piece.

Dsimmer:



Lol.

Don't they know the Northerners adopted it from the Yoruba? Likewise the name Arewa was got from the Yoruba. North compass in Yoruba is called Ariwa while North star compass in Yoruba is called Arewa in Yoruba. That was adopted by the core Northerners, alongside the knot by the core Northerners when Nigeria was to get independence in the late 1950.

Funnily, It's quite mysterious how some Yoruba culture are similar to the Hebrew. For example, making the second twin the elder of the twins, the Solomon knot used for royalties by the Yoruba, female child inheritance, marrying the widow in the family like Judah's children did etc. That's aside the circumcision done. Yoruba even has a proverb for circumcision which is, "O ko ara re sita be Omo ojo mejo" which means "he exposed his manhood like that of a child of 8 days old". All these are Yoruba cultures. There's also the similar names for God such as Oluwa etc for example. I can't understand the mystery till now.

Anyways, I have got two theories which is either the Yoruba parted from the Hebrew while the Hebrew were still in Egypt or the Yoruba are simply ancient people doing their thing.

Dsimmer:



Lol.

Don't they know the Northerners adopted it from the Yoruba? Likewise the name Arewa was got from the Yoruba. North compass in Yoruba is called Ariwa while North star compass 🧭 in Yoruba is called Arewa in Yoruba. That was adopted by the core Northerners, alongside the knot by the core Northerners when Nigeria was to get independence in the late 1950's.

Funnily, It's quite mysterious how some Yoruba culture are similar to the Hebrew. For example, making the second twin the elder of the twins, the Solomon knot used for royalties by the Yoruba, female child inheritance, marrying the widow in the family like Judah's children did etc. That's aside the circumcision done. Yoruba even has a proverb for circumcision which is, "O ko ara re sita be Omo ojo mejo" which means "he exposed his manhood like that of a child of 8 days old". However, Circumcision can be done anytime within 1 month or two months. All these are Yoruba cultures. There's also the similar names for God such as Oluwa etc for example. I can't understand the mystery till now.

Anyways, I have got two theories which is either the Yoruba parted from the Hebrew while the Hebrew were still in Egypt or the Yoruba are simply ancient people doing their thing. Circumcision could have been done for health reasons for example.

You are correct.

British colonials, while creating regions for self-rule called for each region to use a symbol.

Western region adopted Star of David and Elephant, both of which had also existed as ancient Yoruba treasures, in addition to Solomon's knot, and indeed far more many, passed down from thousands of years of Yoruba civilization.

Eastern region adopted manila as a standard.

Northern region had a challenge finding a befitting symbol. Islam forbids symbolism, so muslim North had no symbol in their antiquity that complies with the Islamic rule. The only standard they proposed were Arabic calligraphies, turned down by the Colonial govt. So Britain obtained the Yoruba symbol to give Arewa for their representation.

To add more, when Nigeria changed currency in the 70s and stopped using Pounds Sterling, we adopted Naira and Kobo. The early version of the Kobo coin was minted in the Yoruba's copy of the Star of David, and had a hole in the center of it.

BabaRamota1980:


You are correct.

British colonials, while creating regions for self-rule called for each region to use a symbol.

Western region adopted Star of David and Elephant, both of which had also existed as ancient Yoruba treasures, in addition to Solomon's knot, and indeed far more many, passed down from thousands of years of Yoruba civilization.

Eastern region adopted manila as a standard.

Northern region had a challenge finding a befitting symbol. Islam forbids symbolism, so muslim North had no symbol in their antiquity that complies with the Islamic rule. The only standard they proposed were Arabic calligraphies, turned down by the Colonial govt. So Britain obtained the Yoruba symbol to give Arewa for their representation.

To add more, when Nigeria changed currency in the 70s and stopped using Pounds Sterling, we adopted Naira and Kobo. The early version of the Kobo coin was minted in the Yoruba's copy of the Star of David, and had a hole in the center of it.

Yeah. There's also the elephant and star of David while the Solomon knot represent royalties for the Yoruba. The connection with Hebrew is still a mystery to me though.

Btw, Elephant symbolizes strength, wisdom and good service in Yoruba culture. In fact, when a good man dies, Yoruba would say "Erin wo" which means "the elephant has fallen". Meanwhile, the old black Egyptians always revered the elephant to depict their Pharaoh. There's also the talk of "Ivory" palace in Psalm 45:8 which says "All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad". From the look of it, that was talking about Jesus in the "Ivory" palace since his garment was the one scented with the smell of myrhh and aloe.

While I don't understand Yoruba's deal with the Hebrew, considering the similar names for God and some of the cultures however Yoruba could just be ancient people doing their thing. The other theory is they might have probably parted from the Hebrews while the Hebrews were still in Egypt (recall Moses left Egypt and had even forgotten if he was Hebrew or not after he left Egypt until he was asked to go lead out the Isrealites back to Cannan. In fact, he almost didn't want to circumcise his children). So either that or the Yoruba are ancient people.

As for the core Northerners, it was Arab that destroyed the northern culture while replacing it with dumbnesss and stupidity such as drinking camel urine. In fact, the Core Northern language in Nigeria would have been equally eroded and it was already getting eroded, if not for the British (Rupert East) who asked the core Northerners to write their own Northern language. They also had nothing to present at the time the British were looking for symbol to represent the region thus the British represented them with the Yoruba's Solomon knot design. Anyways, the knot represent royalties in Yoruba. Yoruba's major insignia worn on the body are the bead and cowry which represent creativity, integrity and commerce or the "Solomon knot" woven either by beads or designed. The knot were worn by Yoruba kings to represent divine royalties. For example, The Yoruba throne below with the Solomon knot were given to the Queen of England by the Yoruba. The Yoruba throne has the Solomon knot designed on it, including on the seat which has the Solomon knot design surrounded by feral animal design. Another example below of a Yoruba king in his regalia with the Solomon knot. Btw, the swan/fowl symbol on the regalia represent the progenitor and nurturer. Yoruba king also wear white regalia to depict light/wisdom..

Meanwhile, the star of David considered as David's shield for the Israelites represents law or karma for either good or evil deeds. Eshu who's the Orisha of cross roads represent law of justice/karma and decision making (either good or bad) in Yoruba religion for example. The star of David is two interlocking triangles where the one pointing up represent the good deeds going up while the one pointing down representing the evil deeds. However, we all know these are not enough because there are some unintentional acts or some people doing things without the intention to harm others, for example, an old poor man stealing food to eat thus the need for mercy which is what the messiah represents while the interlocking stars represent the law. Well, in reality tbh, law is needed for orderliness and balance in the society. Of course, Law should be without mercy in reality however justice should be rendered with mercy, especially when such cases warrant it.

As I already stated, I still don't understand Yoruba mystery with the Hebrew. Or it could also be that the Yoruba were just ancient people doing their thing.

Dsimmer:



Yeah. There's also the elephant and star of David while the Solomon knot represent royalties for the Yoruba. The connection with Hebrew is still a mystery to me though.

Btw, Elephant symbolizes strength, wisdom and good service in Yoruba culture. In fact, when a good man dies, Yoruba would say "Erin wo" which means "the elephant has fallen". Meanwhile, the old black Egyptians always revered the elephant to depict their Pharaoh. There's also the talk of "Ivory palace" in Psalm 45:8 which says "All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad". From the look of it, that was talking about Jesus in the "Ivory" palace since his garment was the one scented with the smell of myrhh and aloe.

While I don't understand Yoruba's deal with the Hebrew, considering the similar names for God and some of the cultures however Yoruba could just be ancient people doing their thing. The other theory is they might have probably parted from the Hebrews while the Hebrews were still in Egypt (recall Moses left Egypt and had even forgotten if he was Hebrew or not after he left Egypt until he was asked to go lead out the Isrealites back to Cannan. In fact, he almost didn't want to circumcise his children). So either that or the Yoruba are ancient people.

As for the core Northerners, it was Arab that destroyed the northern culture while replacing it with dumbnesss and stupidity such as drinking camel urine. In fact, the Core Northern language in Nigeria would have been equally eroded and it was already getting eroded, if not for the British (Rupert East) who asked the core Northerners to write their own Northern language. They also had nothing to present at the time the British were looking for symbol to represent the region thus the British represented them with the Yoruba's Solomon knot design. Anyways, the knot represent royalties in Yoruba. Yoruba's major insignia worn on the body or neck are the beads and cowry which represent creativity, integrity and service or the "Solomon knot" woven either by beads or designed. The knot were worn by Yoruba kings to represent divine royalties. For example, The Yoruba throne below with the Solomon knot were given to the Queen of England by the Yoruba when she first came to Nigeria. The Yoruba throne has the Solomon knot designed on it, including on the seat which has the Solomon knot design surrounded by feral animal design. Another example below of a Yoruba king in his regalia with the Solomon knot. Btw, the swan/fowl symbol on the regalia represent the progenitor and nurturer. Yoruba king also wear white regalia to depict light/wisdom..

Meanwhile, the star of David considered as shield for the Israelites represents law or karma for either good or evil deeds. Eshu who's the Orisha of cross roads represent law of justice/karma and decision making (either good or bad) in Yoruba religion for example. The star of David is two interlocking stars where the one pointing up represent the good deeds going up while the one pointing down representing the evil deeds. However, we all know these are not enough because there are some unintentional acts or some people doing things without the intention to harm others, for example, an old poor man stealing food to eat thus the need for mercy which is what the messiah represents while the interlocking stars represent the law. Well, in reality tbh, law is needed for order and balance in the society. Of course, Law should be without mercy in reality however justice should be rendered with mercy, especially when such cases warrant it.

As I already stated, I still don't understand Yoruba mystery with the Hebrew. Or it could also be that the Yoruba were just ancient people doing their thing.

Nice share of knowledge. To the bold, I have some ta-ta-ta knowledge, but they wouldn't get you the answer. Let me copy a very strong source of knowledge on this subject -

absolutesuccess

BabaRamota1980:


Nice share of knowledge. To the bold, I have some ta-ta-ta knowledge, but they wouldn't get you the answer. Let me copy a very strong source of knowledge on this subject -

absolutesuccess

Alright, Babaramota, the Yoruba equivalent of King Solomon was Olugbon. He was the wise one and definitely the father of "agbonmiregun", which connects the Yoruba to the Egun people: Let's say Orunmila, baba Agbonmiregun, ewi nile Ado, okikin tii meyin erin-in-fon.

By so doing, we establish Orunmila as the father of Agbonmiregun, who was the poet (or enchanter or psalmist) of an early camp of the emigrating Yoruba, who could praise ikin and also play notes on the ivory. That's part of what we were told by the ancient Yoruba records about him.

According to Yoruba tradition, it was Agbonmiregun who became Ifa or he invented the system. So hard to tell what really happened, but my take is, Ifa was originally written, when the ancient Yorubas discovered that writing will eventually become extinct, they resolve to cramming.

However, the earliest epoch they could wound the system of Ifa around was this period in their history, and the heroes of the time became the nomenclature that the system was given: odu (Oduduwa) Ifa (Agbonmiregun) Orunmila (baba Agbonmeregun). Now how do we know this?

Eji-Ogbe stands for something, it says "two are better" or in direct interpretation "two will lift up". Again, its from the wisdom of Solomon that we come to encounter such idea that "two are better than one", who knows maybe its a form of "an ancient correspondent" that these ancestors were sharing?

On the other hand, the name Orunmila simply means "orun-mi-la" that is, heaven-trembled-open. We are also told eji-ogbe, baba Ifa (the verse "eji-ogbe" belongs to the father of Ifa). Finally, in the wisdom of Solomon (apocryphal) we were told "I was exalted like the palms of Cades".

Cades here being kadesh. It is also called en eigialois (waves of the river?). Meanwhile, the title of Orunmila also sound the same in Yoruba, Erigialo. Now let's try to interpret Erigi alo, it would mean the ridges of the meander (river), that's where we can actually finds wild palm trees used for emu ako.

Ifa is also associated with the palm tree thus: Keepe o kejinna, ewa wo'fa awo ki bitin se. Ifa de, alase, ope abise wara. Another one says "igbago, eni mi ni o se, imo ope, eni mi ni o se, Orunmila lo funmi lepo kin ri paju, bara petu lofunmi lepo kin ri bu s'obe" which is eulogizing the palm tree as the tree of wisdom symbolizing Orunmila.

If the Yoruba had separated from the Hebrew, they wont say it in tradition as it would be trying to say they knew they were becoming a different people from start. Instead, its us that would keep stumbling on things that sounds familiar in other culture we seems to be privy of until we can't just hold it any longer.

According to Yoruba tradition, it was Agbonmiregun who became Ifa or he invented the system. So hard to tell what really happened, but my take is, Ifa was originally written, when the ancient Yorubas discovered that writing will eventually become extinct, they resolve to cramming.

Absolutesuccess, thanks for so much information. Could Agbonmiregun be a prophet? Based on what you shared, Ifa would appear to be a prophetic revelation, perharps much earlier than Moses. Also, the Ark of Covenant, was this a physical constructed structure, or a metaphor for some other life sustaining and structured phenomena in the doctrines of living in righteousness? The central theme of the Ark is binary. Binary is also the structure in Ifa. You also mentioned the concept of two being supported by Eji Ogbe.

There is a intuitive understanding that these teachings are disparate from Hebrew, but yet hard not to see both as One and the Same body of divine knowledge. Confusing, but hard to ignore or dismiss.

BabaRamota1980:


Nice share of knowledge. To the bold, I have some ta-ta-ta knowledge, but they wouldn't get you the answer. Let me copy a very strong source of knowledge on this subject -

absolutesuccess

Let's hear what you think could be the reason for the similarities with the Hebrew.

Tbh, I hadn't given ears to such until I start seeing some similar things such as, the same similar names for God and then Yoruba Ifa which also talks about a Messiah to be born of a virgin woman. That was when my antennae started to rise 😂 Then some similar arts and cultures such as the Solomon knot used for royalties, making the second twin the elder of the twins, Orisha Eshu of cross roads (law of justice/karma for either good or bad decision making) representing the two interlocking triangles which represent justice/karma for good and bad deeds.. Thus I concluded that either the Yoruba parted long ago from the Hebrew while the Hebrew were still in Egypt or they are just ancient people doing their things.

absoluteSuccess:


Alright, Babaramota, the Yoruba equivalent of King Solomon was Olugbon. He was the wise one and definitely the father of "agbonmiregun", which connects the Yoruba to the Egun people: Let's say Orunmila, baba Agbonmiregun, ewi nile Ado, okikin tii meyin erin-in-fon.

By so doing, we establish Orunmila as the father of Agbonmiregun, who was the poet (or enchanter or psalmist) of an early camp of the emigrating Yoruba, who could praise ikin and also play notes on the ivory. That's part of what we were told by the ancient Yoruba records about him.

According to Yoruba tradition, it was Agbonmiregun who became Ifa or he invented the system. So hard to tell what really happened, but my take is, Ifa was originally written, when the ancient Yorubas discovered that writing will eventually become extinct, they resolve to cramming.

However, the earliest epoch they could wound the system of Ifa around was this period in their history, and the heroes of the time became the nomenclature that the system was given: odu (Oduduwa) Ifa (Agbonmiregun) Orunmila (baba Agbonmeregun). Now how do we know this?

Eji-Ogbe stands for something, it says "two are better" or in direct interpretation "two will lift up". Again, its from the wisdom of Solomon that we come to encounter such idea that "two are better than one", who knows maybe its a form of "an ancient correspondent" that these ancestors were sharing?

On the other hand, the name Orunmila simply means "orun-mi-la" that is, heaven-trembled-open. We are also told eji-ogbe, baba Ifa (the verse "eji-ogbe" belongs to the father of Ifa). Finally, in the wisdom of Solomon (apocryphal) we were told "I was exalted like the palms of Cades".

Cades here being kadesh. It is also called en eigialois (waves of the river?). Meanwhile, the title of Orunmila also sound the same in Yoruba, Erigialo. Now let's try to interpret Erigi alo, it would mean the ridges of the meander (river), that's where we can actually finds wild palm trees used for emu ako.

Ifa is also associated with the palm tree thus: Keepe o kejinna, ewa wo'fa awo ki bitin se. Ifa de, alase, ope abise wara. Another one says "igbago, eni mi ni o se, imo ope, eni mi ni o se, Orunmila lo funmi lepo kin ri paju, bara petu lofunmi lepo kin ri bu s'obe" which is eulogizing the palm tree as the tree of wisdom symbolizing Orunmila.

If the Yoruba had separated from the Hebrew, they wont say it in tradition as it would be trying to say they knew they were becoming a different people from start. Instead, its us that would keep stumbling on things that sounds familiar in other culture we seems to be privy of until we can't just hold it any longer.

That's a good informative submission. Let me add to it.

Olugbon should be the accolades of God. Also are Agbonmiregun and Orunmila. Agboniregun means the wise one of Egun. On a side note, it indeed shows that the Egun are Yoruba, even as the name Egun is also a Yoruba word. Agbonmiregun and Orunmila are accolades or attributes of the one God, just like Olugbon. IFA often speaks in parables btw.

I have always felt the word "Orunmila" is tied to Ela, considering the last alphabet of Orunmila hence why Ela is often referred to as Orunmila, even as Orunmila represent wisdom which Ela also represents. Ela is also an attribute of God which is the word of God. Only thing was the first priest of Ifa was named Orunmila and Baba Agboniregun until Ela came to take over the priesthood role. Similar to how Jesus came to take over the priesthood role from Moses & Joshua thus becoming the chief high priest according to the scripture. Therefore, Ela who's stated as the word of God is also Orunmila. All these are all accolades or attributes of the one God almighty, including Agboniregun and Olugbon which are also accolades of God.

Anyways, if peradventure that the Yoruba parted long ago from the Hebrew to establish in another place, I can see why same events which happened to the Isrealites were also showcasing itself to the Yoruba, even when the Yoruba were located somewhere else. For example, Moses who's the Hebrew's first priest led the Isrealites out of Egypt and taught them a lot of things etc. But since the Yoruba had parted away from the Hebrews long before that time (as assumed), thus the coming of Orunmila to teach a lot of things to the Yoruba at that time. This is equivalent to the Hebrew's Moses. However, According to the Ifa, a Messiah born of virgin woman was to take over Orunmila role. Same way the scripture also talked about a Messiah born of virgin woman who would take over the priesthood role of Moses. IFA calls the messiah Ela. Can you see the similarities?

So Jesus came as the messiah to the Isrealites while Ela came to the Yoruba. Meanwhile, same Ifa also talks about Jesus which Ifa calls Jewesun. In fact, only two names were mentioned as the begotten child of God in Ifa. The names are Ela and Jewesun. Thus meaning that the two names are the same since IFA says God has only "one" begotten child. In fact, in Ifa, Ela is referred as the Word and the only begotten child of God while Jewesun is referred as the Lamb and the only begotten child of God. So Ifa calls either Ela or Jewesun as the only begotten child of God. Thus meaning that both Ela and Jewesun are the same thing, that is, a=x. Meanwhile, Elah is an Hebrew name for God, apart from the other Hebrew names for God such as Elowah, Elohim, El'Mareh which are all similar to the Yoruba names for God which are Oluwa, Olohun and Olodumare/Eledumare.

There's also the 'Eriwoyah' chant which is similar to the Hebrew name of Yahweh. From the word Eriwoyah, Erinwo means "the elephant has fallen" which means the death of a good man or righteous man which is equivalent to how the psalm scripture talks about Jesus in the "Ivory" palace and we all know that Jesus was a righteous man. As for the word "Yah", it should be the name of God, like Yahweh. If I'm to look deep into the meaning of "Yah", I think it means "alive" which is the opposite of death. Hence Eriwoyah should mean "the righteous one who's got the power over death and life". In fact, that should also be the meaning of Yahweh. Yah as alive, weh as death.

So seeing the several mysterious similarities with the Hebrew thus, my conclusion of either the Yoruba parting away from the Hebrew a long time ago while the Hebrew were still in Egypt but couldn't remember much if they were Hebrew or not thus leaving Olodumare with no choice than to also manifest himself to the Yoruba since they're also of hebrew stock which he already promised of the Messiah. The other theory could be that the Yoruba are ancient people doing their own things.

On the two principles of IFA, of course Ifa works on binary code principles hence why it always talks about it. A good explanation is no one can reproduce a child by himself or herself alone 😂 hence, IFA's constant emphasis on the "two" theory. That being said, IFA always says the world was created in duality. "Meji la da Ile aye" according to IFA. Obatala (light) and Oduduwa (matter) as two equal halves of a sphere entity represent or formed the earth. While Olokun and Yemoja as two halves of one entity which represent the water body. Even Olodumare has its Ela which is his word. So according to IFA, the universe was created on a binary principle which IFA works on. TBH, the Yoruba are mystery and I don't know how that came to be, which includes the several mysteries connecting them to the Hebrew, not to mention their IFA. So my conclusion is either the Yoruba are ancient people or they parted from the Hebrew while the Hebrew were in Egypt.

Dsimmer:


That's a good informative submission. Let me add to it.

Olugbon should be the accolades of God. Also are Agbonmiregun and Orunmila. Agbonmiregun means the wise one of Egun. On a side note, it indeed shows that the Egun are Yoruba, even as the name Egun is also a Yoruba word. Agbonmiregun and Orunmila are accolades or attributes of God, just like Olugbon. IFA often speaks in parables btw.

I have always felt the word "Orunmila" is tied to Ela, considering the last alphabet of Orunmila hence why Ela is often referred to as Orunmila, even as Orunmila represent wisdom which Ela also represents. Ela is also an attribute of God which is the word of God. Only thing was the first priest of Ifa was named Orunmila and his son named Agbonmiregun who was also knowlegeable like Orunmila until Ela came to take over the priesthood role. Similar to how Jesus came to take over the priest role from Moses & Joshua thus becoming the chief high priest according to the scripture. Therefore, Ela who's stated as the word of God is also Orunmila. All these names are all accolades of God, including Agbonmiregun and Olugbon are accolades of God.

Anyways, if peradventure that the Yoruba parted long ago from the Hebrew to establish in another place, I can see why same events which happened to the Isrealites were also showcasing itself to the Yoruba, even when the Yoruba were located somewhere else. For example, Moses who's the Hebrew's first priest led the Isrealites out of Egypt and taught them a lot of things etc. but since the Yoruba had assumingly parted away from the Hebrews long before before that time (as assumed), thus the coming of Orunmila to teach a lot of things to the Yoruba at that time. This is equivalent to the Hebrew's Moses. However, According to the Ifa, a Messiah born of virgin woman was to take over Orunmila role. Same way the scripture also talked about a Messiah born of virgin woman who would take over the priesthood role of Moses. IFA calls the messiah Ela. Can you see the similarities?

So Jesus came as the messiah to the Isrealites while Ela came to the Yoruba. Meanwhile, same Ifa also talks about Jesus which Ifa calls Jewesun. In fact, only two names were mentioned as the begotten child of God in Ifa. The names were Ela and Jewesun. Thus meaning that the two names are the same since IFA says God has only "one" begotten child. In fact, in Ifa, Ela is referred as the Word and the only begotten child of God while Jewesun is referred as the Lamb and the only begotten child of God. So Ifa calls either Ela or Jewesun as the only begotten child of God. Thus meaning that both Ela and Jewesun are the same thing, that is, a=x. Meanwhile, Elah is an Hebrew name for God, apart from the other Hebrew names for God such as Elowah, Elohim, El'Mareh which are all similar to the Yoruba names for God which are Oluwa, Olohun and Olodumare/Eledumare.

There's also the 'Eriwoyah' chant which is similar to the Hebrew name of Yahweh. From the word Eriwoyah, Erinwo means "the elephant has fallen" which means the death of a good man or righteous man which is equivalent to how the psalm scripture talks about Jesus in the "Ivory" palace and we all know that Jesus was a righteous man. As for the word "Yah", it should be the name of God, like Yahweh. If I'm to look deep into the meaning of "Yah", I think it means "alive" which is the opposite of death. Hence Eriwoyah should mean "the righteous one who's got the power over death and life". In fact, that should also be the meaning of Yahweh. Yah as alive, weh as death.

So seeing the several mysterious similarities with the Hebrew thus, my conclusion of either the Yoruba parting away from the Hebrew a long time ago while the Hebrew were still in Egypt but couldn't remember much if they were Hebrew or not thus leaving Olodumare with no choice than to also manifest himself to the Yoruba since they're also of hebrew stock which he already promised of the Messiah. The other theory could be that the Yoruba are ancient people doing their own things.

Of course Ifa works on binary code principles hence why it always talks about it. Well, two heads are better than one, considering a team can quickly get the work done faster than one person, although it has to be an intelligent team. Also, no one can reproduce by himself or herself alone 😂 hence, IFA's emphasis on "two" theory. That being said, Ifa also says the world was created in duality. "Meji la da Ile aye" according to IFA. Obatala (light) and Oduduwa (matter) as one entity formed the earth. While Olokun and Yemoja as one entity represent the water body. Even Olodumare has its own Ela which is his word. So according to IFA, the universe was created on a binary principle and that's what IFA also works on. TBH, the Yoruba are mystery and I don't know how that came to be, which includes the several mysteries connecting them to the Hebrew, not to mention their IFA. So my conclusion is either the Yoruba are ancient people or they parted from the Hebrew while the Hebrew were in Egypt.

Very deep, kudos to you for this breath-taken piece.

BabaRamota1980:


Absolutesuccess, thanks for so much information. Could Agbonmiregun be a prophet? Based on what you shared, Ifa would appear to be a prophetic revelation, perharps much earlier than Moses. Also, the Ark of Covenant, was this a physical constructed structure, or a metaphor for some other life sustaining and structured phenomena in the doctrines of living in righteousness? The central theme of the Ark is binary. Binary is also the structure in Ifa. You also mentioned the concept of two being supported by Eji Ogbe.

There is a intuitive understanding that these teachings are disparate from Hebrew, but yet hard not to see both as One and the Same body of divine knowledge. Confusing, but hard to ignore or dismiss.

Thanks for the feedback bro, let me attempt your questions.

I believe that had it been the Yoruba had akosile, we would have had a masterfully written scripts of Ifa and agbonmiregun would be one of the prophets. In spite of that, I still believe anyone who proffers solutions and help us to understand life better in relationship with ourselves and the society and the divine is a prophet, so yes, he is.

He is more than a prophet because he was an inventor of Ifa divination system. No two culture have this other than the Yoruba and her neighbour, the Egun people who did not have a separate one from the Yoruba. They must have learnt from the Yoruba or, we are speaking an old language of both.

The import of this is if this form of religion or device has been invented far from them (egun), would they have adopted it? Let's compare the assimilation with the Edo, another closest family. This is just to find out an answer, on where Ifa may have likely been invented in Yoruba land.

My theory is this, Ifa was invented at Ado Odo. This would make the first king of Ado, identical with Onitako. Then Ifa pertains with "Itako". Now lets attempt Yoruba metathesis on this: itako, Otako, Ikota, Okota. Oko, Ota, Oko-ta: Bestselling author. The first king of Ado was a best selling author.

Let's say the original Olofin Ado was an authority among authors. like he was the reporter for his group of scouts and one to be trusted for accurate information where necessary. then politically, for there to be an ofin, law, and an Olofin, (custodian of the law), there must be a book of codes.

That establish the fact that the original settlers of the Yoruba were literate, not necessarily the whole population, but their elites. The next problem is, what form of alphabet do they write by? If they have anything to do with Hebrew, it would be abjad, the precursory of modern Arabic and Hebrew scripts.

Let's check for abjad in Yoruba: ko si abuja l'orun ope. Abuja-short cut. Short cut-koro. Oriki Aresa, "omo koro nigbo Ekoro". Ko in Yoruba is to write, oro in Yoruba is the spoken word. Although the art fell to disuse, but there are mnemonics and uses in everyday life that still linger in the language.

This solves the problem of who comes first between Ifa and Moses: If written culture predate Ifa's invention, and it was found among people that seems to be familiar with writing much earlier, I think we have our answers. Not only that, Ifa abide with code of ethics of near east scribes in the use of colophon.

Eji-Ogbe is Colophon of Orunmila. Eji-Ogbe is a quote from Orunmila. It says "eji, eji nimogbe mio gb'omo enikan". I don't know exactly what was being discussed when he made the statement, but it became the opening verse in Ifa in his honour. It has nothing to do with the ark of covenant per se.

Bro, this is my last post on the topic sir.

absoluteSuccess:


Thanks for the feedback bro, let me attempt your questions.

I believe that had it been the Yoruba had akosile, we would have had a masterfully written scripts of Ifa and agbonmiregun would be one of the prophets. In spite of that, I still believe anyone who proffers solutions and help us to understand life better in relationship with ourselves and the society and the divine is a prophet, so yes, he is.

He is more than a prophet because he was an inventor of Ifa divination system. No two culture have this other than the Yoruba and her neighbour, the Egun people who did not have a separate one from the Yoruba. They must have learnt from the Yoruba or, we are speaking an old language of both.

The import of this is if this form of religion or device has been invented far from them (egun), would they have adopted it? Let's compare the assimilation with the Edo, another closest family. This is just to find out an answer, on where Ifa may have likely been invented in Yoruba land.

My theory is this, Ifa was invented at Ado Odo. This would make the first king of Ado, identical with Onitako. Then Ifa pertains with "Itako". Now lets attempt Yoruba metathesis on this: itako, Otako, Ikota, Okota. Oko, Ota, Oko-ta: Bestselling author. The first king of Ado was a best selling author.

Let's say the original Olofin Ado was an authority among authors. like he was the reporter for his group of scouts and one to be trusted for accurate information where necessary. then politically, for there to be an ofin, law, and an Olofin, (custodian of the law), there must be a book of codes.

That establish the fact that the original settlers of the Yoruba were literate, not necessarily the whole population, but their elites. The next problem is, what form of alphabet do they write by? If they have anything to do with Hebrew, it would be abjad, the precursory of modern Arabic and Hebrew scripts.

Let's check for abjad in Yoruba: ko si abuja l'orun ope. Abuja-short cut. Short cut-koro. Oriki Aresa, "omo koro nigbo Ekoro". Ko in Yoruba is to write, oro in Yoruba is the spoken word. Although the art fell to disuse, but there are mnemonics and uses in everyday life that still linger in the language.

This solves the problem of who comes first between Ifa and Moses: If written culture predate Ifa's invention, and it was found among people that seems to be familiar with writing much earlier, I think we have our answers. Not only that, Ifa abide with code of ethics of near east scribes in the use of colophon.

Eji-Ogbe is Colophon of Orunmila. Eji-Ogbe is a quote from Orunmila. It says "eji, eji nimogbe mio gb'omo enikan". I don't know exactly what was being discussed when he made the statement, but it became the opening verse in Ifa in his honour. It has nothing to do with the ark of covenant per se.

Bro, this is my last post on the topic sir.

Egun means an ancestor in Yoruba language, hence why egungun is the celebration of the ancestors. So Egun is a Yoruba word, Just like Ife etc are all Yoruba words. Oyo were the only ones bearing Yoruba at that time while a lot of Yoruba were bearing several other names until eventually when everyone started bearing the Yoruba name. The "Yoruba" name itself is a prophetic royalty word 💤

Anyways, Agbonmiregun in Yoruba full meaning should be "the wise one of the ancestors".. it's the name of the God almighty. The Yoruba men linked with IFA creation were simply bearing God's names, for example Orunmila and Agbonmiregun are names of the God almighty. Yoruba were taught a lot of things during this time. Several enlightenment which includes innovative and Creative ideas, even as the ebo are rather educative and creative symbolism, not to be taken literally.

So all these were happening until the Messiah born of a virgin woman, Ela/Jewesun came. Ela/Jewesun came to showcase God's mercy in the face of the law.

Now, the question is what timeline did all these happen in Yoruba land and what connection do the Yoruba have with the Hebrew (the Jews)? 🤔

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Egun means an ancestor in Yoruba language, hence why egungun is the celebration of the ancestors. So Egun is a Yoruba word, Just like Ife, Ogun, Ijebu, Oshun, Oshogbo etc are all Yoruba words. Since Oyo were the only ones bearing Yoruba at that time while a lot of Yoruba were bearing several other names until eventually when everyone started bearing the Yoruba name. The "Yoruba" name itself is a prophetic word.

Anyways, Agbonmiregun in Yoruba full meaning should be "the wise one of the ancestors".. it's the name of the God almighty. The Yoruba linked with IFA creation were bearing God's names, for example Orunmila and Agbonmiregun are names of the God almighty. Yoruba were taught a lot of things during this time. Several enlightenment which includes innovative and Creative ideas, even as the ebo are rather educative and creative symbolism, not to be taken literally.

So all these were happening until the Messiah born of a virgin woman, Ela/Jewesun came. Ela/Jewesun came to showcase God's mercy in the face of the law.

Now, the question is what timeline did all these happen in Yoruba land and what connection do the Yoruba have with the Hebrew (the Jews)? 🤔

There's no dispute with what you have shared. The truth is, if my name is Oluwaseun, it's a praise of God. But if we are to tell history, we have to deal with the individual named historical-wise.

For instance, Olodumare is different from Orunmila, we must agree that the Yoruba were knowledgeable to differentiate a historical man from the supreme being. We can see this in "Odu Iwori Meji":

"Nigbati Olodumare ko seda eniyan s'aye,
Won o ribi gbe, Nitori pe ogede omi lo kun ile aye.
Ni Orunmila ba to Olodumare lo"

If you substitute Oduduwa for Orunmila in the above, you have the rest of the story, not only that, this is the source of the myth of Oduduwa coming down from the sky. I have argued this here with that impostor that claims to know all, I don't want to go through that circle again.

God won't go to meet himself, so that's tradition of Ifa used to tell "Yoruba history". As for time frames, we have to find out about that through various materials that can help to unravel such facts in archaeology and related fields. Oduduwa did not come from the sky, we can research Odu Iwori for details.

absoluteSuccess:


There's no dispute with what you have shared. The truth is, if my name is Oluwaseun, it's a praise of God. But if we are to tell history, we have to deal with the individual named historical-wise.

For instance, Olodumare is different from Orunmila, we must agree that the Yoruba were knowledgeable to differentiate a historical man from the supreme being. We can see this in "Odu Iwori Meji":

"Nigbati Olodumare ko seda eniyan s'aye,
Won o ribi gbe, Nitori pe ogede omi lo kun ile aye.
Ni Orunmila ba to Olodumare lo"

God won't go to meet himself, so that's tradition of Ifa used to tell history. As for time frames, we have to find out about that through various materials that can help to unravel such facts in archaeology and related fields.

True.

However, that's why IFA always classify the Orisha as either cosmos or the ancestor. For example, there's Oduduwa, the creation and Oduduwa, the king. Oduduwa the creation descended from the sky while Oduduwa the king came from Oke Ora.

Similarly, Ogun, the cosmos represent iron, iron works, bravery and agility etc. Whereas the ancestor Ogun was a blacksmith, a warrior, and a wine maker which are all equivalent to the cosmos Ogun nature. In today's civilization, that should be metallurgy, mechanical engines, chemical industry, defence etc..

Basically, the ancestors were simply depicting and showcasing their cosmos natures on earth. Hence, Orunmila who's Baba Agbonmiregun was simply showcasing his cosmos nature/talent which is the enlightenment/wisdom of the God Almighty. In fact, The celebration of the ancestors is to ensure the Yoruba people keep in memory of the cosmos natures/talents of these Orishas, considering these ancestors were simply showcasing the cosmos natures of the Orisha. Thus the need to keep in memory and replicate the same intelligence and creativity, according to one's talent.📍

In the cosmos nature, Orunmila is Ela which is the word of God. I have always felt that Ela and Olodumare are two main attributes depicting the One God almighty called Oluwa Olorun Olodumare..
Ela means the word of God or light/enlightenment/wisdom of God while Olodumare means the owner of the womb/vessel of infinite creations. It is this Ela that ensured the physical manifestation of the infinite creations of Olodumare📌 So it's Eledumare when combined together. Thus, this interaction created the universe which started with the formation of Obatala (light) and Oduduwa (black matter) described as the two equal halves of a sphere which formed the universe.

Since the ancestors were only showcasing their cosmos natures/talents hence, ancestor Orunmila simply came as the forerunner to enlighten while preparing the path for the coming of the Messiah, Ela/Jewesun born of a virgin woman. This Ela/Jewesun is to take over and he's also referred to as Orunmila which represent wisdom.

In essence, the messiah, Ela/Jewesun born of a virgin woman is the physical represention of God on earth hence why he's called the only begotten child of God Almighty 📌 The forerunner who came before the messiah was named Orunmila who prepared the path for Ela/Jewesun who's also referred to as Orunmila which represent wisdom. Similar to how Moses was the first priest before the arrival of the messiah, Jesus born of a virgin woman. Can you see the several similarities? Thus my conclusion which is, either the Yoruba parted away from the Hebrew a long time ago or they're just ancient people 🤔

Dsimmer:


True.

However, that's why IFA always classify the Orisha as either cosmos or the ancestor. For example, there's Oduduwa, the creation and Oduduwa, the king. Oduduwa the creation descended from the sky while Oduduwa the king came from Oke Ora.

Similarly, Ogun, the cosmos represent iron, metallurgy, mechanical engines, chemical industry, bravery, agility etc.. whereas the ancestor Ogun was a blacksmith, a warrior, and a wine maker which are all equivalent to the cosmos Ogun nature.

Basically, the ancestors were simply depicting and showcasing their cosmos natures on earth. Hence, Orunmila who's Baba Agbonmiregun was simply showcasing his cosmos nature/talent which is the enlightenment/wisdom of the God Almighty. In fact, The celebration of the ancestors is to ensure the Yoruba people keep in memory of the cosmos natures/talents of these Orishas, considering these ancestors were simply showcasing the cosmos natures of the Orisha. Thus the need to keep in memory and replicate the same intelligence and creativity, according to one's talent.📍

In the cosmos nature, Orunmila is Ela which is the word of God. I have always felt that Ela and Olodumare are the main two characteristics of the God almighty called Oluwa Olorun Olodumare..
Ela means the word of God or light/enlightenment/wisdom of God while Olodumare means the owner of the womb/vessel of infinite creations. It is this Ela that ensured the physical manifestation of the infinite creations of Olodumare📌 So it's Eledumare when combined together. Thus, this interaction created the universe which started with the formation of Obatala (light) and Oduduwa (black matter) described as the two equal halves of a sphere which formed the universe.

Since the ancestors were only showcasing their cosmos natures/talents hence, ancestor Orunmila simply came as the forerunner to enlighten while preparing the path for the coming of the Messiah, Ela/Jewesun born of a virgin woman. This Ela/Jewesun is to take over and he's also referred to as Orunmila which represent wisdom.

In essence, the messiah, Ela/Jewesun born of a virgin woman is the physical represention of God on earth hence why he's called the only begotten child of God Almighty 📌 The forerunner who came before the messiah was named Orunmila who prepared the path for Ela/Jewesun who's also referred to as Orunmila which represent wisdom. Similar to how Moses was the first priest before the arrival of the messiah, Jesus born of a virgin woman. Can you see the several similarities? Thus my conclusion which is, either the Yoruba parted away from the Hebrew a long time ago or they're just ancient people 🤔

Thanks bro, this make a great read.

Dsimmer:



Yeah. There's also the elephant and star of David while the Solomon knot represent royalties for the Yoruba. The connection with Hebrew is still a mystery to me though.

Btw, Elephant symbolizes strength, integrity, wisdom and good service in Yoruba culture. In fact, when a good man dies, Yoruba would say "Erin wo" which means "the elephant has fallen". Meanwhile, the old black Egyptians always revered the elephant to depict their Pharaoh. There's also the talk of "Ivory" palace in Psalm 45:8 which says "All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad". From the look of it, that was talking about Jesus in the "Ivory" palace since his garment was the one scented with the smell of myrhh and aloe.

While I don't understand Yoruba's deal with the Hebrew, considering the similar names for God and some of the cultures however Yoruba could just be ancient people doing their thing. The other theory is they might have probably parted from the Hebrews while the Hebrews were still in Egypt (recall Moses left Egypt and had even forgotten if he was Hebrew or not after he left Egypt until he was asked to go lead out the Isrealites back to Cannan. In fact, he almost didn't want to circumcise his children). So either that or the Yoruba are ancient people.

As for the core Northerners, it was Arab that destroyed the northern culture while replacing it with dumbnesss and stupidity such as drinking camel urine. In fact, the Core Northern language in Nigeria would have been equally eroded and it was already getting eroded, if not for the British (Rupert East) who asked the core Northerners to write their own Northern language. They also had nothing to present at the time the British were looking for symbol to represent the region thus the British represented them with the Yoruba's Solomon knot design. Anyways, the knot represent royalties in Yoruba. Yoruba's major insignia worn on the body are the bead and cowry which represent creativity, integrity and commerce or the "Solomon knot" woven either by beads or designed. The knot were worn by Yoruba kings to represent divine royalties. For example, The Yoruba throne below with the Solomon knot were given to the Queen of England by the Yoruba. The Yoruba throne has the Solomon knot designed on it, including on the seat which has the Solomon knot design surrounded by feral animal design. Another example below of a Yoruba king in his regalia with the Solomon knot. Btw, the swan/fowl symbol on the regalia represent the progenitor and nurturer. Yoruba king also wear white regalia to depict light/wisdom..

Meanwhile, the star of David considered as David's shield for the Israelites represents law or karma for either good or evil deeds. Eshu who's the Orisha of cross roads represent law of justice/karma and decision making (either good or bad) in Yoruba religion for example. The star of David is two interlocking triangles where the one pointing up represent the good deeds going up while the one pointing down representing the evil deeds. However, we all know these are not enough because there are some unintentional acts or some people doing things without the intention to harm others, for example, an old poor man stealing food to eat thus the need for mercy which is what the messiah represents while the interlocking stars represent the law. Well, in reality tbh, law is needed for orderliness and balance in the society. Of course, Law should be without mercy in reality however justice should be rendered with mercy, especially when such cases warrant it.

As I already stated, I still don't understand Yoruba mystery with the Hebrew. Or it could also be that the Yoruba were just ancient people doing their thing.

Meanwhile, It's high time Yoruba birthed forth the insignia into technical realities the more. It need to be applied in government too.

1. For example, Cowry and Bead represent creativity, commerce and integrity. Hence, the governments need to focus on more investments in commerce and Innovative Creativity which comprises the production industries, including agro industries. This will increase more production at home and the economy the more. Focus on Integrity too.

2. Elephant (Erin) symbolizes integrity, strength, wisdom and service. Speaking of wisdom which is relative to education and enlightenment, of course It will also be good if the government can also empower the government universities to have their own production industries for example. This will also increase more production at home while churning out more talents. Also more Investment in basic civilization (basic amenities such as roads etc).

3. Solomon knot (Ìbọ̀ / Ìbọ̀ onígun mẹ́rin) which symbolizes divine royalty (free born). Thus the need for restructuring and Regionalism which accelerate the development of a country. In fact, the major highlight of the country was when the country was practicing regionalism.

4. Star of David (Orisha Eshu of cross roads which represent law and Justice/karma). It represents law, justice and the prosecution of criminals! If you do the crime, you do the time. It's simple. Of course, mercy can be applied if it warrants it, such as, non intentional acts for example however useless criminals must be dealt with and prosecuted.

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Meanwhile, It's high time Yoruba birthed forth the insignia into technical realities the more. It need to be applied in government too.

1. For example, Cowry and Bead represent creativity, commerce and integrity. Hence, the governments need to focus on more investments in commerce and Innovative Creativity which comprises the production industries, including agro industries. This will increase more production at home and the economy the more. Focus on Integrity too.

2. Elephant (Erin) symbolizes integrity, strength, wisdom and service. Speaking of wisdom which is relative to education and enlightenment, of course It will also be good if the government can also empower the government universities to have their own production industries for example. This will also increase more production at home while churning out more talents. Also more Investment in basic civilization (basic amenities such as roads etc).

3. Solomon knot (Ìbọ̀ / Ìbọ̀ onígun mẹ́rin) which symbolizes divine royalty (free born). Thus the need for restructuring and Regionalism which accelerate the development of a country. In fact, the major highlight of the country was when the country was practicing regionalism.

4. Star of David (Orisha Eshu of cross roads which represent law and Justice/karma). It represents law, justice and the prosecution of criminals! If you do the crime, you do the time. It's simple. Of course, mercy can be applied if it warrants it, such as, non intentional acts for example however useless criminals must be dealt with and prosecuted.

What is the history of solomon knot in yoruba cosmology ?

Olu317:
What is the history of solomon knot in yoruba cosmology ?

Well, the solomon knot is used for divine royalties (freeborn) in Yoruba. The Solomon knot should signifies the Messiah since Yoruba also believe in the Messiah (the word) born of a virgin woman.

Hausawa have been using this Hausa symbol "Dagi' as it is called in Kano Hausa dialet, in Gobir where it originated we refer to it as "sakandami" a royal necklace worn by Sarkin Gobir Mai sakandami who reigned in present day Sokoto, around Isah and Sabon birni local governments. The Hausa architects engrave it in their walls and houses for decoration purposes.

Those are not Solomon knot but Hausa symbol, don't confuse yourselves in the quest to claim what belongs to Hausawa. A Yoruba who didn't how the term Yoruba come to existence,.that it was Hausawa who gave them the name "Ƴanriba" which later transformed to Yoruba.

Dsimmer:


Well, the solomon knot is used for divine royalties (freeborn) in Yoruba. The Solomon knot should signifies the Messiah since Yoruba also believe in the Messiah (the word) born of a virgin woman.

Musasodangi:
Those are not Solomon knot but Hausa symbol, don't confuse yourselves in the quest to claim what belongs to Hausawa. A Yoruba who didn't how the term Yoruba come to existence,.that it was Hausawa who gave them the name "Ƴanriba" which later transformed to Yoruba.

The delusion from an idiot. The Solomon knot which has a cross symbol used for royalties symbol by the Yoruba was Hausa symbol? You dey craze. If you were not stupid, you would see the knot design on Ife crown and also the Yoruba thrones presented to the Queen of England. The Hausa had nothing to present at the time the British were asking for symbol to use, thus the British used Yoruba's Ìbò (Solomon knot) for the Hausa and with the Yoruba word, arewa.

As for the name "Yoruba", it only has its meaning in Yoruba language. It's "Yo'oba" fully expatiated as "Oyo Ori Oba" which means "Oyo is the headking".. it's a prophetic word which Oyo folks were bearing as given by Oranmiyan & Sango until the whole Yoruba start to bear the name. 9ice expatiated it in his "gongo aso" song with the proverb line "Ajise bi Oyo laari, Oyo ko sebi Baba enikan"

The "Yo'oba" (Oyo Ori Oba) name itself is in Yoruba proverb, as stated in 9ice song.

Of course there are several mysterious similarities between the Yoruba and the Hebrews. However, it could also be that the Yoruba are ancient people just doing their things.

Dsimmer:


Well, the solomon knot is used for divine royalties (freeborn) in Yoruba. The Solomon knot should signifies the Messiah since Yoruba also believe in the Messiah (the word) born of a virgin woman.

Yoruba believed in Messiah ? This is my first time of reading or seeing.

Can you shed more light since, I am not familiar with such personality in Yoruba spirituality.

Do Yoruba spirituality of Ifaodu talks about it ?

I will follow this thread closely.

Especially the Messiah and dual Oduduwa angle.

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