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The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by DappaD: 2:12pm On Aug 07, 2021
Over the decades & centuries, several persons including those yearning for truth have been puzzled by the identity of the people in this Bible verse, Revelation 7:9 which reads:

“After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every nation and of all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, arrayed in white robes, and palms in their hands;”—American Standard Version

Some people are of the opinion this set of persons are Christians who later go to heaven and become spirit beings, others are of the opinion that this group of persons are faithful servants of God who will survive the great tribulation and be ushered into a new world so that the righteous ones would dwell forever on earth.

But before we get to know their identity, i.e. whether they are spirit beings in heaven or humans on earth, I think it would be best to say from the onset that this Scripture also serves as a thorn in the side to those one-man-mopol-Christians grin . Reason being that this Scripture aptly describes an earthwide brotherhood(1Peter 2:17, 5:9), a unified group with the same line of thought (1Corinthians 1:10) who are serving their God shoulder to shoulder. Zephaniah 3:9

Follow me as we find out the identity of the “great multitude”. It’s an open discussion so comments and contributions are encouraged. Feel free to air your views even though they may not be sound enough.
Note: I do not respond to trolls or those only wanting to argue.
Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by DappaD: 2:15pm On Aug 07, 2021
Getting to find out the identity of this “great multitude”, involves knowing where they are located. Revelation 7:9,15 mentions they are stationed before the throne of God. Does that mean they are in heaven? Evidence from within the Bible shows this is not so. Isaiah 66:1a says, “Thus saith Jehovah, Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool:”—American Standard Version.

Normally, we all know what a throne and footstool are. But notice that God said that the earth is his footstool? And where is the footstool located? Before the throne of course!



Hence, the “great multitude” standing before the throne means they are on earth, which is God’s footstool.
Next is to find out whether these group of persons are really humans or whether they are spirit beings, because being on earth is not enough to deduce whether they are humans or spirit beings.
Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by DappaD: 2:51pm On Aug 07, 2021
DappaD:
Getting to find out the identity of this “great multitude”, involves knowing where they are located. Revelation 7:9,15 mentions they are stationed before the throne of God. Does that mean they are in heaven? Evidence from within the Bible shows this is not so. Isaiah 66:1a says, “Thus saith Jehovah, Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool:”—American Standard Version.
Normally, we all know what a throne and footstool are. But notice that God said that the earth is his footstool? And where is the footstool located? Before the throne of course!

Hence, the “great multitude” standing before the throne means they are on earth, which is God’s footstool.


Next is to find out whether these group of persons are really humans or whether they are spirit beings, because being on earth is not enough to deduce whether they are humans or spirit beings.



The entire Bible is inspired of God’s holy spirit(2Timothy 3:16) so if Scripture is compared with Scripture, the truth about certain concepts will become clearer. So further investigations in the Scriptures which will show whether the “great multitude” of Revelation 7:9 are spirits in heaven or human on earth is stated at Revelation 7:15 & 17

vs. 15:
“And so they stand before the throne of God and worship him in his temple day and night. The one who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them.

vs. 17:
“The Lamb in the center of the throne will be their shepherd. He will lead them to streams of life-giving water, and God will wipe all tears from their eyes

It is interesting to note the highlighted words so as to know the identity of this “great multitude”. The reason being that those words were found later in the same book of Revelation.

Now look at this Scripture.

Revelation 21:3-4
“I heard a loud voice from the throne say, "See, the tent of God is among humans! He will make his home with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them. He will wipe all tears from their eyes, and there will be no more death, suffering, crying, or pain. These things of the past are gone forever.”

Now take note of the highlighted words in Revelation 21:3-4 and compare them to Revelation 7:15,17 that talks about the “great multitude”. Whom does the Scripture say God will spread his tent over and those whom God will wipe out every tear from their eyes? Revelation 21:3 has answered the riddle: HUMANS! that is, flesh and blood are the “great multitude” of Revelation 7:9 who will inhabit the earth and live forever on it after the wicked will be gone during the great tribulation. Psalm 37:10,11; Revelation 7:14
Thank you all for your contributions and this is where we will draw the curtain as regards the topic since the riddle has been solved.
Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:13pm On Aug 07, 2021
Please i have a question!
Could this be the same multitude mentioned here?

And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare to THOSE WHO DWELL ON THE EARTH, to every nation and tribe and tongue and people.
Revelations 14:6
Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by DappaD: 3:29pm On Aug 07, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Please i have a question!
Could this be the same multitude mentioned here?
And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare to THOSE WHO DWELL ON THE EARTH, to every nation and tribe and tongue and people.
Revelations 14:6

Question for the audience or OP? wink
Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:46pm On Aug 07, 2021
Perhaps you should allow others solve that for me! smiley

DappaD:

Question for the audience or OP? wink
Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by Kayberg: 3:47pm On Aug 07, 2021
JW's lies and misconceptions.

Read the Bible and understand before you go out to teach, else you'd have nothing to teach other than self conceived doctrines and heresies.

If the great multitude came out of the great tribulation which they had in the world, why would they be returned to the same world which will be melted according to:

“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.”
— 2 Peter 3:10 (KJV)

and;

“And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.”
— Revelation 20:11 (KJV)

If you really love this world that much as to always return or remain on it, will you call the LORD JESUS CHRIST a liar for always saying, "Heaven and earth shall pass away…."?

Or have you had your pages of Revelation 21 removed or torn off your Bible?

Just a tip, says,:

Revelation 21 (KJV)
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¹ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
² And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Come on!
Stop these heresies already.
It's annoying.

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Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:59pm On Aug 07, 2021
Kayberg:
JW's lies and misconceptions.

Read the Bible and understand before you go out to teach, else you'd have nothing to teach other than self conceived doctrines and heresies.

If the great multitude came out of the great tribulation which they had in the world, why would they be returned to the same world which will be melted according to:

“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.”
— 2 Peter 3:10 (KJV)

and;

“And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.”
— Revelation 20:11 (KJV)

If you really love this world that much as to always return or remain on it, will you call the LORD JESUS CHRIST a liar for always saying, "Heaven and earth shall pass away…."?

Come on!
Stop these heresies already.
It's annoying.

I noticed that you said nothing about the HEAVEN that will also be DESTROYED by FIRE, but keep emphasizing on EARTH whereas both were mentioned together for destruction!

So where will God, Jesus, angels and all those that followed Jesus to heaven be by then? John 14:1-4

Please can you expatiate on these Bible verses?

Psalms 37:9-11
Proverbs 2:20-22
And


Do not love either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but the one who does the will of God remains forever. 1John 2:15-17 undecided

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Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by Kayberg: 4:02pm On Aug 07, 2021
MaxInDHouse:


I noticed that you said nothing about the HEAVEN that will also be DESTROYED by FIRE, but keep emphasizing on EARTH whereas both were mentioned together for destruction!

So where will God, Jesus, angels and all those that followed Jesus to heaven be by then? John 14:1-4

Please can you expatiate on these Bible verses?

Psalms 37:9-11
Proverbs 2:20-22
And


Do not love either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but the one who does the will of God remains forever. 1John 2:15-17 undecided



Haha!

I said it that you have torn your Bible bro!
Particularly, the book of Revelation.

But let me break it down for you.

Was JESUS CHRIST lying about heaven and earth passing away?

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Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:11pm On Aug 07, 2021
Kayberg:

Haha!
I said it that you have torn your Bible bro!
Particularly, the book of Revelation.
But let me break it down for you.
Was JESUS CHRIST lying about heaven and earth passing away?

What did he meant when he said:

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:5

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. John 5:28-29


Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never,, die. Believest thou this? John 11:24-26


Jesus talked about the earth to be inherited by the righteous {Psalms 37:29} please can you explain what he meant? undecided
Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by DappaD: 4:21pm On Aug 07, 2021
Thank you for your contribution, Kayberg. Can we reason on this or do you want to argue?

Does not the statement:
“These are the ones who come out from the great tribulation” mean they are going to survive the great tribulation or does it mean they will escape it and not face it? If we’re going by the highlighted, then how can the “great multitude” come out of what they were never inside before?

Does the statement at Acts 7:10(Berean Bible) : and [God] rescued him[Joseph] out of all his tribulations, mean that Joseph escaped all the tribulations and problems or did he survive it? Food for thought!


Moreover, according to the same 2Peter chapter 3 which you’re quoting, the verses 5 & 6 says that the former world(heavens and earth) were destroyed, yet are we not living on that same earth? Or did God create a new one? Peter said that there are some Scriptural concepts that would be hard to understand(2Peter 3:16) so when you see a statement like “heaven and earth will pass away”, do not take it literally since both term can mean something else.
So be rest assured, the earth is going no where as God promised after the Flood of Noah. Genesis 8:21 see also Psalm 104:5, Ecclesiastes 1:4

Kayberg:
JW's lies and misconceptions.
Read the Bible and understand before you go out to teach, else you'd have nothing to teach other than self conceived doctrines and heresies.
If the great multitude came out of the great tribulation which they had in the world, why would they be returned to the same world which will be melted according to:
“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.”
— 2 Peter 3:10 (KJV)
and;
“And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.”
— Revelation 20:11 (KJV)
If you really love this world that much as to always return or remain on it, will you call the LORD JESUS CHRIST a liar for always saying, "Heaven and earth shall pass away…."?
Or have you had your pages of Revelation 21 removed or torn off your Bible?
Just a tip, says,:
Revelation 21 (KJV)¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
¹ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
² And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Come on!
Stop these heresies already.
It's annoying.

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Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by DappaD: 4:27pm On Aug 07, 2021
At least if the Bible should ever say the earth will be destroyed, it would be sort of understandable because of the wickedness of men but the Bible does not say such, rather it says it is the wicked ones who will be destroyed(Psalm 37:10, 2Peter 3:7c) and that the earth will remain forever. Psalm 78:69, 104:5, 119:90, Ecclesiastes 1:4

But now what could the heaven where God resides have possibly done for God to destroy that place with fire? This is where Kayberg lost it.


MaxInDHouse:

I noticed that you said nothing about the HEAVEN that will also be DESTROYED by FIRE, but keep emphasizing on EARTH whereas both were mentioned together for destruction!
So where will God, Jesus, angels and all those that followed Jesus to heaven be by then? John 14:1-4
Please can you expatiate on these Bible verses?
Psalms 37:9-11
Proverbs 2:20-22
And
Do not love either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but the one who does the will of God remains forever. 1John 2:15-17 undecided

Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by DappaD: 4:36pm On Aug 07, 2021
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Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by Kayberg: 4:40pm On Aug 07, 2021
DappaD:
Thank you for your contribution, Kayberg. Can we reason on this or do you want to argue?

Does not the statement:
“These are the ones who come out from the great tribulation” mean they are going to survive the great tribulation or does it mean they will escape it and not face it? If we’re going by the highlighted, then how can the “great multitude” come out of what they were never inside before?

Does the statement at Acts 7:10(Berean Bible) : and [God] rescued him[Joseph] out of all his tribulations, mean that Joseph escaped all the tribulations and problems or did he survive it? Food for thought!


Moreover, according to the same 2Peter chapter 3 which you’re quoting, the verses 5 & 6 says that the former world(heavens and earth) were destroyed, yet are we not living on that same earth? Or did God create a new one? Peter said that there are some Scriptural concepts that would be hard to understand(2Peter 3:16) so when you see a statement like “heaven and earth will pass away”, do not take it literally since both term can mean something else.
So be rest assured, the earth is going no where as God promised after the Flood of Noah. Genesis 8:21 see also Psalm 104:5, Ecclesiastes 1:4




Those who came out of the great tribulation are those who went through it, but held their faith still.

The reason for you not to believe that this world will be no more is because you think it is too large for GOD to terminate it.

Have you not read that GOD created all things, and for 'HIS pleasure they are, and were created?'
Now, what do you think will happen to the earth if the pleasure of sustaining it is no longer in GOD, since He had created a new one?

Is this earth clean before you?
Is this earth clean before GOD?
Was there no seas on this earth?
Will the seas be dried up?
Will GOD return all souls back to this world after resurrection?

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Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:42pm On Aug 07, 2021
Lost wetin? cheesy

Wait until he returns from his pastor you go hear wen! grin

DappaD:
At least if the Bible should ever say the earth will be destroyed, it would be sort of understandable because of the wickedness of men but the Bible does not say such, rather it says it is the wicked ones who will be destroyed(Psalm 37:10, 2Peter 3:7c) and that the earth will remain forever. Psalm 78:69, 104:5, 119:90, Ecclesiastes 1:4
But now what could the heaven where God resides have possibly done for God to destroy that place with fire? This is where Kayberg lost it.
Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:44pm On Aug 07, 2021
Over to you brother DappaD!

Your return visit! smiley

Kayberg:


Those who came out of the great tribulation are those who went through it, but held their faith still.

The reason for you not to believe that this world will be no more is because you think it is too large for GOD to terminate it.

Have you not read that GOD created all things, and for 'HIS pleasure they are, and were created?'
Now, what do you think will happen to the earth if the pleasure of sustaining it is no longer in GOD, since He had created a new one?

Is this earth clean before you?
Is this earth clean before GOD?
Was there no seas on this earth?
Will the seas be dried up?
Will GOD return all souls back to this world after resurrection?

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Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by Kayberg: 4:48pm On Aug 07, 2021
DappaD:
At least if the Bible should ever say the earth will be destroyed, it would be sort of understandable because of the wickedness of men but the Bible does not say such, rather it says it is the wicked ones who will be destroyed(Psalm 37:10, 2Peter 3:7c) and that the earth will remain forever. Psalm 78:69, 104:5, 119:90, Ecclesiastes 1:4

But now what could the heaven where God resides have possibly done for God to destroy that place with fire? This is where Kayberg lost it.



The Bible wasn't clear enough on the termination of the world, or you just couldn't bring yourself to understand what the Bible was actually saying?

Have you ever brought yourself to understand that the wordings of the Bible, spoken and written by GOD'S inspired people are spirit?
Truly, GOD is going to destroy the wicked. But how and in where?
The 'earth' will remain forever, yes! But which of the earth?

Have you not come across these words spoken by GOD and recorded in the Scriptures:

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
— Isaiah 65:17 (KJV)

“For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.”
— Isaiah 66:22 (KJV)

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Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by DappaD: 4:48pm On Aug 07, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Over to you brother DappaD!

Your return visit! smiley



grin grin
Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by Kayberg: 4:53pm On Aug 07, 2021
DappaD, MaxInDHouse

When GOD mapped out the heaven and earth for destruction, did GOD say anything about the 'heaven of heavens' also for termination?
Because that is where GOD resides!

So, I Kayberg, didn't lose it as you claimed and thought. But you rather missed it.

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Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by Kayberg: 4:55pm On Aug 07, 2021
DappaD:
Getting to find out the identity of this “great multitude”, involves knowing where they are located. Revelation 7:9,15 mentions they are stationed before the throne of God. Does that mean they are in heaven? Evidence from within the Bible shows this is not so. Isaiah 66:1a says, “Thus saith Jehovah, Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool:”—American Standard Version.

Normally, we all know what a throne and footstool are. But notice that God said that the earth is his footstool? And where is the footstool located? Before the throne of course!



Hence, the “great multitude” standing before the throne means they are on earth, which is God’s footstool.
Next is to find out whether these group of persons are really humans or whether they are spirit beings, because being on earth is not enough to deduce whether they are humans or spirit beings.


So, your error here, the Bible said they were before the throne of GOD, not in HIS footstool.
Take note.

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Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by DappaD: 4:57pm On Aug 07, 2021
Okay so they will go through the great tribulation and then be transported to heaven only to come back to another earth? grin

Kayberg, God said he will NEVER again destroy the works of his hands on account of man again. Genesis 8:21
If God can say that, then those other Scriptures need to have different meanings. 2Peter 3:16


As for the last statement, Isaiah 26:19 says about the resurrection:

“Your dead will live; their bodies will rise. Awake and sing, you who dwell in the dust! For your dew is like the dew of the morning, and the earth will bring forth her dead.”

Concerning the resurrection, which of the earths will bring forth the dead? The one on which the said dead people lost their lives or another one?

Kayberg:

Those who came out of the great tribulation are those who went through it, but held their faith still.
The reason for you not to believe that this world will be no more is because you think it is too large for GOD to terminate it.
Have you not read that GOD created all things, and for 'HIS pleasure they are, and were created?'
Now, what do you think will happen to the earth if the pleasure of sustaining it is no longer in GOD, since He had created a new one?
Is this earth clean before you?
Is this earth clean before GOD?
Was there no seas on this earth?
Will the seas be dried up?

Will GOD return all souls back to this world after resurrection?
Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by DappaD: 5:00pm On Aug 07, 2021
Kayberg:

So, your error here, the Bible said they were before the throne of GOD, not in HIS footstool.
Take note.

That’s why I stated:

DappaD:

Normally, we all know what a throne and footstool are. But notice that God said that the earth is his footstool? And where is the footstool located? Before the throne of course!




Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:02pm On Aug 07, 2021
Kayberg:

DappaD, MaxInDHouse
When GOD mapped out the heaven and earth for destruction, did GOD say anything about the 'heaven of heavens' also for termination?
Because that is where GOD resides!
So, I Kayberg, didn't lose it as you claimed and thought. But you rather missed it.

What you quoted is Heaven and Earth.
And according to God's word Heaven is where God resides while humans live here on earth! Psalms 115:16

So if you're now changing the text then you need to explain what God meant when He promised that this earth will remain forever!

Genesis 8:21; Psalms 78:69; 104:5; 119:90; Ecclesiastes 1:4

God keep assuring that this Earth will last forever, obviously you don't understand what you quoted Sir. If you need our help we will teach you but if you feel you know then explain what God meant in those cited scriptures! smiley

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Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by Kayberg: 5:07pm On Aug 07, 2021
DappaD:
Okay so they will go through the great tribulation and then be transported to heaven only to come back to another earth? grin

Kayberg, God said he will NEVER again destroy the works of his hands on account of man again. Genesis 8:21
If God can say that, then those other Scriptures need to have different meanings. 2Peter 3:16


As for the last statement, Isaiah 26:19 says about the resurrection:

“Your dead will live; their bodies will rise. Awake and sing, you who dwell in the dust! For your dew is like the dew of the morning, and the earth will bring forth her dead.”

Concerning the resurrection, which of the earths will bring forth the dead? The one on which the said dead people lost their lives or another one?


GOD said, HE will never again destroy every living thing', yes, you forgot to include 'with flood' as HE had done:

“And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.”
— Genesis 8:21 (KJV)

Humans are also of the works of HIS hands. But He will destroy them with fire out of heaven and with the fowls of the air.

Revelation 19 (KJV)
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¹⁷ And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
¹⁸ That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
¹⁹ And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
²⁰ And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
²¹ And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

And as you can see, GOD kept HIS Word. No more global wipeout by the flood.

About resurrection, the day is sure coming, and the dead shall be awakened from this present earth. GOD need no graves in the new earth.

No disputing that because our LORD JESUS CHRIST said so.
Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by obonujoker(m): 5:09pm On Aug 07, 2021
Kayberg:
JW's lies and misconceptions.

Read the Bible and understand before you go out to teach, else you'd have nothing to teach other than self conceived doctrines and heresies.

If the great multitude came out of the great tribulation which they had in the world, why would they be returned to the same world which will be melted according to:

“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.”
— 2 Peter 3:10 (KJV)

and;

“And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.”
— Revelation 20:11 (KJV)

If you really love this world that much as to always return or remain on it, will you call the LORD JESUS CHRIST a liar for always saying, "Heaven and earth shall pass away…."?

Or have you had your pages of Revelation 21 removed or torn off your Bible?

Just a tip, says,:

Revelation 21 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
¹ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
² And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Come on!
Stop these heresies already.
It's annoying.

Oga, Jesus will reign a thousand years on earth after the defeat of the Antichrist... You see why we always beg you to read the Bible and stop listening to YouTube propaganda grin
Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by Kayberg: 5:12pm On Aug 07, 2021
MaxInDHouse:


What you quoted is Heaven and Earth.
And according to God's word Heaven is where God resides while humans live here on earth! Psalms 115:16

So if you're now changing the text then you need to explain what God meant when He promised that this earth will remain forever!

Genesis 8:21; Psalms 78:69; 104:5; 119:90; Ecclesiastes 1:4

God keep assuring that this Earth will last forever, obviously you don't understand what you quoted Sir. If you need our help we will teach you but if you feel you know then explain what God meant in those cited scriptures! smiley

If you haven't come across it from the Bible, here they are about the heaven of heavens.

“Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.”
— Deuteronomy 10:14 (KJV)

“But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?”
— 1 Kings 8:27 (KJV)

“Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.”
— Nehemiah 9:6 (KJV)
Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by Kayberg: 5:14pm On Aug 07, 2021
obonujoker:


Oga, Jesus will reign a thousand years on earth after the defeat of the Antichrist... You see why we always beg you to read the Bible and stop listening to YouTube propaganda grin

Youtube?
You thought that was supposed to be hilarious, but sorry, it ain't.
We are talking about understanding the Bible and its content of the spirit here, not Youtube videos.
OK?
Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by Kayberg: 5:16pm On Aug 07, 2021
MaxInDHouse:


What you quoted is Heaven and Earth.
And according to God's word Heaven is where God resides while humans live here on earth! Psalms 115:16

So if you're now changing the text then you need to explain what God meant when He promised that this earth will remain forever!

Genesis 8:21; Psalms 78:69; 104:5; 119:90; Ecclesiastes 1:4

God keep assuring that this Earth will last forever, obviously you don't understand what you quoted Sir. If you need our help we will teach you but if you feel you know then explain what God meant in those cited scriptures! smiley

Already done, but perhaps you didn't read due to its length.
Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by obonujoker(m): 5:19pm On Aug 07, 2021
People do not even understand the Bible.

1. Antichrist comes. Deceives the whole world, and then persecute the believers

2. Jesus comes to RAPTURE the saints out of world after 7 years of the beast reign

3. God pours out his bowls of wrath on the Antichrist and everyone who was deceived willingly to receive his mark

4. Jesus millennial reign begins after the Antichrist is destroyed with his armies at Armageddon, and is cast into the lake of fire. The saints reign with Christ, and Satan is bound a thousand years

5. After the thousand years is over, Satan is loosed and deceives Gog and Magog (those who didn't die during the Armageddon and still refuse to accept the lordship of our master Jesus Christ). Satan is defeated and cast into the lake of fire

6. Great throne white judgement. The earth is melted away, and every human being is judged, dead and alive. Some to eternal life and other to eternal destruction

7. Finally a new heaven and a new earth.

All these pales to utter insignificance though, if you have not accepted Jesus as your Lord and personal saviour. "ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE, HALLELUJAH"
Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by DappaD: 5:20pm On Aug 07, 2021
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Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by DappaD: 5:21pm On Aug 07, 2021
ONCE AGAIN!



DappaD:
Getting to find out the identity of this “great multitude”, involves knowing where they are located. Revelation 7:9,15 mentions they are stationed before the throne of God. Does that mean they are in heaven? Evidence from within the Bible shows this is not so. Isaiah 66:1a says, “Thus saith Jehovah, Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool:”—American Standard Version.
Normally, we all know what a throne and footstool are. But notice that God said that the earth is his footstool? And where is the footstool located? Before the throne of course!

Hence, the “great multitude” standing before the throne means they are on earth, which is God’s footstool.


Next is to find out whether these group of persons are really humans or whether they are spirit beings, because being on earth is not enough to deduce whether they are humans or spirit beings.



The entire Bible is inspired of God’s holy spirit(2Timothy 3:16) so if Scripture is compared with Scripture, the truth about certain concepts will become clearer. So further investigations in the Scriptures which will show whether the “great multitude” of Revelation 7:9 are spirits in heaven or human on earth is stated at Revelation 7:15 & 17

vs. 15:
“And so they stand before the throne of God and worship him in his temple day and night. The one who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them.

vs. 17:
“The Lamb in the center of the throne will be their shepherd. He will lead them to streams of life-giving water, and God will wipe all tears from their eyes

It is interesting to note the highlighted words so as to know the identity of this “great multitude”. The reason being that those words were found later in the same book of Revelation.

Now look at this Scripture.

Revelation 21:3-4
“I heard a loud voice from the throne say, "See, the tent of God is among humans! He will make his home with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them. He will wipe all tears from their eyes, and there will be no more death, suffering, crying, or pain. These things of the past are gone forever.”

Now take note of the highlighted words in Revelation 21:3-4 and compare them to Revelation 7:15,17 that talks about the “great multitude”. Whom does the Scripture say God will spread his tent over and those whom God will wipe out every tear from their eyes? Revelation 21:3 has answered the riddle: HUMANS! that is, flesh and blood are the “great multitude” of Revelation 7:9 who will inhabit the earth and live forever on it after the wicked will be gone during the great tribulation. Psalm 37:10,11; Revelation 7:14
Thank you all for your contributions and this is where we will draw the curtain as regards the topic since the riddle has been solved.
Re: The Identity Of The “Great Multitude” Of Revelation 7:9 by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:26pm On Aug 07, 2021
You didn't address the question i raised! undecided

God promised that earth will remain FOREVER so are you saying God's words are not reliable? smiley

Kayberg:


If you haven't come across it from the Bible, here they are about the heaven of heavens.

“Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.”
— Deuteronomy 10:14 (KJV)

“But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?”
— 1 Kings 8:27 (KJV)

“Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.”
— Nehemiah 9:6 (KJV)

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