JOHN FRUM MOVEMENT PROTOTYPE

"'E look like you. 'E got white face. 'E tall man. 'E live long ago in America." These are the descriptions a follower of Cargo cult gave in an [interview] with David Attenborough, an English Anthropologist working with BBC Natural History Unit, about a divinity of the spiritual circle. A literal white American service man known as John 'Frum' is venerated as a Deity among the people in Vanuatu, an island country located in the South Pacific Ocean. It is generally believed among the adherents that John appeared to elders in the late 1930s, though some claim the movement started 30 years earlier putting John Frum appearance to 1910s.

As posted on Smithsonian Magazine] , Paul Raffaele on his journey to Island of Tanna, he met with Chief Isaac Wan Nikiau, the chief priest of the movement who gave detailed information about the cult belief system. “John Frum came to help us get back our traditional customs, our kava drinking, our dancing, because the missionaries and colonial government were deliberately destroying our culture.”
“He promised he’ll bring planeloads and shiploads of cargo containing Radios, TVs, trucks, boats, watches, iceboxes, medicine, Coca-Cola, canned meat, candies and many other wonderful things to us from America if we pray to him.”

Raffaele pondered; “but if John Frum, an American, is going to bring you modern goods, how does that sit with his wish that you lead a kastom life?”

Chief Isaac answered; “John is a spirit. He knows everything. He is powerful.”

Raffaele: “Have you ever seen him?”

Chief Isaac: “Yes, John comes very often from Yasur to advise me, or I go there to speak with John.”

Raffaele: “What does he look like?”

Chief Isaac: “An American!”

Raffaele: “Then why does he live in Yasur?”

Chief Isaac: “John moves from America to Yasur and back, going down through the volcano and under the sea.”

No one knows who Frum is. There is no physical evidence he existed. However, some anthropologists concluded that the natives may have heard stories of such an English man or at least met an English service man cladded in US Army uniform who claimed he is "John From (somewhere)". The high tech equipments in possession of the 'Yankee Messiah' dazzled the natives who made a religion out of their experiences. This provided us with blueprint of how religion is decisively or indecisively framed from experiences or agenda, around fabulous fabrications like apocalypse, vision, miracle, martyrdom, divinities, etc.






jamesid29 Plaetton

You hit the nail on its head...

FOLYKAZE:
JOHN FRUM MOVEMENT PROTOTYPE


jamesid29 Plaetton

Baba na here you dey mellow. You no talk anything since. But wetin dey shele gan gan?

Why did you break her phones and beat her with a stool? Were you feeling hurt by her words or vengeful by her actions?

What was the motive of using a stool? Was it just a move spurred by your anger or a deliberate attempt to leave a mark on her or even kill her?

Baba wetin dey happen gan gan?

22jumpstreet:
You hit the nail on its head...

Is he your friend? You probably need to say something too on the matter on ground.

Beloved3:


Is he your friend? You probably need to say something too on the matter on ground.

I have always maintained that Jesus is a Roman creation...by extension Christianity...

Take your time to watch this video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G4Gd7qyQu0

22jumpstreet:


I have always maintained that Jesus is a Roman creation...by extension Christianity...

Take your time to watch this video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G4Gd7qyQu0

It must be a very perfect creation then to take the world by storm.

What a creation by man.

This is the full history of how Jesus Christ was created

Common Era 4 : 1- 44

Chapter Four
1. Saul was a male homo sapiens born in the 280,007th year of the homo sapiens era, same as the 7CE. The name of his father was Maximus. Now Maximus, a man who loved phiosophy, began to train his son in philosophy but when his wife died, he could not continue.
2. The death of Junia his wife affected him so much such that he began to fall ill. Saul was only eight years old when his mother died. He could not be pacified by his father who said to him, the gods understand our plight.
3. Then Saul said, if the gods understand, why can they not do anything about it to prevent the death of my mother? Maximus had not provided the answer to the question of Saul before he died. When he had died, the house which he dwelt was offered for sale.
4. Then Gamaliel, being a young man known in Jerusalem for his mastery of the Jewish tradition, came to inspect the house. For he thought to buy it for a place of abode where he could go to have some rest whenever he was on break.
5. Now Gamaliel discovered that the child of the house owner was there. So he adopted Saul and took him to Jerusalem to live with his own children who were kids also. So Saul grew in Jerusalem in the house of Gamaliel. And those who knew him thought of him as a Jew.
6. Now when Gamaliel had been promoted, he was well famed in Jerusalem. He was a very good orator also, this he taught Saul and his own children. He also taught them about Yahweh and all the things written in the Torah.
7. Now Saul wondered how in Tarsus, the people went about believing other gods but in Judea, the god called Yahweh was the one they believed, yet there seemed to be no suspicion of falsehood with either of their beliefs. Then Saul concluded in his mind that the gods of the earth were localised rather than global.
8. When Saul was of the age twenty-nine, he was well versed in philosophy, for he studied the philosophies of the Greeks, including the ones of Plato and Aristotle. Then he began to observe histories of different places. He saw that at every point in time, the gods of the people changed.
9. Then Saul decided to bring a change to the god of the Jews and of the Greeks and Romans, thinking that if he could unite the gods of the people, turning them into a single god, there would be peace among the three cultures. Then equally, the prophecy of the coming 'messiah' whom the Jews expected would have a fulfillment in the god which he would make.
10. So Saul obtained the names of two Greek gods named Zeus and Dionysus and one of the Roman gods originating from the Gaulish, named Esus. Then he came about a name called Zeusus. He did so when he was aged 42 years old.
11. When he showed this to Varnavas his colleague, he agreed with him that the name of that god should be called Zeusus. However, the name was Romanized to Iesus when an unexpected aged man named Philo visited them from Alexandria.
12. This man revealed 'Zeusus' as the name which the god should be called, even before he saw the name written by Saul and Varnavas. But one young man named Apollos differed, for he revealed the name Hesbon, which was different from that revealed by the other three.
13. Then Apollos departed from them to speak of Hesbon his own god.
14. Then Philo advised that the name should be properly romanised because the Romans shall not accept anything less of their language. For they were the superior people at that time. So the name of the god was called Iesus.
15. Then Kristus was chosen to be the name of his title, for it was the romanised form of Krista, who was commonly regarded as a saviour in the Hindu culture.
16. Now Saul kept away his identity as a godmaker and continued to associate with the Jews. And when he went to be with the few people whom he and his colleagues had converted to Christianity, he also behaved like one of them.
17. Now a year after the death of Philo his motivator, his foster father Gamaliel also died. Then Saul went to Jerusalem to observe his funeral rites. He went with some of his christian converts and ordered them all to keep silent concerning the doctrine of Iesus which he had taught them.
18. Then one of the people said to him, why do you tell us to keep silent concerning the messiah whom they expect? Should they not know that this messiah has come and they have connived with the Jews to kill him?
19. Now Saul said, it is not time for Jerusalem to know this. Therefore keep your peace. So no one in Jerusalem suspected that Saul, whom they knew as a pharisee had begun another religion.
20. When Saul, well known as Paul, had found Marcus, a young man who was very skilled at writing, he said to him, Marcus, you shall be he who shall write for us a good story concerning this god Iesus Kristus which we have made.
21. So Marcus began to write the story, according to the thoughts of his head, but he worked with the materials of history so that he could put fictitious events which he claimed to have occured in their best places in history.
22. Now when Marcus wrote deep into the night on a particular date, he fell into a trance and saw some people who said to him, you are in the right track. For your purpose on earth is to indeed write history for Iesus Krista who was formerly called Faulkin in the past world.
23. But he has rejected to be reincarnated into your world at this era because his personality has changed. His desires have changed also, saying, what is the pleasure derived from deception? I shall not deceive the whole world twice. I shall not also allow the prophecy of Waldis the firstborn female of all living creatures to be fulfilled over me. For she said of me, he will deceive the world twice.
24. Now Marcus, the god of Judea is interested in the god which you have made, knowing that through this god alone can his name be made famous all over the world. Therefore go and write great things concerning this god.
25. Whatever you think, write, for they have our inspirations in them. And if need be, you shall make adjustments, because we cannot see the future of your world all at once, but only bit by bit.
26. Be conversant with the current happenings in your world and by these happenings shall you make adjustments every now and then.
27. When Marcus awoke, he went to tell Paul, Varnavas and other chief Christians the things which he had seen. And he said, I saw myself in the past. For the things which we do presently seemed to be what we had done in the past.
28. When Marcus had written down things concerning Iesus Krista, Paul and Varnavas checked and were satisfied with what he had written. Around that time, report came to Paul that Apollos went about to preach concerning a god named Hesbon.
29. Now the things which Apollos preached were similar to the teachings of Paul, but the names of the gods whom they preached were different. Therefore Paul, knowing that Apollos was a better speaker than himself, approached him and said, let us not be divided between ourselves.
30. I have heard how some people already say that they are for you while some say that they belong to me. This will bring division and neither your religion nor mine shall stand. Therefore let us do things in common and preach the same god.
31. Now Apollos said, I am not satisfied with the use of the name Zeus to make a new god. But from Hesus and Boni have I made up the word Hesbon. However, I got a revelation and a personality named Hesbon actually appeared to me and revealed to me that he is real.
32. He said that the picking of the two names to make up one is not by coincidence, because any names or words picked at random can lead to something already in existence when they are put together to form one. This is the power in the use of words.
33. Therefore I shall not drop the name Hesbon for the god which I tell the people about because truly this Hesbon exists. Moreso, I hate Zeus from the depth of my soul, yet I cannot tell the reason for my hatred towards him.
34. Now Paul said, what do you think of the name Iesus? Truly it was not a coincidence that both Philo and I produced the same name Zeusus for that god. And when we worked upon it, we had the name Iesus.
35. Then I dreamt that such name actually existed in the past. This is to say that the coincidences of the present are the actual happenings of the past.
36. Then Marcus, the cousin of Varnavas also dreamt of the reality of this Iesus. Therefore we believe that this name is the most befitting for the god we have made.
37. Now when both Paul and Apollos could not agree at a single name, Paul said, for our religion to become one and to last long or forever, let us use the title Christus rather than the names Iesus or Hesbon.
38. So henceforth no one shall hear the names Iesus or Hesbon from our mouths or in our scripts, but Christus shall they see and hear. So from then on, both Apollos and Paul became united. And Apollos was a better speaker than Paul, so it was he who did much of the talking while Paul concentrated more in the writing of letters and scripts to the converts of different places.
39. Now Paul had different followers, including John, the brother of a certain Jacob who was killed when he challenged Agrippa the king concerning how he had kept silent about the matter of the stolen boats of Zebedi his father.
40. And when John had paid much attention to the whole concept of Iesus Kristus as presented by Paul and Apollos, he said, I can make a better write-up than Marcus. So John began to write concerning Iesus Kristus. And it was he who first revealed that Iesus Krista was the word who became flesh.
41. And he wrote of himself and James his late brother as if they existed with that Iesus Kristus. And when he fell into a trance, he was told that both himself and James actually existed with Zeusus Krista of the past world.
42. When Paul began to show much interest in the scripts written by John over that which Marcus had written, Varnavas was jealous and dissatisfied, because Paul had sidelined the scripts of his cousin. Then he took Marcus with him and left Paul to preach of Iesus elsewhere.
43. When the churches noticed that Paul was no more with Varnavas and Marcus, they questioned him. Then Paul said, Marcus is not fit for the work of Christus, because he loved to enjoy the fruit of other people's labour. He does not like to go out to convert souls, rather, he likes to take the glory which comes from conversion of souls, putting himself in front whenever we go for follow ups.
44. Now the church accepted the sayings of Paul and his new company. Then they gave to him a young man named Silas to help him in his missionary work.

hupernikao:


It must be a very perfect creation then to take the world by storm.

What a creation by man.

Is Islam the religion of terrorist also a perfect creation taking the world by storm?

All that's needed to unravel the mystery God has given mankind: Bible with our thinking faculty
If you make the best use of it alongside God's word (Bible) you'll discover lots of SECRETS {Proverbs 2:1-5} but if you trying to use only your own power of reasoning {Proverbs 3:3-6} without God then you'll end up being stupid! Proverbs 1:7
Sadly majority among mankind never made thorough investigation and this has led them to a wrong conclusion saying God doesn't exist! Psalms 10:4

Beloved3:


Baba na here you dey mellow. You no talk anything since. But wetin dey shele gan gan?

Why did you break her phones and beat her with a stool? Were you feeling hurt by her words or vengeful by her actions?

What was the motive of using a stool? Was it just a move spurred by your anger or a deliberate attempt to leave a mark on her or even kill her?

Baba wetin dey happen gan gan?

Has he beaten his wife again ni?

Image123:


Has he beaten his wife again ni?

This one even pass beating.

https://www.nairaland.com/6712992/lizzyangel

When God's word says:

"Marry only in the Lord " 1Corinthians 7:39
Most young women will ignore and follow their hearts desire {Proverbs 3:5} the worst part of it is they'll do so at the bloom of youth! 1Corinthians 7:36

How do you caution the man who often beats his own life partner?

The last time you came to Nairaland begging people for money but shouldn't you appreciate the mother of your own child?

Well Jehovah's Witnesses often encourages everyone to study the Bible with them for three major reasons:

First of all if you're the type that love God deeply from your heart, you will gain insight regarding the global family of peace loving worshipers who have subjected themselves to God's will. And keep yourself on check as you continue to look forward to making a good name for yourself in the congregation of God!

Secondly if you're not the type that love God to that extent, you will also gain accurate knowledge about life and how people like you from all races are coping with life's anxieties. So even when you're not fully practicing pure worship with us you will surely appreciate life and people around you!

Lastly if you're the type that's desperate, this is where most people got confused about us. Because many do associate with us but aren't ready to subject themselves to the TEACHINGS so after such ones have studied with us for some time they may choose to discontinue their study, and since we don't pursue people out of our Kingdom Halls onlookers will think such a person is part of us unknowingly that they're just associating with us to enjoy the LOVE we share amongst ourselves.
Now the secret is WE KNOW THOSE WHO ARE TRULY OBEDIENT TO OUR GOVERNING BODY! once we find out that you're not submissive to our leaders then you're out of our gathering spiritually speaking, and any opportunity that comes around will surely serve as means to single you out as the goat in the midst of sheep. That's why most exJWs always speak abusively of our GB but the truth is: those who are submissive to our GB enjoys all the privileges Jesus spoke about in the Bible book of Mark 10:28-30 among us, so when the apostates finds out that they're not counted as part of the family they become enraged instead of mending their ways they just want to play the goats in the midst of sheep and at the same time they want to be treated as sheep! Romans 16:17

So Mr FOLYKAZE stop pouring your frustration on the mother of your child, you may not have any respect for God or man but the SECRET is you will not prosper in anything you lay your hands as long as you're saddening the heart of the woman with whom you made a BLOOD COVENANT (sex)
Most people like you thought sex is cheap since the young women sold themselves to you cheaply but know today that it serves as a BLOOD COVENANT between two mates that's why God hates fornicators and adulterers {Galatians 5:19} and the heavens will always be against you as long as you keep treating your partner in the covenant with disgust! 1Peter 3:7
If you take to this advice God will bless you, may you have PEACE!

sisisioge:

Sebi you're doing a better job of wanting to kill her than asthma and pregnancy did....you've been beating and mistreating her! God will soon show you His face!

22jumpstreet:


I have always maintained that Jesus is a Roman creation...by extension Christianity...

Not Jesus Christ the Son of God.....
Perhaps the Romans created their own version....wouldn't doubt that.
However, they definitely didn't "create" the Creator/Savior of the world.
They killed Him.

hupernikao:


It must be a very perfect creation then to take the world by storm.

What a creation by man.

Yeah,through state imposition,ethnic cleansings, genocides and imperialism...it surely took the world by storm

OtemAtum:
This is the full history of how Jesus Christ was created

Common Era 4 : 1- 44

Chapter Four
1. Saul was a male homo sapiens born in the 280,007th year of the homo sapiens era, same as the 7CE. The name of his father was Maximus. Now Maximus, a man who loved phiosophy, began to train his son in philosophy but when his wife died, he could not continue.
2. The death of Junia his wife affected him so much such that he began to fall ill. Saul was only eight years old when his mother died. He could not be pacified by his father who said to him, the gods understand our plight.
3. Then Saul said, if the gods understand, why can they not do anything about it to prevent the death of my mother? Maximus had not provided the answer to the question of Saul before he died. When he had died, the house which he dwelt was offered for sale.
4. Then Gamaliel, being a young man known in Jerusalem for his mastery of the Jewish tradition, came to inspect the house. For he thought to buy it for a place of abode where he could go to have some rest whenever he was on break.
5. Now Gamaliel discovered that the child of the house owner was there. So he adopted Saul and took him to Jerusalem to live with his own children who were kids also. So Saul grew in Jerusalem in the house of Gamaliel. And those who knew him thought of him as a Jew.
6. Now when Gamaliel had been promoted, he was well famed in Jerusalem. He was a very good orator also, this he taught Saul and his own children. He also taught them about Yahweh and all the things written in the Torah.
7. Now Saul wondered how in Tarsus, the people went about believing other gods but in Judea, the god called Yahweh was the one they believed, yet there seemed to be no suspicion of falsehood with either of their beliefs. Then Saul concluded in his mind that the gods of the earth were localised rather than global.
8. When Saul was of the age twenty-nine, he was well versed in philosophy, for he studied the philosophies of the Greeks, including the ones of Plato and Aristotle. Then he began to observe histories of different places. He saw that at every point in time, the gods of the people changed.
9. Then Saul decided to bring a change to the god of the Jews and of the Greeks and Romans, thinking that if he could unite the gods of the people, turning them into a single god, there would be peace among the three cultures. Then equally, the prophecy of the coming 'messiah' whom the Jews expected would have a fulfillment in the god which he would make.
10. So Saul obtained the names of two Greek gods named Zeus and Dionysus and one of the Roman gods originating from the Gaulish, named Esus. Then he came about a name called Zeusus. He did so when he was aged 42 years old.
11. When he showed this to Varnavas his colleague, he agreed with him that the name of that god should be called Zeusus. However, the name was Romanized to Iesus when an unexpected aged man named Philo visited them from Alexandria.
12. This man revealed 'Zeusus' as the name which the god should be called, even before he saw the name written by Saul and Varnavas. But one young man named Apollos differed, for he revealed the name Hesbon, which was different from that revealed by the other three.
13. Then Apollos departed from them to speak of Hesbon his own god.
14. Then Philo advised that the name should be properly romanised because the Romans shall not accept anything less of their language. For they were the superior people at that time. So the name of the god was called Iesus.
15. Then Kristus was chosen to be the name of his title, for it was the romanised form of Krista, who was commonly regarded as a saviour in the Hindu culture.
16. Now Saul kept away his identity as a godmaker and continued to associate with the Jews. And when he went to be with the few people whom he and his colleagues had converted to Christianity, he also behaved like one of them.
17. Now a year after the death of Philo his motivator, his foster father Gamaliel also died. Then Saul went to Jerusalem to observe his funeral rites. He went with some of his christian converts and ordered them all to keep silent concerning the doctrine of Iesus which he had taught them.
18. Then one of the people said to him, why do you tell us to keep silent concerning the messiah whom they expect? Should they not know that this messiah has come and they have connived with the Jews to kill him?
19. Now Saul said, it is not time for Jerusalem to know this. Therefore keep your peace. So no one in Jerusalem suspected that Saul, whom they knew as a pharisee had begun another religion.
20. When Saul, well known as Paul, had found Marcus, a young man who was very skilled at writing, he said to him, Marcus, you shall be he who shall write for us a good story concerning this god Iesus Kristus which we have made.
21. So Marcus began to write the story, according to the thoughts of his head, but he worked with the materials of history so that he could put fictitious events which he claimed to have occured in their best places in history.
22. Now when Marcus wrote deep into the night on a particular date, he fell into a trance and saw some people who said to him, you are in the right track. For your purpose on earth is to indeed write history for Iesus Krista who was formerly called Faulkin in the past world.
23. But he has rejected to be reincarnated into your world at this era because his personality has changed. His desires have changed also, saying, what is the pleasure derived from deception? I shall not deceive the whole world twice. I shall not also allow the prophecy of Waldis the firstborn female of all living creatures to be fulfilled over me. For she said of me, he will deceive the world twice.
24. Now Marcus, the god of Judea is interested in the god which you have made, knowing that through this god alone can his name be made famous all over the world. Therefore go and write great things concerning this god.
25. Whatever you think, write, for they have our inspirations in them. And if need be, you shall make adjustments, because we cannot see the future of your world all at once, but only bit by bit.
26. Be conversant with the current happenings in your world and by these happenings shall you make adjustments every now and then.
27. When Marcus awoke, he went to tell Paul, Varnavas and other chief Christians the things which he had seen. And he said, I saw myself in the past. For the things which we do presently seemed to be what we had done in the past.
28. When Marcus had written down things concerning Iesus Krista, Paul and Varnavas checked and were satisfied with what he had written. Around that time, report came to Paul that Apollos went about to preach concerning a god named Hesbon.
29. Now the things which Apollos preached were similar to the teachings of Paul, but the names of the gods whom they preached were different. Therefore Paul, knowing that Apollos was a better speaker than himself, approached him and said, let us not be divided between ourselves.
30. I have heard how some people already say that they are for you while some say that they belong to me. This will bring division and neither your religion nor mine shall stand. Therefore let us do things in common and preach the same god.
31. Now Apollos said, I am not satisfied with the use of the name Zeus to make a new god. But from Hesus and Boni have I made up the word Hesbon. However, I got a revelation and a personality named Hesbon actually appeared to me and revealed to me that he is real.
32. He said that the picking of the two names to make up one is not by coincidence, because any names or words picked at random can lead to something already in existence when they are put together to form one. This is the power in the use of words.
33. Therefore I shall not drop the name Hesbon for the god which I tell the people about because truly this Hesbon exists. Moreso, I hate Zeus from the depth of my soul, yet I cannot tell the reason for my hatred towards him.
34. Now Paul said, what do you think of the name Iesus? Truly it was not a coincidence that both Philo and I produced the same name Zeusus for that god. And when we worked upon it, we had the name Iesus.
35. Then I dreamt that such name actually existed in the past. This is to say that the coincidences of the present are the actual happenings of the past.
36. Then Marcus, the cousin of Varnavas also dreamt of the reality of this Iesus. Therefore we believe that this name is the most befitting for the god we have made.
37. Now when both Paul and Apollos could not agree at a single name, Paul said, for our religion to become one and to last long or forever, let us use the title Christus rather than the names Iesus or Hesbon.
38. So henceforth no one shall hear the names Iesus or Hesbon from our mouths or in our scripts, but Christus shall they see and hear. So from then on, both Apollos and Paul became united. And Apollos was a better speaker than Paul, so it was he who did much of the talking while Paul concentrated more in the writing of letters and scripts to the converts of different places.
39. Now Paul had different followers, including John, the brother of a certain Jacob who was killed when he challenged Agrippa the king concerning how he had kept silent about the matter of the stolen boats of Zebedi his father.
40. And when John had paid much attention to the whole concept of Iesus Kristus as presented by Paul and Apollos, he said, I can make a better write-up than Marcus. So John began to write concerning Iesus Kristus. And it was he who first revealed that Iesus Krista was the word who became flesh.
41. And he wrote of himself and James his late brother as if they existed with that Iesus Kristus. And when he fell into a trance, he was told that both himself and James actually existed with Zeusus Krista of the past world.
42. When Paul began to show much interest in the scripts written by John over that which Marcus had written, Varnavas was jealous and dissatisfied, because Paul had sidelined the scripts of his cousin. Then he took Marcus with him and left Paul to preach of Iesus elsewhere.
43. When the churches noticed that Paul was no more with Varnavas and Marcus, they questioned him. Then Paul said, Marcus is not fit for the work of Christus, because he loved to enjoy the fruit of other people's labour. He does not like to go out to convert souls, rather, he likes to take the glory which comes from conversion of souls, putting himself in front whenever we go for follow ups.
44. Now the church accepted the sayings of Paul and his new company. Then they gave to him a young man named Silas to help him in his missionary work.

You dodged the question I asked you


You are only good at repeating useless theories


Spits

BeLookingIDIOT:

Yeah,through state imposition,ethnic cleansings, genocides and imperialism...it surely took the world by storm

We are saying the same.
Even till now as it spread, it's still through the same.

I hope the imposition,ethnic cleansings, genocides is still happening around you as many more receive this white created Jesus.

Dont wait until you are cleansed before you accept the white man.

OtemAtum:


Is Islam the religion of terrorist also a perfect creation taking the world by storm?

Refer this to someone who can help you on Islam Sir.

I can't hold that brief.

HellVictorinho:



You dodged the question I asked you


You are only good at repeating useless theories


Spits

Hell, pls what's your question?

OtemAtum:
Hell, pls what's your question?

The formula for getting the sum to infinity involves a first term/beginning


So, how do you use that formula in the absence of a beginning?

HellVictorinho:



The formula for getting the sum to infinity involves a first term/beginning


So, how do you use that formula in the absence of a beginning?

In life there is always an assumed beginning to anything. The assumed beginning to EXISTENCE is the point where the BIG BANG occured. That's the point you can use as the first term. Check the model very well, you will see a black shape at the centre of the model. That's the 'assumed beginning' at this instance.

Eviana:


Not Jesus Christ the Son of God.....
Perhaps the Romans created their own version....wouldn't doubt that.
However, they definitely didn't "create" the Creator/Savior of the world.
They killed Him.

I am referring to the Jesus in the so called new testament...there is no record of him in both Jewish or Roman sources. He was created at the council of nicea...on the order of emperor Constantine. He wanted a single religion for his empire

22jumpstreet:


I am referring to the Jesus in the so called new testament...there is no record of him in both Jewish or Roman sources. He was created at the council of nicea...on the order of emperor Constantine. He wanted a single religion for his empire

Really?
Perhaps the name is Caesar Borgia?
Definitely not the same as the Son of God---the Savior of the world.

Eviana:


Really?
Perhaps the name is Caesar Borgia?
Definitely not the same as the Son of God---the Savior of the world.

Lol, what is he saving you from?

Why do you think you need a saviour outside of yourself?

Where in the old testament did God say he had a son he was sending as a human sacrifice?

Answer this three question for me with reference from the old testament.

OtemAtum:
This is the full history of how Jesus Christ was created

Common Era 4 : 1- 44

Chapter Four
1. Saul was a male homo sapiens born in the 280,007th year of the homo sapiens era, same as the 7CE. The name of his father was Maximus. Now Maximus, a man who loved phiosophy, began to train his son in philosophy but when his wife died, he could not continue.
2. The death of Junia his wife affected him so much such that he began to fall ill. Saul was only eight years old when his mother died. He could not be pacified by his father who said to him, the gods understand our plight.
3. Then Saul said, if the gods understand, why can they not do anything about it to prevent the death of my mother? Maximus had not provided the answer to the question of Saul before he died. When he had died, the house which he dwelt was offered for sale.
4. Then Gamaliel, being a young man known in Jerusalem for his mastery of the Jewish tradition, came to inspect the house. For he thought to buy it for a place of abode where he could go to have some rest whenever he was on break.
5. Now Gamaliel discovered that the child of the house owner was there. So he adopted Saul and took him to Jerusalem to live with his own children who were kids also. So Saul grew in Jerusalem in the house of Gamaliel. And those who knew him thought of him as a Jew.
6. Now when Gamaliel had been promoted, he was well famed in Jerusalem. He was a very good orator also, this he taught Saul and his own children. He also taught them about Yahweh and all the things written in the Torah.
7. Now Saul wondered how in Tarsus, the people went about believing other gods but in Judea, the god called Yahweh was the one they believed, yet there seemed to be no suspicion of falsehood with either of their beliefs. Then Saul concluded in his mind that the gods of the earth were localised rather than global.
8. When Saul was of the age twenty-nine, he was well versed in philosophy, for he studied the philosophies of the Greeks, including the ones of Plato and Aristotle. Then he began to observe histories of different places. He saw that at every point in time, the gods of the people changed.
9. Then Saul decided to bring a change to the god of the Jews and of the Greeks and Romans, thinking that if he could unite the gods of the people, turning them into a single god, there would be peace among the three cultures. Then equally, the prophecy of the coming 'messiah' whom the Jews expected would have a fulfillment in the god which he would make.
10. So Saul obtained the names of two Greek gods named Zeus and Dionysus and one of the Roman gods originating from the Gaulish, named Esus. Then he came about a name called Zeusus. He did so when he was aged 42 years old.
11. When he showed this to Varnavas his colleague, he agreed with him that the name of that god should be called Zeusus. However, the name was Romanized to Iesus when an unexpected aged man named Philo visited them from Alexandria.
12. This man revealed 'Zeusus' as the name which the god should be called, even before he saw the name written by Saul and Varnavas. But one young man named Apollos differed, for he revealed the name Hesbon, which was different from that revealed by the other three.
13. Then Apollos departed from them to speak of Hesbon his own god.
14. Then Philo advised that the name should be properly romanised because the Romans shall not accept anything less of their language. For they were the superior people at that time. So the name of the god was called Iesus.
15. Then Kristus was chosen to be the name of his title, for it was the romanised form of Krista, who was commonly regarded as a saviour in the Hindu culture.
16. Now Saul kept away his identity as a godmaker and continued to associate with the Jews. And when he went to be with the few people whom he and his colleagues had converted to Christianity, he also behaved like one of them.
17. Now a year after the death of Philo his motivator, his foster father Gamaliel also died. Then Saul went to Jerusalem to observe his funeral rites. He went with some of his christian converts and ordered them all to keep silent concerning the doctrine of Iesus which he had taught them.
18. Then one of the people said to him, why do you tell us to keep silent concerning the messiah whom they expect? Should they not know that this messiah has come and they have connived with the Jews to kill him?
19. Now Saul said, it is not time for Jerusalem to know this. Therefore keep your peace. So no one in Jerusalem suspected that Saul, whom they knew as a pharisee had begun another religion.
20. When Saul, well known as Paul, had found Marcus, a young man who was very skilled at writing, he said to him, Marcus, you shall be he who shall write for us a good story concerning this god Iesus Kristus which we have made.
21. So Marcus began to write the story, according to the thoughts of his head, but he worked with the materials of history so that he could put fictitious events which he claimed to have occured in their best places in history.
22. Now when Marcus wrote deep into the night on a particular date, he fell into a trance and saw some people who said to him, you are in the right track. For your purpose on earth is to indeed write history for Iesus Krista who was formerly called Faulkin in the past world.
23. But he has rejected to be reincarnated into your world at this era because his personality has changed. His desires have changed also, saying, what is the pleasure derived from deception? I shall not deceive the whole world twice. I shall not also allow the prophecy of Waldis the firstborn female of all living creatures to be fulfilled over me. For she said of me, he will deceive the world twice.
24. Now Marcus, the god of Judea is interested in the god which you have made, knowing that through this god alone can his name be made famous all over the world. Therefore go and write great things concerning this god.
25. Whatever you think, write, for they have our inspirations in them. And if need be, you shall make adjustments, because we cannot see the future of your world all at once, but only bit by bit.
26. Be conversant with the current happenings in your world and by these happenings shall you make adjustments every now and then.
27. When Marcus awoke, he went to tell Paul, Varnavas and other chief Christians the things which he had seen. And he said, I saw myself in the past. For the things which we do presently seemed to be what we had done in the past.
28. When Marcus had written down things concerning Iesus Krista, Paul and Varnavas checked and were satisfied with what he had written. Around that time, report came to Paul that Apollos went about to preach concerning a god named Hesbon.
29. Now the things which Apollos preached were similar to the teachings of Paul, but the names of the gods whom they preached were different. Therefore Paul, knowing that Apollos was a better speaker than himself, approached him and said, let us not be divided between ourselves.
30. I have heard how some people already say that they are for you while some say that they belong to me. This will bring division and neither your religion nor mine shall stand. Therefore let us do things in common and preach the same god.
31. Now Apollos said, I am not satisfied with the use of the name Zeus to make a new god. But from Hesus and Boni have I made up the word Hesbon. However, I got a revelation and a personality named Hesbon actually appeared to me and revealed to me that he is real.
32. He said that the picking of the two names to make up one is not by coincidence, because any names or words picked at random can lead to something already in existence when they are put together to form one. This is the power in the use of words.
33. Therefore I shall not drop the name Hesbon for the god which I tell the people about because truly this Hesbon exists. Moreso, I hate Zeus from the depth of my soul, yet I cannot tell the reason for my hatred towards him.
34. Now Paul said, what do you think of the name Iesus? Truly it was not a coincidence that both Philo and I produced the same name Zeusus for that god. And when we worked upon it, we had the name Iesus.
35. Then I dreamt that such name actually existed in the past. This is to say that the coincidences of the present are the actual happenings of the past.
36. Then Marcus, the cousin of Varnavas also dreamt of the reality of this Iesus. Therefore we believe that this name is the most befitting for the god we have made.
37. Now when both Paul and Apollos could not agree at a single name, Paul said, for our religion to become one and to last long or forever, let us use the title Christus rather than the names Iesus or Hesbon.
38. So henceforth no one shall hear the names Iesus or Hesbon from our mouths or in our scripts, but Christus shall they see and hear. So from then on, both Apollos and Paul became united. And Apollos was a better speaker than Paul, so it was he who did much of the talking while Paul concentrated more in the writing of letters and scripts to the converts of different places.
39. Now Paul had different followers, including John, the brother of a certain Jacob who was killed when he challenged Agrippa the king concerning how he had kept silent about the matter of the stolen boats of Zebedi his father.
40. And when John had paid much attention to the whole concept of Iesus Kristus as presented by Paul and Apollos, he said, I can make a better write-up than Marcus. So John began to write concerning Iesus Kristus. And it was he who first revealed that Iesus Krista was the word who became flesh.
41. And he wrote of himself and James his late brother as if they existed with that Iesus Kristus. And when he fell into a trance, he was told that both himself and James actually existed with Zeusus Krista of the past world.
42. When Paul began to show much interest in the scripts written by John over that which Marcus had written, Varnavas was jealous and dissatisfied, because Paul had sidelined the scripts of his cousin. Then he took Marcus with him and left Paul to preach of Iesus elsewhere.
43. When the churches noticed that Paul was no more with Varnavas and Marcus, they questioned him. Then Paul said, Marcus is not fit for the work of Christus, because he loved to enjoy the fruit of other people's labour. He does not like to go out to convert souls, rather, he likes to take the glory which comes from conversion of souls, putting himself in front whenever we go for follow ups.
44. Now the church accepted the sayings of Paul and his new company. Then they gave to him a young man named Silas to help him in his missionary work.

Paul is not the creator of Jesus...Paul's Jesus was never on earth. He never mentioned Nazareth, virgin birth, sermon on the mount, betrayal or any of the disciples or Judas....

Jesus/Mary is about Inanna and her beloved Dimuzi.

22jumpstreet:


Paul is not the creator of Jesus...Paul's Jesus was never on earth. [He never mentioned Nazareth, virgin birth, sermon on the mount, betrayal or any of the disciples or Judas....[/b]

Jesus/Mary is about Inanna and her beloved Dimuzi.

Of course you are right that he didn't mention all those stuffs, but he has accomplices. The full story can be found in the link below: https://www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos/92

OtemAtum:


In life there is always an assumed beginning to anything. The assumed beginning to EXISTENCE is the point where the BIG BANG occured. That's the point you can use as the first term. Check the model very well, you will see a black shape at the centre of the model. That's the 'assumed beginning' at this instance.

Don't act like budaatum and other bastards repeating the same thing in vain for no reason by accusing me or almost all humans or all humans of not understanding the truth or reality!!!!!!!!!!!!!



No amount of insult and condemnation can change my reasoning concerning this!!!!!!!



My reasoning -which is not a choice- says that you are not meant to be appreciated for not being straightforward concerning this issue as WE had agreed that I consider the definition of existence as the property of something to possess limits so it(existence) neither has a beginning nor an end



Therefore,it is of no use telling me that I am wrong when I say you don't have to tell me anything about your model which supports this or that assumption about what my reasoning has determined concerning existence.


No analogy or illustration can change anything!!!!!



Whatever you consider as the truth doesn't change my reasoning!



If anyone says nobody can determine what reality is, that's his or her cup of wine!!!!!!



Spits........

hupernikao:


We are saying the same.
Even till now as it spread, it's still through the same.

I hope the imposition,ethnic cleansings, genocides is still happening around you as many more receive this white created Jesus.

Dont wait until you are cleansed before you accept the white man.

Without state imposition,ethnic cleansings, genocides and imperialism etc your faith would have been a minor cult today, that's if it managed to survive.
The aforementioned may not be happening today and that's why your faith isn't taking anywhere by storm.

22jumpstreet:


1. Lol, what is he saving you from?


2. Why do you think you need a saviour outside of yourself?

3. Where in the old testament did God say he had a son he was sending as a human sacrifice?

Answer this three question for me with reference from the old testament.

*Note: Answers #1, and #2 are interchangeable.

#1.
Answer=SIN
Romans 3:23 (KJV)
"For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."
Psalm 51:5 (KJV)
5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me


#2.
Answer=Because I am a "creation" created in the image of my Creator. Sin entered the world and has made me a faulty being who ONLY can be converted through the death on the cross sacrifice made by my Lord and Savior. I can do nothing good of my own....meaning even my best intentions have faults. I have a chance to be reunited in the Heavenly Kingdom with my Father in the way that it originally was supposed to have been.

John 3:16-17 (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved

Phillipians 2:13 (KJV)
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

#3.
Answer=
Isaiah 53: 1-12 (KJV)

53 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?

2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.


7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8[b] He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living:[/b] for the transgression of my people was he stricken.


9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.


11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors

Be blessed sir....

HellVictorinho:



Don't act like budaatum and other bastards repeating the same thing in vain for no reason by accusing me or almost all humans or all humans of not understanding the truth or reality!!!!!!!!!!!!!



No amount of insult and condemnation can change my reasoning concerning this!!!!!!!



My reasoning -which is not a choice- says that you are not meant to be appreciated for not being straightforward concerning this issue as WE had agreed that I consider the definition of existence as the property of something to possess limits so it(existence) neither has a beginning nor an end



Therefore,it is of no use telling me that I am wrong when I say you don't have to tell me anything about your model which supports this or that assumption about what my reasoning has determined concerning existence.


No analogy or illustration can change anything!!!!!



Whatever you consider as the truth doesn't change my reasoning!



If anyone says nobody can determine what reality is, that's his or her cup of wine!!!!!!



Spits........

Why do you always comment as if we are quarrelling? Nobody is condemning anybody here, but you always feel paranoia and keep mentioning Budaatum and others like they have hurt your emotions irreparably earlier. We are all on a separate mission to the earth, so if another man's mission doesn't suit you, you don't need to get pained about it. You just need to move on. But the facts remains that the truth must be told, no matter what.
Even if the truth hurts you, you can devise a survival mechanism and survive it. The new generation Christians and non-jihadist Muslims should teach you how to do that.

Eviana:


*Note: Answers #1, and #2 are interchangeable.

#1.
Answer=SIN
Romans 3:23 (KJV)
"For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."
Psalm 51:5 (KJV)
5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me


#2.
Answer=Because I am a "creation" created in the image of my Creator. Sin entered the world and has made me a faulty being who ONLY can be converted through the death on the cross sacrifice made by my Lord and Savior. I can do nothing good of my own....meaning even my best intentions have faults. I have a chance to be reunited in the Heavenly Kingdom with my Father in the way that it originally was supposed to have been.

John 3:16-17 (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved

Phillipians 2:13 (KJV)
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

#3.
Answer=
Isaiah 53: 1-12 (KJV)

53 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?

2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.


7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8[b] He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living:[/b] for the transgression of my people was he stricken.


9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.


11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors

Be blessed sir....

Sorry for badging in, I saw Romans and Phillipians in your quotes and I am wondering why you've never quoted Lagosians and Kogites all the while. So you mean you believe the Roman and Phillipian gods more than the gods of your own land who never believe that you need to be saved from any original sin? Hmm.