Since Ronaldo transfer to Manchester United,the internet space have been in frenzy about the move,with most being positive ,and as expected,some still criticizing his move ,and go as far as considering his stay at Juventus,with the " he promised champions league and didn't deliver" narrative,as failure.
Yea,he didn't deliver champions league as he promised,but considering his stay in Juventus for the past 3 years as failure on this basis,is you being myopic .
Most who criticize him and considers his stay at Juventus as failure because he promised champions league and did not deliver are Messi's fanboys.
But they are forgetting something so easily ; their football idol promised them champions league after xavi and inesta left,and he didn't deliver till he left.
Do that mean Messi's stay in Barcelona for the past 6 years without delivering the much coveted champions league trophy is failure ?

Below is a one of the links he actually promised Barca faithful of delivering the champions league trophy ; https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2791223-lionel-messi-makes-barcelona-champions-league-promise-ahead-of-new-season.amp.html.

Haters are going to hate, that's all I got to say!

Ronaldo simply went there to show himself... since he could not achieve what he wanted he had to leave to save his legacy... he tried though but he himself knows he failed

When you join a team that are serial league winners promising them a champions league, then you almost take them to europa, what can we call that apart from outright failure? Yes he failed and even the team knew he had failed hence they needed him out. Imagine Benching cr7? That's unimaginable, but they were doing it a couple of times. I'm a messi fan, as well as a logic fan. So I can say that messi too hadn't much success in terms of collective achievements. Since xavi and iniesta and neymar left, he has still been the top scorer serially, but has failed to win the champions league, crashing out in a humiliating manner twice. The thing is both of them are nowhere near their best anymore and cannot individually carry a team and deliver trophies. They can only be the icing on the cake. They can only help a very strong team and not a relatively weak one like the current juve and Barca.

Bigredmachine:
Ronaldo simply went there to show himself... since he could not achieve what he wanted he had to leave to save his legacy... he tried though but he himself knows he failed

Do you know Messi is going to consider his last six years stay at Barcelona as failure because he didn't deliver the champions league ?

Glycolite:

Do you know Messi is going to consider his last six years stay at Barcelona as failure because he didn't deliver the champions league ?

there you do again... dragging messi into the equation... of a truth messi last 3 - 4 years or so in barca was a failure... but he equally did his best

but if the reason why u dragged messi into this discussion is to prove a point that ronaldo is better than him... then am not ready for that discussion

urchcoded:
When you join a team that are serial league winners promising them a champions league, then you almost take them to europa, what can we call that apart from outright failure? Yes he failed and even the team knew he had failed hence they needed him out. Imagine Benching cr7? That's unimaginable, but they were doing it a couple of times. I'm a messi fan, as well as a logic fan. So I can say that messi too hadn't much success in terms of collective achievements. Since xavi and iniesta and neymar left, he has still been the top scorer serially, but has failed to win the champions league, crashing out in a humiliating manner twice. The thing is both of them are nowhere near their best anymore and cannot individually carry a team and deliver trophies. They can only be the icing on the cake. They can only help a very strong team and not a relatively weak one like the current juve and Barca.

So, Messi should be considered a failure in Barcelona in his last 6 years stay because he didn't deliver the champions league trophy he promised and Barcelona lost the laliga to Atletico Madrid in his last season ?

I appreciate you said you're not only a Messi fan,but also a logic fan.

Glycolite:


So, Messi should be considered a failure in Barcelona in his last 6 years stay because he didn't deliver the champions league trophy he promised and Barcelona lost the laliga to Atletico Madrid in his last season ?

I appreciate you said you're not only a Messi fan,but also a logic fan.

considering his champions league promise you can say he failed on that promise. Even tho he didn't outrightly say it must be during his time. Same as ronaldo. Ronaldo made the claim too and that was the highlight of his motive to join the club. He is mr challenges, so that was his challenge and he failed. A bit horribly considering the fact that they had better UCL runs before he joined them. They had worse UCL run after he joined and they even managed to lose hold of the league they have been winning with ease. Nah, he didn't help the team in anyway.

Bigredmachine:


there you do again... dragging messi into the equation... of a truth messi last 3 - 4 years or so in barca was a failure... but he equally did his best

but if the reason why u dragged messi into this discussion is to prove a point that ronaldo is better than him... then am not ready for that discussion

You missed the point !

Most people that considers Ronaldo stay in Juventus as failure on the basis that he didn't deliver champions league and that Juventus lost the scudetto to inter in his last season ,and they are Messi fans.
The same people ,either overtly or covertly,considers Messi's stay at Barcelona a huge success ,even with the last 6 years of not delivering the champions league he promised and even losing laliga to Atletico Madrid in his final season.

I appreciate you're honest to admit that if you're going to consider Ronaldo stay in Juventus as failure because he didn't deliver the champions league he promised,you will do well to also consider Messi's last 6 years at Barcelona because he didn't deliver the champions league he promised before leaving.
That's exactly my point.

"of a truth messi last 3 - 4 years or so in barca was a failure... but he equally did his best"
If you consider he didn't deliver the champions league he promised and lost laliga to Atletico Madrid in his final season,then you're right. But in terms of individual performance he is not.
The same thing applicable to Ronaldo's stay at Juventus.
In terms of individual performance, Ronaldo is a huge success at Juventus,but in term of not delivering the champions league and losing the scudetto to inter in his final season, he's a failure.

Not about who is better than each other,very far from that.
You can now connect the dots ?

Glycolite:

You missed the point !

Most people that considers Ronaldo stay in Juventus as failure on the basis that he didn't deliver champions league and that Juventus lost the scudetto to inter in his last season ,and they are Messi fans.
The same people ,either overtly or covertly,considers Messi's stay at Barcelona a huge success ,even with the last 6 years of not delivering the champions league he promised and even losing laliga to Atletico Madrid in his final season.

I appreciate you're honest to admit that if you're going to consider Ronaldo stay in Juventus as failure because he didn't deliver the champions league he promised,you will do well to also consider Messi's last 6 years at Barcelona because he didn't deliver the champions league he promised before leaving.
That's exactly my point.

"of a truth messi last 3 - 4 years or so in barca was a failure... but he equally did his best"
If you consider he didn't deliver the champions league he promised and lost laliga to Atletico Madrid in his final season,then you're right. But in terms of individual performance he is not.
The same thing applicable to Ronaldo's stay at Juventus.
In terms of individual performance, Ronaldo is a huge success at Juventus,but in term of not delivering the champions league and losing the scudetto to inter in his final season, he's a failure.

Not about who is better than each other,very far from that.
You can now connect the dots ?

oga all these your many many Engish nawa o... i no get that power o

messi and ronaldo have done so well to entertain us all

its now left for who wan to kill him or her self arguing about who is better and more successful to do so in peace

me i support good and entertaining football

urchcoded:
considering his champions league promise you can say he failed on that promise. Even tho he didn't outrightly say it must be during his time. Same as ronaldo. Ronaldo made the claim too and that was the highlight of his motive to join the club. He is mr challenges, so that was his challenge and he failed. A bit horribly considering the fact that they had better UCL runs before he joined them. They had worse UCL run after he joined and they even managed to lose hold of the league they have been winning with ease. Nah, he didn't help the team in anyway.

"considering his champions league promise you can say he failed on that promise"

Okay,in Messi's case,he failed on his promise to deliver the champions league,but in Ronaldo's case,he actually failed at Juventus, outrightly ?
Can you smell something there ?
Where they exited the champion's league wouldn't matter in the history book.
You win it or not, that's how brutal soccer history book is.
Tuchel and pochettino still got axed the next season even after getting to the champions league finals a season before.
If you're not winning the champions league, especially when you have the burden to do that,no history book is going to care how close you came ! That's the reality.

If you're going to judge Ronaldo and consider his stay at Juventus as failure on the basis that he did not win the champions league as he promised,lost the scudetto in his last season despite his staggering individual accolades,then you should be honest enough to consider Messi's last 6 years at Barcelona a failure despite his staggering individual accolades,because he didn't deliver the champions league he promised,no matter how agonizing close he came,and he actually lost laliga in his final season to Atletico Madrid even with Barcelona having impressive laliga trophy hauls in the last 10 years.

Bigredmachine:


oga all these your many many Engish nawa o... i no get that power o

messi and ronaldo have done so well to entertain us all

its now left for who wan to kill him or her self arguing about who is better and more successful to do so in peace

me i support good and entertaining football

I do as well
Do have a great day.

Glycolite:


"considering his champions league promise you can say he failed on that promise"

Okay,in Messi's case,he failed on his promise to deliver the champions league,but in Ronaldo's case,he actually failed at Juventus, outrightly ?
Can you smell something there ?
Where they exited the champion's league wouldn't matter in the history book.
You win it or not, that's how brutal soccer history book is.
Tuchel and pochettino still got axed the next season even after getting to the champions league finals a season before.
If you're not winning the champions league, especially when you have the burden to do that,no history book is going to care how close you came ! That's the reality.

If you're going to judge Ronaldo and consider his stay at Juventus as failure on the basis that he did not win the champions league as he promised,lost the scudetto in his last season,then you should be honest enough to consider Messi's last 6 years at Barcelona a failure because he didn't deliver the champions league he promised,no matter how agonizing close he came,and he actually lost laliga in his final season to Atletico Madrid even with Barcelona having impressive laliga trophy hauls in the last 10 years.

I told you where I'm judging from. I don't know what more you are trying hard to prove. You fail when you set an objective and didn't achieve it. I already said messi failed because he set an objective by saying the champions league would come back. So, on that, he failed. Ronaldo hasn't been winning the champions league every year, but I'm not judging him on that because he didn't lay a claim. But when he moved to juve he made the claim and that was what took him there in the first place, it was his CHALLENGE. Which he failed to achieve. If he took them to the finals everyone including you would be saying he tried because they haven't reached the final in a long time and that would be logical. He didn't even take them past where they normally get to. I'm done with this pseudo argument.

urchcoded:
I told you where I'm judging from. I don't know what more you are trying hard to prove. You fail when you set an objective and didn't achieve it. I already said messi failed because he set an objective by saying the champions league would come back. So, on that, he failed. Ronaldo hasn't been winning the champions league every year, but I'm not judging him on that because he didn't lay a claim. But when he moved to juve he made the claim and that was what took him there in the first place, it was his CHALLENGE. Which he failed to achieve. If he took them to the finals everyone including you would be saying he tried because they haven't reached the final in a long time and that would be logical. He didn't even take them past where they normally get to. I'm done with this pseudo argument.

..have a great day.

Bigredmachine:
Ronaldo simply went there to show himself... since he could not achieve what he wanted he had to leave to save his legacy... he tried though but he himself knows he failed

How did he failed. 3years, three different coaches, and Adapting to different styles and approach to the game, yet you call that failure,

Just say you don't like him finito