bobowaja:
Lol... Na wa for some people o. So because jaja was Igbo, that means opobo are igbos. Even though he was acculturised into an ijaw man.....

It this is through, then Benin is a Yoruba land since we have the obaship of Bini. How these people reasons is 15th wonders of the world

You're so irritatingly dense!!

Jaja was an Igbo man!
The language spoken in Opobo till date is Igbo!!
The culture, people and tradition in Opobo is also contigous with that of other Igbo clans!!!

Nothing in Opobo aligns with ijaw both historically and present!!

So what the hell are you arguing?? What's the basis of your senseless rants??



Anu ohia!!!

bobowaja:

No one is claiming warri, itsekiri are the ones claiming us.

Guy yoruba people open threads for culture section, claiming itshekiri people and warri,
But we've never seen reno omokri or the former governor uduaghan claiming yoruba, I'm from Delta North, so yoruba and itshekiri matter no be my headache,
When people dey mind there business e dey give dem time to concentrate on more important things

chigator2:


I don't know what concerns a distant Yoruba man with the happenings and politics of sister states, all once under the old eastern region.

It will interest you to note that the native language of the opobo people is Igbo language with dialectic differences as nuanced as anambra Igbo or ikwerre Igbo.
This is far different from the case of Ijaws living in Yoruba but integrate with the culture. Rather the opobo people are relatively distanced from the core igbo states yet the identity and cultural heritage is preserved.

I have discerned the problem of the average Yoruba bigot. He ( bigot ) fears the rise of the old eastern region area in all ramifications most especially a united political front. This phobia is understandable because their little show organised and hosted in Lagos ( extrapolated to the rest of SW ) as a compensation from the Northern hijacked FG will come to an abrupt end/decline.

Cry on even more than the bereaved but do so at the risk of your own sanity.

The guy is an Ijaw man masquerading as a Yoruba person.

That is the way they act. Very spineless. He knows Igbos will come for him, hence his attempt to use Yoruba to shield himself, so that any insults from Igbos will be directed at Yorubas.

OfoIgbo:


cc
BKayy
bobowaja

Here is yet another attachment from Dr. Balfour Baikie's book

Let us hope they don't ban me now.

His types are deficient in History.

bobowaja:

Where in my analysis did I talk about Lagos? Are u guys dumb for real?

This means you just copied and paste, you did not read your post,
This is the summary of the bullsh*t that you posted,
For the fact that the indigens of bonny and opobo are igbo speakers doesn't mean that they are igbos,
So lagosians are yoruba speakers, but they are not yorubas, but bini,
you see how you sound, but no be your fault na civil war bring all this talk

bobowaja:
The issue of opobo and bonny people should be laid to rest. It belongs to the Ijaws.

First before you shout Yoruba awedu eating afonja, you should understand I am a full blooded Yoruba man. No need to remind me.

Secondly, I love history and I won't like seeing revisionists articles flying everywhere on the forum.

To the matter. I think ijaws are to be blamed for this flaw. They broke the first rule of survival which is self preservation.

There is something called acculturation in their culture. It is an act of baptizing of stranger into their folds. And in this case, pepple house, which was the ruling house.

Opobo was acculturised into Ijaw way of life and made to benefit from the house inheritance.

According to town culture, heritage is not by birthrights but by who is capable to rule the house. Jaja was capable, though there was a in-house civil war when he was made to rule the house, but he won decisively. This marks the beginning of his exploits.

The Ijaws followed him as their ruler. And during the palm oil boom (palm oil also known and red oil). Jaja has already taken control of the water ways and creeks for trading with the Europeans (his sagacity and business acumen can't be overruled). This sole act gave him some form of monopoly over the new trade in the creeks, he was the sole exporter to the UK in rivers while still maintaining holds on who trades what along the water ways with other European countries. He was wealthy so does the city he built from the ijaw followers.

A source from premiumtimes: https://www.premiumtimesng.com/opinion/155532-general-minimah-opobo-ancestry-burden-history-eric-teniola.html

This will later put him into trouble with the Queen, as the UK was so greedy to the extent that she wanted to trade directly with the merchants which they did after sentencing jaja to banishment in Accra (present day Ghana). Jaja himself was instrumental in conquering Ashanti forces (but let's not deviate from the topic).

The palm oil boom brought about large numbers of Igbo in the hinterlands into bonny (it must be corrected that though some were slaves but most Igbos that came during the oil boom were free born not slaves). They came with their cultures and way of lives in such numbers that threatened the indigenous people. Instead of ijaw to take control, they decided to hide some vital part of the community from them like languages etc... But this backfires as Igbo became the largest spoken language in the area in just matter of years (the indigenous people also adopted the language).

Another source (oral interview): http://asirimagazine.com/en/opobo-chronicles-from-genesis-to-revelation/

It should be noted that this is not the first time indigenous people will adopt other people's language, clothings, names and other cultural values. Example is Akoko Edo in present day Edo state. Most of the towns and villages are very fluent in Yoruba language, they adopted the Yoruba language and some part of cultures. Even some of their towns have Yoruba names, but they are not Yoruba - they are edoic group. Another example is ijaw in present day ondo state. Most of them speak Yoruba fluently and adopt the names, typical one is Omoyele Sowore.... He is an ijaw man who could be mistaken for a Yoruba man. Apart from those, there are some far Edo towns in etsako east local govt like okpella etc that have Yoruba names and also speak the language fluently, that doesn't make them Yoruba. The current ruling house in Ilorin all bears Yoruba name and speak Yoruba fluently, that doesn't make them Yoruba... They are Fulanis! The itsekiri adopted their clothings from Bini, that doesn't make them one.

The point I am trying to make here is that, people adopting your language, name and culture doesn't change them from who they were... Their identities will still remain intact as their genetical makeup.

Even an heavily biased igbodefender blog here admitted one truth which agreed to heavy migration of Igbo to the ijaw owned town.

Source: https://igbodefender.com/2016/05/16/more-facts-emerge-that-opobo-and-bonny-people-are-mostly-igbo/

To that boy that said he wanted to cry when he heard people speaking Igbo fluently in bonny, you have tears in your eyes. Language is for communication. If bonny is located in the north, they will speak Hausa fluently. In Southern Kaduna alone, there are more than 20 tribes. All of them speak Hausa but still retain their cultural identities.


I am done. You are opened to bash me, but make sure you bring evidences of opposing views. Insults alone won't do the trick.

Your submission is one of the most baseless ever seen.

You forget that the two main houses at the time were governed by igbos even though they bore supposed acultured names.

If you people want to contribute to a subject with this depth, it is often best to research properly.

Here is a link from one of your usual sources affirming the above.https://biography.yourdictionary.com/ja-ja-of-opobo


Another more credible showing the true state of affairs at the time.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/718465&ved=2ahUKEwjQ0rbTrezyAhX8Q0EAHbV_CiAQFnoECAMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0Q9oI65OFxk98tW1R8SkoF

DubaiLandLord:
Your Igbo brothers from Anambra, Enugu, Abia, Imo and Enugu no let us rest for the past 2-3 days, chooking their mouth for Rivers state. A state that have stop been part of the East since the 60's.

You have brought the same nuisance attitude you exhibit on the military thread to this place.

When do you really act right?

Always a leftist with an absurd agenda.

OfoIgbo:


cc
BKayy
bobowaja

Here is yet another attachment from Dr. Balfour Baikie's book

Let us hope they don't ban me now.

Thank you very much for this.

bobowaja:

I like setting the record straight. I have seen a lot of lies flying about for the past few days, especially of that boy that wanted to cry cos people spoke Igbo. If Yoruba should start claiming lands, we will claim Edo with Bini sef cos we own their obaship. But we see beyond that. Those are people with different cultures. The only thing we share with Bini is the obaship and as for the citizens, they are not Yoruba.

That Oba of Bini have Yoruba ancestors doesn't mean his kingdom belongs to us. Same fallacy you guys want to pull on bonny cos jaja had Igbo bloodline.

Why not claim it... Who is stopping you?

Oh! Because you know too well that an ancestral claim goes beyond language. The Binis don't even speak Yoruba.


But for the case of Bonny and Opobo. History speaks volumes (not your gutter blogs but research works dating back to 1800s) of Igbo occupation and leadership of the ancestral houses of these towns and the exploits of the Igbos in establishing, building and putting these towns on the world map of colonial trade and recognition.


Unlike some people yet to determine affirmatively whether they made Benin or Benin made them.

Taven09090:
This is the last time iM mentioning your name Aboh, your the one who is mentally sick, never mention Igbos from your dirty mouth again. Same to all Igbo haters who live and breathe nairaland just to castigate us.

Finally I was wondering when your obsession would end. Anyways I still don't see what your case is you haven't brought a single proper argument or point into play, These areas have a mixed population of Igbos and Ijaws that is a fact bring evidence and points and not insults I have Igbo family and heritage so if I want to talk about anything Igbo I can, and where do you get the sentiment that I hate Igbos quite funny tbh

YourRealFather:

This means you just copied and paste, you did not read your post,
This is the summary of the bullsh*t that you posted,
For the fact that the indigens of bonny and opobo are igbo speakers doesn't mean that they are igbos,
So lagosians are yoruba speakers, but they are not yorubas, but bini,
you see how you sound, but no be your fault na civil war bring all this talk

So going by your dumb analysis, no one is a Yoruba

Omo, u dull

proeast:


You're so irritatingly dense!!

Jaja was an Igbo man!
The language spoken in Opobo till date is Igbo!!
The culture, people and tradition in Opobo is also contigous with that of other Igbo clans!!!

Nothing in Opobo aligns with ijaw both historically and present!!

So what the hell are you arguing?? What's the basis of your senseless rants??



Anu ohia!!!

Go back to the op and cure ur ignorance. I am not responsible for your lack of education

Abohboy:


Finally I was wondering when your obsession would end. Anyways I still don't see what your case is you haven't brought a single proper argument or point into play, These areas have a mixed population of Igbos and Ijaws that is a fact bring evidence and points and not insults [B]I have Igbo family and heritage so if I want to talk about anything Igbo I can,[/b] and where do you get the sentiment that I hate Igbos quite funny tbh

You mean because you were Igbo before that you can sabotage any Igbo progress but Sorry my dear. You can't

We don't know you and your people.
The era of Half Igbo have gone. It is either Igbo or not and you are NOT.
But you people, Ikwerre and Ika are NOT.
Leave us alone

BKayy:

You mean because you were Igbo before that you can sabotage any Igbo progress but Sorry my dear. You can't

We don't know you and your people.
The era of Half Igbo have gone. It is either Igbo or not and you are NOT.
But you people, Ikwerre and Ika are NOT.
Leave us alone

So it is Igbo progress to snatch ijaw lands. I hope those ones are noting it down. They will have to fight war to chase you guys off when the country finally splits

You don't need to argue with these people OP. This obsession manifests yearly on nairaland. I think by now you should've noticed that you'll get better results conversing with a concrete wall.

Most of them have never been to Rivers state talk more of Opobo by the way.

bobowaja:

So it is Igbo progress to snatch ijaw lands. I hope those ones are noting it down. They will have to fight war to chase you guys off when the country finally splits

Afonjas pushing people to do the wickedness they harbour.
So your aim all this while is for Ndigbo to fight Ijaw for you.
Yes for you because you fear Ijaw. More like pushing that which you cannot beat to someone who can beat him.
My dear, we know about you and Ijaw land tussle in Epe axis and Ondo.
Shameless Cowards.

HarryDuce:
You don't need to argue with these people OP. These obsession manifests yearly on nairaland. I think by now you should've noticed that you'll get better results conversing with a concrete wall.

Most of them have never been to Rivers state talk more of Opobo by the way.

I already seen how they left the discussion but were attacking me. Well, I am happy to be the cause of so much pains to them

Abohboy:


Finally I was wondering when your obsession would end. Anyways I still don't see what your case is you haven't brought a single proper argument or point into play, These areas have a mixed population of Igbos and Ijaws that is a fact bring evidence and points and not insults I have Igbo family and heritage so if I want to talk about anything Igbo I can, and where do you get the sentiment that I hate Igbos quite funny tbh

Actually Bkayy is right about you.
You want to do an insider job.

Your loyalty to Ndiigbo is very questionable.
The only way you redeem that is by unequivocally standing with Igbo.

Senseless statements like saying that Igbos were in Bonny and Opobo the same time with Ijaws, when all historical documents noted that these areas were exclusively Igbo enclaves and that the rulers and people identified themselves and their people as being Igbo and of Igbo origin, will not help your cause.
We are not fools, we know a snake when we see one!

BKayy:

Afonjas pushing people to do the wickedness they harbour.
So your aim all this while is for Ndigbo to fight Ijaw for you.
Yes for you because you fear Ijaw. More like pushing that which you cannot beat to someone who can beat him.
My dear, we know about you and Ijaw land tussle in Epe axis and Ondo.

We ain't the ones trying to snatch bonny from ijaw. So, they know who to fight. Asari dokubo is waiting for you guys.

Ariani:


Actually Bkayy is right about you.
You want to do an insider job.

Your loyalty to Ndiigbo is very questionable.
The only way you redeem that is by unequivocally standing with Igbo.

Senseless statements like saying that Igbos were in Bonny and Opobo the same time with Ijaws, when all historical documents noted that these areas were exclusively Igbo enclaves and that the rulers and people identified themselves and their people as being Igbo and of Igbo origin, will not help your cause.
We are not fools, we know a snake when we see one!

@bolded. See the kind of people I was busy discussing with. It is either their way or violence

bobowaja:

So going by your dumb analysis, no one is a Yoruba

Omo, u dull

Guy na you dull pass

Bini people founded lagos, so we should agree with them that they own lagos, since language doesn't count.

BKayy:

You mean because you were Igbo before that you can sabotage any Igbo progress but Sorry my dear. You can't

We don't know you and your people.
The era of Half Igbo have gone. It is either Igbo or not and you are NOT.
But you people, Ikwerre and Ika are NOT.
Leave us alone

I'm neither Ikwerre nor Ika and if you reject us Igbos or Anioma of Delta State will you not now move on to reject the Igbos of Opobo, Bonny, Ndoki etc.

If there any single precolonial document that called Bonny and Opobo anything other than Igbo let Izon people provide it or forever remain silent.

Just like China never gave up on Macau despite decades of Dutch occupation of the area, and never gave up Hong Kong despite British occupation, and still will not give up Taiwan despite the sentiments of those native Chinese people there who have grown to hate the Chinese in China.
So will Ndiigbo never give up on Opobo and Bonny.
The Ijaws there Know they are temporary occupants. History is on our side, and when the time is right, we will take what belongs to us, and woe betide any who dare stand on our way.

Ariani:


Actually Bkayy is right about you.
You want to do an insider job.

Your loyalty to Ndiigbo is very questionable.
The only way you redeem that is by unequivocally standing with Igbo.

Senseless statements like saying that Igbos were in Bonny and Opobo the same time with Ijaws, when all historical documents noted that these areas were exclusively Igbo enclaves and that the rulers and people identified themselves and their people as being Igbo and of Igbo origin, will not help your cause.
We are not fools, we know a snake when we see one!

Historical documents very clearly state that there were two distinct groups in Bonny it is only in Opobo that they were most likely purely Igbo

YourRealFather:


Guy na you dull pass

Bini people founded lagos, so we should agree with them that they own lagos, since language doesn't count.

Bini people didn't do anything for Lagos the original inhabitants were the Awori then the Ijebu came and took other places like Ikorordu and Epe then the Bini came after both of these groups and took over parts of what is now Ibeju Lekki

bobowaja:


@bolded. See the kind of people I was busy discussing with. It is either their way or violence

Ndiigbo will never claim what doesn't belong to us.
But you see if Ijaws continue this way, we will not only take what belongs to us in fullness of time, but we will also take what belongs to them as punitive measures for their wickedness and act of provocation towards us.

Abohboy:


Historical documents very clearly state that there were two distinct groups in Bonny it is only in Opobo that they were most likely purely Igbo

Did you skip this part?

Abohboy:


I'm neither Ikwerre nor Ika and if you reject us Igbos or Anioma of Delta State will you not now move on to reject the Igbos of Opobo, Bonny, Ndoki etc.

I don't chase shadows. I stand with those that stand with me.
I don't cohabit with that which life dream is to destroy me.
If I want to talk about western igbo land, I refer to each group by their ancestral names not one coined up in 1951.

let me tell you something. The reason why you added "Anioma" to your post when you know clearly the people I am talking about is to severe the Enuani from the Igbo bond.
You know the bond between Enuani and the rest of Igboland is very strong but you just gave it a try anyways.
I will repeat again, I don't know you, Ika and Ikwerre. Three of you should leave us alone ka anyị kpa nkata ndị dị ndu

BKayy:

I don't chase shadows. I stand with those that stand with me.
I don't cohabit with that which life dream is to destroy me.
If I want to talk about western igbo land, I refer to each group by their ancestral names not one coined up in 1951.

let me tell you something. The reason why you added "Anioma" to your post when you know clearly the people I am talking about is to severe the Enuani from the Igbo bond.
You know the bond between Enuani and the rest of Igboland is very strong but you just gave it a try anyways.
I will repeat again, I don't know you, Ika and Ikwerre. Three of you should leave us alone ka anyị kpa nkata ndị dị ndu

I will repeat again I am neither Ika nor Ikwerre I AM ANIOMA

Abohboy:


Historical documents very clearly state that there were two distinct groups in Bonny it is only in Opobo that they were most likely purely Igbo

The place of mixed origin between Igbo and Ijaw should be Brass and Okirika.

Do you know that Okujagu people in Okirika still speak Igbo language as first language till today!

Ariani:


The place of mixed origin between Igbo and Ijaw should be Brass and Okirika.

Do you know that Okujagu people in Okirika still speak Igbo language as first language till today!

The Okirika according to this British person are a separate group from those in Bonny this also mentions my native town of Aboh

https://ms-my./4209376555800913/permalink/5875924745812744/

Abohboy:


I will repeat again I am neither Ika nor Ikwerre I AM ANIOMA

What is Anioma?
Don't deceive yourself.

You are Ukwuani/Ndokwa.

Anioma is a Political Union and not a tribe.

In OGIDI we do receive Delta TV Asaba , and they broadcast their news in IKa, Ukwuani and Enuani independently those days.

Moreover, a typical Ukwuani/Ndokwa person don't even subscribe to the Anioma Political Union.
Anioma is more of IKa and Enu-ani driven!

Enuani are the people we know in Delta North.
The rest of you should go pick your cloth where you took your baths.