IronGalaxy:
Stop lying to yourself, by now everybody knows Nigerians are the biggest coons in Africa. Including your own people

RodgersAkpafu:

Why will you assume so ?
Unlike you
I dont have time for endless back and forth
You have made your point
I have made mine

TMKsouth:


Whoa, even Man's Not Barry Roux threw Nigerians under the bus on their white b*tt licking ? Isn't he pro-EFF/foreigners/TB Joshua ?

His last line is 100% correct though - Nigerians are obsessed with white South Africans. But that's mostly coz black South Africans don't want them in SA and now they're retaliating. These are the same whites they claim they "freed " us from and all of a sudden they're worshipping them now. Can u see something doesn't add up there?

IronGalaxy:
Lol. It's not an assumption but an observation.

The day you'll properly understand South African dynamics is the day you cleanse of yourselves this mental burden that a mere white person is better than you.

RodgersAkpafu:

Ok
Say whatever make you feel better

TMKsouth:


Whoa, even Man's Not Barry Roux threw Nigerians under the bus on their white b*tt licking ? Isn't he pro-EFF/foreigners/TB Joshua ?

His last line is 100% correct though - Nigerians are obsessed with white South Africans. But that's mostly coz black South Africans don't want them in SA and now they're retaliating. These are the same whites they claim they "freed " us from and all of a sudden they're worshipping them now. Can u see something doesn't add up there?

RodgersAkpafu:

This man keeps quoting me
Where did you see me write that a "mere white person" is better than a black person
All I say is that they run better systems than we do
And have more developed countries than we do
And it's not because of their genetics
It's a conscious choice that their elite class made

Africa is in a mess today not because we are genetically programmed to be this way
But the choices we made
Black folks are just as capable
We as a collective just chose to be asleep
Touting black power will not change these observations

IronGalaxy:
At this point you Nigerians dont even need to say white man is better than you. Everything you say implies that.

I never once chanted "black power" I simply pointed out your obsession and worship of whites as a nation.

TMKsouth:


After the Zuma mistake in SA, he was replaced by an anti-corruption leader with experience in the business world to rebuild the country. So your theory doesn't apply in SA. And progress might be slow because there's still the Zuma pushback within the ruling party but there's no repeating the Zuma mistake going forward. It's for that reason someone like Malema is stuck on 10% share of the vote - he's bad news and South Africans know it.

RodgersAkpafu:

K

RodgersAkpafu:

The means of production are overwhelmingly in the hands of the minority white class in south Africa
Black folks dont control anything in your country.
As sad as it sounds
Thats the truth
The big business is run by them, and the infrastructures built in parts of south africa during apartheid gave your country a head start
It is wht the rest of Africa knows
That you people are in denial of
Now does it mean that south africans are genetically incapable of replicating such ?
The answer is NO
But acknowledge the truth and stop being in denial
Even the algerians despite their bad blood with the French will tell you that some of their star cities framework was laid down by the french before they left
They improved on it
As a side note
Abuja is one of the few capital cities in africa that was built FROM THE SCRATCH by black Nigerians
The layout and everything was done by us
A fresh city
Point to one city similar that was built from the scratch by post apartheid south Africa....
I didnt say It does not exist cos i don't know
But point to one

On a final note; you black south Africans need do do some serious self reflection, it will do a lot of good

RodgersAkpafu:

K

IronGalaxy:
See how your "white worship" ways keep popping up? Even Cubans know.

RodgersAkpafu:

K

TMKsouth:


I'll drop this here (attachments). Just a few things that were achieved 20 years into democracy - not everything is about building a city like Abuja in SA which doesn't have electricity, clean drinking water or proper sanitation (like Nigerian cities).

There was a backlog in SA that was created by your white besties in black areas in particular. THREE MILLION free houses were built - that could be double or triple of what Abuja is in construction value alone. Pretoria and Johannesburg are practically one city today because of the construction expansion that has taken place in Midrand.

Just cause SA is not braggadocious like Nigeria it doesn't mean things are not being done in the country - that's why we continue to attract people from all over the world (including from your brand Star city of Abuja).

@bolded - it's a blatant lie that blacks own nothing in SA (its just wishful thinking which fits the narrative that you're all just jealous of black South Africans). Unlike u I have the correct stats on black ownership of the economy in SA and can show u at your request.

IronGalaxy:

TMKsouth:


I'll drop this here (attachments). Just a few things that were achieved 20 years into democracy - not everything is about building a city like Abuja in SA which doesn't have electricity, clean drinking water or proper sanitation (like Nigerian cities).

There was a backlog in SA that was created by your white besties in black areas in particular. THREE MILLION free houses were built - that could be double or triple of what Abuja is in construction value alone. Pretoria and Johannesburg are practically one city today because of the construction expansion that has taken place in Midrand.

Just cause SA is not braggadocious like Nigeria it doesn't mean things are not being done in the country - that's why we continue to attract people from all over the world (including from your star city of Abuja).

@bolded - it's a blatant lie that blacks own nothing in SA (its just wishful thinking which fits the narrative that you're all just jealous of black South Africans). Unlike u I have the correct stats on black ownership of the economy in SA and can show u at your request.

RodgersAkpafu:

Even trevor Noah himself has spelt it out
South african blacks are still suffering from economic apartheid
The youth unemployment rate is worse than that of Nigeria (which is another shameful statistic to both Nigeria and SA)
Even Vusi Thembekwayo, another south African I really love and have watched countless videos of, and subscribe to his channel have mentioned and complained about it
So what are you guys saying ?
Unlike we who dont sugar coat our failings as a country
Many of you down there do

TMKsouth:


Did Trevor Noah and Vusi Thembekwayo say blacks own nothing in SA? Or did they complain about inequality? Those are 2 different things and everyone knows about our history in SA and so it shouldn't come as a surprise? And the inequality is no more between classes and less about race.

You said blacks own nothing in SA but the Black Business Council say we own 30% of the economy after 27 years of freedom and they're setting new targets to double that in the next 10 years (see attachment). The black middle class officially became larger than the white middle class a decade ago and is the economic engine of the country (see attachment).

Black graduates grew 4 times by the early 2000s and come from the best universities in Africa (SA universities are undoubtedly Africa's finest and dominate the top10 and top20). So I don't know why you're trying to paint a picture of a pathetic black person in SA - like I said its just jealousy and competition. You need your own self-introspection for why black SA successes threaten u and why u have to make up lies.

RodgersAkpafu:


He feels attacked

Why would I make up lies?
It's there for everyone to see
Who fill up the townships?
Who are worst hit by the high unemployment rates in south Africa?
You spoke of inequality
That inequality is race driven
And you know it

TMKsouth:


Why are u ignoring the stats I sent u? You're the one who's pained hiding behind laughing emojis. U said blacks own nothing - I showed we own 30% (u ignored that). I showed we're the economic engine, you're concentrating on townships. And who told u townships don't have middle class people - are Indian and coloured townships also poor like u think black townships are (just cause they're called townships).

U know nothing about SA and I've exposed u. Continue with your lies, it's in your nature as a Nigerian (we already know that about u as South Africans). Your jealousy for SA will kill u and your country will be a sh*thole no matter how many lies u tell about South Africa.

stasius:


Teacher. Dustbin brain.

RodgersAkpafu:

I looked them up
What do you want me to say about it ?
Most of what you posted proved my point
Go look at the modifications to this post you mentioned
Nigerians are NOT jealous of South Africa
Most Nigerians in Nigeria dont even talk of what's going on there, it's just what it is.
And I repeat once again
What is there to be jealous about in south Africa?

Yea
Our country is in a terrible state now
We have a president that does not know what he is doing
We say it with pride
No need to sugar coat it
But south africa is NOT in a good shape either
Despite you lot trying to paint it as such
Tell yourselves the truth

Fragile economy
Ballooning unemployment rates
High HIV infections
Murder capital of the world (Cape Town and co)
High crime rates
Xenophobia to your fellow africans who did nothing to you lots (violence and looting their stories and killing them)
And the list goes on
This is not a country to be jealous of

TMKsouth:


When did we sugarcoat all of these and SA has always had high unemployment, poverty, crime, xenophobia and racism (all these are not new - SA was a closed country during apartheid so that's why u never heard about them).

In 94 the black government inherited a bankrupt state coz your white besties spent most of the money on security to defend apartheid and in return sinked the economy. None of u talk about that. The black government quadripeled the economy in less that 20 years from $100billion to $400 billion, and was invited to joined the G20 and BRICS for excellence (u don't talk about that either).

Whether u think SA is impressive or not we really don't care and wish u stay in your own countries (hence the "xenophobia" tag) but stop it with the lies - we don't make up lies about u. Yes we have problems but they're not new or limited to black leadership so grow up.

RodgersAkpafu:

You don change mouth now
That's good
South Africa is a country failing it's people
You don't use your mouth talk am
Go in peace and sin no more

TMKsouth:


When did I change tune? I first quoted u coz u were talking nonsense about black leadership and I stuck to my guns till the end defending black leadership in SA. So u really need to stop it with the lies.

SA has always failed it's people (apartheid was worse) and at some point u need to interrogate that and stop worshipping whites. Life is far better now for the majority of the people, warts and all.

RodgersAkpafu:

South Africa was a bankrupt state at 1994 you say?
I dont know about that, cos I dont have the data
And btw
You need to improve your spelling
Some words are spelt incorrectly

TMKsouth:


My English is just fine - it's the 4th language in my vocabulary.

Here's 2 articles on apartheid bankruptcy. The author of the first article was the Vice-Chancellor of University of Fort Hare (SA).

RodgersAkpafu:

The assumption that I worship whites for pointing out black failures is what I never understood about you guys,?
Where does the white worship come from ?
Pointing out that we need to do better is white worship?
Pointing out the obvious problems we have as black folks is white worship?
Pointing the fact that the west (and ill add japan, South Korea and other asian tigers) run better societies and have more stable institutions and systems is white worship?

Where exactly is the white worship rhetoric coming from ?
Pointing out how the US is dealing with their capitol rioters and how they dealt with Trump as a testament to the strong institutions they have built is white worship?

I wonder what is wrong with you people
Complain from now till next year
The fact is still the fact

I'll leave with three points
1) Black folks are where we are globally (at the bottom ) primarily because of our choices every other thing you may want to mention are catalysts at best and non issues at worst

2)The success of the west is more of principles and values baked into the system, rather than any supposed genetic superiority
It goes back to choices

3) Nigerians wholesale are not white worshippers
There might be some in our midst
But they are the minority
Because we do not buy into victimhood mentality or chant "down with the west" does not mean we are all coons and sell outs
For most of us
We just want to make our mark and leave a legacy for our descendants
Every other thing is a distraction
Being combative and confrontational with white folks is not a sign of black power or solidarity

IronGalaxy:
Nigerians worship white people. You are clearly in denial

IronGalaxy:
He really doesn't believe his white gods can bankrupt a state

Jamesbally:
Kaduna, Kano and Jos will make the list.