The story of Elijah and the widow of Zarephath in 1 Kings 17 is a touching one. The widow gave the prophet of God all she had, which was a ration that was joust enough to keep to keep herself and her son alive. The womans faith moved Elijah to proclaim blessings of prosperity upon her ( 1 Kings 17:14). The little she had was multiplied and she didn't lack throughout the duration of the famine.

If only people would learn form this widow's action, they would no longer need to look up their governments for prosperity. If the widow and her son, had eaten the food, they would have died. But she was smart enough to recogniz that true prosperity comes from the Lord. She acted her faith and gave all she had to the man of God and she got her miracle.

When you study your Bible you would discover that the Kings and Governments of the day weren't responsiple for the prosperty of the people. The prophets were the ones responsible, for they were God's representatives. Not much has changed since then.

Crying to political leaders to improve the economy of the nation wouldn't yield much result because you're calling on the wrong people; they don't have means to empower you with wealth.

The power to get wealth is not with the Kings, the politicians or the governments, but the Lord:

'' But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, ''(Deuteronomy 8:18).

In ( 2 Kings 6:26), a woman cried out to the King for help as there was severe famine in the land. The King responded quickly, '',  If the Lord do not help thee, whence shall i help thee? out of the barnfloor, or out of the winepress?'' (2 Kings 6:27)

Even the King knew he couldn't do anything about the devastated economy of the country without God's help.

You have to realize that God wants you prosperous and He has sent your man of God to bless you. Therefore, when the land is dry, don't look up to the government or the politicians to help you, rather, look unto God

GREAT

if by man of God you mean Christ, no problem,

Great thread. God bless you.

musKeeto:

if by man of God you mean Christ, no problem,

when i mean men of God, i talk about what the bible says in (Ephesians 4:11) '' And He gave some, Apostles; and some, Prophets; and some, Evangelists; and some Pastors and Teachers;''
even you, if you are born again and have recieved the holy spirit, you are also a man of God, the bible says in ( 1 timothy 6:11) ''But thou, O man of God, flee from these thoings; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.''
also
(2 corinthians 6:4) '' But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in aflictions, in necessities, in distresses,''

Sorry what does principle of exchange mean ?

I have never seen this in my bible. there is no such thing as channel for wealth.

Please elaborate on this new doctrine !!

Thanks

frosbel:

Sorry what does principle of exchange mean ?

I have never seen this in my bible. there is no such thing as channel for wealth.

Please elaborate on this new doctrine !!

Thanks

To uderstand the principles of exchange i like you to read this
The parable of the Ten Minas
(luke 19:11-27
11 [color=#006600]And because Jesus was nearing Jerusalem, he told a story to correct the impression that the Kingdom of God would begin right away.

12 "A nobleman living in a certain province was called away to the distant capital of the empire to be crowned king of his province. 13 Before he left he called together ten assistants and gave them each $2,000 to invest while he was gone. 14 But some of his people hated him and sent him their declaration of independence, stating that they had rebelled and would not acknowledge him as their king.

15 "Upon his return he called in the men to whom he had given the money, to find out what they had done with it, and what their profits were.

16 "The first man reported a tremendous gain-ten times as much as the original amount!

17 "'Fine!' the king exclaimed. 'You are a good man. You have been faithful with the little I entrusted to you, and as your reward, you shall be governor of ten cities.'

18 "The next man also reported a splendid gain-five times the original amount.

19 "'All right!' his master said. 'You can be governor over five citie
"But the third man brought back only the money he had started with. 'I've kept it safe,' he said, 21 'because I was afraid [you would demand my profits], for you are a hard man to deal with, taking what isn't yours and even confiscating the crops that others plant.' 22 'You vile and wicked slave,' the king roared. 'Hard, am I? That's exactly how I'll be toward you! If you knew so much about me and how tough I am, 23 then why didn't you deposit the money in the bank so that I could at least get some interest on it?'

24 "Then turning to the others standing by he ordered, 'Take the money away from him and give it to the man who earned the most.'

25 "'But, sir,' they said, 'he has enough already!'

26 "'Yes,' the king replied, 'but it is always true that those who have, get more, and those who have little, soon lose even that. 27 And now about these enemies of mine who revolted-bring them in and execute them before me.'"
TLB

@ inedi
Thanks for revealing great truth here

@frosbel

frosbel:

Sorry what does principle of exchange mean ?
I have never seen this in my bible.

It is all in the scriptures.

Philippians 4:15
15 Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.

When you give,there is a receiving . That is exchange.

Joagbaje:

@frosbel

It is all in the scriptures.

Philippians 4:15
15 Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.

When you give,there is a receiving . That is exchange.

When i give to the pastor, he receives my giving Thats your idea of exchange abi you call a uni-directional transaction exchange abi thats a pastor talking

inedi:

The story of Elijah and the widow of Zarephath in 1 Kings 17 is a touching one. The widow gave the prophet of God all she had, which was a ration that was joust enough to keep to keep herself and her son alive. The womans faith moved Elijah to proclaim blessings of prosperity upon her ( 1 Kings 17:14). The little she had was multiplied and she didn't lack throughout the duration of the famine.

Stop posting what you dont understand The widow was chosen (way in advance) to care for Elijah

1 Kings 17:8-9
And the word of the LORD came unto him, saying,
9Arise, get thee to Zarephath, which belongeth to Zidon, and dwell there: behold, I have commanded a widow woman there to sustain thee.

secondly, Elijah already 'proclaimed blessings of prosperity upon her'  before she agreed to co-operate

1 Kings:13-15
13And Elijah said unto her, Fear not; go and do as thou hast said: but make me thereof a little cake first, and bring it unto me, and after make for thee and for thy son.
14For thus saith the LORD God of Israel, The barrel of meal shall not waste, neither shall the cruse of oil fail, until the day that the LORD sendeth rain upon the earth.
15And she went and did according to the saying of Elijah: and she, and he, and her house, did eat many days.

Can your pastor provide such assurance money back guarantee if yes, a lot of people will pay

inedi:

When you study your Bible you would discover that the Kings and Governments of the day weren't responsiple for the prosperty of the people. The prophets were the ones responsible, for they were God's representatives. Not much has changed since then.
Crying to political leaders to improve the economy of the nation wouldn't yield much result because you're calling on the wrong people; they don't have means to empower you with wealth.

Edit: So we should cry to your pastor abi You come here selling pastors as the sole source of our prosperity. Pastors are responsible for the prosperity of Nigeria abi so if every Nigerian pay to your pastor there will naira rain and we all be moving about in private jets and helicopters. This is just criminal, you deserve to be in jail (with your pastor), its 419

Zikkyy:

When i give to the pastor, he receives my giving Thats your idea of exchange abi you call  a uni-directional transaction exchange abi thats a pastor talking

No, zikky when you give ,you receive. They gave to paul and paul  blessed them . Their blessing paul and Paul blessing them is the exchange. Read the passage again.

Philippians 4:15
15 Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.

The GIVING is from them to paul. The RECEIVING is from paul to them.

Zikkyy:

Stop posting what you dont understand The widow was chosen (way in advance) to care for Elijah

1 Kings 17:8-9
And the word of the LORD came unto him, saying,
9Arise, get thee to Zarephath, which belongeth to Zidon, and dwell there: behold, I have commanded a widow woman there to sustain thee.

secondly, Elijah already 'proclaimed blessings of prosperity upon her'  before she agreed to co-operate

1 Kings:13-15
13And Elijah said unto her, Fear not; go and do as thou hast said: but make me thereof a little cake first, and bring it unto me, and after make for thee and for thy son.
14For thus saith the LORD God of Israel, The barrel of meal shall not waste, neither shall the cruse of oil fail, until the day that the LORD sendeth rain upon the earth.
15And she went and did according to the saying of Elijah: and she, and he, and her house, did eat many days.

Can your pastor provide such assurance money back guarantee if yes, a lot of people will pay

Edit: So we should cry to your pastor abi You come here selling pastors as the sole source of our prosperity. Pastors are responsible for the prosperity of Nigeria abi so if every Nigerian pay to your pastor there will naira rain and we all be moving about in private jets and helicopters. This is just criminal, you deserve to be in jail (with your pastor), its 419

the issue is that God spoke to the prophet, but we dont have an acount were God spoke to the widow, she had her choice, either to give or not to, even though it was not convinent for, but she gave, and her given caused a harvest, what is that? exchange, she gave and she recieved.
Life itsel is built on exchange, given and recieving, even the air you breath is exchange, you give out carbon and take in oxigen.

Joagbaje:

No, zikky when you give ,you receive. They gave to paul and paul blessed them . Their blessing paul and Paul blessing them is the exchange. Read the passage again.

Thanks for the clarification Jo, i understand your post better now. but no vex, there are some things not quite clear, maybe you can help . . .

Joagbaje:

They gave to paul and paul blessed them . Their blessing paul and Paul blessing them is the exchange.

Joagbaje:

The GIVING is from them to paul. The RECEIVING is from paul to them.

1. I assume they gave Paul cash or something close to that, what is Paul giving back
2. I also get the impression here, that it is Paul that gives back i.e. a direct exchange. I need to understand how this work

Joagbaje:

No, zikky when you give ,you receive.

I am not so sure now but what i read you say here is that for every giving, there must be a receiving. we must give to receive. No giving, no receiving. Kindly clarify. Thanks

inedi:

the issue is that God spoke to the prophet, but we dont have an acount were God spoke to the widow, she had her choice, either to give or not to, even though it was not convinent for, but she gave, and her given caused a harvest, what is that? exchange, she gave and she recieved.

maybe she had a choice. Yes she would have died if she has not agreed to grant Elijah's request. It even appeared she had some doubts about the genuiness of the prophet, it took the restoration of her son to believe. So why did she give?

24And the woman said to Elijah, Now by this I know that thou art a man of God, and that the word of the LORD in thy mouth is truth.

What you refuse to see is that God already has a role/job for her, to feed Elijah all through the period of drought! Where do you think the food will be coming from It could have been anybody. So my sister/brother the so called harvest was not because she gave to a prophet. if you must preach your giving & receiving scam, this is not an appropriate illustration.

inedi:

but she gave, and her given caused a harvest, what is that? exchange, she gave and she recieved.
Life itsel is built on exchange, given and recieving, even the air you breath is exchange, you give out carbon and take in oxigen.

So are you saying God operates on the principle of give and take How does love come into the equation here

BTW, i still think you should be in jail

@inedi
Why are you criminals so bent on manipulating scriptures for private gain. It is clear even from the scriptures you quoted (1 king 17:9) that God instructed the woman to cater for Elijah. She did not cater for him on her own initiative. What that obviously means to me is that I have to hear clearly from God before I assist any 'MOG' if I am to use your twisted logic.

^

They will manipulate any and every scripture just to make a quick buck.


I guess they have forgotten the injunction that says you cannot serve money and God simultaneously.

KunleOshob:

@inedi
Why are you criminals so bent on manipulating scriptures for private gain. It is clear even from the scriptures you quoted (1 king 17:9) that God instructed the woman to cater for Elijah. She did not cater for him on her own initiative. What that obviously means to me is that I have to hear clearly from God before I assist any 'MOG' if I am to use your twisted logic.

Mr KunleOshob, God did not instruct the woman, He never spoke to her, God only spoke to the prophet or how do expain vers (12-16) it was the prophet that told her what God said. verse 15 says "And she went and did according to the saying of Elijah: and she, and he, and her house, did eat many days. when she obayed the man of God which spoke what asked him to tell her, what happened? see verse 16 " And the barrel of meal wasted not, neither did the cruse of oil fail, according to the word of the Lord, which he spake by Elijah
If you dont believe in the words of men of God, I do

the bible says in (2 chronicles 20:20) " And they ros early in the morning, and went forth into the wilderness of Tekoa: and as they went forth, Jehoshaphat stood and said, Hear me, O Judah, and ye inhabitant of Jerusalem;
Believe in the Lord your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets (men of God),so shall ye prosper.

Zikkyy:

maybe she had a choice. Yes she would have died if she has not agreed to grant Elijah's request. It even appeared she had some doubts about the genuiness of the prophet, it took the restoration of her son to believe. So why did she give?

24And the woman said to Elijah, Now by this I know that thou art a man of God, and that the word of the LORD in thy mouth is truth.

What you refuse to see is that God already has a role/job for her, to feed Elijah all through the period of drought! Where do you think the food will be coming from It could have been anybody. So my sister/brother the so called harvest was not because she gave to a prophet. if you must preach your giving & receiving scam, this is not an appropriate illustration.

So are you saying God operates on the principle of give and take How does love come into the equation here

BTW, i still think you should be in jail

she gave and rcieved before the challange nof her son came
read verse 12- 16
the challange came in verse 17, read it thank you

@inedi

Thanks.

So if I came to your house and say God told me to take your car(s) - will you give them to me ?

@Inedi

You are being very dishonest, why don't you address verse 19 which clearly states that God spoke to her.

KunleOshob:

@Inedi

You are being very dishonest, why don't you address verse 19 which clearly states that God spoke to her.

am sure you  ment verse 9, not verse 19
to understand it better i whold like you to read ( luke 4:26) " But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow
the word commanded there does not mean that God spoke to her, but God was make the prophet know that he still had food for him, it was like in this womans house i have made provision there go and eat,
if not why did she react the way she did in verse 12 " And she said, As the lord my God liveth, I have a cake, but an hanful of meal in a barrel, and a little oil in a cruse: and behold, I am gathering two sticks, that I may go in and dress it for me and my son, that we may eat it, and die.

If God actualy spoke to her in verse 9 as you understand.
when the prophet meet her she would have just said something like ah! sir you are around, i have being waiting for you, pls seat, am coming let me prepare you the meal, or she would have prepared it awaiting the prophet, but you see all she did was of faith she had no  information on what was coming.

inedi:

The womans faith moved Elijah to proclaim blessings of prosperity upon her ( 1 Kings 17:14).

This is why am posting on this thread

inedi:

she gave and rcieved before the challange nof her son came
read verse 12- 16
the challange came in verse 17, read it thank you

Read my post again, or let me clarify; how do you believe the words of a prophet if you have doubt in his anointing? the restoration of her son erased doubts about Elijah's anointing, and this happened some time after she cooperated with Elijah and got what you called a 'miracle'

24And the woman said to Elijah, Now by this I know that thou art a man of God, [size=14pt]and that the word of the LORD in thy mouth is truth.[/size]

inedi:

Mr KunleOshob, God did not instruct the woman, He never spoke to her, God only spoke to the prophet or how do expain vers (12-16) it was the prophet that told her what God said.

inedi:

the issue is that God spoke to the prophet, but we dont have an acount were God spoke to the widow,

Let also look at some verse just before some Elijah was sent to the widow

4And it shall be, that thou shalt drink of the brook; [size=14pt]and I have commanded the ravens to feed thee there[/size]. 5So he went and did according unto the word of the LORD: for he went and dwelt by the brook Cherith, that is before Jordan.  6And the ravens brought him bread and flesh in the morning, and bread and flesh in the evening; and he drank of the brook.

we don't read God instructing the ravens to feed Elijah abi , but the ravens knew they had to feed the prophet abi

inedi:

Crying to political leaders to improve the economy of the nation wouldn't yield much result because you're calling on the wrong people; they don't have means to empower you with wealth.
The power to get wealth is not with the Kings, the politicians or the governments, but the Lord:

Here is the list of the most prosperous Nation on earth today based on Human development index. . . . .

1  Norway
2 Australia
3 New Zealand
4 United States
5 Ireland
6 Liechtenstein
7 Netherlands
8 Canada
9 Sweden
10 Germany
11 Japan
12 South Korea
13 Switzerland
14 France

Most of these nations are secular and socialist countries where the citizens fully depend on their governments for  empowerment and to provide them with a conducive atmosphere to proper. . . .How many of the nations listed above depend on any God or men of God to help them?. . . .

inedi:

am sur eits not verse 19, but verse 9
to understand it better i whold like you to read ( luke 4:26) " But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow

What are you understanding better the Luke text is not relevant here.

inedi:

the word commanded there does not mean that God spoke to, but God was make the prophet know that he still had food for him, it was like in this womans house i have made provision there go and eat,

It's right in front of you, but you dont see it The 'miracle' was not just for the woman, it was also for Elijah!

Like i said earlier, this is not a good illustration for your give and receive scam. see if you can come up with a more convincing story like Jo giving to receive prado or ipad

Zikkyy:

What are you understanding better the Luke text is not relevant here.

It's right in front of you, but you dont see it The 'miracle' was not just for the woman, it was also for Elijah!

Like i said earlier, this is not a good illustration for your give and receive scam. see if you can come up with a more convincing story like Jo giving to receive prado or ipad

OK maybe you have problem understanding the Old testament, lets read
(philipians 4:10-17)
But I rejoice in the Lord greatly, that now at last your care of me hath flourished again; wherein ye were also careful, but ye lacked opportunity. Not that I speak in respect of want: for i have learnt, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content. I know both how to be abased and I know how to abound; every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.
I can do all thing through Christ that strengtheneth me. Notwithstanding ye have well done, that ye did communicate with my affliction. Now ye Philipians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning given and recieving, but ye only.
For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity. Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account.

inedi:

OK maybe you have problem understanding the Old testament,

maybe

inedi:

lets read
(philipians 4:10-17)
But I rejoice in the Lord greatly, that now at last your care of me hath flourished again; wherein ye were also careful, but ye lacked opportunity. Not that I speak in respect of want: for i have learnt, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content. I know both how to be abased and I know how to abound; every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.
I can do all thing through Christ that strengtheneth me. Notwithstanding ye have well done, that ye did communicate with my affliction. Now ye Philipians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning given and recieving, but ye only.
For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity. Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account.

Okay. But no vex, i like to know what the Philipians received in return for their giving i don't see that info in your post above did it go round? i.e. every philipian that contributed to Paul got something in return

it's not my fault, i always like to have full disclosure thats how i learn

Zikkyy:

Thanks for the clarification Jo, i understand your post better now. but no vex, there are some things not quite clear, maybe you can help . . .

1. I assume they gave Paul cash or something close to that, what is Paul giving back  
2. I also get the impression here, that it is Paul that gives back i.e. a direct exchange. I need to understand how this work

Paul gave them blessing. A minister has ability to make men rich. By speaking blessing upon them.

2 Corinthians 6:10
we. .  as poor, yet making many rich. .

So paul pronounced blessings upon them.

Philippians 4:19
19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

This is even by the way. If Paul hadn't pronounced blessing on them , they would still have received through him because of the principle. That was why paul was excited that they gave him. Not because he wanted anything from them but because they are operating a principle that will bless them ,their blessing was his concern.

Philippians 4:10
10 But[b] I rejoiced[/b] in the Lord greatly, that now at the last your care of me hath flourished again. . 11 Not that I speak in respect of want. . 17 Not because I desire a gift: but[i] I desire[/i] fruit that may abound to your account.

I am not so sure now but what i read you say here is that for every giving, there must be a receiving. we must give to receive. No giving, no receiving. Kindly clarify. Thanks

God created the principle . You give out carbon dioxide to plants and in exchange you get oxygen from them.

My people suffer from poverty of the mind and pocket. During my religious days, i don't recall any chapter where the biblical jesus preached about worldly riches but what do we have here? A thread about "channels to wealth" (that's obviously gonna need payment via tithes,offerings and vows). Pathetic!

Joagbaje:

. . .  A minister has ability to make men rich. By speaking blessing upon them.

Like money-doublers and those who use children for money rituals! Nice.  

harakiri:

My people suffer from poverty of the mind and pocket. During my religious days, i don't recall any chapter where the biblical jesus preached about worldly riches but what do we have here? A thread about "channels to wealth" (that's obviously gonna need payment via tithes,offerings and vows). Pathetic!

Worldly riches is not the same as christian prosperity. God does Bless people so that they can be a blessing to others.

@joagbaje

A minister has the power to make men rich?

Are you serious?

Is that minister GOd?

Is every member of that minister's church rich?

Why are you equating mortals with with God?

Who makes athiest/ Muslim/ buddist rich?,  Your "mog's" ?

Richness is a result of hardwork and luck/ or luck alone,  And it happens across be spetrum of humanity.

For you to say a human possess the ability to bless another human with wealth is misleading and deceitful.

The richest people in the world worked their a.s.s off.   Your Mog's got wealthy of the the infacstructure  and influence of the church.    

Check the 1st ten richest people in the world and show me a pastor or man of GOd, the one with the ability to make another rich.


Such travesty. Stop deceiving people.