Nicenancy:

Acts 13:2
]As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, “Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”

Ammishaddai:

Kobojunkie and Maxinthehouse should help us explain

MaxInDHouse:


The Holy Spirit is not a person but God's active force. The verse doesn't mean they heard a voice but while deliberating on what Jesus taught them they discovered that the Holy Spirit is navigating their thoughts towards that direction.
Though when most people read the Bible they don't meditate thoroughly so if anyone wants to prove that the Holy Spirit is a person let him present the works of Mr Holy Spirit in the gathering of believers today! Galatians 5:22-23

MaxInDHouse:


The Holy Spirit is not a person but God's active force. The verse doesn't mean they heard a voice but while deliberating on what Jesus taught them they discovered that the Holy Spirit is navigating their thoughts towards that direction.
Though when most people read the Bible they don't meditate thoroughly so if anyone wants to prove that the Holy Spirit is a person let him present the works of Mr Holy Spirit in the gathering of believers today! Galatians 5:22-23

Ammishaddai:
Bros, do you know what a force is ? If you don't, kindly read up on it. And secondly, the book of Act13:2 , boldy writes that the Holy Spirit was talking to the apostles in a clear and audible voice. So how can that be a "force"? Or do forces talk....

Truvelisback:
Don't waste ur time argueing with him.

Ammishaddai:
Bros, do you know what a force is ? If you don't, kindly read up on it. And secondly, the book of Act13:2 , boldy writes that the Holy Spirit was talking to the apostles in a clear and audible voice. So how can that be a "force"? Or do forces talk....

Truvelisback:
Be deceiving urself. Who was the person that spoke in Acts13:2. The only thing JW are very good at is twisting the truth.

Nicenancy:

Acts 13:2
]As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, “Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”

MaxInDHouse:


Well if you don't agree it's not by force just present a group of worshipers in whose midst Mr Holy Spirit is talking or working today. Simple!

Ammishaddai:
The Holy Spirit is a person, not an impersonal force or influence. The Spirit of God has personal qualities and personal functions. The Spirit of God is God Himself present in the world of man working out His own purposes. “For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do His good pleasure.” (Philippians 2:13)

In Jesus’ farewell message in the Gospel of John Chapters 14 through 16, Jesus speaks of the Holy Spirit as if He is speaking of a personal friend. He refers to Him as that One (Greek: ekeinos) using the masculine personal pronoun "Nevertheless, I tell you the truth, it is expedient for you that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Comforter will not come unto you (John 16:7).” “And when He is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment (John 16:.” “When He the Spirit of Truth is come, He will guide you into all truth; for He shall not speak of Himself, but whatever He shall hear, that shall He speak and He will show you things to come (John 16:13).”

This can't possibly be a force . Especially when Jesus particularly referred to Him as a person from the above scriptures

I challenge you Trinity believers,use your Bible , give this forum, scripture & verse, where your holy spirit had one on one conversation with any believer.
Show the proof ! Bring it on

Janosky:

Luke 11:20
But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come on you.

Matthew 12:28
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you"
Exodus 8:19
Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, This is the finger of God: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as Jehovah had said."

Luke 11:20, Matthew 12:28 & Exodus 8:19 is crystal clear like daylight.

God's holy spirit is His finger.
If you believe his finger is a person,then, God's eyes & ears are persons to you.
That is your problem.

Your TV speaks, your phone speaks, your Radio speaks, your newspaper speaks,if you believe each of these are persons,that is your problem.

Genesis 22:1-12, Jehovah God had one on one conversation with Abraham.

Acts 9:4-6, the resurrected Jesus,a spirit in heaven had one on one conversation with Saul (later changed to Paul).

I challenge you Trinity believers,use your Bible , give this forum, scripture & verse, where your holy spirit had one on one conversation with any believer.
Show the proof ! Bring it on

Nicenancy:

Acts 13:2
]As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, “Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”

Ammishaddai:
[s][/s] I'm only following what Jesus said about the Holy Spirit , and He(Jesus )said the Holy Spirit is a person . If He were a force , Jesus would have stated it explicitly.

Janosky:

Luke 11:20 and Matthew 12:28, whose statement is that?
Na Jesus Christ talk am.
Continue DECEIVING yourself

Ammishaddai:
You can't call a force "Him ". So think deeply mumu

Janosky:

When Jesus calls God's finger a "Him",does your brain tell you he is not addressing a person?

Ammishaddai:
The Holy Spirit is a person, not an impersonal force or influence. The Spirit of God has personal qualities and personal functions. The Spirit of God is God Himself present in the world of man working out His own purposes. “For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do His good pleasure.” (Philippians 2:13)

In Jesus’ farewell message in the Gospel of John Chapters 14 through 16, Jesus speaks of the Holy Spirit as if He is speaking of a personal friend. He refers to Him as that One (Greek: ekeinos) using the masculine personal pronoun "Nevertheless, I tell you the truth, it is expedient for you that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Comforter will not come unto you (John 16:7).” “And when He is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment (John 16:.” “When He the Spirit of Truth is come, He will guide you into all truth; for He shall not speak of Himself, but whatever He shall hear, that shall He speak and He will show you things to come (John 16:13).”

This can't possibly be a force . Especially when Jesus particularly referred to Him as a person from the above scriptures

Ammishaddai:
"Finger"/ "Force" cannot teach people , neither can it be defined as a comforter or a revealer. Secondly , the acts 13:2 states it clearly that the Holy Spirit spoke to the Apostles. So it it obvious that the the Holy Spirit is a person ;not a force

Janosky:

Matthew 12:28 and Luke 11:20, Jesus Christ proven that holy spirit is God's finger.

Acts 13:2, JEHOVAH speaks through His holy spirit as you speak through your phone.
Is your phone a person?

The Bible truth dey pain una brain.

Exodus 8:19 Jehovah performed a miracle at Pharaoh's palace through Holy spirit.
Did Pharaoh's magicians say a person performed that miracle?

MaxInDHouse:


Guy leave all these STORY! STORY!! STORY!!
The man you're quoting himself said:

"That is why I speak to them by the use of illustrations; for looking, they look in vain, and hearing, they hear in vain, nor do they get the sense of it" Matthew 13:13

Jesus said his own true followers who gets the sense of what he is saying will have LOVE among themselves {John 13:34-35} so present any group of people where Mr Holy Spirit or Ghost is working out this attribute {James 2:18-26} meanwhile i present to the whole world the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses amongst whom LOVE, JOY and PEACE reigns.
They said the Spirit working out all these in their midst is God's Active Force. But you people are saying you have a Spirit in your midst that's a person, hen nah present the WORKS of Mr Holy Spirit in your midst and stop all these STORIES because it's nonsense to any right thinking person!

Ammishaddai:
So why are people leaving the JW movement ? I have tonnes of videos that have document footage and narratives of former members of JW calling your gathering a cult that strays from the truth in the bible.

But that's digressing . But the point here is this : the Holy Spirit is a person (as stated by Jesus Christ Himself ) . Secondly, the Holy Spirit moves in the circle of believers throughout the world

MaxInDHouse:


That's the same way faithless people did to our Master, Lord and King in the first century:

Because of this, many of his disciples went off to the things behind and would no longer walk with him. John 6:66
Many began referring to our Master as the head of CULTISTS so we're already fortified with knowledge that it will always happen since it happened to our Master,Lord and King! Matthew 10:25



Can you present any group of people in whose midst Mr Holy Spirit is working out LOVE, JOY and PEACE like everyone knows amongst Jehovah's Witnesses today? James 2:18-26

Remember that those who left Jesus in the first century will never say any good thing about him afterwards {Mark 14:58} but those who remained together will continue to feel the presence of God's Active Force WORKING in their midst! John 14:26; 16:12-13

So instead of arguing blindly just present one group of people among whom this your Mr Holy Spirit/Ghost is WORKING!

Ammishaddai:
Jehovah's witnesses don't practice love sir . They only pretend to do so ; which is one of the reason people are leaving the gathering

MaxInDHouse:


You really amuse me my friend!

So people from North America, South America, Australia, Asia, Europe, Africa willingly surrender themselves just to start pretending they love one another, shey?

I thought i'm chatting with someone whose brains is working!

My friend don't be stupid, people can't come from different races throughout the earth only to pretend they love one another, please for what reason?

Just say Mr Holy Spirit has nothing doing in your midst!

Ammishaddai:
But you're either being more stupid than necessary , or you're outright delusional if you think JWs have love in their midst . And secondly, how can there be love in that cult when all doctrines and prophesies that Charles Russell Taze predicted never came to pass.

Or does God lie through His spirit Thirdly, the fruits of the spirit are not even seen in JW gatherings so how can the Holy Spirit be there? Or do JWs speak in tongues ?

You neither speak in tongues nor rely on the presence of the Holy Spirit for the edification of anything so how then can the Holy Spirit be in the midst of a people who intentionally deny His power and existence through self-interest interpretations

MaxInDHouse:



If we come to teach you people you will say you are already Christians, you don't even know the difference between the GIFTS and FRUIT of the Spirit!

But for the interest of other followers of this thread i'll shed the light on what you misconstrued.

Jesus likens God's Holy Spirit to a tree that's why he talked about it's GIFTS and it's FRUIT.
A tree can have big leaves, strong stem and root, beautiful in appearance and it's leaves may be good for herbal use, all these are the GIFTS of the tree not it's FRUIT. On the other hand the FRUIT is just one type that's why Paul never referred to this part in plural because God's Holy Spirit have just one FRUIT with nine qualities:

But the FRUIT of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23

Now Jesus himself never speak of the fruit of God's Holy Spirit as in many:

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good FRUIT; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil FRUIT. Matthew 7:17

So what are the GIFTS of God's Active Force?

Apostle Paul listed these GIFTS {1Corinthians 12:1-4} so prophecy, healings, speaking in tongues, divine knowledge are all GIFTS of God's Active Force and Paul declared that all these GIFTS will cease after the completion of the Bible:

Love never fails. But if there are GIFTS of prophecy, they will be done away with; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away with. For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially, but when what is complete comes, what is partial will be done away with. 1Corinthians 13:8-10

But as for the FRUIT of God's Active Force it will forever continue to yield in the midst of true Christians:

But the FRUIT of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23

So the GIFTS of God's Active Force that you people are searching for going to different sects has been done away with in true Christianity but about the FRUIT Jesus said:

I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves! John 13:34-35

That's why you people can't present any group in whose midst those GIFTS are present today, but if you want to argue then get an amputee and take him/her to any of your so called churches for HEALING after all that is one of the GIFTS Paul mentioned.

But as for the FRUIT having nine qualities:
LOVE, JOY PEACE PATIENCE GOODNESS GENTLENESS FAITH MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL {Galatians 5:22-23} this everyone knows that is evident in the midst of God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses)
That's the one and only organization of believers who will never raise weapons against anyone because of their LOVE for God and neighbours, they are the one and only group of worshipers in whose midst there is LOVE! 1John 4:8

So my friend you got it wrong, the GIFTS of God's Active Force is no more operational anywhere again just as Apostle Paul declared but the FRUIT of God's Active Force is evident in the midst of God's people Jehovah's Witnesses!

Ammishaddai:
Your sense of reasoning is questionable. Please the word "He" in act 13:2 refers to who ? A force or a person ? Forces don't have masculine or feminine and there is no justification for it in the context of this scripture. So argue based on that