The real Messiah has no need to come a second time, he must do them the first time around in order to actually be the Messiah..

Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah; Jews do not. Some think this is the only difference between Christianity and Judaism. What you should understand is that there is an entire theology that one must accept in order to believe as Christians do. Jews see this theology as diametrically opposite to what the Bible states.

IN SHORT… Most Christians identify the messiah with Jesus, define him as Gd incarnate, and believe he died for the sins of humanity as a blood sacrifice. This requires that one accept the concept of vicarious atonement. However, “One person cannot die for the sins of another,” this idea is the opposite from what is written in Deuteronomy 24:16, ‘Every man shall be put to death for his own sin’ — also expressed in Exodus 32:30-35 and Ezekiel 18. The mainstream Christian idea of the messiah also assumes that Gd wants and will accept a human sacrifice. After all, it was either Jesus-the-human or Jesus-the-Gd who died on the cross. Jews, and presumably, Christians as well, believe that Gd cannot die, and so all that Christians are left with, in the death of Jesus on the cross, is a human sacrifice. However, in Deuteronomy 12:30-31, Gd calls human sacrifice an abomination, and something He hates: ‘for every abomination to the Etrnl, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.’ All human beings are sons or daughters, and any sacrifice to Gd of any human being would be something that Gd would hate. Therefore, the Christian conception of the messiah consists of ideas that are unbiblical.

Assuming you were not given birth to but fell from the sky or just started existing suddenly....I would have said you are making sense. But you a common mortal that life can be squeezed out from in less than a second for spewing trash...
Be there thinking you are being logical...logic can never make you understand God's word, avoid making mockery of God.


Seems you are scared of God that you are using Gd for him....I don't know him as Gd but God, if you can type the lengthy word "Christan" in full without any short form. What is stopping you from typing just 3 letter words "God".

I agree with you on the point that Christianity is based off entirely on human sacrifice.

22jumpstreet:
The real Messiah has no need to come a second time, he must do them the first time around in order to actually be the Messiah..

Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah; Jews do not. Some think this is the only difference between Christianity and Judaism. What you should understand is that there is an entire theology that one must accept in order to believe as Christians do. Jews see this theology as diametrically opposite to what the Bible states.

IN SHORT… Most Christians identify the messiah with Jesus, define him as Gd incarnate, and believe he died for the sins of humanity as a blood sacrifice. This requires that one accept the concept of vicarious atonement. However, “One person cannot die for the sins of another,” this idea is the opposite from what is written in Deuteronomy 24:16, ‘Every man shall be put to death for his own sin’ — also expressed in Exodus 32:30-35 and Ezekiel 18. The mainstream Christian idea of the messiah also assumes that Gd wants and will accept a human sacrifice. After all, it was either Jesus-the-human or Jesus-the-Gd who died on the cross. Jews, and presumably, Christians as well, believe that Gd cannot die, and so all that Christians are left with, in the death of Jesus on the cross, is a human sacrifice. However, in Deuteronomy 12:30-31, Gd calls human sacrifice an abomination, and something He hates: ‘for every abomination to the Etrnl, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.’ All human beings are sons or daughters, and any sacrifice to Gd of any human being would be something that Gd would hate. Therefore, the Christian conception of the messiah consists of ideas that are unbiblical.

@22jumpstreet....well if you don't believe in the second coming that's on you. If I believe that's on me too. What if all of this happens to be true and you find out at the last minute..how would you feel?

If you feel you are much clever than the generations of Christians that have believed in the Messiah. The fact that you don't believe doesn't make you right..and the fact that I believe doesn't make me right either. However, I think we should all respect each others belief and stop trying to convince people that they are stupid.

If you don't know where you were before you were formed in your mother's womb or don't know where you are going after you are dug in the grave, you don't have any right to tell people that their beliefs don't matter.

peggywebbs:
@22jumpstreet....well if you don't believe in the second coming that's on you. If I believe that's on me too. What if all of this happens to be true and you find out at the last minute..how would you feel?

If you feel you are much clever than the generations of Christians that have believed in the Messiah. The fact that you don't believe doesn't make you right..and the fact that I believe doesn't make me right either. However, I think we should all respect each others belief and stop trying to convince people that they are stupid.

If you don't know where you were before you were formed in your mother's womb or don't know where you are going after you are dug in the grave, you don't have any right to tell people that their beliefs don't matter.

Is your belief born out of fear ?

floss:
Assuming you were not given birth to but fell from the sky or just started existing suddenly....I would have said you are making sense. But you a common mortal that life can be squeezed out from in less than a second for spewing trash...
Be there thinking you are being logical...logic can never make you understand God's word, avoid making mockery of God.


Seems you are scared of God that you are using Gd for him....I don't know him as Gd but God, if you can type the lengthy word "Christan" in full without any short form. What is stopping you from typing just 3 letter words "God".

You did not address the topic..

No, my belief is born out of conviction. I understand my belief and I know why I choose to follow it. I'm not a person who easily accepts things and I consider myself a very argumentative person. However, I chose my belief because I am convinced it is true. I still continue to learn more about it and investigate it. I don't take things just because a pastor says so or because the religion says so. I go deeper and I look for answers.


The Jews don't believe in Jesus and Apostle Paul mentioned it in Romans. The same reason is simply because people follow a book from page to page and forget that it contains the realities of life. Even when some people including Christians stare at the Messiah face-to-face, they will still argue scripture and deny him.

The truth is if you understand the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross, you will understand that it is not the same as slaughtering a goat. Jesus Christ came to the world to share the truth about God. He wanted people to know that it was easy to relate with God and have a close relationship with him.

The Pharisees were extorting people like we have pastors today doing the same thing. The sacrifice Jesus made can be compared to the sacrifices freedom fighters make in the world today. Nobody wants to hear the truth and when someone speaks up, they are silenced. Jesus brought truth and that was why he was killed, it was a sacrifice because he knew that he would be killed for what he would share to the world.

The fact of been saved by is sacrifice is what a lot of Christians misconstrue. With the that sacrifice, we can seek repentance to God directly, why because we know the truth. We know that God is not hard to reach. We don't need to make sacrifices in some temple or fill the bellies of priests, or Pharisees to get God's pardon. If you read through the history of the practices of the Jewish Pharisees, you will see why they hated Jesus. He abolished their practices and made people see that they were being deceived.

So I'll advise you when studying or trying to criticize Christianity, look at all angles of religion, and try to understand their dynamics. You will eventually be able to point out the truth. There are lots of references, from history books and not only the Bible that brings a wider truth.

22jumpstreet:


Is your belief born out of fear ?

peggywebbs:
No, my belief is born out of conviction. I understand my belief and I know why I choose to follow it. I'm not a person who easily accepts things and I consider myself a very argumentative person. However, I chose my belief because I am convinced it is true. I still continue to learn more about it and investigate it. I don't take things just because a pastor says so or because the religion says so. I go deeper and I look for answers.


The Jews don't believe in Jesus and Apostle Paul mentioned it in Romans. The same reason is simply because people follow a book from page to page and forget that it contains the realities of life. Even when some people including Christians stare at the Messiah face-to-face, they will still argue scripture and deny him.

The truth is if you understand the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross, you will understand that it is not the same as slaughtering a goat. Jesus Christ came to the world to share the truth about God. He wanted people to know that it was easy to relate with God and have a close relationship with him.

The Pharisees were extorting people like we have pastors today doing the same thing. The sacrifice Jesus made can be compared to the sacrifices freedom fighters make in the world today. Nobody wants to hear the truth and when someone speaks up, they are silenced. Jesus brought truth and that was why he was killed, it was a sacrifice because he knew that he would be killed for what he would share to the world.

The fact of been saved by is sacrifice is what a lot of Christians misconstrue. With the that sacrifice, we can seek repentance to God directly, why because we know the truth. We know that God is not hard to reach. We don't need to make sacrifices in some temple or fill the bellies of priests, or Pharisees to get God's pardon. If you read through the history of the practices of the Jewish Pharisees, you will see why they hated Jesus. He abolished their practices and made people see that they were being deceived.

So I'll advise you when studying or trying to criticize Christianity, look at all angles of religion, and try to understand their dynamics. You will eventually be able to point out the truth. There are lots of references, from history books and not only the Bible that brings a wider truth.

I sincerely doubt if you have done any meaningful research. If you have you would have discovered that your Jesus is a made up character by the romans. The jews don't believe in Jesus because they understand that it would be idolatry. God never at any time through any prophet tell them that he was sending his son to come to earth. To them God is one. No partner . Isreal itself was God first son. He already told them "do not have any other God before me, which means no intermediary. Do not make the image or likeness of anything in heaven , on earth or under the water below the the earth. Do not bow down to them or serve them. Then he will turn around and send a man for them to worship. Something that is found on earth. Does it make any sense to you. Or having told them "thou shall not kill" then he would be expecting a human sacrifice...makes no sense to me. God has already provided a solution to the problem of sin in 2nd Chronicles 7:14. All he requires is confess and forsake and he would forgive....so I wonder where John, Paul, Mathew, Mark or Luke got the idea from in the new testaments from?


Does not make any sense...Christianity is just paganism rebranded..

Even after everything He Said in Mathew 24 has happened and is happening, the Op still says this?

Surely, he is talking about a certain Roman fabrication and not Jesus, The Christ, The Son of God!

22jumpstreet:

.."thou shall not kill" then he would be expecting a human sacrifice...makes no sense to me

Everyone knows "Thou shalt not kill" but we killed, so according to Law WE ARE GONNA DIE!

Unless we have indeed given our Life.

But if we give our lives, we shall have no life to use to continue living.

And this is where The Gift of The Lord Jesus Christ Is greatly appreciated by us.

That is what every Christian Knows but certainly an Insane man never has understanding, especially as everyone here has run through it with you, but I guess your periodic attacks of insanity as a result of drug use prevents you from understanding that WHEN GOD HAS SETTLED A MATTER NO ONE CAN ALTER IT.

So Op, he is not your Messiah so you can follow your own messiah, no one is stopping you!

I have done a lot of research and still doing more. I have looked at it from every angle whether Hinduism, Islam, and other religions including freemasonry. I am telling you, that the new testament has nothing to do with idolatry. If Christianity has been corrupted, that I agree. Infact we have deviated from the true purpose of the religion and many have wielded its power to control people.

Yes Christianity has committed a lot of attrocities and even imbibed new age practices and idolatry. However, if you look at the new testament, you see how much it criticizes Judaism. All the disciples were persecuted and killed by the Jews including Jesus Christ himself.

They are the people of the law and were rightfully God's own people. However, their adolatory ways or practices and disobedience led them away from God. They don't like the way Christianity portrays them like the prodigal child. They were so fixated on the law and they were not even abiding by it. The Jewish people have a lot of questionable practices and trust me, when you find out you won't be all on their side. You should also find out why it became necessary for Jesus to fulfill the assignment he came to the heart to do.

Like I said, for a critical analysis of any religion, you have to look at every angle. I am not defending Christianity because I'm a Christian but because I am convinced it is the truth. I read literature, watch educational documentaries, look for old manuscripts and learn from different people's perspectives. Besides not all jews are against Jesus. They are actually divided and the Bible says many of them will still come to believe eventually.

22jumpstreet:


I sincerely doubt if you have done any meaningful research. If you have you would have discovered that your Jesus is a made up character by the romans. The jews don't believe in Jesus because they understand that it would be idolatry. God never at any time through any prophet tell them that he was sending his son to come to earth. To them God is one. No partner . Isreal itself was God first son. He already told them "do not have any other God before me, which means no intermediary. Do not make the image or likeness of anything in heaven , on earth or under the water below the the earth. Do not bow down to them or serve them. Then he will turn around and send a man for them to worship. Something that is found on earth. Does it make any sense to you. Or having told them "thou shall not kill" then he would be expecting a human sacrifice...makes no sense to me. God has already provided a solution to the problem of sin in 2nd Chronicles 7:14. All he requires is confess and forsake and he would forgive....so I wonder where John, Paul, Mathew, Mark or Luke got the idea from in the new testaments from?


Does not make any sense...Christianity is just paganism rebranded..

The second coming of Christ will be in two forms, first he will come as a spirit being that nobody will see physically but his true disciples will perceive that their King is around! Luke 18:8
His coming is the reorganize faithful people claiming Christians and start teaching them many things that has been lost during the times the churches of Christendom went off course.
Then the whole world will see a sign:

But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it. And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Micah 4:1-3

Jesus will use God's Holy Spirit to control them and they will start gathering people together from all races, they will teach them the things God wants, and the result: they will settle all their racial disparities, they will all agree to divert all their resources to production of food and information materials, they will not think of weapons nor military services anymore!


When you see this happening then know that Jesus the Messiah is here in spirit because he must first gather all his people under one umbrella {Matthew 13:30} make them share the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} then the plans to destroy the rest will begin! Matthew 16:27

peggywebbs:
I have done a lot of research and still doing more. I have looked at it from every angle whether Hinduism, Islam, and other religions including freemasonry. I am telling you, that the new testament has nothing to do with idolatry. If Christianity has been corrupted, that I agree. Infact we have deviated from the true purpose of the religion and many have wielded its power to control people.

Yes Christianity has committed a lot of attrocities and even imbibed new age practices and idolatry. However, if you look at the new testament, you see how much it criticizes Judaism. All the disciples were persecuted and killed by the Jews including Jesus Christ himself.

They are the people of the law and were rightfully God's own people. However, their adolatory ways or practices and disobedience led them away from God. They don't like the way Christianity portrays them like the prodigal child. They were so fixated on the law and they were not even abiding by it. The Jewish people have a lot of questionable practices and trust me, when you find out you won't be all on their side. You should also find out why it became necessary for Jesus to fulfill the assignment he came to the heart to do.

Like I said, for a critical analysis of any religion, you have to look at every angle. I am not defending Christianity because I'm a Christian but because I am convinced it is the truth. I read literature, watch educational documentaries, look for old manuscripts and learn from different people's perspectives. Besides not all jews are against Jesus. They are actually divided and the Bible says many of them will still come to believe eventually.

Lol..you are still not understanding anything.

The whole religion and jesus was created in Nicea by emperor Constantine, after they have argued for almost 2 years. There is nothing divine about it. God has got nothing to do with it. How can a religion that goes against God laws be the truth. ? Everything God commanded man not to do is what Christianity is all about. You have to wake up..I know you have friends and all and you have invested your whole life on it, I was in your shoes. You can heal gradually and God will open doors for you and new friends. Remember "if a man's/woman's ways Is pleasing to the lord he even makes his enemies to be at peace with him." Proverbs 26:7
Just learn God's laws and follow them.

It is not hard to give, it is idolatry to worship a man as God..

You still don't understand me. I am not supporting any denomination. I am not saying that Christianity is the only true or pure way. I am telling you that the gospel of Jesus Christ is real. As for Christianity, it has evolved and been transformed in gazillion ways. It is corrupted and what we now a control system in the name of religion. Everything Jesus taught is in line with the old testament. However, the church system of today is something else. I am defending the gospel of Christ and not the religion of church.

Whether Judaism or Christianity, they are all man-made ideologies and they conform with man. They change and they come up with unexplainable practices, that is what Jesus came to abolish. The only thing that does not change is the word of God. When Jesus talked about the church, he was talking about you and I as the temple of God. He was not talking about creating branches or denominations. In fact he worshipped in the temple, where judiasm was practiced. He specifically said he had not come to introduce a new law or religion but to fulfill the prophecy or the word of God. In fact the term Christian, was coined as followers of Christ and not to mean a religion.

He brought the gospel to people who were not originally from Israel or according to the Bible gentiles. So its not a building, its not a church, its a relationship with God and his creators. Like I said again, study the history of religion, trace the history, I am not defending a church, I am talking about the gospel of truth.

sonmvayina:


Lol..you are still not understanding anything.

The whole religion and jesus was created in Nicea by emperor Constantine, after they have argued for almost 2 years. There is nothing divine about it. God has got nothing to do with it. How can a religion that goes against God laws be the truth. ? Everything God commanded man not to do is what Christianity is all about. You have to wake up..I know you have friends and all and you have invested your whole life on it, I was in your shoes. You can heal gradually and God will open doors for you and new friends. Remember "if a man's/woman's ways Is pleasing to the lord he even makes his enemies to be at peace with him." Proverbs 26:7
Just learn God's laws and follow them.

It is not hard to give, it is idolatry to worship a man as God..

MaxInDHouse:


But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it. And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Micah 4:1-3

I love this quote from Micah , but you seem not to understand it at all. You are trying so hard to bring Jesus into your comment when Micah never said anything of sort. He is talking about the messianic age and you guys worshipping idols coming to meet them to teach you guys about the God of Israel. And how to follow God's laws.

There is no Jesus in Judaism. To them Christianity is just same old rebranded paganism with a different name. They stick to their God who happens to be the creator of the universe.
What I am simply doing is drawing your attention to the fact that there is only one God who created heaven and earth and has given us laws to keep in other for peace to reign on earth.

The Messiah he did promise is from the root of David through Solomon. Neither the genealogies in Mathew and Luke can produce the Messiah.. I mean what is the purpose of them anyway if Jesus is not Joseph's son. More things to ponder about in the Christian Bible.

The Messiah will come just once and do those things God said he would. That is how he will be recognized. Not miracles or magic...

Come back and follow God's laws like the quote above...I am keeping them. I know you can.

sonmvayina:


I love this quote from Micah , but you seem not to understand it at all. You are trying so hard to bring Jesus into your comment when Micah never said anything of sort. He is talking about the messianic age and you guys worshipping idols coming to meet them to teach you guys about the God of Israel. And how to follow God's laws.

There is no Jesus in Judaism. To them Christianity is just same old rebranded paganism with a different name. They stick to their God who happens to be the creator of the universe.
What I am simply doing is drawing your attention to the fact that there is only one God who created heaven and earth and has given us laws to keep in other for peace to reign on earth.

The Messiah he did promise is from the root of David through Solomon. Neither the genealogies in Mathew and Luke can produce the Messiah.. I mean what is the purpose of them anyway if Jesus is not Joseph's son. More things to ponder about in the Christian Bible.

The Messiah will come just once and do those things God said he would. That is how he will be recognized. Not miracles or magic...

Come back and follow God's laws like the quote above...I am keeping them. I know you can.

I've told you several times that God's word is alive and it exerts power, so if you can't present a practical application of what you're saying then you're just another agitating liar deceiving yourself!
Micah is talking about Jehovah's Witnesses and everything he said is fulfilling exactly has he said so if you don't know any group of people fulfilling that prophecy then you're deceiving yourself!

peggywebbs:
You still don't understand me. I am not supporting any denomination. I am not saying that Christianity is the only true or pure way. I am telling you that the gospel of Jesus Christ is real. As for Christianity, it has evolved and been transformed in gazillion ways. It is corrupted and what we now a control system in the name of religion. Everything Jesus taught is in line with the old testament. However, the church system of today is something else. I am defending the gospel of Christ and not the religion of church.

Whether Judaism or Christianity, they are all man-made ideologies and they conform with man. They change and they come up with unexplainable practices, that is what Jesus came to abolish. The only thing that does not change is the word of God. When Jesus talked about the church, he was talking about you and I as the temple of God. He was not talking about creating branches or denominations. In fact he worshipped in the temple, where judiasm was practiced. He specifically said he had not come to introduce a new law or religion but to fulfill the prophecy or the word of God. In fact the term Christian, was coined as followers of Christ and not to mean a religion.

He brought the gospel to people who were not originally from Israel or according to the Bible gentiles. So its not a building, its not a church, its a relationship with God and his creators. Like I said again, study the history of religion, trace the history, I am not defending a church, I am talking about the gospel of truth.

Jesus is not real...that is what I have been saying.

Is superman real? He lives in metropolis in Arkansas...does it mean it is real. Capital NO...Jesus belongs to the same category. He is just a made up character or super hero.

The Messiah God spoke about through the prophet is a mortal man from the tribe of Judah. He will have a father and mother. Sons born or virgin is part of Roman and Greeks mythology...not Jewish..

The romans and Greeks made him up. Just like perseus in clash of the titans....

Follow God's laws..leave Jesus alone he never existed..

MaxInDHouse:


I've told you several times that God's word is alive and it exerts power, so if you can't present a practical application of what you're saying then you're just another agitating liar deceiving yourself!
Micah is talking about Jehovah's Witnesses and everything he said is fulfilling exactly has he said so if you don't know any group of people fulfilling that prophecy then you're deceiving yourself!

MaxInDHouse my friend, you don't need to belong to a group or Cult in other to obey God's commandments..you don't need to. God never asked us to. Where you got the idea of group is beyond me. I don't need to be a Jehovah's Witness to honor my parents. I just do it effortlessly. When I think I did anything to annoy them I ask for forgiveness and confess to God and try not to next time. That is all God wants...if we all do keep it like he commanded the world will be at peace....and he will send us the Messiah.and we will truly witness the messianic era...no more suffering and oppression..

You see where you're wrong..you are comparing the accounts of a movie or comic book character to reality. If we go by what you are saying then Aristotle, Plato and others are fictional characters.

There are historical accounts of the existence of Jesus Christ outside the Bible. Even historians will never agree with you that Jesus Christ is a fictitious character. There are many records that proved he walked the earth. All the disciples and everything that happened during their era, has record. You are forgetting that Jesus Christ existed at a time, people were literate and could read and write. It was not a remote village setting, please go and study history and stop arguing blindly on nairaland.

Anyway who wants to learn should be able to read wide and travel the ends of the earth to find the truth. Arguing back and forth without any practical approach is futile and fruitless.

sonmvayina:


Jesus is not real...that is what I have been saying.

Is superman real? He lives in metropolis in Arkansas...does it mean it is real. Capital NO...Jesus belongs to the same category. He is just a made up character or super hero.

The Messiah God spoke about through the prophet is a mortal man from the tribe of Judah. He will have a father and mother. Sons born or virgin is part of Roman and Greeks mythology...not Jewish..

The romans and Greeks made him up. Just like perseus in clash of the titans....

Follow God's laws..leave Jesus alone he never existed..

sonmvayina:


MaxInDHouse my friend, you don't need to belong to a group or Cult in other to obey God's commandments..you don't need to. God never asked us to. Where you got the idea of group is beyond me. I don't need to be a Jehovah's Witness to honor my parents. I just do it effortlessly. When I think I did anything to annoy them I ask for forgiveness and confess to God and try not to next time. That is all God wants...if we all do keep it like he commanded the world will be at peace....and he will send us the Messiah.and we will truly witness the messianic era...no more suffering and oppression..

You call an organization of believers "CULT" then you said:

sonmvayina:

Come back and follow God's laws like the quote above...I am keeping them. I know you can.

So it's you who belong to no known group that is not a cult shey?
Ògbéni go and fetch members for your cult elsewhere!

MaxInDHouse:


You call an organization of believers "CULT" then you said:



So it's you who belong to no known group that is not a cult shey?
Ògbéni go and fetch members for your cult elsewhere!

You understand what I am saying but God has hardened your heart to resist it. Beware of what is coming next...

peggywebbs:
You see where you're wrong..you are comparing the accounts of a movie or comic book character to reality. If we go by what you are saying then Aristotle, Plato and others are fictional characters.

There are historical accounts of the existence of Jesus Christ outside the Bible. Even historians will never agree with you that Jesus Christ is a fictitious character. There are many records that proved he walked the earth. All the disciples and everything that happened during their era, has record. You are forgetting that Jesus Christ existed at a time, people were literate and could read and write. It was not a remote village setting, please go and study history and stop arguing blindly on nairaland.

Anyway who wants to learn should be able to read wide and travel the ends of the earth to find the truth. Arguing back and forth without any practical approach is futile and fruitless.

Maybe a man by the name Jesus must have existed but the one portrayed in the new testaments is fictional. Virgin birth?? Common, is that not a red flag for you?

Just learn 10 commandments and follow them

sonmvayina:

You understand what I am saying but God has hardened your heart to resist it. Beware of what is coming next...

Of course i can understand that you're confused!
If .01% of the world's population are practicing what you are saying won't you be bold to present them as example of people having faith?
But because no organized people are known for it you're not ready to listen to any other person yet you say God is consciousness and each of us is God, then you say reincarnation will be the punishment for those who failed to yield to what you're saying, then you say they will be punished again.
Abeg which one you dey gangan!

MaxInDHouse:


Of course i can understand that you're confused!
If .01% of the world's population are practicing what you are saying won't you be bold to present them as example of people having faith?
But because no organized people are known for it you're not ready to listen to any other person yet you say God is consciousness and each of us is God, then you say reincarnation will be the punishment for those who failed to yield to what you're saying, then you say they will be punished again.
Abeg which one you dey gangan!

Let us take it 1 step at a time just answer yes or no

1. Do I need to be in a group to obey God's laws ?

Eg do I need to be in a group to honour my parents?

sonmvayina:

Let us take it 1 step at a time just answer yes or no
1. Do I need to be in a group to obey God's laws ?
Eg do I need to be in a group to honour my parents?

YES!

MaxInDHouse:


YES!

Question 2 why do you think so?

sonmvayina:

Question 2 why do you think so?

Because bad association spoils useful habits so a group of people having the same line of thought on honouring the elderly will continue to encourage themselves on why they must continue to honour the elderly ones in their midst whether such elderly person is virtuous or not!

MaxInDHouse:


Because bad association spoils useful habits so a group of people having the same line of thought on honouring the elderly will continue to encourage themselves on why they must continue to honour the elderly ones in their midst whether such elderly person is virtuous or not!

That's what family is for...encourage each other and teach each other family values and traditions. There is really no need for the whole town to gather in a place just to teach people to honour their parents or don't lie or don't steal or don't steal...these laws has been written in our heart.

Question 3
Did God ask us to belong to a group outside of our family before we can obey his laws ?

sonmvayina:

That's what family is for...encourage each other and teach each other family values and traditions. There is really no need for the whole town to gather in a place just to teach people to honour their parents or don't lie or don't steal or don't steal...these laws has been written in our heart.

I disagree with the bolded!
Not all families are virtuous and it's what they do that their children will emulate.
You're here always talking about the Torah, let's take for instance God's law regarding premarital sex, in ancient times most tribes see it as a taboo for a young woman who is not married not to be a virgin but gradually they began giving in to what is en vogue until where we are today.
Do you still know any family who are strictly adhering to that again today?

But had it been there was a group of people keeping it whether the families take it seriously or not within such a group they will uphold it and continue encouraging one another not to give in to the decadence going on around whether the families are keeping it or not.
Back then families do have the tradition of keeping a form of trade so that their children will continue it but today everyone wants to be rich at all cost so the crafts and trade are no longer taken seriously most of the youths are into Yahoo Plus and so far they are making money most parents welcome the development. So if we're to rely on families it's a complete failure!

sonmvayina:

Question 3
Did God ask us to belong to a group outside of our family before we can obey his laws ?

YES!
Korah was the head of his family himself and his children belong to the Organization of God's people but when Korah decided to leave the arrangement his sons stick to what binds God's people together. That's why God preserved Korah's children but Korah and all those who kicked against Moses died!
So if Korah's children had stick to their family setting instead of the Organization of God's people they would have perished with their father!