FxMasterz:


We don't consider anyone special. Please be corrected.

We're all special before God. In Christ Jesus, we all are equal.

Israel was only used as a template from whom we're able to learn about God's character, His hatred for wickedness, His love for Justice and His understanding affection for mankind.

Do you know that God punished Israel severely for wronging the Gibeonites? Many Israelites died because of the Gibeonites.

Yes, you do. Your concept of god and your veneration of Israel prove it.

Veecruz:


Firstly, If you are capable of good reason which you antiGod clearly lack, you would have observed that no 2 or more landlords command a house, so also no 2 or more Gods command this House we call the world.

And by the fulfillment of several prophecies in the bible it is Clear beyond every reasonable doubt that The God the hebrews is God and God Only.

None of the several gods you imagine to say, are known only in name and their acts are so inconsequential that they do not make social conversations.

Neither did they tell us tell us any future that people in the world and ascribed to them.

So, good reason clearly and undislutably shows that The God of the Bible, is God in deed, and it is not subject to whether you accept it or not But Good and sound reasons have proven it.

Secondly, even you would rejoice if bandits and kidnappers are genocided and you would never complain about it, if anything like the rest of the world, you would thank the Army that wipes them out away.

If you weren’t delusional you’d know that your analogy makes no sense. “This house we call world” my ass.

The greedy Hebrew bastards and their delusions don’t make “this world you call house” the possession of their god.

KnownUnknown:


Yes, you do. Your concept of god and your veneration of Israel prove it.

You misunderstood.

Our concept of God is justified by what we know of God and what He has done for us in the course of our relationship with Him.

Israel is currently not a nation in tune with God. God has a future program for them. But Israel is God's time clock for the world. Events unfolding in Israel tell us what stage we are in the scheme of God's agenda for the world.

There's nothing special about Israel other than that. We're all one in Christ Jesus. You're probably misled by what you think of us without knowing what we really believe.

😒thats how all these pastors go de talk trash

FxMasterz:


You misunderstood.

Our concept of God is justified by what we know of God and what He has done for us in the course of our relationship with Him.

Israel is currently not a nation in tune with God. God has a future program for them. But Israel is God's time clock for the world. Events unfolding in Israel tell us what stage we are in the scheme of God's agenda for the world.

There's nothing special about Israel other than that. We're all one in Christ Jesus. You're probably misled by what you think of us without knowing what we really believe.

More Jew venerating nonsense.

KnownUnknown:


More Jew venerating nonsense.

To the ignorance, it's nonsense as the Bible has already prophesied. That's why world events would catch you unawares because you're unable to understand the times you live in.

We believers in Christ cannot be caught unawares because we know the next event that would unfold as we follow God's time line for the end of the age while watching God's time clock.

FxMasterz:


To the ignorance, it's nonsense as the Bible has already prophesied. That's why world events would catch you unawares because you're unable to understand the times you live in.

We believers in Christ cannot be caught unawares because we know the next event that would unfold as we follow God's time line for the end of the age while watching God's time clock.

More Jew venerating nonsense.

KnownUnknown:


More Jew venerating nonsense.

If it's nonsense, it wouldn't have worked for us.

FxMasterz:


I didn't lie against Mohammed. He killed people and also commanded Muslims to kill. The story of the Jewish woman he tied to two Carmela just because the woman rejected his prophethood is a painful story each time I remember it.

Why can't Mohammed give her proof of his prophethood instead of killing her?

It is true that in the cause of Governing Medina (Called Tema in the Bible) those who went against the Divine Laws had to be Judged and you and I know how drastic such Laws are, people died.

The same can be said of Moses, David and Solomon. You pick no offense with Moses, David but with Muhammad.

I know it is hard for you but try and be fair

Lukuluku69:


It is true that in the cause of Governing Medina (Called Tema in the Bible) those who went against the Divine Laws had to be Judged and you and I know how drastic such Laws are, people died.

The same can be said of Moses, David and Solomon. You pick no offense with Moses, David but with Muhammad.

I know it is hard for you but try and be fair

There's no divine law that says a person must be killed for not believing in a prophet.

Can you give me examples from Moses, David and Solomon where they killed people for not believing in their prophethood?

FxMasterz:


There's no divine law that says a person must be killed for not believing in a prophet.

Can you give me examples from Moses, David and Solomon where they killed people for not believing in their prophethood?

Lol.

No one was Killed for not believing in the Prophethood of the Arabian Prophet for if that were true no Jewish person will remain in Medina when he lived.

Jews came to him for adjudication. Jews formed alliances with him. No one was killed.

The story you posted of a woman being tied to a Camel is just a fabrication

Lukuluku69:


Lol.

No one was Killed for not believing in the Prophethood of the Arabian Prophet for if that were true no Jewish person will remain in Medina when he lived.

Jews came to him for adjudication. Jews formed alliances with him. No one was killed.

The story you posted of a woman being tied to a Camel is just a fabrication

Let me invite TenQ and Advocatejare for clarification.

I don't think the story was a fabrication. I think it's written in one of the hadiths you call sahih. And, Mohammed killed many Jews and even instructed that Jews and Christians should be pursued and killed.

I'm surprised that you first justified Mohammed's killings by saying Moses, David and Solomon did the same. Only for you to now turn around again to say the hadith was fabricated.

FxMasterz:


Let me invite TenQ and Advocatejare for clarification.

I don't think the story was a fabrication. I think it's written in one of the hadiths you call sahih. And, Mohammed killed many Jews and even instructed that Jews and Christians should be pursued and killed.

I'm surprised that you first justified Mohammed's killings by saying Moses, David and Solomon did the same. Only for you to now turn around again to say the hadith was fabricated.

They are fabrication.

When I alluded to killings, I was referring to the incident where it is said that The Prophet ordered the killing of a self confessed Adulterer.

Moses also had a man stoned to death on the order of Jehovah for breaking the Sabbath.

Moses went to War, Solomon did, David also warred. People were killed.

You guys would justify those killings because it was ordered by Jehovah but would shout blue murder when it was the Muslim and the Prophet seemingly doing the same thing.

If anyone were to be killed for not believing in Prophet Muhammad, it won't be just one woman for there were thousands of Jews in Medina who though waiting for the coming of a Prophet amongst the Flocks of Kedar in Tema (Medina) but never believed in Prophet Muhammad. Hundreds would have been killed if that was the case.

Lukuluku69:


They are fabrication.

When I alluded to killings, I was referring to the incident where it is said that The Prophet ordered the killing of a self confessed Adulterer.

Moses also had a man stoned to death on the order of Jehovah for breaking the Sabbath.

Moses went to War, Solomon did, David also warred. People were killed.

You guys would justify those killings because it was ordered by Jehovah but would shout blue murder when it was the Muslim and the Prophet seemingly doing the same thing.

If anyone were to be killed for not believing in Prophet Muhammad, it won't be just one woman for there were thousands of Jews in Medina who though waiting for the coming of a Prophet amongst the Flocks of Kedar in Tema (Medina) but never believed in Prophet Muhammad. Hundreds would have been killed if that was the case.

My friend. Moses first listened to God. God gave the judgment. Not Moses. This is different from the judgement Mohammed gave for a woman (not in adultery as in Moses' case) who rejected Mohammed's prophethood. There were many who rejected the prophethood of Moses in his days, Moses didn't order anyone to be killed.

Regarding the adulterers who were ordered by God to be stoned to death. There was first a law, then a warning of the consequences. The law was a constitution for the nation of Israel. Moses didn't bring religion like Mohammed did. Israel was a theocratic state. The laws were just the constitution of the land which helped in governing the land along the lines of God's rules in theocratic settings. It was not a religious setting per say.

I'm particularly about the woman Mohammed ordered to be killed. I'm not even talking about the other killings and the other bloods he shed.

FxMasterz:


My friend. Moses first listened to God. God gave the judgment. Not Moses. This is different from the judgement Mohammed gave for a woman (not in adultery as in Moses' case) who rejected Mohammed's prophethood. There were many who rejected the prophethood of Moses in his days, Moses didn't order anyone to be killed.

Regarding the adulterers who were ordered by God to be stoned to death. There was first a law, then a warning of the consequences. The law was a constitution for the nation of Israel. Moses didn't bring religion like Mohammed did. Israel was a theocratic state. The laws were just the constitution of the land which helped in governing the land along the lines of God's rules in theocratic settings. It was not a religious setting per say.

I'm particularly about the woman Mohammed ordered to be killed. I'm not even talking about the other killings and the other bloods he shed.

Sir, think.

Jews were in their hundreds in Yathrib, why only one was singled out for Death for her unbelief in Prophet Muhammad but others roam free?

It was a Fabrication.

Jehovah told Moses to have the Sabbath breaker stoned.

The Prophet had a self confessed Adulterer stoned.

Christian logic. The First Scenario is good because Jehovah ordered it.

The second scenario is wrong because Prophet Muhammad was involved yet Jehovah's Law says Stone the Adulterers.

Can you see how twisted your Judgment is?

Lukuluku69:


Sir, think.

Jews were in their hundreds in Yathrib, why only one was singled out for Death for her unbelief in Prophet Muhammad but others roam free?

It was a Fabrication.

Jehovah told Moses to have the Sabbath breaker stoned.

The Prophet had a self confessed Adulterer stoned.

Christian logic. The First Scenario is good because Jehovah ordered it.

The second scenario is wrong because Prophet Muhammad was involved yet Jehovah's Law says Stone the Adulterers.

Can you see how twisted your Judgment is?

Is Mohammed Allah? If Moses had ordered it, we would have condemned Moses. But Moses didn't, it was God who gave the order! Is Mohammed God that you're comparing Mohammed with Jehovah?

There was a mass murder of Jews by Mohammed. TenQ and Advocatejare should please help with the references. Mohammed sacked a whole Jewish town.

Look, Jehovah had physical punishment for people in the old testament when there was no promises of hell for evil doers.

After the Lord Jesus came, there is now Heaven and Hell. God no longer does physical punishment. That's one of the reasons why Jesus didn't apply the law of Moses for the woman caught in adultery. If Mohammed was indeed a continuation of the biblical prophetic order, he'll continue from where Jesus stopped. Not going back to Moses days when God has already earmarked Heaven and hell as places of rewards and condemnations respectively.

FxMasterz:


Is Mohammed Allah? If Moses had ordered it, we would have condemned Moses. But Moses didn't, it was God who gave the order! Is Mohammed God that you're comparing Mohammed with Jehovah?

There was a mass murder of Jews by Mohammed. TenQ and Advocatejare should please help with the references. Mohammed sacked a whole Jewish town.

Look, Jehovah had physical punishment for people in the old testament when there was no promises of hell for evil doers.

After the Lord Jesus came, there is now Heaven and Hell. God no longer does physical punishment. That's one of the reasons why Jesus didn't apply the law of Moses for the woman caught in adultery. If Mohammed was indeed a continuation of the biblical prophetic order, he'll continue from where Jesus stopped. Not going back to Moses days when God has already earmarked Heaven and hell as places of rewards and condemnations respectively.

Can you see the twisted logic already?

Jehovah says STONE ADULTERERS.

Jehovah also STATES that His Laws are ETERNAL/FOREVER.

Yet you blame and vilify the one that Carries out Jehovah Instructions and call him names and says he is from Satan yet you clap for the one who didn't carry out Jehovah Instructions.

Can you see you Christians twisted thinking and logic?

FxMasterz:


Is Mohammed Allah? If Moses had ordered it, we would have condemned Moses. But Moses didn't, it was God who gave the order! Is Mohammed God that you're comparing Mohammed with Jehovah?

There was a mass murder of Jews by Mohammed. TenQ and Advocatejare should please help with the references. Mohammed sacked a whole Jewish town.

Look, Jehovah had physical punishment for people in the old testament when there was no promises of hell for evil doers.

After the Lord Jesus came, there is now Heaven and Hell. God no longer does physical punishment. That's one of the reasons why Jesus didn't apply the law of Moses for the woman caught in adultery. If Mohammed was indeed a continuation of the biblical prophetic order, he'll continue from where Jesus stopped. Not going back to Moses days when God has already earmarked Heaven and hell as places of rewards and condemnations respectively.

Jesus did not condemned that women simply because his Mission was to herald the coming of God's Kingdom on earth.

He also told you that he did not come to change Moses Laws but rather fulfill it.

And if that were true, why then did he let the woman go?

Prophet Muhammad also obeyed that instruction by having that Adulterer stoned.

Do you know why?

He RULES A STATE by Divine Command whereas Jesus was under the Rulership of another. Had he command that woman stoned, the Romans would have arrested him!

Which was exactly what those Jewish Reprobates wanted!

FxMasterz:


Is Mohammed Allah? If Moses had ordered it, we would have condemned Moses. But Moses didn't, it was God who gave the order! Is Mohammed God that you're comparing Mohammed with Jehovah?

There was a mass murder of Jews by Mohammed. TenQ and Advocatejare should please help with the references. Mohammed sacked a whole Jewish town.

Look, Jehovah had physical punishment for people in the old testament when there was no promises of hell for evil doers.

After the Lord Jesus came, there is now Heaven and Hell. God no longer does physical punishment. That's one of the reasons why Jesus didn't apply the law of Moses for the woman caught in adultery. If Mohammed was indeed a continuation of the biblical prophetic order, he'll continue from where Jesus stopped. Not going back to Moses days when God has already earmarked Heaven and hell as places of rewards and condemnations respectively.

The "Mass" murder of Jews was the Kyber incident.

Research it on Wiki.

700 Fighting Men were executed and their Properties shared alongside women.

Research the incident.

Then come back and we talk about it.

KnownUnknown:


If you weren’t delusional you’d know that your analogy makes no sense. “This house we call world” my ass.

The greedy Hebrew bastards and their delusions don’t make “this world you call house” the possession of their god.

Is this world not housing us? See how you prove that God haters lack good reasoning?

Even, primary school children know this but your God hatefulness makes you empty of sense which is why it makes no sense to you

Lukuluku69:


They are fabrication.

When I alluded to killings, I was referring to the incident where it is said that The Prophet ordered the killing of a self confessed Adulterer.

Moses also had a man stoned to death on the order of Jehovah for breaking the Sabbath.

Moses went to War, Solomon did, David also warred. People were killed.

You guys would justify those killings because it was ordered by Jehovah but would shout blue murder when it was the Muslim and the Prophet seemingly doing the same thing.

If anyone were to be killed for not believing in Prophet Muhammad, it won't be just one woman for there were thousands of Jews in Medina who though waiting for the coming of a Prophet amongst the Flocks of Kedar in Tema (Medina) but never believed in Prophet Muhammad. Hundreds would have been killed if that was the case.

Was the man ALSO killed by stoning according to the law of Moses?

FxMasterz:


Let me invite TenQ and Advocatejare for clarification.

I don't think the story was a fabrication. I think it's written in one of the hadiths you call sahih. And, Mohammed killed many Jews and even instructed that Jews and Christians should be pursued and killed.

I'm surprised that you first justified Mohammed's killings by saying Moses, David and Solomon did the same. Only for you to now turn around again to say the hadith was fabricated.

Mohammed slaughtered 700 men and boys (with the tiniest pubic hair) because the Qurayza were rich and prosperous. They helped him dig the trenches for the battle of the trench which mohammed fought and won. They accused the Qurayza of Treachery which has not a single evidence as proof.

Clear References with proofs:
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Massacre_of_the_Banu_Qurayzah

From secular source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza

TenQ:

Mohammed slaughtered 700 men and boys (with the tiniest pubic hair) because the Qurayza were rich and prosperous. They helped him dig the trenches for the battle of the trench which mohammed fought and won. They accused the Qurayza of Treachery which has not a single evidence as proof.

Clear References with proofs:
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Massacre_of_the_Banu_Qurayzah

From secular source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza

Lukuluku69, please read and react.

Thank you TenQ for this input.

Lukuluku69:


The "Mass" murder of Jews was the Kyber incident.

Research it on Wiki.

700 Fighting Men were executed and their Properties shared alongside women.

Research the incident.

Then come back and we talk about it.

TenQ has provided references for which I called your attention. Honestly, even with the above defence you made, the prophethood of Mohammed is even more questionable.

According to TenQ, there are Clear References to mohammed's killings of Jews with proofs:
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Massacre_of_the_Banu_Qurayzah

From secular source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza

Lukuluku69:


Jesus did not condemned that women simply because his Mission was to herald the coming of God's Kingdom on earth.

He also told you that he did not come to change Moses Laws but rather fulfill it.

And if that were true, why then did he let the woman go?

Prophet Muhammad also obeyed that instruction by having that Adulterer stoned.

Do you know why?

He RULES A STATE by Divine Command whereas Jesus was under the Rulership of another. Had he command that woman stoned, the Romans would have arrested him!

Which was exactly what those Jewish Reprobates wanted!

You didn't get the passage at all.

The law is an everlasting law but the mode of its administration and its justice system is not everlasting. Thous shalt not commit adultery is still a law today. But how the the justice is administered has changed.

Jesus demonstrated it that sinful men cannot continue administering justice to fellow sinners. 'He who has no sin among you should cast the first stone."

Even Mohammed was a sinner. A sinner killing another sinner for the sins another sinner committed.

Jesus brought a new Covenant of grace. God gives rooms for repentance until a sinner's time is up on earth. Mohammed came and reverted to the laws of Moses without doing the deeds of Moses. He even fought against and massacred Moses' brethren.

Jesus didn't change the laws of Moses but fulfilled it by giving us the ability to the Holy Spirit to do the law without struggling.

See, the Jews didn't bring the woman to Jesus to put Him in problem with the Roman authority. Jesus was not the judge of the land, He was not the one who was supposed to order the woman to be stoned. It's the High priest. All Jesus had to do was to tell them to take her to the High Priest. The Jews didn't bring the woman to Jesus to bring Him against the Roman government but rather, she was brought to Jesus to so that He can come into conflict against the Jews. The Jews would be the first to stone Him if He had said nobody should touch the woman. The Pharisees knew that Jesus won't order the woman to be stoned. So, they wanted to bring Him in conflict with the Jewish population. Thank God for divine Wisdom which Jesus possessed immeasurably.

If you want to learn the Bible, turn to us as your Quran has instructed you. Except you know for sure that your Allah's instructions is not worth adhering to.

Lukuluku69:


Can you see the twisted logic already?

Jehovah says STONE ADULTERERS.

Jehovah also STATES that His Laws are ETERNAL/FOREVER.

Yet you blame and vilify the one that Carries out Jehovah Instructions and call him names and says he is from Satan yet you clap for the one who didn't carry out Jehovah Instructions.

Can you see you Christians twisted thinking and logic?

Mohammed was not a worshipper of Jehovah, was he? Jehovah has a son. Allah has none. There's clear difference between the two.

Jehovah established a new covenant through Jesus. Mohammed rejected it, took parts of the laws of Moses, and then added his own to form a new religion.

The commandments of Jehovah are everlasting commandments. But the mode of administering justice has changed.

The law was broght by Moses, but Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ.

Do.you mean to tell us that Mohammed understood Jesus more than the disciples of Jesus who were His direct proteges?

Veecruz:


Is this world not housing us? See how you prove that God haters lack good reasoning?

Even, primary school children know this but your God hatefulness makes you empty of sense which is why it makes no sense to you

If the world was housing you, you wouldn’t need to construct houses to live in. You morons think you can just misuse words like you do in your religion.

FxMasterz:


Mohammed was not a worshipper of Jehovah, was he? Jehovah has a son. Allah has none. There's clear difference between the two.

Jehovah established a new covenant through Jesus. Mohammed rejected it, took parts of the laws of Moses, and then added his own to form a new religion.

The commandments of Jehovah are everlasting commandments. But the mode of administering justice has changed.

The law was broght by Moses, but Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ.

Do.you mean to tell us that Mohammed understood Jesus more than the disciples of Jesus who were His direct proteges?

Lol

The same old story.

Keep the Faith though.

So, Jehovah delayed Grace till Jesus came? Lol

But made people lived thru his Laws pre Jesus time?

The Risibility of this Teaching alone.

Lol

FxMasterz:


You didn't get the passage at all.

The law is an everlasting law but the mode of its administration and its justice system is not everlasting. Thous shalt not commit adultery is still a law today. But how the the justice is administered has changed.

Jesus demonstrated it that sinful men cannot continue administering justice to fellow sinners. 'He who has no sin among you should cast the first stone."

Even Mohammed was a sinner. A sinner killing another sinner for the sins another sinner committed.

Jesus brought a new Covenant of grace. God gives rooms for repentance until a sinner's time is up on earth. Mohammed came and reverted to the laws of Moses without doing the deeds of Moses. He even fought against and massacred Moses' brethren.

Jesus didn't change the laws of Moses but fulfilled it by giving us the ability to the Holy Spirit to do the law without struggling.

See, the Jews didn't bring the woman to Jesus to put Him in problem with the Roman authority. Jesus was not the judge of the land, He was not the one who was supposed to order the woman to be stoned. It's the High priest. All Jesus had to do was to tell them to take her to the High Priest. The Jews didn't bring the woman to Jesus to bring Him against the Roman government but rather, she was brought to Jesus to so that He can come into conflict against the Jews. The Jews would be the first to stone Him if He had said nobody should touch the woman. The Pharisees knew that Jesus won't order the woman to be stoned. So, they wanted to bring Him in conflict with the Jewish population. Thank God for divine Wisdom which Jesus possessed immeasurably.

If you want to learn the Bible, turn to us as your Quran has instructed you. Except you know for sure that your Allah's instructions is not worth adhering to.

Simply, tell me how in your New Covenant how you handle

1. Adultery
2.Theft
3. Lying
4. Blasphemy

Sir, you have very little understanding of the Bible. Very little.

You see that woman was brought to Jesus to Test his adherence to God's Law and its applications.

Any True Prophet of God will apply the Law because any deviation attracts a Curse as stated in the Bible.

Asking Jesus if they should pay Tax is another Test from the Jews to him but your knowledge and understanding of the Bible and events are below par you won't understand any explanation on it.

Lukuluku69:


Simply, tell me how in your New Covenant how you handle

1. Adultery
2.Theft
3. Lying
4. Blasphemy

Sir, you have very little understanding of the Bible. Very little.

You see that woman was brought to Jesus to Test his adherence to God's Law and its applications.

Any True Prophet of God will apply the Law because any deviation attracts a Curse as stated in the Bible.

Asking Jesus if they should pay Tax is another Test from the Jews to him but your knowledge and understanding of the Bible and events are below par you won't understand any explanation on it.

Please are you telling me that the disciples of Jesus had little understanding of Jesus and that you know better than them?

Lukuluku69:


Lol

The same old story.

Keep the Faith though.

So, Jehovah delayed Grace till Jesus came? Lol

But made people lived thru his Laws pre Jesus time?

The Risibility of this Teaching alone.

Lol

If you'll like to know why He delayed grace please ask questions.

KnownUnknown:

If the world was housing you, you wouldn’t need to construct houses to live in. You morons think you can just misuse words like you do in your religion.

See it, now abuse has started all because you cannot deny nor coumter that no 2 or more landlords can command a house, forgetting that when you were smaller you used under tables and chairs and umbrellas to play house in the house housing you.

See how you prove that people who hate.God, lack sense?