TAO11:


Which Yoruba town in Yorubaland is of “Delta” origin?

I am curious.

Thanks.

Oro in Kwara State

Moblux:
Oro in Kwara State

Smh!

Anyway, now you’ve made a claim.

Is there any sort of evidence for this claim of yours?

Any evidence from the “Òró” people of “Kwara” where their oral traditions state that they are from “Delta”?

Of course there is no such thing, I’m only forcing you to wake up and see that you’re making stuffs up.

Cheers

Moblux:


I quite understand...the scientific (archaeological) evidence of oldest human activities of what is now known as Yoruba land is the skull found in Iho Eleru...some scholars believe that the migration to Ifẹ̀ bowl started from Ọba ( in Ondo State)...Prof Akintoye's book supports this view...s o there were many pre Odùduwà's Ilẹ̀ Ifè migrations at the formation of èlús scattered around the Ifẹ̀ bowl... what could have attracted people toward the bowl may be the richness of the land

What Professor Akintoye wrote is not correct as regard certain information on Iléifẹ history. Infact the Ọ̀bà history being circulated is absolutely false as it concerns ancient era.

The founder of Ọ̀bà,will shock to your bone that this city was founded by Ora ifẹ descendants. Verifying their most revered traditional ancestors pitch this tradition of ọ̀bà people to Obálúfọn.The same Ọ̀bálufọn is a paternal descendant of Ora.

You see, there are flaws in many of the oral accounts of Yoruba kingdoms simply because, everyone want association with Odùduwa dynasty. Unfortunately,this is partially wrong even if there are intermarriages between the principal lineages that came to be ifẹ groups, yet distinction still exists.

The dynasty being referred as pre Odùduwa era was not a unified system but a chosen rotational system which is rotated among the thirteen groups. These same thirteen groups came out from four set up even lesser than four if we probe further but not one source.

In proper set up, Odùduwa ancestors are distinct lineage from Ora mfẹ. Infact the name odùduwa is a copied or reincarnated one from the heavenly odùduwa in Ifa corpus who was without human birth that descended via chain-ẹ̀wọ̀n-Òogún. The proper place of Odùduwa ancestors land is called Obìrì in Owàra or Iwàra or Iwàran
Aptly posits as Owàragún or Iwàragun or IwàraÒogún. The pioneer Òogún, a mighty spirtual warrior established the household of Odùduwa in ancient Iléifẹ.

Ifá corpus mentioned this city as the city where overall king will come from when a particular being Orúnmìlà birthed his children who were eight in numbers and gave them names accordingly.

So putting Ọ̀bà affront of Yorùba history is a fabrication to suit some quarters,in just the manner that nearly all Ekitis kings claims Odùduwa paternal ancestry which is basically false because many of these Baalẹ turned kings are Oramfẹ paternal descendants and odùduwa families members maternal descendants.

In Ifá corpus, Éjìgbomẹ̀kun is a the major market being known and this market is linked to ancient Iléifẹ and Ọ̀bà is no where to be found among the earliest cities among the eight cities founded by Orúnmìlà descendants.


Cheers

TAO11:
Smh!

Anyway, now you’ve made a claim.

Is there any sort of evidence for this claim of yours?

Any evidence from the “Òró” people of “Kwara” where their oral traditions state that they are from “Delta”?

Of course there is no such thing, I’m only forcing you to wake up and see that you’re making stuffs up.

Cheers

I didn't make this up at all. I heard it from them.

Olu317:
What Professor Akintoye wrote is not correct as regard certain information on Iléifẹ history. Infact the Ọ̀bà history being circulated is absolutely false as it concerns ancient era.

The founder of Ọ̀bà,will shock to your bone that this city was founded by Ora ifẹ descendants. Verifying their most revered traditional ancestors pitch this tradition of ọ̀bà people to Obálúfọn.The same Ọ̀bálufọn is a paternal descendant of Ora.

You see, there are flaws in many of the oral accounts of Yoruba kingdoms simply because, everyone want association with Odùduwa dynasty. Unfortunately,this is partially wrong even if there are intermarriages between the principal lineages that came to be ifẹ groups, yet distinction still exists.

The dynasty being referred as pre Odùduwa era was not a unified system but a chosen rotational system which is rotated among the thirteen groups. These same thirteen groups came out from four set up even lesser than four if we probe further but not one source.

In proper set up, Odùduwa ancestors is a distinct lineage from Ora mfẹ. Infact the name odùduwa is a copied or reincarnated one from the heavenly odùduwa in Ifa corpus who was without human birth that descended via chain-ẹ̀wọ̀n-Òogún. The proper place of Odùduwa ancestors land is called Obìrì in Owàra or Iwàra or Iwàran
Aptly posits as Owàragún or Iwàragun or IwàraÒogún. The pioneer Òogún, a mighty spirtual warrior established the household of Odùduw. in ancient Iléifẹ.

Ifá corpus mentioned this city as the city where overall king will come from when a particular being Orúnmìlà birthed his children who were eight in numbers and gave them names accordingly.

So putting Ọ̀bà affront of Yorùba history is a fabrication to suit some quarters,in just the manner that nearly all Ekitis kings claims Odùduwa paternal ancestry which is basically false because many of these Baalẹ turned kings are Oramfẹ paternal descendants and odùduwa families members maternal descendants.

In Ifá corpus, Éjìgbomẹ̀kun is a the major market being known and this market is linked to ancient Iléifẹ and Ọ̀bà is no where to be found among the earliest cities among the eight cities founded by Orúnmìlà descendants.


Cheers

Thanks for this information. Why is it that the pre Odùduwà history is so much shrouded in secrecy? Is it that no one is bold enough let out the cat? At least there were rulers before Odùduwà...who were these rulers? Odùduwà has a father...what was his name?

TAO11:
Smh!

Anyway, now you’ve made a claim.

Is there any sort of evidence for this claim of yours?

Any evidence from the “Òró” people of “Kwara” where their oral traditions state that they are from “Delta”?

Of course there is no such thing, I’m only forcing you to wake up and see that you’re making stuffs up.

Cheers

I did my junior secondary at Òró grammar school.
yet I'v never heard anything like that.

r4bbit:

I did my junior secondary at Òró grammar school.
yet I'v never heard anything like that.

Okay

Where did Prof. Olupona get 101 kings from if Yoruba had only about 4 family heads unified by the king who took his name from Ifa as Oduduwa?

Oke Ora was supposed to be where Alias Oduduwa came from

Please explain.

Olu317:
What Professor Akintoye wrote is not correct as regard certain information on Iléifẹ history. Infact the Ọ̀bà history being circulated is absolutely false as it concerns ancient era.

The founder of Ọ̀bà,will shock to your bone that this city was founded by Ora ifẹ descendants. Verifying their most revered traditional ancestors pitch this tradition of ọ̀bà people to Obálúfọn.The same Ọ̀bálufọn is a paternal descendant of Ora.

You see, there are flaws in many of the oral accounts of Yoruba kingdoms simply because, everyone want association with Odùduwa dynasty. Unfortunately,this is partially wrong even if there are intermarriages between the principal lineages that came to be ifẹ groups, yet distinction still exists.

The dynasty being referred as pre Odùduwa era was not a unified system but a chosen rotational system which is rotated among the thirteen groups. These same thirteen groups came out from four set up even lesser than four if we probe further but not one source.

In proper set up, Odùduwa ancestors are distinct lineage from Ora mfẹ. Infact the name odùduwa is a copied or reincarnated one from the heavenly odùduwa in Ifa corpus who was without human birth that descended via chain-ẹ̀wọ̀n-Òogún. The proper place of Odùduwa ancestors land is called Obìrì in Owàra or Iwàra or Iwàran
Aptly posits as Owàragún or Iwàragun or IwàraÒogún. The pioneer Òogún, a mighty spirtual warrior established the household of Odùduwa in ancient Iléifẹ.

Ifá corpus mentioned this city as the city where overall king will come from when a particular being Orúnmìlà birthed his children who were eight in numbers and gave them names accordingly.

So putting Ọ̀bà affront of Yorùba history is a fabrication to suit some quarters,in just the manner that nearly all Ekitis kings claims Odùduwa paternal ancestry which is basically false because many of these Baalẹ turned kings are Oramfẹ paternal descendants and odùduwa families members maternal descendants.

In Ifá corpus, Éjìgbomẹ̀kun is a the major market being known and this market is linked to ancient Iléifẹ and Ọ̀bà is no where to be found among the earliest cities among the eight cities founded by Orúnmìlà descendants.


Cheers

Moblux:
I didn't make this up at all. I heard it from them.

I’m sorry to let you know that I know that you made it up. And why are you lying?

Saying you heard that from Òró in “Kwara” is another claim (a false one for that matter) which you also did not provide a single shred of evidence for.

Someone who lived at some point in “Òró” in “Kwara” have also confirmed that there is no such thing.

r4bbit:
I did my junior secondary at Òró grammar school.
yet I'v never heard anything like that.

Lastly, the YouTuber below was at “Òró” town and he or she has the information on the historical origins of Òró town to share with you — from timestamp 1:11.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBvYL3tBqZs

Cheers.

TAO11:

I’m sorry to let you know that I know that you made it up. And why are you lying?

Saying you heard that from Òró in “Kwara” is another claim (a false one for that matter) which you also did not provide a single shred of evidence for.

Someone who lived at some point in “Òró” in “Kwara” have also confirmed that there is no such thing.


Lastly, the YouTuber below was at “Òró” town and he or she has the information on the historical origins of Òró town to share with you — from timestamp 1:11.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBvYL3tBqZs

Cheers.

Thanks for providing insight on this...if you read why I open this thread you will notice I am just here to unlearn and learn...I am not assertive on that...I just made mention of that (in example) while responding to a statement made by someone ...I am grateful to you shedding light...thanks

Moblux:
Thanks for providing insight on this...if you read why I open this thread you will notice I am just here to unlearn and learn...I am not assertive on that...I just made mention of that (in example) while responding to a statement made by someone ...I am grateful to you shedding light...thanks

It’s okay.

I saw that “example” you made and I thought I should point it out that it was incorrect.

It’s good that you have now realized that that was not correct in any way, shape, or form.

You’re welcome.

Moblux:



Thanks for this information. Why is it that the pre Odùduwà history is so much shrouded in secrecy? Is it that no one is bold enough let out the cat? At least there were rulers before Odùduwà...who were these rulers? Odùduwà has a father...what was his name?

The Pre Oduduwa history is shrouded because people did not take ifa information to cognisance reason being that some families among these Yoruba setting manipulate ifa information for family glorification. Although some informations are scarce to lay hand on at this moment but the major ones of the families that made up ancient ifẹ are well known

This is where ifa information is being manipulated by these people while many other information remains. The misunderstanding of the role of the heavenly obatala, Orunmila, Ogun, eshu etc and fusion with earthly beings who took after these names.

Therefore, start up of these families lived interdependent of one and another but loosely with groups right and leaders of each groups at developing stages.

Oduduwa as a name is odudu iwa loosely described as odu ti o da iwa. The name oduduwa was a generic title which was his wealthy father's name who was the head group of his clan during obatala era; a man identified also with heavenly obatala.

It was during obatala era that rotation stopped as I had said. The oduduwa ọsin was also erí or érí or ẹrí. He was a cousin to obamerí. Infact obamerí lost his life during for supporting the
take over aided by Elus and Ifẹs ( 7 and 6 ) 13 setting in total inclusive the young oduduwa himself that made the young oduduwa became unified king. The Adé Are is absolute crown that crested for Òogún which Oduduwa wore as supreme crown.

laiperi:
Where did Prof. Olupona get 101 kings from if Yoruba had only about 4 family heads unified by the king who took his name from Ifa as Oduduwa?

Oke Ora was supposed to be where Alias Oduduwa came from

Please explain.

Hahaha, I do not know where Professor Olupona got his detail o.Baba Akinjogbin even mentioned that there were two kings during 46th king era which were prior to Obalufon II era.

Both Oral historians and research based fact have different views as relate to Ifẹ history. The fact is that Òogún own Adé Are being worn by Ooni of Oduduwa household ancestors and not Obatala or Ora ifẹ.

Ora ifẹ is the first settler and followed by Òogún. This is the reason Ora ifẹ is deified as the oldest in ifẹ historical account.

Olu317, thank you very much.

There was this article I cannot get hold of right now that logically claimed there must be Oduduwa Before Christ. It could not be the same Oduduwa from Ifa that came after Obatala and United the Yoruba.

I think the article was Yoruba World Exploration but I will read up on it again.

Olu317:
Hahaha, I do not know where Professor Olupona got his detail o.Baba Akinjogbin even mentioned that there were two kings during 46th king era which were prior to Obalufon II era.

Both Oral historians and research based fact have different views as relate to Ifẹ history. The fact is that Òogún own Adé Are being worn by Ooni of Oduduwa household ancestors and not Obatala or Ora ifẹ.

Ora ifẹ is the first settler and followed by Òogún. This is the reason Ora ifẹ is deified as the oldest in ifẹ historical account.

http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=2305

Oduduwa must have been here before Christ, going by parallel archeology of the Yoruba, Egypt, Greece and Rome with the history in the Bible or the Koran. Unless those before him were many centuries old before he was born! He traveled through the Nile river, spread Yoruba civilization and religion. Yoruba, named in Arabic writing noted them for their religion, before their present country brothers became aware of them. See Beginning of Ethnic Formation. During Oduduwa�s exploration, he had children Yoruba usually name AdeTokunbo, Omowale, Magbagbeile and others overseas. He was revered because his descendants were kingdom builders and they also unified the Yorubas. Oduduwa proved his Ife royal blood by displaying his crown, a book in verses and an obelisk. Zo Giwa mentioned these three items in his article.

laiperi:
Olu317, thank you very much.

There was this article I cannot get hold of right now that logically claimed there must be Oduduwa Before Christ. It could not be the same Oduduwa from Ifa that came after Obatala and United the Yoruba.

I think the article was Yoruba World Exploration but I will read up on it again.

Yes, the earthly Oduduwa existed before the era of Christ. The word Christ is not an ancient Hebrew words but Greeks which the name is traceable to ancient Egypt word.

Like I had said, article can be misleading because before now, most ifẹ families guided their historical account but false information made people to start telling stories about their ancestors so as to correct these anomalies.

Oduduwa , the man and not the heavenly being existed before Christ. Infact , Ogún the pioneer ancestor was not the overall or the unifier king nor the first oduduwa of the thirteen settlement but the younger ancestor who was made overall king.

Therefore, Ògún Ọlọ́jọ́ the pioneer and Oduduwa
are thousands of years ancestrally the ancestor of Òogún the father of Orànmiyàn was rebelled against and chased away from the throne before Orànmiyan came back.many years after, waged war and regained his ancestors throne. Lajamisan, the direct son of Oranmiyan is the occupier of the throne.

So, forget the false information being peddled by some born liars for self and family glorification. People hide to trample on truth but such falsification can never see the light of the day.


Cheers

TAO11:
Smh!

Anyway, now you’ve made a claim.

Is there any sort of evidence for this claim of yours?

Any evidence from the “Òró” people of “Kwara” where their oral traditions state that they are from “Delta”?

Of course there is no such thing, I’m only forcing you to wake up and see that you’re making stuffs up.

Cheers

Oro are Igbomina , they are from Ile Ife Originally And Alaafin ruled them for Centuries

Delta Bawo ?

Olu317:
Yes, Farooq is linked to Ibariba but not Ibariba are linked to Yorùbas. The same way Yorùbas have genetically link with white and Africans does not mean all white ordarkskins are Yorubas.

The Yorùbas you find in Ibariba were of different eras. There was a time when Elempe-Tapa-Nupe attack old Ọyọ́ and the Ọlọ́yọ́ of that era moved for safety with his people which led to dispersion. So finding Yorùbas within Ibariba enclave is the same as finding Yorùbas of Olukumi among Ìgbò speaking people in Aniocha environment.

Living in Ibariba land is no big deal. Infact, in around early 1800s Ojo Aburumaku , a descendants of Gaa went to Ilọ́rin to capture Afọnjà but he could not captured him because he was betrayed by the cowarriors who did not support the present Ọlọ́yọ́ at that time whose predecessor sent Afọnjà to attack a community under Iléifẹ which Afọnjà which was wrong and led to the fall of Ọyọ́ land.

After Ojo Aburumàkú saw this betrayal, he relocated to Ibariba land and lived there till he passed on. Beside, many Yorùbas moved to Ibariba land also apart from war because of the cordial relationship Yorùbas had with Ibariba people even intermarriages is known among them.

Many of these people claiming Ọyọ́ in Ibaribas are mostly, Alara descendants Aresa's, Ikoyi's,Igbọ̀n's Oje's etc. So, there is no doubt about Yorùbas in different places inclusive Ibariba.

There is a Claim that the Ogbomosho were originally Bariba who became Yorubanised over the Centuries

Basorun Gaa’s Great Grandfather was Bariba and his Oriki was said to Mention it

Soun Ogunlola the first King Of Ogbomosho was also said to be of Bariba descent

Christistruth00:




There is a Claim that the Ogbomosho were originally Bariba who became Yorubanised over the Centuries

Basorun Gaa’s Great Grandfather was Bariba and his Oriki was said to Mention it

Soun Ogunlola the first King Of Ogbomosho was also said to be of Bariba descent

Whatever people do posit does not matter but everyone cannot know one's history more than one's family.

Gaha or Gáà paternal ancestors were not Ibariba. So seeing some information that betrays Yoruba authentic history does not take away the fact of the real history.

On Sọun history, his name came as a result of his birth but called and named Ògúnlọ́là. And yes,the first ṣọun had an Ibariba father and Igbọ̀n mother; a princess.

The Husband was an Igbon warrior born at a village near the present LAUTECH, by an Ibariba father but with an Aresà woman, and he was named Ogunlola,

The daughter of Aresa Ikin got pregnant for Igbon warrior (Ibariba man) because of this reason the King (Aresa) rejected her.

Thereafter, Adio the Olúgbọn at that time kept her in his Palace until she gave birth to a boy, which was told to Aresa Ikin, but the King said both Son and the mother has been given to Olúgbọn. Let both be taken care of the younder" "Ati iya atomo, Ki wọ́n maa ṣọun ooo".
So the blood of Iresa, Igbon, Borgu and later Oje, became the Baale at Ogbomoso.

Olu317:
Wahtever people posit does not matter but everyone cannot know one's history more than one's family.

Gaha or Gáà paternal ancestors were not Ibariba. So seeing some information that betrays Yoruba authentic history does not take away the fact of the real history.

On Sọun history, his name was not Ṣọun but Ògúnlọ́là. And yes,the first ṣọun had an Ibariba father and Igbọ̀n mother; a princess.

Please where did you get the History from ?

christistruth01:


Please where did you get the History from ?

Authentic oral verified account. Ṣọun is not ọyọ́ or ọlọ́yọ́ descendants.

You didn't even allow me to edit the information I am posting to be well arranged before your response. .

Besides, the Olúgbọn, Aresà, Onikóyi, Ọlọ́yọ́ are cousins through the household of Oduduwa.

christistruth01:


Please where did you get the History from ?

From authentic Yoruba families source. .

Finally, the man identified as Oduduwa was the son of the wealthiest man in the land of Iwara/Iwaran known as Obiiri/Hobiri. This is the authentic name of his father.

Ifaodu, talks about it in Éjì Oyèkú: ..........
adifá fún oodùa lọjọ́ tí o nlọ nree jẹ oye ilé bábá rẹ, ní àwọ́n awo wọ́n pe kó ṣẹbọ kíó le gorí oye ilé bábá rẹ
o gbẹbọ
o rúbọ
kò pẹ́ kò jìnna
o jẹ oye ilé bábá
ṣábẹ lọ̀rọ̀
tí ògún lọ́fa
Njẹ́ á ṣígùn lọ ilú obirí
má b'awa lọ

Olu17 your information makes sense. Onikoyi and Aresa made it all the way to Eko or Lagos. What about Olugbon?

What is the Oriki of Olugbon, Aresa and Onikoyi, is it different or similar?

Olu317:
Authentic oral verified account. Ṣọun is not ọyọ́ or ọlọ́yọ́ descendants.

You didn't even allow me to edit the information I am posting to be well arranged before your response. .

Besides, the Olúgbọn, Aresà, Onikóyi, Ọlọ́yọ́ are cousins through the household of Oduduwa.

laiperi:
Olu17 your information makes sense. Onikoyi and Aresa made it all the way to Eko or Lagos. What about Olugbon?

What is the Oriki of Olugbon, Aresa and Onikoyi, is it different or similar?

Well if you believe it then know it is the truth.Although some people will come up with their own version about Oyo's false accounts. But fact is that Olugbon, Aresa , onikoyi and four others were born by Yeyesuse in Igbo Iwara ife.

Adelogbon founded Igbon....There was a saying in the ancient time,
" Olugbon n gbebo, yeye re n gba pese" Ba esua ,Oroloto, Aresa, baba okunoye, Aroni Ako, Olukoyi Omo Eru Ofa."

Let their descendants add inputs to their ancestors history. It is definite,they are here online.

Olu317,

Oh yes, some of them are here. But no one of them have been able to contradict your version of history. You know they are watching!

Olu317:
Well if you believe it then know it is the truth.Although some people will come up with their own version about Oyo's false accounts. But fact is that Olugbon, Aresa , onikoyi and four others were born by Yeyesuse in Igbo Iwara ife.

Adelogbon founded Igbon....There was a saying in the ancient time,
" Olugbon n gbebo, yeye re n gba pese" Ba esua ,Oroloto, Aresa, baba okunoye, Aroni Ako, Olukoyi Omo Eru Ofa."

Let their descendants add inputs to their ancestors history. It is definite,they are here online.

Olu317:
Well if you believe it then know it is the truth.Although some people will come up with their own version about Oyo's false accounts. But fact is that Olugbon, Aresa , onikoyi and four others were born by Yeyesuse in Igbo Iwara ife.

Adelogbon founded Igbon....There was a saying in the ancient time,
" Olugbon n gbebo, yeye re n gba pese" Ba esua ,Oroloto, Aresa, baba okunoye, Aroni Ako, Olukoyi Omo Eru Ofa."

Let their descendants add inputs to their ancestors history. It is definite,they are here online.

I am pretty curious about how Esu is described as ogiri Oko ( wall of Oko) in his oriki

TAO11:
Smh!

Anyway, now you’ve made a claim.

Is there any sort of evidence for this claim of yours?

Any evidence from the “Òró” people of “Kwara” where their oral traditions state that they are from “Delta”?

Of course there is no such thing, I’m only forcing you to wake up and see that you’re making stuffs up.

Cheers

Oduduwa is a mere mythical tales created by Samuel Johnson


Oduduwa existed as idol whom the ife people worship only
Oyo helped in the promotion of the idol and Samuel Johnson who is an Oyo man did the mythical writeups


Stop talking on myth

gregyboy:


Oduduwa is a mere mythical tales created by Samuel Johnson


Oduduwa existed as idol whom the ife people worship only
Oyo helped in the promotion of the idol and Samuel Johnson who is an Oyo man did the mythical writeups


Stop talking on myth

Myth?

Moblux:



Myth?

Yes myth you need prove

laiperi:
Olu317,

Oh yes, some of them are here. But no one of them have been able to contradict your version of history. You know they are watching!

Smiles...Yoruba people are admixture group of people from different background under ifaodu religion, which brought about the Yoruba language.

This is the reality but some people are bent on making Yoruba Race a darkskin affair, restricted to Nigeria.

I doff my hat to all blooded Yoruba who see this project of correcting the anomalies being spread wrongly by some Yoruba kings, non Yorubas and aswell.

Hopefully, we will get it right soon.

gregyboy:


Oduduwa is a mere mythical tales created by Samuel Johnson


Oduduwa existed as idol whom the ife people worship only
Oyo helped in the promotion of the idol and Samuel Johnson who is an Oyo man did the mythical writeups


Stop talking on myth

..
repartee statement as usual. Oduduwa was an heavenly name. Ovbie Edo

A earthly humanbeing was named as Oduduwa as others bore heavenly names also as some of still bears the heavenly name in present time.

If you lack the pedigree, I guess, you should pick up more interest in the veneration of oduduwa in ileife in the household of Òogún-Idi doo(idio)


Cheers