The issue of freedom will be found intertwined with every truly noble purpose.

One of the great apostles wrote, “where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty” (see II Corinthians 3:17).

A major question often asked is why did God have to allow Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in the garden of Eden when he has the power to stop them.

Cc
Lalasticlala, seun

The answer is Free Will.

In the very beginning, God established this principle when He planted the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden.

God told the man not to eat from it, but then He gave him the freedom to choose. He did not do this to cause the fall of man, but because there can be no true obedience unless there is freedom to disobey.

In the same way, there can be no true worship unless there is freedom not to worship. We cannot be who we were created to be without freedom.

We are free to do right or wrong, but we must also understand that our choices have consequences.

Men like to blame the evil in the world on God, but all evil is the result of choices men make. And for each evil we do we have a price to pay either directly or indirectly.

From the beginning God gave man the authority to rule over the earth, and nowhere do we see that He has taken it back. Consequences are required if there is to be responsibility, and without responsibility there can be no true authority.

For there to be free will there has to be responsibility for making choices. And I suspect that refusing to owe to this responsibility is a major reason Adam and Eve were exited from the garden.

So why didn't they die immediately after eating it?

What still amazes me till date is how the Whites brought Christianity to Africa and we today we know so much more than them. They didn't do or never did even 10% of what our pastors over here are doing..

chatinent:
So why didn't they die immediately after eating it?

Because God is a merciful God

chatinent:
So why didn't they die immediately after eating it?

Because God is a merciful God

ABIODUN105:
Because God is a merciful God

But they later died, does it mean he became merciless?

Why didn't they die at the spot when they ate the fruit?

ABIODUN105:
Because God is a merciful God

No! it's because Yahweh, the God you serve, is a liar!

I told Eve the truth while Yahweh lied to them. in the end I was proven right

Yahweh said they'd surely die if they eat from the tree of knowledge of good and Evil while I told them they won't surely die but would become like Yahweh himself if they eat it

now look what Yahweh said after discovering they've eaten that fruit in the book of genesis 3:22
And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

As you can see I was the only one that told the truth while the god you serve lied through his teeth like a crook

chatinent:


But they later died, does it mean he became merciless?

Why didn't they die at the spot when they are the fruit?

No that God is merciless. If Adam had apologize to God he wouldn't have died rather he was busy blaming eve for is actions

Luciferhimself:

No! it's because Yahweh, the God you serve, is a liar!

I told Eve the truth while Yahweh lied to them. in the end I was proven right

Yahweh said they'd surely die if they eat from the tree of knowledge of good and Evil while I told them they won't surely die but would become like Yahweh himself if they eat it

now look what Yahweh said after discovering they've eaten that fruit in the book of genesis 3:22
And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

As you can see I was the only one that told the truth while the god you serve lied through his teeth like a crook

Mr Luciferhimself please who is the first liar in the bible?

chatinent:


But they later died, does it mean he became merciless?

Why didn't they die at the spot when they are the fruit?

It was a test

Kalatium:

It was a test

God bless you and happy Sunday

ABIODUN105:
Mr Luciferhimself please who is the first liar in the bible?

Don't derail. this is a thread about Adam and Eve and I'm asserting your God lied to them while I told them the truth. face that and stop asking inane questions

ABIODUN105:
No that God is merciless. If Adam had apologize to God he wouldn't have died rather he was busy blaming eve for is actions

That's your argument?

Kalatium:

It was a test

Why did they later died from a test? Why do we also die?

What race were Adam and Eve?

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God and satan doesn't exist.





Know this and have peace of mind.

chatinent:


That's your argument?


Why did they later died from a test? What do we also die?

yes

Luciferhimself:


Don't derail. this is a thread about Adam and Eve and I'm asserting your God lied to them while I told them the truth. face that and stop asking inane questions

Am not derailing this thread the story we are talking about here 4 people were involved

(1)God
(2)Serpent(Lucifer)
(3)Adam
(4)Eve

That is the reason why I asked the question.

ABIODUN105:
yes


Am not derailing this thread the story we are talking about here 4 people were involved

(1)God
(2)Serpent(Lucifer)
(3)Adam
(4)Eve

That is the reason why I asked the question.

God did

Luciferhimself:


God did

Truly the blood of Lucifer flows through your vein

Here's What Nobody Told You About Adam And Eve - By Rabbi Manis Friedman. If you want to learn about GOD please listen to Jewish Rabbi like this Rabbi.

Quick preview: "02:44 just quickly a list of questions 02:48 number one god spoke to adam and said 02:50 don't eat from that tree 02:52 an hour later he ate from the tree is 02:55 there something wrong with god"

Full Transcript 00:00 the torah or what is called the bible 00:05 is a divine work 00:09 written by god dictated by god 00:12 and therefore it has multiple levels 00:16 multiple layers of meaning 00:20 and we can go on forever finding deeper 00:23 and richer insights and meaning 00:25 into the familiar stories and teachings 00:28 and commandments of the torah 00:33 a really good example is a story of adam 00:35 and eve 00:36 [Music] 00:37 everybody knows the story 00:40 [Music] 00:41 but here's the rest of the story 00:45 [Music] 00:46 the way it's read in its simple literal 00:49 meaning 00:50 god created adam and eve he put them in 00:54 the garden of eden 00:56 he said to them actually he said to adam 01:00 of all the trees you may eat the fruits 01:04 but the tree of knowledge of good and 01:06 evil you may not eat from it 01:09 for the day you eat from it you will die 01:16 according to the historians this was 01:20 nine 01:20 hours after they were created 01:24 in the garden of eden nine hours after 01:27 they were created they were told not to 01:29 eat from the tree of knowledge 01:32 well an hour later the tenth hour 01:35 they ate from the tree of knowledge 01:40 now god comes to adam and says you ate 01:42 from the tree i told you not to eat from 01:46 adam says she gave it to me and i ate it 01:51 like it's her fault 01:54 god says to eve to hava 01:58 what did you do she says the snake 02:03 the snake made me do it convinced me 02:07 tricked me 02:09 so god says okay because you did this 02:14 by the sweat of your brow will you make 02:16 bread 02:17 and you will give birth to children in 02:19 pain 02:21 the snake will be your enemy he will 02:23 bite you and you will 02:25 beat him anyway 02:29 okay that's the story 02:33 it has many moral lessons 02:37 but the facts of the story don't really 02:40 come together very well 02:44 just quickly a list of questions 02:48 number one god spoke to adam and said 02:50 don't eat from that tree 02:52 an hour later he ate from the tree is 02:55 there something wrong with god 02:59 is it what he's not not impressive 03:02 not convincing you can dismiss him an 03:05 hour later 03:07 [Music] 03:08 it's not like it's not like adam wasn't 03:11 sure that god meant him 03:14 you imagine adam saying are you talking 03:15 to me 03:19 yeah i'm talking to you there's nobody 03:21 else around 03:23 so god speaks to adam up close and 03:25 personal 03:26 and says don't do this and an hour later 03:29 he can do it 03:32 god is not very effective 03:36 something's wrong when god spoke to the 03:39 jewish people at mount sinai 03:41 everybody fainted 03:44 adam just dismisses it 03:49 and then question number two what's 03:52 wrong with adam 03:54 [Music] 03:55 he was created by god 03:57 [Music] 03:59 he had no birth traumas his mother 04:01 didn't 04:03 traumatize him in in in the toilet 04:06 training 04:07 he didn't have bad friends he didn't 04:09 grow up in a bad neighborhood 04:14 and he didn't have an evil inclination 04:17 that tempts you to sin he didn't have 04:20 that 04:21 what's wrong with him 04:26 then you find out that the tree was 04:28 actually a fig tree 04:30 come on how tempting is that 04:33 [Music] 04:40 irresistible 04:42 next question god says to adam the day 04:45 you eat from that tree you will die 04:48 was death a threat did it mean anything 04:51 to adam at all 04:53 he was nine hours old okay he had the 04:56 maturity of a 20 year old 04:58 but he was nine hours into life 05:01 did he already have a survival instinct 05:06 did he even know what death 05:09 nothing ever died 05:15 that's strange next question 05:20 what kind of a mixed message is it to 05:23 say don't eat from the tree for the day 05:25 you eat from it you'll die 05:28 there's a day when i will eat from it 05:33 see it doesn't say if you eat from it it 05:36 says the day 05:37 you eat from it you'll die confusing 05:44 next question god asks him you ate from 05:48 the tree i told you not to eat from he 05:50 blames her 05:53 this is too much corruption too quickly 05:57 he was already so corrupt that he can't 06:00 even be honest 06:02 that that doesn't say much for the human 06:05 race 06:09 and then she blames a snake 06:13 this is weird 06:16 then god says because you did this here 06:19 are the consequences 06:21 pain in childbirth by the sweat of your 06:23 brow whoa 06:24 whoa that was not the deal the deal was 06:28 the day you eat from it you'll die 06:32 now god is saying oh no no no not just 06:34 die 06:35 first you'll suffer then you'll die 06:38 like that bumper sticker life stinks 06:41 then you die 06:42 that was not the deal and you can't it's 06:46 not right 06:47 to add more punishment after the fact 06:53 the ultimate question is this 06:56 it's a discouraging story it's a 06:58 depressing story 07:00 why would the torah begin 07:04 i mean okay it happened 07:08 doesn't mean you have to tell me the 07:09 story right at the beginning of the 07:11 torah 07:14 because if a person who had no traumas 07:19 no bad friends no bad influences no evil 07:22 inclination 07:24 is given one commandment that he doesn't 07:26 last an hour 07:28 what chance do we have 07:32 it's not a good story to start the torah 07:34 with 07:37 so that's on one level 07:40 let's try another level back up a little 07:44 bit 07:45 where did adam and eve come from 07:49 they were created by god god fashioned 07:52 their body out of earth 07:53 and then breathed a soul into them 07:58 where was that soul 08:03 [Music] 08:05 so the story begins there were two souls 08:08 in heaven 08:10 a male and a female and god said to them 08:14 i'm going to send you down to the lowest 08:17 of all possible worlds 08:19 invest you into a physical body made out 08:22 of earth 08:24 and you're going to elevate that world 08:27 the lowest of all worlds 08:29 and make it holier and more godly than 08:32 heaven 08:33 yes they accepted the mission 08:38 now they open their eyes they're in the 08:41 garden of eden 08:43 god says to adam of all the trees you 08:45 may eat but not this one 08:48 now just picture them sitting there 08:52 puzzled 08:54 [Music] 08:55 we're supposed to fix this world elevate 08:58 it 08:59 [Music] 09:01 all the trees are kosher they don't need 09:03 elevating 09:05 there's one tree that is not so kosher 09:08 something's wrong with it 09:10 it needs fixing but we're not allowed to 09:13 eat it 09:16 so what are we doing here what happened 09:18 to our mission 09:19 where's our job 09:22 they were puzzled 09:26 and then adam said you know it's quite 09:29 confusing 09:31 did god god said not to eat it or did he 09:33 say someday you will eat it 09:36 because he said the day you eat from it 09:37 you'll die 09:43 eve said it's not a mixed message and 09:48 it's not confusing 09:50 god is asking us to choose make a choice 09:55 don't eat from it and live or 09:58 eat from it and die it's your choice 10:02 so adam said well that's a pretty simple 10:06 choice to make 10:07 let's not eat from it and live 10:11 eve said god wants us to eat from it 10:17 he's hoping we eat from it 10:21 and adam said how do you know that 10:25 she said because 10:29 our job is in the lowest world and this 10:32 is not the lowest world 10:36 there's a world in which people die 10:39 a world of mortality that's the lowest 10:42 world and that's where our job is 10:45 he wants us to eat from the tree and go 10:48 into the world of mortality 10:51 adam said you know god put us here can't 10:54 be a mistake 10:56 so if he puts us here he must want us 10:58 here 11:00 and eve said no that's not the way it 11:02 works 11:03 god takes you to where your job is 11:06 but you have to volunteer 11:10 to cross that border god will take you 11:13 to the threshold 11:14 but whether you enter that door or not 11:16 is up to you 11:18 he wants us to volunteer 11:23 adam said you know makes a lot of sense 11:26 and they ate from the tree 11:30 now god comes to adam and says you ate 11:32 from the tree i told you not to eat from 11:35 naturally we assume that god is shouting 11:38 he's angry and he's about to smite 11:40 somebody 11:45 that may be one interpretation but not 11:47 necessarily 11:50 god is not angry god is marveling 11:54 how did you know 11:57 i told you not to eat from it but you 11:59 understood 12:01 that i was hoping you would how did you 12:03 know that 12:06 being a new fresh pure innocent 12:10 soul adam said i didn't know 12:13 she knew 12:17 so god says to eve how did you know 12:22 she said you know what the snake told me 12:24 sounded like that's where our job would 12:26 be 12:27 the snake said when you eat from that 12:29 tree you will be like 12:30 god you will know good and evil well 12:33 good and evil 12:35 that needs fixing so god said that's 12:38 great 12:42 that's exactly what i meant by it's not 12:45 good for man to be alone 12:47 because adam would not have eaten from 12:48 the tree 12:52 so then god says let me tell you more 12:55 about this world that you're going down 12:57 to 12:59 it's a mortal world it also has pain 13:03 struggle disappointment it's an uphill 13:06 battle 13:07 it's the lowest world are you sure you 13:10 want to 13:11 try to fix it they said yes 13:14 if that's what you need done that's what 13:17 we will do 13:19 that's the story of adam and eve 13:23 quite different from the conventional 13:26 understanding 13:28 god was not angry they were not punished 13:32 because they never committed a sin 13:37 now we refer to that as the sin 13:41 of the tree of knowledge but the word 13:44 that we use 13:45 in hebrew is not really 13:49 translated as sin there are other words 13:53 for sin 13:55 the word which is how we describe the 13:58 action 13:59 in in the garden of eden the word 14:02 doesn't mean 14:03 sin the word hat means a step down 14:07 demoted they took a giant 14:11 step down but there was no violation 14:14 there was no sin there was nothing 14:17 malicious 14:18 there was nothing lustful it was 14:22 innocent and it was correct 14:25 but it was a step down 14:29 in fact when god said don't eat from 14:32 that tree 14:35 the day you eat from it you'll die he 14:37 wanted them 14:39 to eat from the tree then why did he say 14:42 don't 14:45 but to give them a choice but god can't 14:48 say a falsehood 14:51 when god said don't eat from the tree it 14:53 meant i don't want you to eat from the 14:55 tree 14:56 but he didn't want them to eat from the 14:57 tree 15:01 here's what you really really need to 15:03 know 15:06 god said don't eat from the tree 15:09 cause you're gonna die your children are 15:12 going to be imperfect 15:16 they won't know me 15:20 i don't want this to happen 15:23 but i'm hoping you do it because 15:26 otherwise 15:28 the vast eternal plan will never be 15:31 fulfilled 15:32 so god was saying i don't want you to do 15:36 this 15:38 but i need you to do this 15:42 like a king sending his army off to war 15:46 if he's a good king he doesn't want to 15:50 he hates it but 15:54 has to happen 15:55 [Music] 15:57 so when god said don't eat from the tree 16:00 he meant 16:01 i really don't want this to happen but i 16:04 hope you eat from the tree because it 16:06 has to happen 16:08 what does this tell us about god 16:14 he's not sitting up there in heaven 16:16 unaffected 16:17 invulnerable untouched by anything that 16:20 happens to us and he just watches us to 16:23 see when he should smite us 16:25 that's not that's not god 16:31 god made an investment in creation 16:37 like a man getting married 16:42 he has to make some sacrifices he has to 16:46 give up a lot of stuff 16:49 but how else is he going to have a soul 16:51 mate 16:53 [Music] 16:55 so god sacrifices 16:59 does things against his own will 17:03 goes out of his comfort zone 17:07 in order to have this creation which is 17:10 a relationship 17:13 and that's why everything we do is so 17:16 important to him so it touches him it 17:20 affects him 17:22 gives him pleasure gives him pain and 17:25 say how can god have pleasure how can 17:27 god have pain 17:30 yeah not the way we do our pleasure is 17:34 feeble 17:35 and our pain is pathetic 17:38 his pain is infinite 17:42 and his pleasure is eternal 17:46 of course he's more than us not less 17:51 but it's worth it if we do this 17:55 it will be worth it and that was eve's 17:58 wisdom 18:00 she understood this she heard 18:04 god adam was so impressed with god that 18:08 he didn't hear 18:10 he didn't hear it how was it that she 18:14 understood that they were not in the 18:16 lowest world and they had to volunteer 18:18 and he missed it he missed it because he 18:21 was so 18:22 overwhelmed by god's greatness 18:25 that he didn't hear god's 18:29 vulnerability she heard it 18:34 and thanks to her 18:38 we are busy all these years 18:42 elevating the world fixing the world 18:46 fighting the injustices setting things 18:49 right to the best of our ability 18:52 and she was confident that her children 18:54 will be able to do this 18:56 it's a huge compliment 19:00 so you see how a story can be viewed 19:03 on a simple level on a deeper level 19:07 on a profound level 19:13 every story in the torah is that way if 19:16 a story sounds 19:17 too conventional too too plain too 19:20 ordinary 19:21 banal you're not understanding it 19:25 we don't need god to come down to mount 19:27 sinai 19:28 to teach us things that even dr phil 19:30 could tell us 19:34 it's got to be more to a story in the 19:37 torah 19:38 than conventional wisdom 19:41 so dig deep 19:44 you'll find magnificence 19:50 how are you you know i do a lot of 19:53 talking 19:55 a lot of zooming many classes 19:58 many subjects but that's all 20:02 formal stuff 20:05 hopefully good stuff but formal we also 20:08 have a wednesday night 20:11 meeting that's more informal 20:16 and kind of um hamish 20:21 if you want to join us for that kind of 20:22 an event 20:25 um 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Kalatium:
The issue of freedom will be found intertwined with every truly noble purpose.

One of the great apostles wrote, “where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty” (see II Corinthians 3:17).

A major question often asked is why did God have to allow Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in the garden of Eden when he has the power to stop them.

Cc Lalasticlala, seun

The answer is Free Will.

In the very beginning, God established this principle when He planted the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden.

God told the man not to eat from it, but then He gave him the freedom to choose. He did not do this to cause the fall of man, but because there can be no true obedience unless there is freedom to disobey.

In the same way, there can be no true worship unless there is freedom not to worship. We cannot be who we were created to be without freedom.

We are free to do right or wrong, but we must also understand that our choices have consequences.

Men like to blame the evil in the world on God, but all evil is the result of choices men make. And for each evil we do we have a price to pay either directly or indirectly.

From the beginning God gave man the authority to rule over the earth, and nowhere do we see that He has taken it back. Consequences are required if there is to be responsibility, and without responsibility there can be no true authority.

For there to be free will there has to be responsibility for making choices. And I suspect that refusing to owe to this responsibility is a major reason Adam and Eve were exited from the garden.

Why God Allowed Adam And Eve To Err In The Garden?
Among other things, it is because of the moment of truth (MOT) test that God allowed Adam and Eve to err in the garden

The major reason behind why Adam and Eve were exited from the garden was because to prevent them from having access to the Tree of life, as eating the fruit of the Tree of Life in their fallen from the joy and grace degraded state will render them degenerates for perpetuity and that isnt God's plan for humanity or mankind

chatinent:
So why didn't they die immediately after eating it?

Genesis 3:4
Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die.

There is a sharp difference in meanings between surely and immediately.

'The day you eat of it, you will surely die', is what the text said. It didnt say 'they'll die immediately after eating it' Even the serpent repeated what God emphatically said, which is 'you'll surely die' or 'die, you certainly will die', or 'guarantee you, that you'll die' Take a pick from the variants

Adam and Eve after taking of the tree its fruit and eating, surely did become a living dead or even a walking dead, as Adam physically died at the age of 930 going by the evidence in Genesis 5:5. The moment and process of dying started from the time after eating of the fruit

Now its important to know that God is a Spirit, and human being too are spirits, albeit, they are, spirits housed in a human being body. Next thing to know is that sin causes separation from God, so the moment Adam and Eve sinned, it caused an instant spiritual disconnect from God, the detachment of the spirit with the Spirit was an instant spiritual death, that culminated with Adam eventually surely and physically dying 930 years later

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Adam and Eve were two independent souls in the garden of Eden, the only rule God gave them (tree of knowledge of good and evil) simply connotes the right to rule over one another or any other human afterwards. Genesis 2:17
According to God's word only God Himself has the sole right to rule over mankind.
If man should try it then there will be chaos leading them to killing one another {Ecclesiastes 4:1;8:9} and God will not permit such, that's why He told them that the very day they declined from seeing Him as their one and only ruler they will die.
Adam and Eve both died that same day but the only difference here is what a day means to those in the spirit realms differ from what it means here to humans.
To humans a day means twenty-four hours while a day in the spirit realms is equal to one thousand years of human counting! 2Peter 3:8
So to humans Adam and Eve supposed to died within 24 hours but from God's standpoint Adam and Eve will not survive 1,000 years from the moment they decide to rule over mankind. That's why both of them died in less than 1,000 year after eating from the forbidden fruit! Genesis 5:5
Afterwards no human lived up to 1,000 years {Genesis 5:27} rather mankind's lifespan has continued to decrease ever since then!

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

EnemyofGod22:
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God and satan doesn't exist.





Know this and have peace of mind.

Question stems from your moniker/Name..... Why are you an enemy of what does not exist?

1MILLIONLiGHTS:

Question stems from your moniker/Name..... Why are you an enemy of what does not exist?

Do you expect anything working as brains in the head of an atheist?

God is a perfect INSTRUCTOR FOR HE HAS DISCERNED THAT PARABLE FROM THAT OF JOSEPH AND MARY.

ABIODUN105:
Truly the blood of Lucifer flows through your vein

I am Lucifer

chatinent:
So why didn't they die immediately after eating it?

They did die immediately exactly as a virgin immediately dies when he/she starts fornicating.

ABIODUN105:
No that God is merciless. If Adam had apologize to God he wouldn't have died rather he was busy blaming eve for is actions

Actually it was God he blamed saying "it is the woman YOU gave me". Like blaming oga for giving you the official car you crashed. When he was cruising and driving no one with smiles no one heard his voice o.

ReacherSaidNoth:
What race were Adam and Eve?

Human race

EnemyofGod22:
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God and satan doesn't exist.





Know this and have peace of mind.

Words of a fool!

Kalatium:

It was a test

It was not! It is just a case of living in obedience to Law and command

Tokskob2008:
What still amazes me till date is how the Whites brought Christianity to Africa and we today we know so much more than them. They didn't do or never did even 10% of what our pastors over here are doing..

Just like they brought basketball, 100metres race, 419 and the blacks got better at it

Luciferhimself:


I am Lucifer

Lucifer I got some questions to ask you.

Why tempting our Lord Jesus Christ with mouth watering gift?