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Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Christistruth00: 1:59pm On Dec 28, 2021 |
Deadlytruth: According to Azikiwe , 6 Senior Officers from the East were skipped over in order to make Ojukwu the Governor of the Eastern Region Wellington Bassey Of Calabar was again the most Senior among them, he was about 10 years Ojukwus Senior Officer and about 20 years Ojukwus Senior in the Army Bassey and Ogundipe had both fought the 2nd world War, but Ogundipe had left after the War and re-enlisted to the Army 3 years later Wellington Bassey had Served as ADC to the Queen of England when she visited Nigeria in 1956 The Queen of England awarded Wellington Bassey an MBE for his Army Service 3 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Christistruth00: 2:14pm On Dec 28, 2021 |
Deadlytruth: After the Coup Ironsi embaraked on a Misinformation Campaign to Confuse People about his role in it 3 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Christistruth00: 2:25pm On Dec 28, 2021 |
Deadlytruth: After the Coup Ironsi embarked on a Misinformation Campaign to Cover up the True details of the Coup Read let “ Truth be told “ by David Muffet” Can you believe that Ojukwu was in Kaduna during the time Sardauna and Ademulegun and their wives were assassinated ? Col Sodeindes Wife even said she saw Ojukwu talking to Soldiers on Ademuleguns Staircase when she had gone to Report her Husbands death to Ademulegun She then hid herself because she found the scene to be very Suspicious Little did she know that Ademulegun himself and his wife had already been assassinated too The British declassified Papers also Confirmed that Ojukwu had returned to the Kano Battalion that he Commanded from Kaduna at 8 am on the Morning of the Coup Ambassador Fafowora in his book “ lest I forget “even went further to say that on. his way to London that day when the Plane stopped at Kano to pick passengers , Ojukwu and his Soldiers went on Board and arrested a man who they thought was Prime Minister Balewa’s brother What does that tell you? Ojukwu and Ironsi were part of the Coup 4 Likes
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Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(m): 3:58pm On Dec 28, 2021 |
gidgiddy: You are just pretending not to get the import of the whole argument. Let's look at it this way: Ironsi met a car in a good and perfect working condition. The car was being used by the public and no member of the public complained about it in any way.But he insisted the car was not working well and argued that the engine should be changed. The people told him they made the car themselves and was not having any problem whatsoever. But Ironsi went ahead and dismantled the car, replaced the engine with a bad one and the car began to malfunction. The people again asked him to remove the engine and replace it with the old one. He refused still. Then a section of the people killed him and replaced he himself with Gowon. Immediately, Gowon began trying to restore the previous engine to the car but kept on consulting the people who made the car for directives on how to reinstall the original engine correctly to enable the car work perfectly as before. This repair process was going on smoothly as the people who made the car were giving him the correct directives on the repair process. But somewhere along the line, Ojukwu came and began to ask that the whole car plus the engine be broken down completely and the parts thrown away in different directions. He threatened to do it himself if the people refused to pressure Gowon into doing his bidding. At this point it became necessary to fight off Ojukwu first and later return to continue with the repair of the car. So Gowon had to halt the repairs and on the people's directive make a few alterations which would make the car suitable to be used in fighting off Ojukwu successfully. Do you blame Gowon and the people for discontinuing with the repairs or the very Ojukwu who threatened to destroy the car completely should the repairs continue? At the point where Ojukwu began to threaten fire and brimstone the people had no choice other than to bow to any strategy that would successfully keep him in check. So the conclusion of the matter is that Gowon was only trying to repair a seriously damaged car but had to halt the process because of the need to first stave off another threat to the car as a whole, while Ironsi decided to damage the car when he met in perfectly working condition. So who between the two of them is really guilty of the fact that the car ended up being destroyed? 4 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by ebufa: 7:36pm On Dec 28, 2021 |
HedwigesMaduro: Ogbeni afonja owomida............minister of skull mining ! I greet you sir! blubber lipped loudmouth! 1 Like |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Igbokid: 8:41pm On Dec 28, 2021 |
ebufa:Mazi osu pig a.k.a onitsha head Bridge tout .. Minister of cannibalism and organ trafficking! I hail you sir.. More human meat in your egusi 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by DMerciful(m): 11:53pm On Dec 28, 2021 |
So you believe that someone can change Nigeria political and economic structure in 6 months such that what he did cannot be reversed? Deadlytruth: 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Idiko1: 12:03am On Dec 29, 2021 |
Deadlytruth: The above conjectures are completely idiotic and ignorant. Only in Africa in general and Nigeria in particular where silly opinions become gospel. 3 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Idiko1: 12:09am On Dec 29, 2021 |
Christistruth00: Please can you tell the reason Nigeria should grow with people of intellect such as you? Ojukwu was in Kano and cannot be in Kaduna when a mutiny is underway. Any military commander who vacates his/her HQ at the time of such military situation should be shot. 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by DMerciful(m): 12:20am On Dec 29, 2021 |
So Canada with provinces(regions), does each region have their own embassies in other countries? The United States individual states that have their own constitution and Supreme Court, do they have their own embassies? It was not a standard thing Awolowo did. christistruth01: 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by DMerciful(m): 12:23am On Dec 29, 2021 |
Nigeria has no region. Nw,NENC,SS SW,SE are unconstitutional! Deadlytruth: 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by gidgiddy: 1:50am On Dec 29, 2021 |
Deadlytruth: Look at what someone wrote, trying to defend the actions of Gowon. Every now and then he will open a thread and claim that Ironsi removed Regionalism in the 6 months he was in power, then defend Gowon's 9 years in power, in which time, Nigeria went from 4 Regions to 12 states. He wants everyone to believe that the problem of Nigeria was 6 months of Ironsi, but not the 9 years of Gowon. All those Northern officers who conspired to kick out Ironsi; Gowon, Murtala Mohammed, Babangida, Abacha and even the current President, Buhari, all conspired to subdivide Nigeria into the present 36 states it has, from the 4 Region's Ironsi had. All of this proves that Nigeria is not a nation and should disintegrate. If Ironsi's 6 months is the problem, and over 40 years of one Northerner or the other as head of state, in either military or civilian guise, could not rectify the problem, what are we doing together? Let stop this blame game from 55 years ago of Ironsi and admit we never moved forward. If we did, we would not be talking about Ironsi, we would be talking about how all military rulers were bad for us all. But even today, we have a former military ruler and one of those who removed Ironsi, as our President. Even him does not want to restructure Nigeria back to anything that existed during Ironsi's time or before Let us admit that Nigeria has failed. Let us conduct referendum, and let those who wish to be independent will go their way. 6 months of Ironsi, as the problem, in 61 years of Nigerias independence, simply makes no sense Lets all admit that Nigeria has never worked, no matter who was in power or what they did, and just agree to disintegrate 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Idiko1: 2:34am On Dec 29, 2021 |
Christistruth00: Wellington Umoh Bassey was not of Calabar and never Efik. Wellington Umoh Bassey was commissioned in 1953. He was NOT the ADC to Queen Elizabeth II of UK during her visit to the amalgamated territory of British in 1956. The ADC to the Queen Elizabeth II was Major Aguiyi Ironsi who was the only African with the rank of Major in the British African Frontier Force. Wellington Umoh Bassey was commissioned in 1953. However, Wellington Duke Bassey of Calabar who was Efik got commissioned in the 1949, the same year Ironsi, Ademelogun and Seyi, a Ghanaian, were commissioned. Unfortunately, Ugboma and Duke Bassey left Queen's Royal Regiment in 1953 before the amalgamated territory known as Nigeria gained independence. Ugboma and Duke Bassey were not members of Nigeria armed forces during or after 1960. Most Nigerians are deceitfully foolish and intellectually lazy. The goons cannot separate a person who was commissioned in 1953 and another who resigned his commission in the same year. It is completely idiotic to have a soldier stand in one rank for 12 years as the jackasses seemed to want us believe Wellington Umoh Bassey did. Umoh Bassey was commissioned in1953 and Ojukwu was commissioned in 1957 and backdated to 1955 with seniority. Bassey and Ojukwu were trained at Eaton Hall in UK. However, Ojukwu had a master's degree from Oxford and converted to regular infantry with loss of rank. Ojukwu would have outranked Umoh Bassey if he had remained as DSS. 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Idiko1: 2:53am On Dec 29, 2021 |
Christistruth00: Another crap posted by a lazy Nigerian. If the so-called Bassey was commissioned in 1946 as the junk would want us to believe, then Bassey was equally senior to Ugboma who was commissioned in 1948. What a goofy author. 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by ebufa: 4:33am On Dec 29, 2021 |
Igbokid: ofe mmanu creep! ndi owomida....jaguda in chief of mushin olosha! which is worse? your ugliness or your legendary treachery! 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(m): 4:34am On Dec 29, 2021 |
gidgiddy:You yourself know it deep down in your heart that If Ironsi never reneged on his oath of office but actually defended the 1963 constitution in those circumstances as he swore to, Nigeria wouldn't have taken the turn that led it to this failed state. Nigeria worked from Independence till the day Ironsi misadventured into politics. The person who introduced an evil into a system is usually blamed for the failure of that system. Adam introduced sin and we all who came after him became sinners committed far more terrible sins, but it is Adam and not us the bible blames for destroying Gods original plan for man. Tribalistic politics is one big problem today which we are all guilty of but if asked, you Igbos don't blame those of us who now do it but quickly blame Awolowo who, according to you people, introduced it. You don't ask why those who came After Awolowo couldn't correct it but even did worse. You exonerate those who carried tribalistic politics to new heights and keep hammering that Awolowo introduced it so he should take all the blame alone. Though Awolowo didn't actually introduce tribalistic politics or tribalism, Zik did. I only cited this issue to show that even you Igbos agree very much with the philosophy that a person who introduced an evil is actually to be held responsible for whatever damage that evil does to the society whether in the short or long term, but only that when it comes to the issue of the destruction of the original constitution of Nigeria you operate double standards and shy away from applying that same philosophy to Ironsi who introduced it obviously because he is Igbo like you. See yourselves? Why do you want Nigeria to blame Awolowo (assuming he introduced it) for the damage tribalistic politics has done to Nigeria rather than those who came after him and did worse in that act, but want Nigeria to blame the destruction of our original constitution on those who came after Ironsi and allegedly did worse as against the Ironsi himself who introduced the act of tampering with a truly people's constitution? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(m): 4:57am On Dec 29, 2021 |
DMerciful: Exactly! Likewise, the Old Regions became unconstitutional under Ironsi who had changed them to mere groups of provinces which was a new arrangement in his own unitary constitution. You made my day. Thank you. 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(m): 5:07am On Dec 29, 2021 |
Idiko1: Only among Igbos do you find people dismiss hard facts backed up with documental evidence without providing superior contrary facts. This national broadcast is documented in a gazzete in the national archives. They are not conjectures or opinions at all. If you want a link to the original copy of Ironsi's national broadcast as reproduced below, you will gladly be furnished with it except you are just one of the lazy ipobians who hate to read. 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(m): 5:18am On Dec 29, 2021 |
DMerciful:Then you are obviously not a Nigerian. If you knew the circumstances of mutual suspicion that led to the making of that structure in the first instance you wouldn't ask this question at all. If you and another person are heavily skeptical of each other and totally lack mutual trust and because of that you draw up a deed of agreement and both sign it, only for you to later uncover instances of violation of that deed by the other party, will you ever agree to work with that person under any kind of deed of agreement again? Wouldn't you believe that he is not trustworthy or disciplined enough to subject himself to any form of agreement? 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by DMerciful(m): 5:24am On Dec 29, 2021 |
Doesn't make sense that what Ironsi allegedly did was stucked to after just being in power for 6onths. Common, it's takes years to enforce an unpopular ideology. Even till today, many people still reject the thought of true federalism with resource control Deadlytruth: 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by joeyfire(m): 5:28am On Dec 29, 2021 |
Deadlytruth: this boy is obviously just here to troll 3 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(m): 5:42am On Dec 29, 2021 |
DMerciful: I have put up a simple analogy above for you but rather than answer yes or no you have chosen to still hammer on your question which made me give that analogy. Will you yourself as an individual believe in working under the guidance of an agreement with a person who you know has a reputation of easily reneging on the agreements he enters into? Are you aware that in 1978 an attempt was made to correct Ironsi's blunder when Obasanjo, as military HOS, gave the charge to Professor Nwabueze (the same man who advised Ironsi to impose unitary system on the country just 12 years earlier on) to, through the 1978 Constitutional Conference, come up with recommendation on necessary ammendment of the exclusive, concurrent and residual lists only for Nwabueze to further transfer more items from both the concurrent and residual lists to the exclusive list claiming he wanted national unity exactly as he did under Ironsi even though he had by virtue of the costly Biafra war and the plundering of the Niger Delta wealth by other regions come to see with his own eyes the danger in having a center too strong? If you want a link to the story in which he made this confession with his own mouth I will gladly furnish you with it here and now. 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by DMerciful(m): 5:46am On Dec 29, 2021 |
Your analogy does not make sense, not applicable to the situation. You cannot love what you hate. 6 months is not enough to do anything that would last for generations unless that's what the people wanted. I will not respond further Deadlytruth: 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(m): 5:47am On Dec 29, 2021 |
joeyfire: You obviously have no superior arguments to the poser I gave up there. Why do you want us to blame Awolowo for tribalistic politics and not Ironsi for the subversion of the 1963 constitution? Since when did what is good for the goose become bad for the gander? 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(m): 5:51am On Dec 29, 2021 |
DMerciful: I have put it to you that an attempt was made twelve years later to correct the blunder and Professor Nwabueze was chosen to do it believing that he, being endowed with hindsight of the danger of his actions under Ironsi, was in the best position and was most likely to do the reversal but unfortunately went ahead to further centralize powers just as he did under Ironsi. So who are you blaming for the retention of this unpopular ideology if not the very people who introduced it? Why did you shy away from addressing this fact in your last comment above? 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by joeyfire(m): 5:55am On Dec 29, 2021 |
Deadlytruth: This trash you typed has no bearing on your claim that Nigeria was working until Ironsi took over. 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(m): 7:13am On Dec 29, 2021 |
joeyfire: Then why are we all now asking for a restructuring back to the independence constitution which we operated until Ironsi appeared on the scene through the back door? Do you wish to go back to a constitution under which Nigeria was not working? Den nor give you your brain keep na. Why you nor dey use am at least small small? 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by joeyfire(m): 7:41am On Dec 29, 2021 |
Deadlytruth: This trash above has no bearing on this super nonsense below Deadlytruth: 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(m): 7:42am On Dec 29, 2021 |
joeyfire:Then you obviously attended a bush school in AfghanEASTern republic where you weren't taught comprehension. 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by joeyfire(m): 7:45am On Dec 29, 2021 |
Deadlytruth: Childish tribalist jabs don't impress me. You claim Nigeria was working but your proof is "we are asking for restructuring to those days" 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by joeyfire(m): 7:55am On Dec 29, 2021 |
Nigeria was working indeed as if we don't know thousands of people that were massacred in operation wetie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S0F_5ma4lM 2 Likes |
Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(m): 8:00am On Dec 29, 2021 |
joeyfire: You obviously have no use for logical reasoning. Haven't you ever heard that Nigeria was a net exporter back in those days with each region trying to outdo the two others in terms of infrastructural projects? Wasn't it before the coming of Ironsi you hear about Coco House, Western Nigeria TV, Western Region Investment Board, Eastern Region partnership with Israeli experts for certain industrial projects of large scale, Kano groundnut pyramids, tin mining in Jos, Coal mining in Enugu, Northern Region establishing five potential universities at the same time, ongoing development of 12% area of Sambisa forest for ranches thus the forestalling of this present menace of Fulani Herdsmen and Boko Haram occupancy of Sambisa, Ahmadu Bello's policy of incorporation of Western Education into the curriculums of Islamic schools to avoid radicalization of the products of such schools, local government police that gathered intelligence at the grassroots for the federal police thus keeping insecurity totally down, and lots more? Did you ever hear of any of these again sequel to Ironsi's arrival? Your responses here reveal that you are of the indomie generation. I usually don't engage indomie generation babies on discussions about Nigeria's political history because they bore the whole thing with their stubborn ignorance and keep asking stupid questions. 2 Likes |
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