Muslims have nothing to say about this. I mean their comments doesn't matter since their Koran firmly says that Jesus was just a prophet. This is for christians and bible scholars.

Note that in Genesis 18:12 Sarah called Abraham 'lord", it's the same Hebrew root word used for Jesus in psalm 110:1.

Of course, Jesus is far more than a prophet. He had a preexistence before coming into the world. He existed before David. Jesus was with God in the beginning before creation, he's divine.
He was called David son because he was born as a man through David's lineage.

God even created the universe through Jesus, so Jesus is lord over David.

ifiokjohn:
Have been reading the Bible and I came across psalm110 where King David made Reference to Two Lords. He said and I quote 'The LORD said to My Lord , sit thou at my hand until I make thing enemies thy footstool'. I went through what that means.
I got to know that in the Original hebrew of the psalm, The first "LORD"translate the Hebrew word Yahweh. GOD'S Convenant name. The second "Lord" translate the Hebrew word " ADONAI. A Title usually given to Yahweh in the old testament.

Now I'm asking this to understand who Jesus really is?. I remember Jesus asked the scribes this question. *if the Messiah is David's Son why then did David Call him Lord?" I'm still curious and want to know.

Because if that verse is true, it means Jesus is not just a prophet as our Muslim brothers will want us to believe.

I will like the Muslims to also contribute in this. Who is this Jesus that even a King Calls him "Lord". Not just Lord as in Lord. But a title that was reserve and used for Yahweh in the old testament. That is ADONAI.


Is this Jesus truly more than just a prophet?


Dear Muslims I need your reply to that verse and Jesus Question to the Scribes.

cornelboy:

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Typing..
Cos According to Christians he is the same as your God..
Some say he is both..some say he is a son..the term Lord is just a title to deceive gullible persons..

Ain't the Christians confused?

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Typing..
Cos According to Christians he is the same as your God..
Some say he is both..some say he is a son..the term Lord is just a title to deceive gullible persons..

Ain't the Christians confused?

ifiokjohn:
leave the Christians alone. I'm not here to banter with you if GOD exist or not or if Jesus is GOD. I'm here to ask a simple question... Why will David call his own grandson Lord ?

Abi just like the scribes didn't have any answer to the question when Jesus asked... You don't too?


Here is Jesus question to the scribes and I'm directing it to you too.

"If the Messiah is the son of David, why then did David call him Lord?"


For a whole king to call his own Son "Lord?"

Lol i don't think you understand my post or the bible at all. But let's reason together.

The psalm 110:1 verse is a prophecy. David never knew Jesus in person or went to heaven. But yet he prophesied bout it.

Acts of the Apostles 2:34-35 NLV
[34]For David himself never ascended into heaven, yet he said,
‘The lord said to my Lord,
    “Sit in the place of honor at my right hand
[35]until I humble your enemies,
    making them a footstool under your feet.”’

I'm telling you that the same Hebrew word translated to "lord" Sarah used for his husband is the same word used to refer to Jesus in psalm 110:1. Go do more research!

Was Jesus David's grandson? No bro! Who told you that? Jesus was born in David's lineage hundreds of years after David's death.

Read Mathew 1:1-17

Jesus was David's son cos he was born in his lineage. David is a direct ancestor of Jesus

ifiokjohn:
Note: the Lord David used for Christ is the Hebrew word for Adonai. Which in the old testament was used for Yahweh.

Also how can your own Father called you Lord? Now in Sarah case, he was her husband, the head of her so you might overlook it. But in David's case, how can he call his own grandson "Lord?". Even if it the Lord use by Sarah to refer to Abraham. It is wrong for a Father to call his own Son Lord. That son must be something.



By the way if you go through the Jewish meaning of that WORD, David was essentially calling Him ADONAI...which was a name used for GOD

ifiokjohn:
leave the Christians alone. I'm not here to banter with you if GOD exist or not or if Jesus is GOD. I'm here to ask a simple question... Why will David call his own grandson Lord ?

Abi just like the scribes didn't have any answer to the question when Jesus asked... You don't too?


Here is Jesus question to the scribes and I'm directing it to you too.

"If the Messiah is the son of David, why then did David call him Lord?"


For a whole king to call his own Son "Lord?" Come on, reason an Na.

cornelboy:
What's your own reasoning

cornelboy:

cornelboy:

FERNANDEZISBACK:

Cos according to Christians he's the king of Kings and lord of Lords..
Also cos he's the same as son ..God and holy spirit according to Christians..

ifiokjohn:
When has Christians ever called Christ theHoly Spirit? With all your supposed intelligence you're still to dull for you to claim Christians have ever called Christ the holy Spirit

ifiokjohn:
stil, why will David call someone he has never seen before His Lord. Meaning the person is above David.

Weather it is Sarah's way of calling Abraham Lord or the one that meant Adonai. The Question remains that why will David use that word or call the Messiah who is said to be his own son Lord?

ifiokjohn:
That Jesus isn't a prophet as the moslims will want us to believe

cornelboy:


Yes that's right Jesus is more than a prophet. He's God's son, the Christ?

cornelboy:
When did you start reading the bible?
Of course i told you that Jesus already existed before the creation of the world. YHWH created the universe through him.

Jesus was with the Father even before Adam was created. Is it not clear enough that Jesus is above David and Lord over him? It is clear bro but the moslims no want believe. I'm presently diggering with one in one group like that fa. Nigga no want gree lol

FERNANDEZISBACK:

Have you forgotten what you folks always say..?
God the Father the son and the holy Spirit..
Or am I getting it wrong somewhere..

ifiokjohn:
agreed. I remember one quote in the Bible Micah 5:2 where God was talking about the beginning of Christ being from eternity. But GOD has never spoken about any Prophet like that. So how can someone who has always existed be just a prophet?

cornelboy:


They believe the bible is corrupt. Pls don't argue fruitlessly with them.

Ask them this question: According to Koran all the prophets were sent with books just like Mohammed was sent with Koran, where are all the books today? Why no traces of them?

The books given to Abraham, Jesus, lot, Adam, Noah, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob et al...ask them where are those books?

They might say they were lost. Ask them why Koran wasn't lost. Mohammed is a scammer, he had some little knowledge of the Bible, he thought all the prophets and Jesus were given books. So he went ahead to forge his own book claiming it's from his God.

ifiokjohn:

From many of the Bible verses that talks about Christ it is shown this man beginning has been from before time eternity. And you want me to believe a person like that is only but an ordinary prophet. I laugh

FERNANDEZISBACK:

Have you forgotten what you folks always say..?
God the Father the son and the holy Spirit..
Or am I getting it wrong somewhere..

ifiokjohn:
Jesus is not GOD Almighty. Jesus is the Son of God. Read the book of REVELATION for More insight. U will be able to understand the differences.

The Holy spirit is the Spirit of GOD. He is the active force of GOD. Every miracles, prophecies, visions any prophet or person might have done is through the help of the Holy Spirit. It is only the Holy Spirit that can search deep inside of GOD.

Now to Christ. Christ Is the first born of all creation. Meaning before anything were created, Angels, thrones or power and dominion was created, Christ was first created. That's why according to Micah 5:2, GOD talks about Christ to the people of Bethlehem Ephratah that though they be little against the Thosaunds of Judah but they're by no means small. And out of them shall come forth Christ whose beginning is from Old. From everlasting.
And we see Christ in the Bible constantly hitting on that. One of the things he said and I quote "And now Father, glorify me in your presence with the Glory I had with you before the foundation of the world was laid".

From the above, we can see Jesus not just claiming GOD gave him glory, we can also see he is claiming Pre existence before the very foundation of the world was laid. The world is like billion of years old by the way.

We see from another example when Jesus told the scribes that "Before Abraham he was". Remember, Abraham as existed at least 1000 years before Christ so how can Christ have existed before Abraham? That's why the scribes told him, you're not even 40 yet and yet you claim to have existed before Abraham.


Now as to why Christians generally call Christ God. Although we have never ever called him The Almighty God.

Now remember in the Bible, Jesus explicitly claimed that All power and Authority in heaven and on Earth has been given to him. It means every power weather the one in heaven, on Earth or under the earth has been subjected to him. matt28:18.
Now we see an example of that as we look at the old testament, the book of Daniel.
Daniel vision about Christ in Daniel7:13. He said and I quote, "I saw in a night vision, and behold 'one like the Son of Man' came with theclouds of Heaven and came to the ancient of days, and they Brought him near before him. And there was given to him Dominion, glory and a kingdom, that every nations and language should serve him. and his kingdom will have no end. It's forever and ever.

Now from the above we can see why Christians call Christ God. When you have an authority over everything, you become a GOD.

Now we can also see in Revelation. When power was handed over to the Lamb. See Christ is the head of GOD Government and by virtue of that, he's a God.

Now why did you think Christ didn't rebuke Thomas when Thomas called him "His Lord and his God?". We know if that were to be very wrong Christ would have rebuked him fast fast. John20:28.

I hope to hear a reply from you. Cause from the old testament I still gatz more that talks about this Jesus who have always existed.

MaxInDHouse:


According to what God told Moses, Jesus is also a prophet:

I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name. Deuteronomy 18:18-19

Apostle Peter confirmed that the verse above is pointing to Jesus of Nazareth:

In fact, Moses said: ‘Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to whatever he tells you. Act 3:22

So what exactly makes the CHRIST much more than just a prophet?

Well it's simple!

All the prophets ever raised were selected due to the interest they had for pure worship but the CHRIST was born to establish pure worship.
All other prophets were born through reproduction process but the CHRIST has existed before Adam himself so he's not just an ordinary human.
All other prophets were looking forward to see the CHRIST but he himself is the image of the invisible God. In what way? All other prophets committed blunders in one way or another but Jesus perfected holiness.
That is why God made him the model for all men to follow, so that if anyone is able to imitate CHRIST such a person will be allowed to live forever! John 3:16 compare to Matthew 17:5

Now God never said that about anyone not even the angels in heaven! Hebrews 1:5

Thank you!

FERNANDEZISBACK:

Why remove Christ from Jesus?
Is he not the same Jesus Christ?
And why will you call Jesus God since you say he's not same as God..?

Here is your statement
"Now from the above we can see why Christians call Christ God. When you have an authority over everything, you become a GOD."
Why that way?he having an authority over everything now automatically makes him the same as your God or what?

ifiokjohn:
weather you call him Jesus or Christ na still same person you dey call. It doesn't matter.

Yes, Jesus is not same as GOD almighty because GOD almighty is his head just like he is the head of the Church. But nevertheless,he is a God or God because he has power and authority and dominion over all things forever. Like I showed you in Danie7:13. From there you can see that all nations will serve him and praise him forever. By virtue of that, won't you call that person a God?
Remember, Thomas called him His God and yet Jesus didn't rebuke him.
If you read the book of Revelation with your heart open. U can be able to learn more from there

FERNANDEZISBACK:

But you differentiated and separated Jesus from Christ tho..
Jesus and your God are indirectly the same then... since you saying he also can be referred to as a God..

FERNANDEZISBACK:

Why remove Christ from Jesus?
Is he not the same Jesus Christ?
And why will you call Jesus God since you say he's not same as God..?

Here is your statement
"Now from the above we can see why Christians call Christ God. When you have an authority over everything, you becomfe a GOD."
Why that way?he having an authority over everything now automatically makes him the same as your God or what?

ifiokjohn:
He is a God yes but not the same almighty GOD. almighty God is the head of Christ just like Christ is the head of the church.


Let me show you the book Revelation
This are creatures in heaven that fell with their face down and worshipped the Lamb (Jesus). If those creatures can do it or should do it. Why can't or shouldn't Christians?


Remember the part of the Bible(Hebrew 1:6)
"When God first brought his first born until the world, he said let every angels worship him."
In other words, God is autorizing that Christ be worshipped