1. Successful women takes away a man's previledge

2. Men have lower esteem and so are easily intimidated by ambitious women

3. Men will no longer be able to maltreat such women.

Now when a woman is successful and WITH US ALL BEING EQUAL, she never does what a man will do, instead she still want a man to chase her, marry her and then HE SHOULD AGREE TO HER TERMS

Datboredberri:
You made no sense... None whatsoever... I'm almost disappointed...

This made sense... You know it, I know it, we all do...




How are successful women beggars?



What terms? Kindly mention them?

budaatum:
Stop with the lopsided arguments!

Premiumwriter:
aren't you agreeing with my point already "a successful woman who knows what she wants and is not waiting for anyone to give it to her"

That's what successful men do. They know the kind of woman they want and they go after her.

Why then do successful women not chase after the kind of men they want but would rather that such men fall into their laps?

Datboredberri:
You made no sense... None whatsoever... I'm almost disappointed...

This made sense... You know it, I know it, we all do...




How are successful women beggars?



What terms? Kindly mention them?

Baitullah:
I beg to differ, but most women are naturally hypergamous. If she's wealthy, she'll be out to find that man that is weakthier (with exception of few).

Where she possesses those qualities than the man, such relationship may cease to exist. See the case of Tacha

Premiumwriter:
you are missing the point.

Successful men are choosers. Successful women are choosers.

But while the successful men will rather go and choose the kind of woman that they want, successful women will rather wait for the beggar men to choose her.

Both men and women can be beggars or choosers depending on their resources. If a woman sees herself as successful, then she must become a chooser and act like a chooser.

Premiumwriter:

Why then do successful women not chase after the kind of men they want but would rather that such men fall into their laps?

Baitullah:
I beg to differ, but most women are naturally hypergamous. If she's wealthy, she'll be out to find that man that is weakthier (with exception of few).

Where she possesses those qualities than the man, such relationship may cease to exist. See the case of Tacha

Premiumwriter:


Then it's no longer the man's fault if such a higher status man demands her to be submissive.

She could have chosen a lower status man who will be submissive to her.

And no tacha is not wealthy. Which business she De do?

budaatum:


Culture, unfortunately, makes most women not go after the man they want, though successful women do not wait for success to fall into their lap. If they did, they'd be lucky.

odinson1:


You literally said the same thing as the op

Baitullah:
Now when a woman is successful and WITH US ALL BEING EQUAL, she never does what a man will do, instead she still want a man to chase her, marry her and then HE SHOULD AGREE TO HER TERMS.

This takes away all the power from the man and still expect him to carry out his responsibility.[/b]

I didn't. Understand the bolded

Baitullah:
I beg to differ, but most women are naturally hypergamous. If she's wealthy, she'll be out to find that man that is weakthier (with exception of few).

Where she possesses those qualities than the man, such relationship may cease to exist. See the case of Tacha

Candidlady:
°°°°°trying to caution myself°°°°°



Lemme just sit back with my mari and camp and enjoy the comments





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Premiumwriter:
always with an excuse up the sleeve.

Maybe we should also blame culture and not men for them trying to avoid women which they perceive as richer than themselves?

Premiumwriter:


Then it's no longer the man's fault if such a higher status man demands her to be submissive.

She could have chosen a lower status man who will be submissive to her.

And no tacha is not wealthy. Which business she De do?

Premiumwriter:
Now when a woman is successful and WITH US ALL BEING EQUAL, she never does what a man will do, instead she still want a man to chase her, marry her and then HE SHOULD AGREE TO HER TERMS.

Rosulala:
Do you like night walk
What bra size are you using
Do you ever think about sex
Do you like something black and long
How do you cope at night without pulling off your bra
What's your favorite pant colour, ..i guess same colour is your pant

odinson1:


Bold of you to assume a woman would be able to catch up with your logic. Whenever it comes to arguments,it is always about what they "feel" at the present moment in time,and not what is really going on in reality.

You'd wonder if these people really have brains.

Baitullah:
I beg to differ, but most women are naturally hypergamous. If she's wealthy, she'll be out to find that man that is weakthier (with exception of few).

Where she possesses those qualities than the man, such relationship may cease to exist. See the case of Tacha

Magnoliaa:


You don begin to contradict yourself, by yourself. Shey you want to use social statistics and exception ba?

So can you give me a number of successful and how many of those successful women wait for a man to come pursue them, as opposed to those who sit and do nothing?

Even your general point gan na huge luggage and I'm not even going to attempt addressing it. Other thing is your use of sweeping terms without attempting to specify. Hallmarks of a successful woman. The qualities of a successful woman. What will you see in a woman for you to think she's successful?

Sha let's go along with the general notion of success. There are chances that a woman who has achieved a reasonable level of achievement and progress in her career or education is assertive more often than not. She might not DIRECTLY say to a man, 'I want to marry you', but ko si niii, she'll go for what she wants. The how is plenty. She could drop her card; invite him for a date; strike a conversation or common point of rapport with him. For successful women too, a sizable number of them would have gone through a mental growth and reevaluation, a shedding of of old beliefs, gender-specific and -limiting beliefs, more liberally minded. All these put together make a woman more out there, more go-getting, and knowing what she wants.

So, I'm saying it is not entirely true on your part to claim successful women do not go for what they want.

You don't have to be aggressively harassing before we go know say you like this babe or bobo.

So if that is the picture you have of 'going for what' - the above, sorry, foulllll. Fail. Wrong. That is what men usually do, and in their minds, them think say dem dey chyke. Add to that fact that the majority of women are groomed for marriages and waiting to be picked, then you have more ''successes'' of men getting women - without the best or hardest effort.

You know, I want to go to Harvard and the former VC of Harvard comes to me that: 'Mag, as someone with influence, I wan help you slip inside Harvard.' Of course, I go rush grab am, cling onto the opportunity, when the man put in very LITTTTLE effort and simply told me a line. I don't need convincing because it was what I wanted.

That is the same thing with men going after ladies, hunting them, asking for their hands in marriage.

So now, imagine if my mind was actually on Oxford (as a man), and Harvard (a successful woman) approaches me, throws green light, cajoled... of course, I wouldn't be inclined to accepting Harvard's advances.

Men do not expect women to ask them out, most of them anyway, so, of course when a successful, 'big' lady come for them, it rarely result in success. Men believe they are supposed to be the heads, are assertive - whether this is social or natural - psssh, how do you expect them to accept and be comfortable with such WHEN, WHEN, WHEN that kind of woman comes for them?

So you erroneously think the subset of successful women don't go for men, and then you neglect the perception of men about relationship dynamics...

budaatum:


You could, if you want to. Fact is, men are not having it all their way anymore. If you slack off you're out poor sod, and another will easily take your place.

Magnoliaa:



Thank youuuuuuuu.

Ehennn. I go agree with you here!

I go agree with you for the sake of this argument. I am currently wearing my strap-on and speaking on behalf of redpillers...

Redpillers will always claim women are hypergamous. So abeg, OP, or anywan wey dey available fit help me reconcile that fact to the point of the OP that 'successful' women or women do not go for what they want??

How you fit claim, as a redpiller, say women are hypergamous and control the dating scene by their acceptance or refusal, yet believe women are rocks that do absolutely nothing to pursue a man of their desires?

Premiumwriter:
Men have never had it their way before.

Premiumwriter:


Let me sum this up for you: if you are successful as a lady or see yourself as such, then you must actively pick the man you want, chase after him and not complain that men are not coming after you because they are scared of your success.

You must go after the men.

Same way as a man who sees himself as successful goes after the ladies and not wait around complaining that ladies do not come to him because they are afraid of success.

Magnoliaa:


Toorr. Now you dey give general advice? Why con conclude for first before before that SUCCESSFUL women no dey go for watin dey want?

I have just given you a few of the dynamics that play out... yes, I agree the pool is filled with submissive women and what not, I agree the pool is filled with the kind of ladies men man. So, look, our argument don for into each other.

If MORE men are attracted to submissive, dependent, generally unsuccessful women, then it logically follows when the 'unwanted' successful women claim men aren't attracted to then for various reasons.

Stop mixing your premise(s).

Men have a larger pool to pick from. Check.
Successful women are not usually in that pool. Check.
Since most men want from a pool that a successful woman do not fit into, then a successful woman's pool is limited. Check.
Now, your kindly, generous, brotherly, friendly advice that a successful woman should find men from her limited pool, outside of the general men pool. Cheeeck.

Mo towo towo gba.

So such woman 'complaining' or simply sharing her experiences in the dating world DOES NOT say that she doesn't approach men.

And I'm not even saying there aren't successful women who ''sit down'' (blehhh, hard to believe), but sha, na why I ask say make we compare the number of successful women who approach men and the number of successful women who do not approach men.

Now, my bias and subjective opinion is more successful women, with all the accompanying attributes they possess, shoot their shots at guys. In different ways.