VOICEofORIENTAL:
I really don't know how the world would be without the US, West & Israel?

May be the Soviet Union or China would have colonized us,or the Arabians?... that means no Christianity, only Hindu, Buddha, atheist, Islam & traditional worshipers.

At least Nigeria is a product of the west:

Although Nigeria is at a crossroad with nothing working in the Union called Nigeria, do we then blame the west for Nigeria's wahala?

Irrespective of how one feels I'm of the opinion that Nigerians are the problem of Nigeria...at the least when the British left us we had many working institutions & infrastructure: our refineries, railways, telecommunication,water board etc.

Some people said that the Russians & Chinese didn't colonize anyone, that the dou are better than the west.That the west colonized, enslaved & stoled our resources.

So my question is without the west who would have discovered us?.. How do you think the world would have been without the US & the west?

VOICEofORIENTAL:

So my question is without the west who would have discovered us?..

DeathToAfonja:
Stop imagining things


What have happened has happened


China also had their shortcomings from Japan yet they bounced back and look at them today


Nigeria's in particular is Nigerian problem


Almost every Nigerian is a tribalist and we hate each other so much that they can never be room for progress


Nigeria is a one big huge scam



Hear this and hear it today


Nigerian can never progress as long as we're together


It is the hard truth


The only way Nigeria can actually progress is if she becomes colonized again by someone who doesn't checklist your tribes or background before bringing development to your community


We're doomed and it's fact

ayindejimmy:



If I open the book of countries Russia and China invaded and colonised, you'll forget about those trash taking the west.

The thing is that Russia and China can't come to Africa then because they aren't as strong as those already colonising Africa then. But they showed countries in their regions sege!

I prefer a US as world power to the likes of Russia and China

ayindejimmy:



If I open the book of countries Russia and China invaded and colonised, you'll forget about those trash taking the west.

The thing is that Russia and China can't come to Africa then because they aren't as strong as those already colonising Africa then. But they showed countries in their regions sege!

I prefer a US as world power to the likes of Russia and China

ayindejimmy:



If I open the book of countries Russia and China invaded and colonised, you'll forget about those trash taking the west.

The thing is that Russia and China can't come to Africa then because they aren't as strong as those already colonising Africa then. But they showed countries in their regions sege!

I prefer a US as world power to the likes of Russia and China

Botlord:

Maybe you should open the book, it's not hard to notice the talk of an ignorant mofo.

Imagine saying Russia is not strong to colonize Africa. Most peep here need to read history.

Before quoting me, I want you to know Russia is the only European country that did not attend Berlin conference.
Let me stop here..

VOICEofORIENTAL:
My dear, the matter just tire me.How can a reasonable person be supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine?.. many cooked up unverifiable stories against the west.

A world without the West would be wahala... The Christian missionaries that came to Nigeria,came with the gospel of CHRIST, school & hospitals.

They brought slave trade, they also abolished it.. they also abolished the killing of twins in southern Nigeria.

Botlord:

Maybe you should open the book, it's not hard to notice the talk of an ignorant mofo.

Imagine saying Russia is not strong to colonize Africa. Most peep here need to read history.

Before quoting me, I want you to know Russia is the only European country that did not attend Berlin conference.

Let me stop here..

989900:


Touché!!!

Now, the part I can't wrap my head around is, if given an opportunity to choose between citizenship or residency of say Canada, US, UK, Australia, etc. Vs same of countries like Russia, China, etc. those same mofos supporting Russia and gang would opt for residency/citizenship of a western country -- even citizens of China, Iran, Russia, Saudi, etc. covet either citizenship of the west or education for themselves/offsprings!

I've never used any Russian product despite my sojourn across a number of countries/continents (a 2002 transit in Moscow DME inclusive), and I do not know of any friend or relative that can point to any "substantial" Russian product he/she uses, bar the ones that live in Russia.

Show these deluded folks a car, a mobile phone, clothing, any product from the west vs one from China -- we know their leaning -- they even disparage "chinko" products, but once it's about this empty bragging and specious hatred for the west, their brain gets vacuumed!



This kinda of hypocrisy is on meth!

989900:


In furtherance, as very, very, bad as slave trade was, our forefathers were selling their brothers as slaves before the white men came.

And when the white men came, it was still same black men that were chasing and capturing fellow blacks to be sold to white men!

Arabs still slave trade fellow Arabs today.

North Africans were raiding the southern coast of Europe and their hinterlands capturing slaves hundreds of years back too.

Today in modern Nigeria, Nigerians kidnap for ransom or kill for body parts fellow Nigerians like them (regardless of tribe/religion) for less than ₦100,000 . . . this is just to put the evil in men generally into context.

ayindejimmy:




You can't hold a debate devoid of insult. Well, I won't play in the mud with you .
Contrary to popular opinions, Russia did attend the Berlin Conference. They attended to secure a pathway to Africa for biz and not to share the spoils.
Russia did not struggle to colonise Africa because:
1. If you have good knowledge of Europe's map you'll know GB, France, Spain and Portugal are closer to Africa. Russia would have to go thru all those countries. To do that, they have to overpower them all.
2. Russia was more focus on subjugating it's neighbours rather than a faraway region with lots of uncertainties.
3. There was not much to gain from Africa then and the journey would be quite expensive and tedious.
4. The other route they could take is longer and would mean confrontation with the Chinese.
5. Another reason, they already had Siberia which was vast and largely unpopulated, why risk coming to Africa?

Let's say GB is where Russia is, Britain wouldn't have to colonise Africans too. Or do we have any Asian countries as colonial master?

All these are simple facts that any reasonable person would have figured out but obviously, you aren't the type.

If you want to see all the counties Russia had invaded and colonised, just check Google. That can't be too difficult, can it?

VOICEofORIENTAL:
My dear, the matter just tire me.How can a reasonable person be supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine?.. many cooked up unverifiable stories against the west.

A world without the West would be wahala... The Christian missionaries that came to Nigeria,came with the gospel of CHRIST, school & hospitals.

They brought slave trade, they also abolished it.. they also abolished the killing of twins in southern Nigeria.

VOICEofORIENTAL:
You can contribute or correct someone without abusive word.
If truely the Russians were adventurous & strong, why didn't they come to Africa?

Please, educate me more on this Berlin conference.

989900:


Touché!!!

Now, the part I can't wrap my head around is, if given an opportunity to choose between citizenship or residency of say Canada, US, UK, Australia, etc. Vs same of countries like Russia, China, etc. those same mofos supporting Russia and gang would opt for residency/citizenship of a western country -- even citizens of China, Iran, Russia, Saudi, etc. covet either citizenship of the west or education for themselves/offsprings!

I've never used any Russian product despite my sojourn across a number of countries/continents (a 2002 transit in Moscow DME inclusive), and I do not know of any friend or relative that can point to any "substantial" Russian product he/she uses, bar the ones that live in Russia.

Show these deluded folks a car, a mobile phone, clothing, any product from the west vs one from China -- we know their leaning -- they even disparage "chinko" products, but once it's about this empty bragging and specious hatred for the west, their brain gets vacuumed!



This kinda of hypocrisy is on meth!

chronique:


You know why most people would actually prefer the citizenship of those countries you mentioned to Russia or China? Language barrier is the major issue. Personally for me, I have never been too thrilled about living in the US for so many reasons. Gun violence and the fact that someone can just pull a trigger on another person and kill the person, is a big worry for me. More so, their recent agenda of pushing gay rights to the forefront and wanting to impose those beliefs on people who reject it, is another issue. I have more than 10 family members living there as we speak. Look at a country like France, very few Nigerians migrate there simply because of language barrier too. Same thing goes for a lot of European countries. That's the main reason why you would find more people wanting to go to the US, Canada, UK.

989900:


Language barrier is less than 5% . . .

It's more about:

Job opportunities (major)

Pathway to residency/citizenship (major)

Security

Education

Generational integration and opportunities.(major)

Freedom of speech.

Freedom of association

Fundamental human rights (major).

All the above bar security (which is obtainable elsewhere) are why people shun the east for the west.

The west doesn't mean US only.

There are roughly 100,000 Nigerians in Germany, another roughly 100,000 in Italy, compared to less than 30,0000 Nigerians in Russia and China combined . . . language is not a major barrier.

English is widely spoken in a good number of non-english speaking countries lately, from Vietnam, to China to Bulgaria to Russia to Colombia to UAE, Saudi, etc. . . . even Putin speaks English with a tint of British accent even though he tries to hide it.

If China were as liberal as Canada and with Job opportunities, you will find millions of Nigerians trying to learn Mandarin, Cantonese or something.

Botlord:

Maybe you should open the book, it's not hard to notice the talk of an ignorant mofo.

Imagine saying Russia is not strong to colonize Africa. Most peep here need to read history.

Before quoting me, I want you to know Russia is the only European country that did not attend Berlin conference.

Let me stop here..

ayindejimmy:



If I open the book of countries Russia and China invaded and colonised, you'll forget about those trash taking the west.

The thing is that Russia and China can't come to Africa then because they aren't as strong as those already colonising Africa then. But they showed countries in their regions sege!

I prefer a US as world power to the likes of Russia and China

chronique:


Your ignorance has not allowed you research the main religion in Russia which is the Russian orthodoxy which is similar to the orthodox Christianity that was practiced in Nigeria before the modern pentecostal movement took over. There are still a few orthodox churches in Nigeria as at today. Your assumption that there would be no Christianity in Nigeria and other parts of the world if Russia had colonized them is simply borne out of sheer ignorance.

Botlord:

I'm really sorry if I sound abusive, but I believe the Berlin conference should be a basic knowledge for an African.

Google would give you broader view about the conference, just know one thing "Berlin conference is where all these powerful European nation share Africa among themselves.

Russia were strong then (even smaller European nations have colonies in Africa) but abstain from colonizing Africa.

There are many things that need to be wrote here but it'll require time, nairaland need to have VN space.

989900:


Russia wasn't strong enough to hold colonies in Africa at the time, they were busy annexing weaker territories in much of Europe and Asia at the time -- same thing "Putler" is trying to do now.

Russia always had a few bigger regional or world powers to contend with: Roman, Byzantine, Ottoman, etc.

At around late 19th century, Russia tried colonizing a part of Africa: City of Sagallo (part of modern day Djibouti), but a 3 day ultimatum and some shelling from France who were a bigger regional power at the time was all it took Russia to scamper back to their comfort zone.

sapientia:
Without USA, the answer is simple