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National Grid Collapse Is Over a Month Now by LordFaraday(m): 5:56pm On Mar 27, 2022
The national grid collapse is over a month now and everyone seems to be silenced about it. This has never happened in the history of the country before.

Have the APC government charmed all Nigerians to just remain silent or what. I seems not to understand. It seems like an horror movie. Or someone should pls wake me up from this nightmare. undecided cry
Re: National Grid Collapse Is Over a Month Now by LLiKYekoba: 5:57pm On Mar 27, 2022
In Japan it would be fixed in a week.

One naijeriyya till una get sense. grin

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Re: National Grid Collapse Is Over a Month Now by Nackzy: 5:59pm On Mar 27, 2022
Lol
Re: National Grid Collapse Is Over a Month Now by Nackzy: 6:01pm On Mar 27, 2022
LordFaraday:
The national grid collapse is over a month now and everyone seems to be silenced about it. This has never happened in the history of the country before.

Have the APC government charmed all Nigerians to just remain silent or what. I seems not to understand. It seems like an horror movie. Or someone should pls wake me up from this nightmare. undecided cry
Fuel scarcity, dollar is heading towrds 700, bandits are killing people on a daily, yet Nigerians are silent

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Re: National Grid Collapse Is Over a Month Now by dawnomike(m): 6:15pm On Mar 27, 2022
Everyone is already getting tired of talking and seeing no improvement...
Re: National Grid Collapse Is Over a Month Now by ZombieTERROR: 6:19pm On Mar 27, 2022
LordFaraday:
The national grid collapse is over a month now and everyone seems to be silenced about it. This has never happened in the history of the country before.

Have the APC government charmed all Nigerians to just remain silent or what. I seems not to understand. It seems like an horror movie. Or someone should pls wake me up from this nightmare. undecided cry
Nackzy:
Fuel scarcity, dollar is heading towrds 700, bandits are killing people on a daily, yet Nigerians are silent

we Yoruba Muslims will only gather at ojota to protest only when it's a South Southerner..

so long it's Buhari.. we are ready and suffer and smile

haven't you noticed that we Yoruba Muslims chant Sai Barber even more than the northerner's on this forum

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Re: National Grid Collapse Is Over a Month Now by Nobody: 6:22pm On Mar 27, 2022
LordFaraday:
The national grid collapse is over a month now and everyone seems to be silenced about it. This has never happened in the history of the country before.

Have the APC government charmed all Nigerians to just remain silent or what. I seems not to understand. It seems like an horror movie. Or someone should pls wake me up from this nightmare. undecided cry

Grid collapses have been happening for years. Even before Bubu took over. The grid has not been updated since the 1970's and has been 'overloaded' since the 1980's if not earlier due to far too many leaders promising 'electricity for all', without thought for paying for it.

The problem is simple. We don't pay enough for power...because of

1.Low tarrifs. Your power tarrif is kept low for 'the poor' , meanwhile funds raised from tarrifs are not enough to pay for improvements to...well...everything.

2.People not paying for power. (Yes, you can abuse me, but this has been an issue for years. And as for installing meters to solve the problem...people bypass them. All the time.).

At the end of the day, no money means no improvement....means bad power. Government too, who controls the transmisson system....cannot raise enough money to fix the thing, and the DISCOS, which control most of the raising of finances, are hamstrung by the two above reasons.

The solution is simple...allow the DISCOS to set the price, not the government...and people and government and companies who don't pay their bills should pay them regularly.


After all, see the GSM sector. GSM companies can afford to build and expand because they set their own tarrifs, and everyone pays because you cannot use their services otherwise.


A good paper to read on this issue is the PWC paper...Solving the liquidity crunch in the power sector....written in 2018. The page below summarizes what I have been saying.


Short version: The grid collapses because it is old, and because the power sector cannot raise enough funds to fix it.


P.S
1.I support solutions like 'breaking up the grid into smaller bits....but at the end, if tarrifs are kept below the cost of production, it won't change a thing.

PS.
Abuse would be dealt with apporpriately. If you cannot engage with me as a matured adult, and disagree with me without abuse, it would be dealt with appropriately. Thank you. And I don't back APC or PDP. My views are mine and mine alone. And I am not in government and don't have power to make your life good or misreable.

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Re: National Grid Collapse Is Over a Month Now by LordFaraday(m): 6:31pm On Mar 27, 2022
Hmm So much excuses. I bow for you sir.
tekjansen2:


Grid collapses have been happening for years. Even before Bubu took over. The grid has not been updated since the 1970's and has been 'overloaded' since the 1980's if not earlier due to far too many leaders promising 'electricity for all', without thought for paying for it.

The problem is simple. We don't pay enough for power...because of

1.Low tarrifs. Your power tarrif is kept low for 'the poor' , meanwhile funds raised from tarrifs are not enough to pay for improvements to...well...everything.

2.People not paying for power. (Yes, you can abuse me, but this has been an issue for years. And as for installing meters to solve the problem...people bypass them. All the time.).

At the end of the day, no money means no improvement....means bad power. Government too, who controls the transmisson system....cannot raise enough money to fix the thing, and the DISCOS, which control most of the raising of finances, are hamstrung by the two above reasons.

The solution is simple...allow the DISCOS to set the price, not the government...and people and government and companies who don't pay their bills should pay them regularly.


After all, see the GSM sector. GSM companies can afford to build and expand because they set their own tarrifs, and everyone pays because you cannot use their services otherwise.


A good paper to read on this issue is the PWC paper...Solving the liquidity crunch in the power sector....written in 2018. The page below summarizes what I have been saying.


Short version: The grid collapses because it is old, and because the power sector cannot raise enough funds to fix it.


P.S
1.I support solutions like 'breaking up the grid into smaller bits....but at the end, if tarrifs are kept below the cost of production, it won't change a thing.
Re: National Grid Collapse Is Over a Month Now by Nobody: 6:39pm On Mar 27, 2022
LordFaraday:
Hmm So much excuses. I bow for you sir.

I know it looks like I am defending this government, but this is a problem that dates back decades, and is something I can defend with quotes from articles and suchlike.Also, my ideas on this were developed during the GEJ admin, when I was trying to understand why we were privatising power then....that's around 2013.

Ideally, in my opinion, the government should provide more money for the thing. But as far back as 2016, a team of experts stated that we needed 900 billion dollars over 30 years to fix power. Nigeria's annual budgets for the nation, not the power sector... don't reach up to 30 billion dollars yearly.

Also, the tarrif issue is a serious problem. If you read the report I linked to, you would see how serious. We , that is government and the people collectively don't pay enough for power. It follows logically that the power sector cannot earn enough money to fix itself. At the end....you have grid collapses and so forth. (and gencos complaining that they don't get paid enough too).


Recall I said that GSM works in this country for 2 reasons

1.They can set their tarrifs (and in the case of internet services overprice them..BBC has a very interesting article on that...but that's another story)

2.You cannot use their services without paying for them

DISCOS and GENCOS cannot do that because

1.Tarrifs are set for them by government...and kept below their cost of production. (Gas, which most of them use, is paid for in dollars...at the insistence of the gas companies, including the Nigeria Gas Company).

2.People can use power easily without paying for it.

At the end, sort out one and two, and we would have enough money for fixing power. Countries that have 24 hour power don't have those two issues.
Re: National Grid Collapse Is Over a Month Now by Nobody: 6:43pm On Mar 27, 2022
ENDLESS SYSTEM COLLAPSES RECORDED IN 9 YEARS

Between 2010 and 2019, Nigerian electricity consumers have had to contend with 206 power grid collapse, nine of which occurred in 2019, records obtained from the system operator (SO), a section of TCN, indicate.


A breakdown of the 206 grid collapse which often led to a power cut for a whole region or even the entire country shows that 109 of the incidents occurred from 2010 to 2013; while 97 others were recorded from 2014 to 2019.

The country went into total darkness 22 times and recorded 20 partial outages in 2010. The grid had 13 incidents of total collapse and six partial incidents in 2011. By 2012, there were 16 total collapses and eight partial ones. In 2013 when preparations for the privatization were topmost, there were 22 total power grid collapses while partial trappings occurred twice.

The post-privatization era also had its fair share of system collapse. Although the situation improved in 2014 as records show, there were nine total collapses and four partial ones. By 2015, the trouble persisted with a record of six total and four partial collapses. It became worst by 2016 when the grid tripped for 22 times and went off partially six times.

Investigations further revealed that in 2017, there were 15 total, and nine partial collapses while last year, 12 total collapses were recorded with one partial collapse.

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Irrua TCN substation

At least nine total collapses have been recorded this year; four of which occurred in January. The five others were spread across February, April, May, June, and August.

The total collapse on June 30, which dropped grid power to 127MW, was traced to a fire outbreak at the Benin transmission substation in Edo state. On August 30, the national electricity grid recorded another total collapse, throwing the country into darkness for about 10 hours. It was a total collapse as power generation on the grid dropped to 20MW.

GRID OUTAGES HIGHEST DURING RAINY SEASON

Trend analyses of these collapses further indicate that national grid outages were worst during some months in the rainy season. The highest of such was in May, which had 30 collapses since 2010. June is next with 29 occurrences.


Another trend is the occurrence of more collapses in January. At least 19 incidents were recorded in the nine-year analysis. The negative trend of 17 occurrences per month was recorded in April, September, and October. It slid to 16 occurrences in November, 15 collapses in July, and 14 incidents in March and December. The least occurrences were in August (7 collapses) and February (10 collapses).

TCN on various occasions this year blamed the DisCos’ load rejection for the high frequency of grid collapses in the rainy season. It said once it rains, the DisCos due to their poor networks, shutdown many power feeders which denies customers of supply, and that when the grid voltages became too high for lack of consumption, a collapse or frequency disturbance became inevitable.

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Re: National Grid Collapse Is Over a Month Now by Ttalk: 6:53pm On Mar 27, 2022
tekjansen2:


Grid collapses have been happening for years. Even before Bubu took over. The grid has not been updated since the 1970's and has been 'overloaded' since the 1980's if not earlier due to far too many leaders promising 'electricity for all', without thought for paying for it.

The problem is simple. We don't pay enough for power...because of

1.Low tarrifs. Your power tarrif is kept low for 'the poor' , meanwhile funds raised from tarrifs are not enough to pay for improvements to...well...everything.

2.People not paying for power. (Yes, you can abuse me, but this has been an issue for years. And as for installing meters to solve the problem...people bypass them. All the time.).

At the end of the day, no money means no improvement....means bad power. Government too, who controls the transmisson system....cannot raise enough money to fix the thing, and the DISCOS, which control most of the raising of finances, are hamstrung by the two above reasons.

The solution is simple...allow the DISCOS to set the price, not the government...and people and government and companies who don't pay their bills should pay them regularly.


After all, see the GSM sector. GSM companies can afford to build and expand because they set their own tarrifs, and everyone pays because you cannot use their services otherwise.


A good paper to read on this issue is the PWC paper...Solving the liquidity crunch in the power sector....written in 2018. The page below summarizes what I have been saying.


Short version: The grid collapses because it is old, and because the power sector cannot raise enough funds to fix it.


P.S
1.I support solutions like 'breaking up the grid into smaller bits....but at the end, if tarrifs are kept below the cost of production, it won't change a thing.

I didn't bother to finish load of craps you put up there. Where did you guys get this lie that Nigerians don't want to pay for light?

Have you ever gone to the market to buy product that doesn't exist?

Nigerian don't want to pay for light but they are paying from there noses to buy diesel at 850naira/ litres and buying fuel at 250naira/litres?

Are the people using generator all over Nigeria from the villages to cities no longer Nigerians?

If they can be spending much to run their gen why would an empty skull like your be insulting Nigerians with your thoughtless submission?

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Re: National Grid Collapse Is Over a Month Now by NIGilliterate(m): 6:55pm On Mar 27, 2022
LordFaraday:
The national grid collapse is over a month now and everyone seems to be silenced about it. This has never happened in the history of the country before.

Have the APC government charmed all Nigerians to just remain silent or what. I seems not to understand. It seems like an horror movie. Or someone should pls wake me up from this nightmare. undecided cry

Hey think you need to check your brain the last time the National Grid collapse was about 12 days ago

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Re: National Grid Collapse Is Over a Month Now by Nackzy: 6:57pm On Mar 27, 2022
ZombieTERROR:


we Yoruba Muslims will only gather at ojota to protest only when it's a South Southerner..

so long it's Buhari.. we are ready and suffer and smile

haven't you noticed that we Yoruba Muslims chant Sai Barber even more than the northerner's on this forum
it's pathetic

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Re: National Grid Collapse Is Over a Month Now by Nobody: 7:02pm On Mar 27, 2022
Ttalk:


[s]I didn't bother to finish load of craps you put up there. Where did you guys get this lie that Nigerians don't want to pay for light?

Have you ever gone to the market to buy product that doesn't exist?

Nigerian don't want to pay for light but they are paying from there noses to buy diesel at 850naira/ litres and buying fuel at 250naira/litres?

Are the people using generator all over Nigeria from the villages to cities no longer Nigerians?

If they can be spending much to run their gen why would an empty skull like your be insulting Nigerians with your thoughtless submission?[/s]
Re: National Grid Collapse Is Over a Month Now by NIGilliterate(m): 7:03pm On Mar 27, 2022
tekjansen2:


Grid collapses have been happening for years. Even before Bubu took over. The grid has not been updated since the 1970's and has been 'overloaded' since the 1980's if not earlier due to far too many leaders promising 'electricity for all', without thought for paying for it.

The problem is simple. We don't pay enough for power...because of

1.Low tarrifs. Your power tarrif is kept low for 'the poor' , meanwhile funds raised from tarrifs are not enough to pay for improvements to...well...everything.

2.People not paying for power. (Yes, you can abuse me, but this has been an issue for years. And as for installing meters to solve the problem...people bypass them. All the time.).

At the end of the day, no money means no improvement....means bad power. Government too, who controls the transmisson system....cannot raise enough money to fix the thing, and the DISCOS, which control most of the raising of finances, are hamstrung by the two above reasons.

The solution is simple...allow the DISCOS to set the price, not the government...and people and government and companies who don't pay their bills should pay them regularly.


After all, see the GSM sector. GSM companies can afford to build and expand because they set their own tarrifs, and everyone pays because you cannot use their services otherwise.


A good paper to read on this issue is the PWC paper...Solving the liquidity crunch in the power sector....written in 2018. The page below summarizes what I have been saying.


Short version: The grid collapses because it is old, and because the power sector cannot raise enough funds to fix it.


P.S
1.I support solutions like 'breaking up the grid into smaller bits....but at the end, if tarrifs are kept below the cost of production, it won't change a thing.

I disagree with you the problem in Nigeria is illiteracy from the leaders to the citizen. Even the so-called GSM companies, have stopped investing in nigeria about 3 years ago. Take a trip to countries like Ghana South Africa Kenya Ethiopia and see the massive investment or GSM company and see how they are providing unlimited internet for 4G and 5G while we are still using data bundles in Nigeria. Even their so-called data bundle do not have any expiry date there is no investment in the GSM sector. There is no investment in the oil sector. There is no investment in everything in Nigeria because of the illiteracy and citizen behaviour. Take a trip to Europe or America and say you are a Nigeria in an interview and see who will give you job in fact they will start phoning the police you are a criminal
Re: National Grid Collapse Is Over a Month Now by NIGilliterate(m): 7:09pm On Mar 27, 2022
The biggest problem with Nigeria is the illiteracy of the Citizens and stupidity. If Nigeria never got independence Nigeria will be better than South Africa Canada and Australia but because of the illiteracy of the Citizens they vote for idiots and criminals. The first think Nigerians do when they go abroad is to vote for the same criminal which did nothing for them at home

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Re: National Grid Collapse Is Over a Month Now by Nobody: 7:09pm On Mar 27, 2022
NIGilliterate:


I disagree with you the problem in Nigeria is illiteracy from the leaders to the citizen. Even the so-called GSM companies, have stopped in nigeria about 3 years ago. Take a trip to countries like Ghana South Africa Kenya Ethiopia and see the massive investment or GSM company and see how they are providing unlimited internet for 4G and 5G while we are still using data bundles in Nigeria. Even their so-called data bundle do not have any expiry date there is no investment in the GSM sector. There is no investment in the oil sector. There is no investment in everything in Nigeria because of the illiteracy and citizen behaviour. Take a trip to Europe or America and say you are in Nigeria in an interview and see who will give you job in fact they will start phoning the police you are a criminal

At the end, that's why the APC government has to improve things like security, and so forth.

Plus...

1. Ghana has data bundles (see here), as do Kenya (see here)

2.Ethiopia and South Africa also have data bundles.

3.Companies like Spectranet offer unlimited browising (partial, depends on the time of day)

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