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Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Broveens42(m): 7:40pm On Mar 28, 2022
Deuteronomy 21

22. “If a man has committed a sin deserving of death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, 23. his body shall not remain overnight on the tree, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is hanged is accursed of God".


Galatians 3:13-14

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”


QUESTION
Point out two errors of the New testament writer in His quest to justify Deuteronomy 21.
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by immortalcrown(m): 7:47pm On Mar 28, 2022
Broveens42:
Deuteronomy 21

22. “If a man has committed a sin deserving of death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, 23. his body shall not remain overnight on the tree, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is hanged is accursed of God".


Galatians 3:13-14

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”


QUESTION
Point out two errors of the New testament writer in His quest to justify Deuteronomy 21.

Does Deuteronomy 21 vs 22 tell you that whoever is hung on a tree is blessed? How do the two verses you quoted contradict each other? Go and learn English.
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Broveens42(m): 7:50pm On Mar 28, 2022
immortalcrown:


Does Deuteronomy 21 vs 22 tell you that whoever is hung on a tree is blessed? How do the two verses you quoted contradict each other? Go and learn English.


Lol. About English language, I should be advising you to take courses in English.
Read the old T passage very well and compare
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by advanceDNA: 7:52pm On Mar 28, 2022
immortalcrown:


Does Deuteronomy 21 vs 22 tell you that whoever is hung on a tree is blessed? How do the two verses you quoted contradict each other? Go and learn English.

The guy is desperate
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by immortalcrown(m): 7:53pm On Mar 28, 2022
Broveens42:
Lol. About English language, I should be advising you to take courses in English.
Read the old T passage very well and compare
To prove me wrong, explain how the two verses contradict each other.
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Broveens42(m): 7:56pm On Mar 28, 2022
immortalcrown:

To prove me wrong, explain how the two verses contradict each other.


Calm down. Stop feeling jittery already. I wanna get answers first grin

Let me give you a clue. The Deuteronomy passage is just a sentence with a clause at the end
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by immortalcrown(m): 7:59pm On Mar 28, 2022
Broveens42:
Calm down. Stop feeling jittery already. I wanna get answers first grin Let me give you a clue. The Deuteronomy passage is just a sentence with a clause at the end
You do not even know the proper time to use jittery. How does my asking you to prove your claim mean I am feeling jittery?

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Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Broveens42(m): 8:03pm On Mar 28, 2022
immortalcrown:

You do not even know the proper time to use jittery. How does my asking you to prove your claim mean I am feeling jittery?


Sorry, but I feel you are jittery. You should have kept mute to allow other people contribute ... You don't expect the op to give answers immediately. Don't you think so?

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Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by immortalcrown(m): 8:07pm On Mar 28, 2022
Broveens42:
Sorry, but I feel you are jittery. You should have kept mute to allow other people contribute ... You don't expect the op to give answers immediately. Don't you think so?
Imagine! A teacher is waiting to see all the works done by students before the teacher will give a correction. Ride on.
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Broveens42(m): 8:09pm On Mar 28, 2022
immortalcrown:

Imagine! A teacher is waiting to see all the works done by students before the teacher will give a correction. Ride on.

That's the standard practice all over.

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Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by immortalcrown(m): 8:09pm On Mar 28, 2022
Broveens42:
That's the standard practice all over.
Wonderful! Keep it up.
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Broveens42(m): 3:47pm On Mar 29, 2022
Ok..
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:10pm On Mar 29, 2022
What is the difference? undecided
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Kobojunkie: 4:15pm On Mar 29, 2022
Broveens42:
Lol. About English language, I should be advising you to take courses in English.
Read the old T passage very well and compare
Death is a curse, and as the Old Covenant verse suggests those who are sentenced to death by the law are condemned/cursed by it. Hanging a cursed individual on tree served as a warning sign to others. undecided

So the author of Galatians didn't get it wrong on this one at all.. undecided
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Broveens42(m): 4:35pm On Mar 29, 2022
Kobojunkie:
Death is a curse, and as the Old Covenant verse suggests those who are sentenced to death by the law are condemned/cursed by it. Hanging a cursed individual on tree served as a warning sign to others. undecided

So the author of Galatians didn't get it wrong on this one at all.. undecided

so when you sentence someone wrongly then it becomes a curse grin
Wonderful
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Broveens42(m): 4:36pm On Mar 29, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
What is the difference? undecided

You should know
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Kobojunkie: 4:42pm On Mar 29, 2022
Broveens42:
so when you sentence someone wrongly then it becomes a curse grin
Wonderful
Wrongly? I don't follow! Death in and of itself is a curse- Genesis 3 vs 19. Anyone sentenced to death following the Old Law is perceived as having been cursed by the Law, this ofcourse by men, not God. undecided

The primary audience of the letter you quote from where Jewish Christians, many of who were raised in the tradition of the Old Covenant Law which was given them - Jews only - by God. undecided
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:43pm On Mar 29, 2022
Broveens42:

You should know
If i know i won't ask!
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Broveens42(m): 4:50pm On Mar 29, 2022
Kobojunkie:
Wrongly? I don't follow! Death in and of itself is a curse- Genesis 3 vs 19. Anyone sentenced to death following the Old Law is perceived as having been cursed by the Law, this ofcourse by men, not God. undecided

The primary audience of the letter you quote from where Jewish Christians, many of who were raised in the tradition of the Old Covenant Law which was given them - Jews only - by God. undecided

But the Deuteronomy I quoted said they are accursed of God not men grin
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Kobojunkie: 4:54pm On Mar 29, 2022
Broveens42:
But the Deuteronomy I quoted said they are accursed of God not men grin
God's curse is only on those who break His Law, this, even before they are physically sentenced by men. undecided
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Broveens42(m): 5:15pm On Mar 29, 2022
Kobojunkie:
Wrongly? I don't follow! Death in and of itself is a curse- Genesis 3 vs 19. Anyone sentenced to death following the Old Law is perceived as having been cursed by the Law, this ofcourse by men, not God. undecided

The primary audience of the letter you quote from where Jewish Christians, many of who were raised in the tradition of the Old Covenant Law which was given them - Jews only - by God. undecided


The curse you quoted in Genesis was not what the new testament writer referenced from Deuteronomy. grin

Christ became A CURSE. Which means there is a special type of curse from being hung justly.
I would be listening to you if the new testament writer says: Christ became CURSE
grin
#english language
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Broveens42(m): 5:21pm On Mar 29, 2022
Kobojunkie:
God's curse is only on those who break His Law, this, even before they are physically sentenced by men. undecided

So in essence, Christ committed a sin ?
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Kobojunkie: 5:24pm On Mar 29, 2022
Broveens42:
1. The curse you quoted in Genesis was not what the new testament writer referenced from Deuteronomy. grin

2. Christ became A CURSE. Which means there is a special type of curse from being hung justly.
I would be listening to you if the new writer says: Christ became CURSE
grin
#english language
1. Death as described in Genesis 3 vs 19 is the same death suggested as a curse in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 awaits all those cursed by the Law of Moses. undecided

2. There is no "special type of curse". The Law as a standard sits to Judge all those who live under it as either blessed or cursed, and there is no doubt the perception had by those men who live by the Old Covenant Law as to who is blessed and who is cursed by it. undecided

Jesus Christ was not cursed by the Law since He lived His life in full submission and obedience of the Old Covenant Law in question. However, because He was crucified by those who pretended to live by the Old Covenant Law, He was assumed cursed by it. undecided


None of those who are indeed cursed by the Old Covenant Law can rise again from the dead....see Genesis 3 vs 19 for details of this. undecided
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Kobojunkie: 5:24pm On Mar 29, 2022
Broveens42:
So in essence, Christ committed a sin ?
Nope, Jesus Christ was not cursed by God's Old Covenant Law since He had no sin. undecided

Instead He was assumed cursed, this by men, since He was killed by those who manned the Old Covenant Law. undecided
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Broveens42(m): 5:31pm On Mar 29, 2022
Kobojunkie:
1. Death as described in Genesis 3 vs 19 is the same death suggested as a curse in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 awaits all those cursed by the Law of Moses. undecided

2. There is no "special type of curse". The Law as a standard sits to Judge all those who live under it as either blessed or cursed, and there is no doubt the perception had by those men who live by the Old Covenant Law as to who is blessed and who is cursed by it. undecided

Jesus Christ was not cursed by the Law since He lived His life in full submission and obedience of the Old Covenant Law in question. However, because He was crucified by those who pretended to live by the Old Covenant Law, He was assumed cursed by it. undecided


None of those who are indeed cursed by the Old Covenant Law can rise again from the dead....see Genesis 3 vs 19 for details of this. undecided

Lol. I love how you are dancing around. There are so many types of curses in OT. Deuteronomy was not even talking about curse from death ..but curse from hanging after death.. get the difference.
The mistake you guys make is thinking it was being killed or nailed on the tree

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Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Kobojunkie: 5:35pm On Mar 29, 2022
Broveens42:
Lol. I love how you are dancing around. There are so many types of causes. Deuteronomy was not even talking about curse from death ..but curse from hanging after death.. get the difference.
The mistake you guys make is thinking it was being killed or nailed on the tree grin
It seems you don't even realize what the Law, in its entirety is really about, from your comment above. undecided

The same author of the letter to Galatians is assumed to have referred to the same Old Covenant Law of Moses as the Law of Sin and Death, you know why? undecided
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Broveens42(m): 5:39pm On Mar 29, 2022
Kobojunkie:
It seems you don't even realize what the Law, in its entirety is really about, from your comment above. undecided

The same author of the letter to Galatians is assumed to have referred to the same Old Covenant Law of Moses as the Law of Sin and Death, you know why? undecided


That is why I am of the opinion, the new testament writer copied wrongly

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Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Kobojunkie: 5:40pm On Mar 29, 2022
Broveens42:
That is why I am of the opinion, the new testament writer copied wrongly
New testament was copied wrongly, how? undecided

Explain first what you mean by copied wrongly here. undecided
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Broveens42(m): 5:41pm On Mar 29, 2022
INTRODUCTION
A. Deuteronomy 21 :22&23 is one sentence

First, second and third clauses:
if a man commits a sin deserving of death, put to death, and then you hang him on a tree

Fourth, fifth/sixth clauses: His body shall not be left on the tree overnight, so that you do not DEFILE the land

Last clause ( ; ) for He
'He' is the man who commits a sin deserving of death,
And whose body was left on the tree overnight

Christians believe Christ didn't commit any sin deserving of death but was meant to die for their salvation.

B. New testament
1.Christ redeemed from the curse of the law
How?
2.By becoming a curse (check criteria for becoming a curse in deut21:22)
3. Cursed is everyone that you hang on a tree FALSE!
Cursed is not everyone that is hung on a tree but that man who is hung after put to death deservedly for a sin he commits

ANSWER
Two errors from the new testament writer
1. Contextual fallacy against (deut 21:22)
2. Wrong referencing from (deut 21:23c)

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Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Kobojunkie: 5:47pm On Mar 29, 2022
Broveens42:

B. New testament
1.Christ redeemed from the curse of the law
How?
2.By becoming a curse (check criteria for becoming a curse in deut21:22)
3. Cursed is everyone that you hang on a tree FALSE!
Cursed is not everyone that is hung on a tree but that man who is hung after put to death deservedly for a sin he commits

ANSWER
Two errors from the new testament writer
1. Contextual fallacy against (deut 21:22)
2. Wrong referencing from (deut 21:23c)
May I ask why you concern yourself with this in the first place? undecided
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Broveens42(m): 6:43pm On Apr 02, 2022
Kobojunkie:
May I ask why you concern yourself with this in the first place? undecided

I'm just curious grin
Re: Religion: Who Copied From Whom ? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:23pm On Apr 02, 2022
Broveens42:


But the Deuteronomy I quoted said they are accursed of God not men grin

Nope! It does not say so it says

"IF a man has committed a sin deserving of death.."

The word is "if" and "when".

And the Judges of the day adjudged Him an "IF" and "Whend" Him. Even if there Judgement was a Perversion.

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