John 17
4 I have glorified You down here on the earth by completing the work that You gave Me to do.

Jesus said he had completed the assignment given to him on earth by God. He did send his disciples to go into the world and preach the gospel.


Why did Jesus need to appear to Paul or come to establish Jehova witness in 1914 after he was through with his mission and had sent his disciples already?

Why do trinitarians disbelieve in 1914 Jesus but beleived in the bright light that appeared to Paul?



Matthew 24:23-28
New International Version
23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.



Jesus came and the whole world didn't know is that a true or false Jesus?

haekymbahd:
John 17
4 I have glorified You down here on the earth by completing the work that You gave Me to do.

Jesus said he had completed the assignment given to him on earth by God. He did send his disciples to go into the world and preach the gospel.


Why did Jesus need to appear to Paul or come to establish Jehova witness in 1914 after he was through with his mission and had sent his disciples already?

Why do trinitarians disbelieve in 1914 Jesus but beleived in the bright light that appeared to Paul?



Matthew 24:23-28
New International Version
23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.



Jesus came and the whole world didn't know is that a true or false Jesus?

The whole idea of Jesus is all based on lies and fabrication..
Just learn God's laws and obey them. It includes not making the image or likeness of anything on earth, heaven and under the waters below the earth...it prohibits creating a god in the image of a man..desist from it. Don't be deceived.

sonmvayina:


The whole idea of Jesus is all based on lies and fabrication..

But the whole idea of God isn’t? Is the god of the Hebrews not based on lies and fabrication?

sonmvayina:

Just learn God's laws and obey them. It includes not making the image or likeness of anything on earth, heaven and under the waters below the earth...it prohibits creating a god in the image of a man..desist from it. Don't be deceived.

Some ancient Hebrews told their people not to make image or likeness of anything and call it god. How is that “God’s law”? Are the Hebrew scribes “God”?
How does it apply to people who don’t venerate the Hebrews?

haekymbahd:

Jesus came and the whole world didn't know is that a true or false Jesus?

FALSE

The Jesus Christ preached today is a creation of the Roman Empire. To prove this even his own disciples could not recognize Him after His resurrection and he forgave the Roman soldiers that crucified Him but He could not forgive His own disciple Judas that helped Him to fulfill His mission to the Cross.

MindHacker9009:


FALSE

The Jesus Christ preached today is a creation of the Roman Empire. To prove this even his own disciples could not recognize Him after His resurrection and he forgave the Roman soldiers that crucified Him but He could not forgive His own disciple Judas that helped Him to fulfill His mission to the Cross.

The statement makes zero sense.

haekymbahd:

Why did Jesus need to appear to Paul

A Lawyer who wants to work for The Lord is the bestest employee, The Lord could have.

KnownUnknown:

The statement makes zero sense.

Because sense is not common if not believers would have known by now that the Jesus Christ being preached today is a BIG SCAM.

KnownUnknown:


But the whole idea of God isn’t? Is the god of the Hebrews not based on lies and fabrication?



Some ancient Hebrews told their people not to make image or likeness of anything and call it god. How is that “God’s law”? Are the Hebrew scribes “God”?
How does it apply to people who don’t venerate the Hebrews?

It's all about knowledge of self...the Hebrew Scriptures makes perfect sense to me, because it is based on logic...

Worshiping anything outside of yourself is idolatry..

MindHacker9009:


Because sense is not common if not believers would have known by now that the Jesus Christ being preached today is a BIG SCAM.

Fact

sonmvayina:


It's all about knowledge of self...the Hebrew Scriptures makes perfect sense to me, because it is based on logic...

Really? Show the logic in these scriptures.
If “knowledge of self” led you to conclude that the Hebrews scriptures are “logical”, why criticize the “knowledge of self” that led others to Jesus and Christianity?

sonmvayina:

Worshiping anything outside of yourself is idolatry..

Similar to worshipping the imagination of some other people?

KnownUnknown:


Really? Show the logic in these scriptures.
If “knowledge of self” led you to conclude that the Hebrews scriptures are “logical”, why criticize the “knowledge of self” that led others to Jesus and Christianity?



Similar to worshipping the imagination of some other people?

Which part of the new testament remotely makes any sense?
I exist, therefore I am..

sonmvayina:

Which part of the new testament remotely makes any sense?

This is not about the New Testament. The question is about the logic in the Hebrew Scriptures. If logic means sound reasoning then sound reasoning can be found within scriptures because they exist independently of scriptures and are just included in said scriptures. Therefore, both old and new, and dare I say future testament, have sound reasoning. However, they also contain illogical ideas
So, if your knowledge of self lead you to find reason within the Hebrew Scriptures why criticize others who found reason in the New Testament? After all, they both contain sense and nonsense. The nonsense are just exceedingly clever.

sonmvayina:

I exist, therefore I am..

I think, therefore I am (exist) Cogito ergo sum
What you wrote is a mere tautology.

Cogito ergo sum is an overrated quote. Do things have to think to exist?

MindHacker9009:


Because sense is not common if not believers would have known by now that the Jesus Christ being preached today is a BIG SCAM.

But your God is totally not a scam.

haekymbahd:

Why did Jesus need to appear to Paul or come to establish Jehova witness in 1914 after he was through with his mission and had sent his disciples already?

YES! Jesus completed the assignment God gave him as a human on planet earth {John 19:30} so when he returned to heaven he continued working for his dad.
He promised that the Holy Spirit will be sent in his name to continue with his disciples on earth {John 14:25-26} so after Jesus left the earth he's still working with his earthly disciples by means of God's Holy Spirit {Matthew 28:20} that's why he could directly chose Paul a sincere and honest hearted Jew who has been brainwashed by the Pharisees to fight against Jesus' followers unknowingly that he was actually fighting against God!
We got this evidence in Paul's own speech when he said that Gamaliel was the Jewish Rabbi who studied the scriptures with him {Act 22:3} and from Gamaliel's own speech it's obvious that the man was a sincere person even though he wasn't a Christian! Act 5:34-39

So Paul's background was good but since the Pharisees have brainwashed him Jesus had to call this righteous man back to order {Act 9:3-9} being vast in the laws much more than all Jesus' disciples Paul was chosen as an Apostle to help most Jews realized that Jesus is the Messiah and also to teach converts how to practice Christianity without having to conform to Jewish traditions! Act 9:15; Romans 1:5; 1Timothy 2:7

As for 1914 Jesus foretold that when he returns back to the earth the type of FAITH he established would have vanished {Luke 18:8} but then he will have to appoint a group of people who are earnestly seeking knowledge of God and hand over the work to them so they can continue from where the first century Jewish disciples stopped! Matthew 24:45-46

But wait a minute: how come only one group knew this? Well Jesus is not from our planet {John 8:23} so his way of doing things totally differs from the way humans think!
Even when he came in the flesh just a few among his own people could sense that their long time awaited Messiah is around {John 1:11} just imagine if John the baptist who saw God's Holy Spirit landing like a dove on Jesus' head and heard God's voice confirming that Jesus is the Christ {Matthew 3:17} could express doubt in Jesus {Matthew 11:3} how much more people who only heard about his miraculous works? John 7:5

So when Jesus returned in the spirit the only evidence is how he quickly restructured that group, made them preachers and teachers so that throughout the world every nation could bear witness that Jehovah's Witnesses are doing exactly what Jesus commanded his disciples to do! Matthew 10:11-13 compare to Matthew 5:13-16
Of all the religions claiming Christians on this planet only Jehovah's Witnesses stay away from politics {John 6:15} nepotism and racism {Matthew 12:46-50} social conflicts and wars {Matthew 26:52} have love for their neighbours {Mark 12:31} have undeniable love among themselves {John 13:34-35} and always obedient to those in authority! Matthew 5:41

So no sincere person will say Jesus is not the one responsible for this quick change in the attitude of people within just a century from different races throughout the earth under one umbrella! Act 1:8

haekymbahd:

Why do trinitarians disbelieve in 1914 Jesus but beleived in the bright light that appeared to Paul?
Jesus came and the whole world didn't know is that a true or false Jesus?

Faith is not a possession of all people {2Thessalonians 3:2} so i can't expect majority of people to grasp the presence of an invisible mighty spirit King whose presence wasn't duly recognized even when he came physically in the flesh!

Please anytime you have a thought provoking question of this kind don't forget to tag me for scriptural answers. I know you feel something is wrong and you're right but it's with faithless Churchgoers not with true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses)

Jesus was only recognized by those who were paying rapt attention to all the related prophecies regarding the Messiah, people who were following mere assumptions of the first century Jewish religious leaders failed to recognize Jesus as the promised Messiah.

WHY?

Because it's with the help of the prophecies that anyone can fully be convinced not on what people thought presumptuously.
So when Jehovah's Witnesses claimed that Jesus returned in 1914 all you need to do is go back to what Jesus himself said will be happening on planet earth that time to help faithful people know that he's around. Matthew 24:4-14
If you're expecting everyone to majority to grasp such an event then remember what happened when this same Jesus came in the first century. With all the prophecies pointing to the coming, life and activities of the Messiah most Jews never recognized that the Messiah is in their midst only faithful Jews did!

There's a question i expected you to ask!

Why is it that since 1914 that Jehovah's Witnesses claimed Jesus returned that morals and virtues was vanishing swiftly on a global scale?