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Is Truth Relative? by Hismasterpiece(m): 10:02am On May 01, 2022
Well, according to Atheists, the above statement is true.

So according to their belief assertion (because Atheists claim to not have belief, as they believe assert that beliefs are not based on proof)

Anyways, lets analyze the question, 'Is truth relative'?

Firstly, what is relativism? It is simply the basic idea that there are no universal truths about the world, but rather, there are just different ways of interpreting it. In other words, the relativist asserts that, 'What you believe is true (for you); what I believe is true (for me)'.

To be a relativist means that a belief (Atheists believe assert they don't have beliefs ), idea, proposition, claim, etc. is never true or false, good or bad, or right or wrong, absolutely.

According to the relativist, there is no absolute or objective truth; truth is relative and subjective. For example, a relativist can’t consistently claim that 2 + 2 = 4 because the answer 4 is neither right nor wrong. It just depends. Your math teacher likes 4, but you like 6; so for you, the answer is 6. Hilarious, right? grin grin

To debunk this, I would say that relativism is logically incoherent. Consider the statement: all truth is relative. If this statement is objectively true, then relativism is false because then there is at least one objective truth—namely, the truth that[b] truth is relative[/b]. So. someone that says all truth is relative is in essence saying that the only truth that is not relative objective is that truth is relative and that contradicts the idea that truth is relative. Because if you are saying that truth is relative you have in essence said that it is true that truth is relative, thereby establishing relativity as an objective fact. Capisce? grin grin

But if the statement is only subjectively true, then, as we have already seen, this just means that you believe in relativism (and this provides a problem for Atheists, because they claim to have no beliefs, because they believe assert that belief isn't based on proof). grin grin

Thus, by claiming that truth is relative, you either contradict yourself or make a trivial claim with nothing to recommend your belief assertion. (The other possibilities? Relativism is objectively false, in which case you obviously shouldn’t be a relativist; or relativism is subjectively false, in which case you don’t believe in it.) cheesy cheesy

But I would like to say that some things can be relative to people's subjective opinions. For instance, I might think that bread and butter is a good combo for me, but your preference might be bread and jam. In that sense truth is relative. But if I say that I am a man because I have male genitals and you say that it isn't true for you (a man), but you choose to see yourself as a woman. That doesn't change the fact that you are a man. It just means that you don't believe the truth that you are a man. Capisce?

So, in summary, The claim that all truth is relative is either incoherent or trivial. Moreover, relativism is neither supported by our inability to know what’s true, nor by the fervency of our belief in relativism.

But does this mean that nothing is relative? No. The answers to all the following questions are relative. Is Buhari a good president? Does chocolate taste better than vanilla? Who’s the world’s greatest athlete? Am I a great philosopher?

It’s not the claim that some things are relative that has been positively refuted; rather, it is the claim that all things are relative that is incoherent or illogical. And if all things aren’t relative and subjective, then some things must be absolute and objective.

Peace to you all!!

https://reasonandmeaning.com/2016/11/23/is-truth-relative/

Re: Is Truth Relative? by immortalcrown(m): 10:06am On May 01, 2022
If truth is relative, then the statement "Truth is relative" cannot be objectively true. And this will mean there is neither truth nor lie.

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Re: Is Truth Relative? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:12am On May 01, 2022
Hismasterpiece:
Well, according to Atheists, the above statement is true.

Anyways, lets analyze the question, 'Is truth relative'?

Firstly, what is relativism? It is simply the basic idea that there are no universal truths about the world, but rather, there are just different ways of interpreting it...

Absolute Rubbish!

Is it not a universal Truth that we walk on the ground not in the air, eat meat and herbs not stone and nails or wood?

There are universal Truths and liars are everywhere.

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Re: Is Truth Relative? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:12am On May 01, 2022
immortalcrown:
If truth is relative, then the statement "Truth is relative" cannot be objectively true.

grin

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Re: Is Truth Relative? by Maynman: 10:25am On May 01, 2022
immortalcrown:
If truth is relative, then the statement "Truth is relative" cannot be objectively true. And this will mean there is neither truth nor lie.
Lol
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Maynman: 10:28am On May 01, 2022
There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.: A quote from "Hamlet" by William Shakespeare.

Socrates said in the Republic.: opinion forcibly overcomes truth.
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:38am On May 01, 2022
Maynman:
There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.: A quote from "Hamlet" by William Shakespeare.

Socrates said in the Republic.: opinion forcibly overcomes truth.

Truth will always be truth, regardless of lack of understanding (or refusal to understand) disbelief (or refusal to accept) or ignorance.

W. Clement Stone
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Hismasterpiece(m): 10:52am On May 01, 2022
Maynman:
There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.: A quote from "Hamlet" by William Shakespeare.

Socrates said in the Republic.: opinion forcibly overcomes truth.

So if someone rapes your daughter and when confronted says that to him it is true that rape is good, will you agree with him?
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Hismasterpiece(m): 10:53am On May 01, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:


Absolute Rubbish!

Is it not a universal Truth that we walk on the ground not in the air, eat meat and herbs not stone and nails or wood?

There are universal Truths and liars are everywhere.

I don't understand. Do you agree or disagree with me?
Re: Is Truth Relative? by xproducer: 11:03am On May 01, 2022
There is only one truth which everyone will come to realize.

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." - John 14:6

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." - Acts 4:12
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Dtruthspeaker: 11:13am On May 01, 2022
Hismasterpiece:


I don't understand. Do you agree or disagree with me?

You are standing on 2 plots of land whilst I am standing on 1 only which is "There are universal Truths"
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Maynman: 11:13am On May 01, 2022
Hismasterpiece:


So if someone rapes your daughter and when confronted says that to him it is true that rape is good, will you agree with him?

What Socrates said cancelled what Shakespeare said. Calm down.
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Maynman: 11:14am On May 01, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:


Truth will always be truth, regardless of lack of understanding (or refusal to understand) disbelief (or refusal to accept) or ignorance.

W. Clement Stone

Yeah, read.
What Socrates said cancelled what Shakespeare said
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Dtruthspeaker: 11:24am On May 01, 2022
Maynman:


Yeah, read.
What Socrates said cancelled what Shakespeare said

Opinions and comments does not overcome Truth they are only Noise Makers exactly as empty iron pots All because TRUTH is in its place,

Person wey get house no dey ever make noise na tenants and wannabees (fakes) na im dey make noise.
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Maynman: 11:32am On May 01, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:


Opinions and comments does not overcome Truth they are only Noise Makers exactly as empty iron pots All because TRUTH is in its place,

Person wey get house no dey ever make noise na tenants and wannabees (fakes) na im dey make noise.

Opinions(belief) rules the world.
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Dtruthspeaker: 11:38am On May 01, 2022
Maynman:


Opinions(belief) rules the world.

Because opinions are plenty and people are simple people who are not expecting that people would just open their mouths to lie to them.
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Hismasterpiece(m): 12:54pm On May 01, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:


You are standing on 2 plots of land whilst I am standing on 1 only which is "There are universal Truths"

Its like you didn't understand my post. I said that there are absolute truths. Like the sun is light that's an absolute truth. There are also relative truths. An example of that is for instance I like ice cream because it is sweet (based on my personal experience with ice cream) and you say you dislike ice cream because it tastes bitter in your mouth (based on your personal experience with ice cream) and both are true. Capisce?
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Hismasterpiece(m): 12:55pm On May 01, 2022
Maynman:


What Socrates said cancelled what Shakespeare said. Calm down.
That didn't answer my question bro
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Dtruthspeaker: 1:03pm On May 01, 2022
Hismasterpiece:

Its like you didn't understand my post. I said that there are absolute truths. Like the sun is light that's an absolute truth. There are also relative truths. An example of that is for instance I like ice cream because it is sweet (based on my personal experience with ice cream) and you say you dislike ice cream because it tastes bitter in your mouth (based on your personal experience with ice cream) and both are true. Capisce?

Hence 2 plots of land!

But Universal Truth is Always greater than the specific (subjective/relative truth)

Which is why The Law says "THE COMMON GOOD IS GREATER THAN THE PARTICULAR GOOD"
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Hismasterpiece(m): 2:11pm On May 01, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:


Hence 2 plots of land!

But Universal Truth is Always greater than the specific (subjective/relative truth)

Which is why The Law says "THE COMMON GOOD IS GREATER THAN THE PARTICULAR GOOD"

Sigh... okay
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Hismasterpiece(m): 2:12pm On May 01, 2022
Maynman:


What Socrates said cancelled what Shakespeare said. Calm down.

You know I don't know what either of them said abi?
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Maynman: 4:50pm On May 01, 2022
Hismasterpiece:

That didn't answer my question bro

You have to understand what I said before you ask questions.
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Maynman: 4:50pm On May 01, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:


Because opinions are plenty and people are simple people who are not expecting that people would just open their mouths to lie to them.

Good for you.
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Maynman: 4:51pm On May 01, 2022
Hismasterpiece:


You know I don't know what either of them said abi?

Re: Is Truth Relative? by Hismasterpiece(m): 7:07pm On May 01, 2022
Maynman:


You have to understand what I said before you ask questions.

Alright, help me understand.
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Hismasterpiece(m): 7:08pm On May 01, 2022
Maynman:



Oya tell me
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Maynman: 7:43pm On May 01, 2022
Hismasterpiece:


Oya tell me

What?
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Hismasterpiece(m): 2:17pm On May 02, 2022
Maynman:


What?

The quotes of Socrates and the other guy you are referring to
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Maynman: 2:27pm On May 02, 2022
Hismasterpiece:


The quotes of Socrates and the other guy you are referring to
And?

Re: Is Truth Relative? by Hismasterpiece(m): 6:00pm On May 02, 2022
Maynman:

And?

Shakespeare
Re: Is Truth Relative? by Maynman: 6:08pm On May 02, 2022
Hismasterpiece:


Shakespeare

What happened to him?

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