Many Christians in religious countries and not so religious countries are still in poverty. What do you think is the reason for this? Let's talk.

They will tell you money is the root of all evil. Y it's the love of money that is the root of all evil.
I rest my case.

The problem they have is diligence. They are only relying on prayer without being strategic in their approach to life

rightdata:
Many Christians in religious countries and not so religious countries are still in poverty. What do you think is the reason for this? Let's talk.

Because your Many Christians are believers in mouth only and not in action. They submit themselves to the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) which Jesus Christ warned them were nothing but lies meant to deceive them away from following God's Truth - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13

God is indeed not mocked and His standard will never be lowered by Him.

gift2xl:
They will tell you money is the root of all evil. Y it's the love of money that is the root of all evil.
I rest my case.

why are pastors going after the money!

Jashub:
The problem they have is diligence. They are only relying on prayer without being strategic in their approach to life

Even in prayer they deceive themselves.

Here is a summary of sorts of some of the New Covenant teachings and commandments given by Jesus Christ where Prayer is concerned - please be sure to realize that God will never lower His standard for men's sake. So those who fall short will remain so until they make the decision to rise to meet God's standard.

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■ Ask, Seek and Knock, in order to receive, find and have the door opened to you Matthew 7 vs 7
■ Pray continously. I.e. don't stop asking, seeking, knocking until you have recieved, found and had the door opened to you
Matthew 21 vs 22 & Luke 18 vs 1- 8
■ Avoid vain repetitions because God knows what you want even before you ask Him Matthew 6 vs 7 - 8
■ Always pray in secret and in hiding Matthew 6 vs 6
■ Pray the Lord's prayer-Matthew 6 vs 9- 13
■ Forgive everyone who has hurt or offended you before you pray so your father in Heaven will forgive you your sins- Matthew 11 vs 25 & Matthew 6 vs 12
■ Always approach God in Humility-
Luke 18 vs 9 - 4
■ Believe that you have received what you ask for and it shall be done for you
Matthew 21 vs 22 & Mark 11 vs 24
■ Ask the Father in the name of Jesus Christ
John 15 vs 16
■ If you abide in Him and He, Jesus, abides in you, then He, Jesus Christ , will do whatever you ask in His name John 14 vs 13-14 & john 15 vs 7
■ Pray for your enemies - Matthew 5 vs 44 & Luke 6 vs 27- 28
■ Ask God for the Holy Spirit -
Luke 11 vs 13 & Matthew 7 vs 11

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As Jesus Christ said, those who love Him are, not those who go around mouthing off that they do, but instead take who submit to and obey His teachings- John 14 vs 23 - 26.

Kobojunkie:
Even in prayer they deceive themselves.

Here is a summary of sorts of some of the New Covenant teachings and commandments given by Jesus Christ where Prayer is concerned - please be sure to realize that God will never lower His standard for men's sake. So those who fall short will remain so until they make the decision to rise to meet God's standard.

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■ Ask, Seek and Knock, in order to receive, find and have the door opened to you Matthew 7 vs 7
■ Pray continously. I.e. don't stop asking, seeking, knocking until you have recieved, found and had the door opened to you
Matthew 21 vs 22 & Luke 18 vs 1- 8
■ Avoid vain repetitions because God knows what you want even before you ask Him Matthew 6 vs 7 - 8
■ Always pray in secret and in hiding Matthew 6 vs 6
■ Pray the Lord's prayer-Matthew 6 vs 9- 13
■ Forgive everyone who has hurt or offended you before you pray so your father in Heaven will forgive you your sins- Matthew 11 vs 25 & Matthew 6 vs 12
■ Always approach God in Humility-
Luke 18 vs 9 - 4
■ Believe that you have received what you ask for and it shall be done for you
Matthew 21 vs 22 & Mark 11 vs 24
■ Ask the Father in the name of Jesus Christ
John 15 vs 16
■ If you abide in Him and He, Jesus, abides in you, then He, Jesus Christ , will do whatever you ask in His name John 14 vs 13-14 & john 15 vs 7
■ Pray for your enemies - Matthew 5 vs 44 & Luke 6 vs 27- 28
■ Ask God for the Holy Spirit -
Luke 11 vs 13 & Matthew 7 vs 11

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As Jesus Christ said, those who love Him are, not those who go around mouthing off that they do, but instead take who submit to and obey His teachings- John 14 vs 23 - 26.

Prayer without diligence is empty . And that's why they continue to wallow in the halls of poverty

Jashub:
Prayer without diligence is empty . And that's why they continue to wallow in the halls of poverty

You can pray all you want till you are black and blue in the face even, if you don't obey God's commandments, it is all meaninglessness.

So many churchians out pray like there lives depend on it. Some even pray every every change they are not directly communicating with others, yet nothing. Why? Because they do not do any of what they do in obedience of God's very commandment.

For instance, God said, "All things whatsoever you ask , believing, you shall receive". This same God said that those who belong to Him are those who choose to no longer work for perishable food, but instead for food that endures to eternity which only He can give - John 6 vs 25 - 33. He went in further to insist that this is infact what believing is all about - no longer working for food that perishes but working for food that endures to eternity.

What do you think that diligence in prayer can do to surmount that stipulation by God as far as receiving from Him is concerned?

uthlaw:
why are pastors going after the money!

They will tell you the ministry needs money to expand.

Kobojunkie:
You can pray all you want till you are black and blue in the face even, if you don't obey God's commandments, it is all meaninglessness.

So many churchians out pray like there lives depend on it. Some even pray every every change they are not directly communicating with others, yet nothing. Why? Because they do not do any of what they do in obedience of God's very commandment.

For instance, God said, "All things whatsoever you ask , believing, you shall receive". This same God said that those who belong to Him are those who choose to no longer work for perishable food, but instead for food that endures to eternity which only He can give - John 6 vs 25 - 33. He went in further to insist that this is infact what believing is all about - no longer working for food that perishes but working for food that endures to eternity.

What do you think that diligence in prayer can do to surmount that stipulation by God as far as receiving from Him is concerned?

Nobody is mentioning anything about being diligent in prayer . I'm saying being diligent in the sense of being strategic as to how to go about success. Even if you obey God's commandments and you're not diligent ,you'll be wallowing in poverty. That's a fact . And it's a universal law that applies to whether or not you believe in God or not

Jashub:
1. Nobody is mentioning anything about being diligent in prayer . I'm saying being diligent in the sense of being strategic as to how to go about success.

2. Even if you obey God's commandments and you're not diligent ,you'll be wallowing in poverty. That's a fact . And it's a universal law that applies to whether or not you believe in God or not

Oh, I see!

2. God commands that in order to be of Him , I should abandon my job/career/business etc. , family, friends etc. , in order to become worthy of Him. He says that is part of what it means to believe in Him. So, to what am I to apply this diligence, you speak of, to?

rightdata:
Many Christians in religious countries and not so religious countries are still in poverty. What do you think is the reason for this? Let's talk.

Because they are simply evil people who think that by their much churching they would God would hear their prayers.

It's endtime when the secret of artificial value has been exposed to God's servants!
Before the arrival of John the baptist servants of God never knew what type of value riches have but after John the baptist it was revealed to us that money has artificial value {Matthew 11:12} so true Christians don't go for it rather we concentrate on what has real value: our relationship with the true God! Matthew 6:24
Thanks!

Kobojunkie:
Oh, I see!

2. God commands that in order to be of Him , I should abandon my job/career/business etc. , family, friends etc. , in order to become worthy of Him. He says that is part of what it means to believe in Him. So, to what am I to apply this diligence, you speak of, to?

Even Jesus was a carpenter.

rightdata:
Many Christians in religious countries and not so religious countries are still in poverty. What do you think is the reason for this? Let's talk.

Becoming a Christian is not an escape route from poverty. Paul adviced us to work hard.

rightdata:
Many Christians in religious countries and not so religious countries are still in poverty. What do you think is the reason for this? Let's talk.

Becoming a Christian is not an escape route from poverty. Paul advised us to work hard.

Kobojunkie:
Oh, I see!

2. God commands that in order to be of Him , I should abandon my job/career/business etc. , family, friends etc. , in order to become worthy of Him. He says that is part of what it means to believe in Him. So, to what am I to apply this diligence, you speak of, to?

It is written " let him who will not labor , let him not eat " ( 2 Thessalonians 3:10). It is also written , "a little sleep ,a little slumber ,a little folding of the hands, and thy poverty shall be upon thee as an armed man"(Proverb24:33)

You must work . You must be diligent. God will not feed the lazy , and neither will He supply His riches to those who use religion and prayer as an excuse

rightdata:
Many Christians in religious countries and not so religious countries are still in poverty. What do you think is the reason for this? Let's talk.

The reason is clear, faithful saints have one major characteristics They are not eager to make money.
Psalm 16:2-4
O my soul, thou hast said unto the LORD,
Thou art my Lord:
my goodness extendeth not to thee;
But to the saints that are in the earth,
and to the excellent, in whom is all my delight.
Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god:
their drink offerings of blood will I not offer,
nor take up their names into my lips.
Though there are other saints that God bless even though they are not eager for money.

Jashub:
It is written " let him who will not labor , let him not eat " ( 2 Thessalonians 3:10). It is also written , "a little sleep ,a little slumber ,a little folding of the hands, and thy poverty shall be upon thee as an armed man"(Proverb24:33)

2. You must work . You must be diligent. God will not feed the lazy , and neither will He supply His riches to those who use religion and prayer as an excuse

1. So are you insinuating that Jesus Christ was wrong in suggesting that we no longer labor for food/bread that perishes - John 6 vs 25 - 33 ?

2. Notice I keep asking what kind of "work" it is that one much do with diligence, and you still have yet to make yourself clear.

rightdata:
Many Christians in religious countries and not so religious countries are still in poverty. What do you think is the reason for this? Let's talk.

Many reasons, background, ignorance, lack of discipline, lack of diligence, limitations, time, no care etc.

Kobojunkie:
1. So are you insinuating that Jesus Christ was wrong in suggesting that we no longer labor for food/bread that perishes - John 6 vs 25 - 33 ?

2. Notice I keep asking what kind of "work" it is that one much do with diligence, and you still have yet to make yourself clear.

Lol, it is not talking about physical bread.
Come on you are not this low.
Even Jesus shared bread and fish, he did the last supper.

Kobojunkie:
1. So are you insinuating that Jesus Christ was wrong in suggesting that we no longer labor for food/bread that perishes - John 6 vs 25 - 33 ?

2. Notice I keep asking what kind of "work" it is that one much do with diligence, and you still have yet to make yourself clear.

There is no insinuation here : work is something that must be done in order to maintain yourself in this life . If we did not work, no one , I repeat , no one will be able to feed or even spread the gospel . That is a fact.

In Genesis, God said "from the sweat of thy brow will thy eat " .

And what kind of work is required ? Any kind of work . So long as it is legal and pure in the sight of God and man .

Here is an example: "Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest."( Ecclesiastes 3:10)

Jashub:
1. There is no insinuation here : work is something that must be done in order to maintain yourself in this life . If we did not work, no one , I repeat , no one will be able to feed or even spread the gospel . That is a fact.

2. In Genesis, God said "from the sweat of thy brow will thy eat " .

3. And what kind of work is required ? Any kind of work . So long as it is legal and pure in the sight of God and man .

4. Here is an example: "Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest."( Ecclesiastes 3:10)

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2. That was God's curse on mankind, one of the curses which rendered the works of our hands unholy, and of the Judgment God sent Jesus Christ to redeem man from.

3. But work done in submission to God's curse in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22 is not pure/holy in the sight of God, again the reason why God sent Jesus Christ to redeem men from it.

4. You forget that under God’s Old Covenants, He allowed the israelites to work for perishable food on all days except the Sabbath day, the day they were not allowed to do work hence a major reason why the Sabbath is called a Holy Day - a day the people were not to submit to the curse - they were to rest from everything, almost literally lie down and do nothing.

So you see, there is need to infact have understanding of what work it is you keep insinuating one has to do diligently. Anyone who works for perishable food/bread does so in submission to God's curse and that is against Jesus Christ this since He was sent to redeem this who will submit and obey Him instead from that very same curse.

Kobojunkie:
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2. That was God's curse on mankind, one of the curses which rendered the works of our hands unholy, and of the Judgment God sent Jesus Christ to redeem man from.

3. But work done in submission to God's curse in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22 is not pure/holy in the sight of God, again the reason why God sent Jesus Christ to redeem men from it.

4. You forget that under God’s Old Covenants, He allowed the israelites to work for perishable food on all days except the Sabbath day, the day they were not allowed to do work hence a major reason why the Sabbath is called a Holy Day - a day the people were not to submit to the curse - they were to rest from everything, almost literally lie down and do nothing.

So you see, there is need to infact have understanding of what work it is you keep insinuating one has to do diligently. Anyone who works for perishable food/bread does so in submission to God's curse and that is against Jesus Christ this since He was sent to redeem this who will submit and obey Him instead from that very same curse.

It seems you are confused . Ecclesiastes 3:10 says "whatever thy hand findeth to do , do it with all diligence . So what other work are you asking for ? Or are you saying we should not work ? Lol...answer

Jashub:
It seems you are confused . Ecclesiastes 3:10 says[b] whatever thy hand findeth to do , do it with all diligence[/b]. So what other work are you asking for ? Or are you saying we should not work ? Answer

And as I explained ... under God’s Old Covenants, He allowed the israelites to work for perishable food on all days except the Sabbath day, the day they were not allowed to do work hence a major reason why the Sabbath is called a Holy Day - a day the people were not to submit to the curse - they were to rest from everything, almost literally lie down and do nothing.

So you see, there is need to infact have understanding of what work it is you keep insinuating one has to do diligently. Anyone who works for perishable food/bread does so in submission to God's curse and that is against Jesus Christ this since He was sent to redeem this who will submit and obey Him instead from that very same curse.

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Your verse from Ecclesiastes suggests that the work to be done diligently is "Whatever your hand findeth to do" but jesus Christ says instead, in John 6 vs 25 - 33, that it is only work that yields food that endures to eternity, which only He can give, is the kind of work that His followers are to do. So is Jesus Christ wrong in this?

And if we are to take an example from God's Sabbath law for instance, and Jesus Christ did promise His followers Rest, even resting falls under work that God gives His followers. So rest diligently?.

Kobojunkie:
And as I explained ... under God’s Old Covenants, He allowed the israelites to work for perishable food on all days except the Sabbath day, the day they were not allowed to do work hence a major reason why the Sabbath is called a Holy Day - a day the people were not to submit to the curse - they were to rest from everything, almost literally lie down and do nothing.

So you see, there is need to infact have understanding of what work it is you keep insinuating one has to do diligently. Anyone who works for perishable food/bread does so in submission to God's curse and that is against Jesus Christ this since He was sent to redeem this who will submit and obey Him instead from that very same curse.

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Your verse from Ecclesiastes suggests that the work to be done diligently is "Whatever your hand findeth to do" but jesus Christ says instead, in John 6 vs 25 - 33, that it is only work that yields food that endures to eternity, which only He can give, is the kind of work that His followers are to do. So is Jesus Christ wrong in this?

Kobo , it is either you are confused , or you just want to argue for the sake of being foolish.

And except you want to deny this , the bible is explicitly God's revelation on how man is to conduct himself here (on earth ). Which is why it is written that " All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness," (2Timothy 3:16).

If the bolded is true, then why would you question me on what Eccelesiastes 3:10 says about the type of labor ? Or is honest labor now a curse ? If yes, then throw that phone of yours away because it was bough through the labor of someone else who you tag as "cursed labor ".


Just remember , that honest labor is not a curse , for if it were , Paul(in his epistle) would never have said he who would not labor , let him not eat

Jashub:
If the bolded is true, then why would you question me on what Eccelesiastes 3:10 says about the type of labor ? Or is honest labor now a curse ? If yes, then throw that phone of yours away because it was bough through the labor of someone else who you tag as "cursed labor ".

Just remember , that honest labor is not a curse , for if it were , Paul(in his epistle) would never have said he who would no labor , let him not eat

So what you insist instead is that So long as it is honest,this by man's standard, it is work to be done diligently?

And in saying so, you believe Jesus Christ is wrong in His demand in John 6 vs 25 - 33 that those who belong to Him do no longer even that they consider honest but instead that work with yields only food that endures to eternity which only He can give them?

Kobojunkie:
So what you insist instead is that So long as it is honest,this by man's standard, it is work to be done diligently?

And in saying so, you believe Jesus Christ is wrong in His demand in John 6 vs 25 - 33 that those who belong to Him do no longer even that they consider honest but instead that work with yields only food that endures to eternity which only He can give them?

Junkie, you are confusing yourself

Kobojunkie:
So what you insist instead is that So long as it is honest,this by man's standard, it is work to be done diligently?

And in saying so, you believe Jesus Christ is wrong in His demand in John 6 vs 25 - 33 that those who belong to Him do no longer even that they consider honest but instead that work with yields only food that endures to eternity which only He can give them?

Honest work is pure before God . It is from honest work you are able to feed the needy and the orphan. It is from honest work that we are commanded to bless the Lord in offerings and tithes . It from honest work that missionaries are able to preach the gospel . It is from honest work that bibles are printed for the sake of the gospel . It is from that same honest work that you are able to hold your mobile device. If it were not for honest work, you would not even be a Christian let alone a mobile phone holder.

Eccelesiastes 3:10 has told us to find work and do it diligently. I do that and I am using it to bless my God and those who are in His congregation.

Jesus in His day knew the value of labor , which is why He paid taxes. Women even provided for Him from their labors(Luke8:3) . If He were against work , He would have admonished those women in scripture.

Jashub:
1. Honest work is pure before God .

▪︎It is from honest work you are able to feed the needy and the orphan.
▪︎It is from honest work that we are commanded to bless the Lord in offerings and tithes .
▪︎It from honest work that missionaries are able to preach the gospel .
▪︎It is from honest work that bibles are printed for the sake of the gospel .
▪︎ It is from that same honest work that you are able to hold your mobile device. If it were not for honest work, you would not even be a Christian let alone a mobile phone holder.

Eccelesiastes 3:10 has told us to find work and do it diligently. I do that and I am using it to bless my God and those who are in His congregation.

2. Jesus in His day knew the value of labor , which is why He paid taxes. Women even provided for Him from their labors(Luke8:3) . If He were against work , He would have admonished those women in scripture.

1. Where in scripture is this claim of yours that Honest work is pure/Holy before God lifted from please?

2. Jesus Christ did pay taxes but Nowhere are we told that He worked for food that perishes in order that He might pay His taxes.

3. Did Luke 8 vs 3 in fact state that the women provided for Jesus Christ from their labors - work done for food that perishes - so?

Again, why do you not believe what Jesus Christ says in John 6 vs 25 - 33 at all?

Kobojunkie:
1. Where in scripture is this claim of yours that Honest work is pure/Holy before God lifted from please?

2. Jesus Christ did pay taxes but Nowhere are we told that He worked for food that perishes in order that He might pay His taxes.

3. Did Luke 8 vs 3 in fact state that the women provided for Jesus Christ from their labors - work done for food that perishes - so?

Again, why do you not believe what Jesus Christ says in John 6 vs 25 - 33 at all?

You are just cramming, no understanding atall.

Kobojunkie:
1. Where in scripture is this claim of yours that Honest work is pure/Holy before God lifted from please?

2. Jesus Christ did pay taxes but Nowhere are we told that He worked for food that perishes in order that He might pay His taxes.

3. Did Luke 8 vs 3 in fact state that the women provided for Jesus Christ from their labors - work done for food that perishes - so?

Again, why do you not believe what Jesus Christ says in John 6 vs 25 - 33 at all?

You ask very ridiculous questions. In the old and new Testament, Christians as well as Jews offered to God tithes and offering from their labors. This is honest work . And it was called "the first fruit offering ". Now I ask you a question: was this an abomination before God ? If yes, show me a passage to confirm this.

2. Jesus paid taxes . Why ? To set an example for His followers. So why should you not work to fulfill that same example?

3. Women indeed provided for Jesus from their resource(aka labors ) . You can check that out . And if it does not sit well with you, tear it out of your bible .

4. I believe in what Jesus says by reading the whole bible and getting the bigger picture of His message . I do not believe in reading one verse to understand a broader topic that goes beyond an actual Revelation