I've been wandering what the judgement line will look like on the so called judgement day, when the creator will be judging the created.

Can the creator judge its own creation, does it make sense?

The concept of God as the creator (of All), and Satan (the stubborn virus); is it rational?

I think the creator of All should be responsible for All.

I think being the creator of All, nothing should exist outside such and it'll be impossible for such entity to judge anything. That will amount to judging itself, or what do you think?

When I say God, I mean that which is before anything. It's like saying No-thing in which every-thing exists. Like the boundless space that holds the universe in place.

Certainly the creator must be in a space to create. So, who made the first space? Are the created and the creator in the same space?

Or, is the creator the created at the same time?

I'm just curious because all tales of beginning and creation I've heard and read are not meant for adults, they are not suitable for grown ups.

How can I create All and at the same time set my creation against one another just for me to punish some and reward some. Is this not brain-twisting?

Can anyone capture my imagination?

Where is the judgement coming from?

Or, is this what beliefs are all about?

On that day, we will know.

godog:
1. I've been wandering what the judgement line will look like on the so called judgement day, when the creator will be judging the created. Can the creator judge its own creation, does it make sense?

The concept of God as the creator (of All), and Satan (the stubborn virus); is it rational? I think the creator of All should be responsible for All.

I think being the creator of All, nothing should exist outside such and it'll be impossible for such entity to judge anything. That will amount to judging itself, or what do you think?

2. I'm just curious because all tales of beginning and creation I've heard and read are not meant for adults, they are not suitable for grown ups. How can I create All and at the same time set my creation against one another just for me to punish some and reward some. Is this not brain-twisting? Can anyone capture my imagination? Where is the judgement coming from? Or, is this what beliefs are all about?

They say ignorance is not bliss but I see Nigerians never don get the memo on that.

1. The judgement which you pretend to speak boldly of here is in fact detailed in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. There won't be any long judgement lines sins individuals will, as Jesus Christ explained, be separated into two groups... sheep and goats....with criteria spelt out as indicated b Jesus Christ right there in that there passage.

The standard is righteousness and those who are righteous are sealed by God's own Spirit so there is nothing like a situation where you have each stand before a judge to answer questions about past deeds and all that gunk.

In addition, only those who are born-again will qualify for that judgment to come this since only those who are born-again can enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1 - 8, where Jesus Christ is King over Heaven and over Hell as you are informed in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46.

So unbelievers have no part in the judgement to come..

2. Stop spending your mental energy on unverified tales as that makes you look no different than those who spin them. Read the book so you can actually ask questions that make sense and ponder more serious issues in your spare time there.

Kobojunkie:
They say ignorance is not bliss but I see Nigerians never don get the memo on that.

1. The judgement which you pretend to speak boldly of here is in fact detailed in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. There won't be any long judgement lines sins individuals will, as Jesus Christ explained, be separated into two groups... sheep and goats....with criteria spelt out as indicated b Jesus Christ right there in that there passage.

The standard is righteousness and those who are righteous are sealed by God's own Spirit so there is nothing like a situation where you have each stand before a judge to answer questions about past deeds and all that gunk.

In addition, only those who are born-again will qualify for that judgment to come this since only those who are born-again can enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1 - 8, where Jesus Christ is King over Heaven and over Hell as you are informed in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46.

So unbelievers have no part in the judgement to come..

2. Stop spending your mental energy on unverified tales as that makes you look no different than those who spin them. Read the book so you can actually ask questions that make sense and ponder more serious issues in your spare time there.

Says the creator

godog:
Says the creator

So the opinions born of the mind of the many ignorant men make more sense to you then?

Kobojunkie:
So the opinions born of the mind of the many ignorant men make more sense to you then?

The Bible you hold was created by opinions of men, ignorance is not bliss yet you don’t know that Bible LITERALLY means collection of books?
Who collected those books? Who determines which book was worth collecting? Have you heard of canonization? Who created the trinity concept?
All these are opinions of ignorant men.

Kobojunkie:
So the opinions born of the mind of the many ignorant men make more sense to you then?

You need not bother what makes sense to me.

Your submission wore a garment of conclusion which is against my style of reasoning.

I belief nothing except that which I feel, neither do I give a fixed answer to any question.

My post wasn't born out of confusion or want of dogmatic answers, rather it's a whistle to the reasonable minds.

Of course you aren't unreasonable but your submission isn't malleable. To be sincere, I don't know what to make of your submission and I'm not that desperate for answer (not from human like me), so no need for me asking for clarity.

We are who we are

godog:

Can the creator judge its own creation, does it make sense?

Why not? Is that not what you have been doing in choosing Honda over Toyota? Or iPhone over Samsung?

godog:

The concept of God as the creator (of All), and Satan (the stubborn virus); is it rational?

Did you not have a clean laptop and PCs until one day a thing called "virus" was made and came to mess it up?

godog:

I think the creator of All should be responsible for All.

And part of that responsibility is to judge and remove all bad creations.

So, now you see, He is Coming to do His Job!

godog:

Certainly the creator must be in a space to create. So, who made the first space? Are the created and the creator in the same space?

Or, is the creator the created at the same time?

Are you in the same place with your mannequins and cars and pencils and and phones?

godog:

How can I create All and at the same time set my creation against one another just for me to punish some and reward some. Is this not brain-twisting?

Do you not praise and reward your phone when it doeth well?

Did you not destroy your phone when it fuqd up?

Truth be told, it is because you already know that you are a creation qualified for destruction because you do not do well.

Meanwhile, you do not want to do so.

Therefore, you really do not have any valid presentation because the ground is simply that you do not want to be punished for the evils and wickednesses you have done, like the murderers of that Sokoto student, hence your lamentations.

godog:
You need not bother what makes sense to me.

1. Your submission wore a garment of conclusion which is against my style of reasoning. belief nothing except that which I feel, neither do I give a fixed answer to any question.

2. My post wasn't born out of confusion or want of dogmatic answers, rather it's a whistle to the reasonable minds. Of course you aren't unreasonable but your submission isn't malleable. To be sincere, I don't know what to make of your submission and I'm not that desperate for answer (not from human like me), so no need for me asking for clarity.

We are who we are

1. When it comes to religious ideas, things aren't really open to interpretation. Scrpture tells you what is and either you accept it or you don't. Scripture does not show itself at you but it does require you be willing to be willing to accept what is written without injecting your personal delusions in an attempt to explain it all away in whatever fashion you chose. Where many of those who end up indoctrinated along with those who claim to be "reasonable minds" fail is both groups somehow operate under the same delusion that scripture is open to interpretation.

2. Scripture isn't malleable. The delusion that it is is what lead you to considering of worth the many bullsheet ideas from which your OP questions were based on, questions which make no sense when one considers what is in fact written in scripture as it is written.

Kobojunkie:
1. When it comes to religious ideas, things aren't really open to interpretation. Scrpture tells you what is and either you accept it or you don't. Scripture does not show itself at you but it does require you be willing to be willing to accept what is written without injecting your personal delusions in an attempt to explain it all away in whatever fashion you chose. Where many of those who end up indoctrinated along with those who claim to be "reasonable minds" fail is both groups somehow operate under the same delusion that scripture is open to interpretation.

2. Scripture isn't malleable. The delusion that it is is what lead you to considering of worth the many bullsheet ideas from which your OP questions were based on..

You don’t believe the scriptures, you are cherry picking which part to use and the Bible VERSIONS to use, in the earliest writing of the scriptures(Dead Sea scroll) see what they said about Elohim and Yahweh, if you truly believe the scripture as it is, and not to interpretations in various VERSIONS why are you not willing to accept this too?

Kobojunkie:
1. When it comes to religious ideas, things aren't really open to interpretation. Scrpture tells you what is and either you accept it or you don't. Scripture does not show itself at you but it does require you be willing to be willing to accept what is written without injecting your personal delusions in an attempt to explain it all away in whatever fashion you chose. Where many of those who end up indoctrinated along with those who claim to be "reasonable minds" fail is both groups somehow operate under the same delusion that scripture is open to interpretation.

2. Scripture isn't malleable. The delusion that it is is what lead you to considering of worth the many bullsheet ideas from which your OP questions were based on, questions which make no sense when one considers what is in fact written in scripture as it is written.

What makes you think what I wrote up there is about religion?

And if it is, is your religion the mouthpiece for all religions?

Have you forgotten this is religion section, not Christian section.

I don't need to tell you what I think of religion generally but your submission doesn't make you better than any other believer of whatever religion.

That was an open post up there which I don't think any healthy mind should find repulsive. Are you so insecure with what you believe?

I'm talking about why the division in a single creation, you're talking about what a scripture says.

If you're satisfied with what a scripture says, must you impose it on me?

If reasoning to you is delusion, so be it. The land is wide enough for all trees to grow.

Your sense isn't my sense.

godog:
What makes you think what I wrote up there is about religion?
And if it is, is your religion the mouthpiece for all religions?
Have you forgotten this is religion section, not Christian section. ..

So your mention of the creator, judgement day, judgement line even....has nothing to do with the religion that the idea is typically associated with .I.e. Christianity?

godog:
I've been wandering what the judgement line will look like on the so called judgement day, when the creator will be judging the created.

My bad then!

Dtruthspeaker:


Why not? Is that not what you have been doing in choosing Honda over Toyota? Or iPhone over Samsung?



Did you not have a clean laptop and PCs until one day a thing called "virus" was made and came to mess it up?



And part of that responsibility is to judge and remove all bad creations.

So, now you see, He is Coming to do His Job!



Are you in the same place with your mannequins and cars and pencils and and phones?



Do you not praise and reward your phone when it doeth well?

Did you not destroy your phone when it fuqd up?

Truth be told, it is because you already know that you are a creation qualified for destruction because you do not do well.

Meanwhile, you do not want to do so.

Therefore, you really do not have any valid presentation because the ground is simply that you do not want to be punished for the evils and wickednesses you have done, like the murderers of that Sokoto student, hence your lamentations.

I would have loved to engage you constructively but what's the point.

If you can wean yourself of dogmatic fluid for a moment and contemplate what it means to be the creator of ALL things, you will understand that your analogy is myopic and prejudiced.

When your imagination is wider and your mind is more accommodating, you will appreciate the intent of my post.

I hate nothing, so rest your mind I'm not what you think, rather you are what you think.

Kobojunkie:
So your mention of the creator, judgement day, judgement line even....has nothing to do with the religion that the idea is typically associated with .I.e. Christianity? My bad then!

So judgement day is only Christian ideology?

Is this all nairaland have to offer?

godog:
So judgement day is only Christian ideology?

Is this all nairaland have to offer?

Where in my response there do you find this claim of it being only of Christian ideology?.

Kobojunkie:
Where in my response there do you find this claim of it being only of Christian ideology?.

The scriptures you are using, where do you get them?
Are they imaginative writings?

godog:

I would have loved to engage you constructively but what's the point.

If you can wean yourself of dogmatic fluid for a moment and contemplate what it means to be the creator of ALL things, you will understand that your analogy is myopic and prejudiced.

When your imagination is wider and your mind is more accommodating, you will appreciate the intent of my post.

I hate nothing, so rest your mind I'm not what you think, rather you are what you think.

I will learn from any one who is better than me but that means that such person must reasonable and validly prove that in deed, he has a better opinion.

Therefore, tango with me if you think you have a very solid thinking on this topic of Creator and creation.

Thus, did you not pass judgement over your creation Honda vs Toyota? Or iPhone vs Samsung?

Was your laptop not first CLEAN and viruse free until one day a thing called "virus" was made and introduced to it to mess it up?

And have you not judged your creation bad and fit for destruction?

And, are you in the same place with your mannequins and cars and pencils and and phones?

And d you not praise and reward your phone when it doeth well?

Did you not destroy your phone, pencils mannequins when they fuq up?

Are these not how you exercise power over your creations? Oya, over to you!

Kobojunkie:
Where in my response there do you find this claim of it being only of Christian ideology?.

I can see your responses are full of references from other belief systems.

Your responses shows your operating system, do I need a special skill to know that?

A robot cannot function beyond its OS, that's what religion mean.

Do I have problem with that? NO

But I don't appreciate how your narrow perspective as the first commenter deny this open thread of its purpose.

It's ok anyway

Dtruthspeaker:


I will learn from any one who is better than me but that means that such person must reasonable and validly prove that in deed, he has a better opinion.

Therefore, tango with me if you think you have a very solid thinking on this topic of Creator and creation.

Thus, did you not pass judgement over your creation Honda vs Toyota? Or iPhone vs Samsung?

Was your laptop not first CLEAN and viruse free until one day a thing called "virus" was made and introduced to it to mess it up?

And have you not judged your creation bad and fit for destruction?

And, are you in the same place with your mannequins and cars and pencils and and phones?

And d you not praise and reward your phone when it doeth well?

Did you not destroy your phone, pencils mannequins when they fuq up?

Are these not how you exercise power over your creations? Oya, over to you!

Your analogy is faulty and I will not engage you until you can see.

Contemplate more on what it means to be the creator of ALL.

YOUR problem is the world creator which is very inappropriate in this stance.

Computer and virus have creators and there is a user.

Creation out of nothing is totally a different scenario.

Think

godog:
I can see your responses are full of references from other belief systems.
Your responses shows your operating system, do I need a special skill to know that?
A robot cannot function beyond its OS, that's what religion mean.
Do I have problem with that? NO
But I don't appreciate how your narrow perspective as the first commenter deny this open thread of its purpose.
It's ok anyway

Again....So your mention of the creator, judgement day, judgement line even....has nothing to do with the religion that the idea is typically associated with .I.e. Christianity?

If Christianity is not your main reason then you should be specific with your mention given that there are over 40,000 different religions out there whose beliefs even in regards to the "creator" do not align at all. .

Kobojunkie:
Again....So your mention of the creator, judgement day, judgement line even....has nothing to do with the religion that the idea is typically associated with .I.e. Christianity?

You are trying too hard, we have hundreds of religion that talks about judgement day, remember even Christianity came from Judaism, and Judaism from yahwish and so on and so forth.
You’ve goofed.

godog:

Your analogy is faulty and I will not engage you until you can see.

Contemplate more on what it means to be the creator of ALL.

YOUR problem is the world creator which is very inappropriate in this stance.

Computer and virus have creators and there is a user.

Creation out of nothing is totally a different scenario.

Think

Meaning, you know you would not be able to prove your case seeing that I refuse to be blind like you, especially as this issue is based on undisputable certainties.

It is indispensably certain that a creator created the computer Clean and virus free.

It is undisputably certain that another creator created a virus used to attack computers.

And the user is still both the creator of the computer and the creator of the virus, therefore, we have all the views that is reasonably there to see and can therefore arrive at a perfect and accurate judgement on them.

But, obviously you are not interested in arriving at a right judgement, which is why your presentation has no valid ground.

But you already knew this the minute I came and pointed out your errors which you knew you could not counter but were hoping it would go undetected and unchallenged, hence your complaint and refusal to prove your case.

Kobojunkie:
They say ignorance is not bliss but I see Nigerians never don get the memo on that.

1. The judgement which you pretend to speak boldly of here is in fact detailed in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. There won't be any long judgement lines sins individuals will, as Jesus Christ explained, be separated into two groups... sheep and goats....with criteria spelt out as indicated b Jesus Christ right there in that there passage.

The standard is righteousness and those who are righteous are sealed by God's own Spirit so there is nothing like a situation where you have each stand before a judge to answer questions about past deeds and all that gunk.

In addition, only those who are born-again will qualify for that judgment to come this since only those who are born-again can enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1 - 8, where Jesus Christ is King over Heaven and over Hell as you are informed in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46.

So unbelievers have no part in the judgement to come..

2. Stop spending your mental energy on unverified tales as that makes you look no different than those who spin them. Read the book so you can actually ask questions that make sense and ponder more serious issues in your spare time there.

Actually the saying is ignorance is bliss

Dtruthspeaker:


Truth be told, it is because you already know that you are a creation qualified for destruction because you do not do well.

Meanwhile, you do not want to do so.

Therefore, you really do not have any valid presentation because the ground is simply that you do not want to be punished for the evils and wickednesses you have done, like the murderers of that Sokoto student, hence your lamentations.

Up here is the last part of your first submission on this thread.

It was so difficult for me to mention you because if I'm to judge your personality by what you wrote up there, I wouldn't dare mentioning you at all.

It is the highest degree of shallowness I've seen; thinking someone is trying to escape judgement by seeking public opinion for validation.

Your Honda, Toyota crabs are easier to forgive, at least they are your thinking but you assume everyone has the same preference because majority do.

How do you expect me to engage someone with such a horrible sense of judgement in a meaningful dialogue?

You said I don't want to be punished for the evil and wickedness I've done like the killing in sokoto, just because I open a thread for refreshing dialogue.

Are you that obtuse not to know that moderation is part of being intelligent?

How do you convince me that if I engage you in a dialogue ( even though I owe you no explanation), you will not frustrate the whole thing with your selective myopia?

If my post appear so unnecessary and dull for you, what do we make of such a mawkish submission of yours up there?

What does it matter if we agree on a topic or not. Life continues either way. What points are you trying to score? That you know better or what?

I will address the fault in your submission presently in relation to the topic I tabled,using your computer analogy, for the sake of this thread.

suicidesheep:
Actually the saying is ignorance is bliss

That is the problem.... ignorance however, is not bliss, this since those jgnorance suffer in their ignorance.

The old saying js incorrect and has been replaced is what.

Kobojunkie:
That is the problem.... ignorance however, is not bliss, this since those jgnorance suffer in their ignorance.

The old saying js incorrect and has been replaced is what.

That’s true those in ignorance suffer in ignorance,
Elohim is the father of Yahweh.

Kobojunkie:
That is the problem.... ignorance however, is not bliss, this since those jgnorance suffer in their ignorance.

The old saying js incorrect and has been replaced is what.

Even if the ignorants are suffering they wouldn't know they are suffering, hence the statement

Kobojunkie:
That is the problem.... ignorance however, is not bliss, this since those jgnorance suffer in their ignorance.

The old saying js incorrect and has been replaced is what.

Ignorance is not bliss, people suffer in ignorance.
Y’all were first called chrestian by Tertulian, the Roman Catholic further edited it to Christian.
Before y’all were first called “Chrestian” what were y’all referred to? Nazarene. Who are the Nazarenes that existed before Latin Jesus was born!
“Jesus Christ” does not exist it’s a product of Roman Catholic. The correct thing “Is Christ” Christ is a title not a person!

suicidesheep:
Even if the ignorants are suffering they wouldn't know they are suffering, hence the statement

The main is there is nothing blissful about there condition as they have even more worries, many of them caused by their ignorance

Kobojunkie:
The main is there is nothing blissful about there condition as they have even more worries, many of them caused by their ignorance

They can’t be worried about what they don’t know, do you know what ignorance mean?

Kobojunkie:
Again...

It's okay kobojunkie, this isn't my reason for opening this thread, I'm also a believer just that my own belief accommodates All as a single creation.

I judge nothing even when they don't agree with my stand. Things I don't understand, I let them be.

My religion is reasoning, I'm not static, I belief that, for anything to have existed there must be a reason for it.

I know many questions beg for answer if we remove judgement but I refused to judge anything because they are what they are.

A human child raised in a community of chimpanzee will think itself a chimpanzee unless human intervene.

You're not your belief so don't be too rigid; thinking every existential questions must be explained through a particular dogma.

Everything grows if you're very observant. The belief you so much cherished today was once dominated by barbarism. It wouldn't have happened if reasonable souls haven't intervened.

Jesus was murdered for blasphemy because his concept of god is more liberal than what typical Israelites were programmed with.

You're doing the same unconsciously, even though you're not using weapons. Using your belief as the standard for judgement for all is a mental equivalent to barbarism.

Finding contrary opinions or beliefs nauseating is a symptom of intolerance, it's an advanced form of robotism.

I belief we all are a single process because we all exist in a single space which doesn't discriminate.

You will do well by ignoring my treads if you're not comfortable with my view.

I condemn no belief, and I support none.

Reasoning is my belief and I don't need members.

godog:


It's okay kobojunkie, this isn't my reason for opening this thread, I'm also a believer just that my own belief accommodates All as a single creation.

I judge nothing even when they don't agree with my stand. Things I don't understand, I let them be.

My religion is reasoning, I'm not static, I belief that, for anything to have existed there must be a reason for it.

I know many questions beg for answer if we remove judgement but I refused to judge anything because they are what they are.

A human child raised in a community of chimpanzee will think itself a chimpanzee unless human intervene.

You're not your belief so don't be too rigid, thinking every existential questions must be explained through a particular dogma.

Everything grows if you're very observant. The belief you so much cherished today was once dominated by barbarism. It wouldn't have happened if reasonable souls haven't intervened.

Jesus was murdered for blasphemy because his concept of god is more liberal than what typical Israelites were programmed with.

You're doing the same unconsciously, even though you're not using weapons. Using your belief as the standard for judgement for all is a mental equivalent to barbarism.

Finding contrary opinions or beliefs nauseating is a symptom of intolerance, it's an advanced form of robotism.

I belief we all are a single process because we all exist in a single space which doesn't discriminate.

You will do well by ignoring my treads if you're not comfortable with my view.

I condemn no belief, and I support none.

Reasoning is my belief, I don't need members.

Hope you know Elohim is different from Yahweh?