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Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Afam4eva(m): 6:34pm On Jul 16, 2011
I still believe that the present day Igbo, Hausa and Yoruba people come from different tribes that are unrelated with them. But those people assimilated with them. That's why they're called ethnic groups and not tribes. Ethnic group is a combination of people with similar but not the same cultures while tribes are made of of peeps that are as similar as they come. That's how i see it.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by odumchi: 8:42pm On Jul 16, 2011
My thoughts exactly. Bu twhy do you think they all developed large populations especially when there are other groups out there with much more land but onyl a fraction of their population?

afam4eva:

I still believe that the present day Igbo, Hausa and Yoruba people come from different tribes that are unrelated with them. But those people assimilated with them. That's why they're called ethnic groups and not tribes. Ethnic group is a combination of people with similar but not the same cultures while tribes are made of of peeps that are as similar as they come. That's how i see it.

Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by pleep(m): 5:22am On Jul 24, 2011
Great topic, I especially agree with your analysis of the Hausa. There is this one thread that discusses that in detail. One unfortunate fellow, pagan 9ja learned he was Hausa by assimilation.   tongue

I had an huge argument with a poster named ibibio girl about the differences between ibibio, annang and efik. On this topic I made a while back: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-609355.32.html we also talk about aro-Igbo and why annang & ibibio think they are different. I think you may find it interesting, tell me who u think won  grin

anyway, I personally belive that annang, ibibio & efik are absolutly the same ethnic group. The differences are caused by proximity other niegboring groups. Efik cultural differences come from ekoi ppl ( who also practice epke) and annang/ ibibio differences come from proximity to the Igbo. Just like sone Igbo subgroups like the ibeno have cultural differences from the main igbo group because of proximity to the annang & ibibio. (like the fattening room practiced by Mgbede igbos )

In the 50's annang was even called " western ibibio" and efik was called " eastern ibibio"
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by pleep(m): 5:53am On Jul 24, 2011
Oh I see you were already on that thread. The arochukwu supremacist grin grin haha I remember now.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by odumchi: 5:47am On Jul 25, 2011
@Pleep

LOL, yes I was there already. grin

But I agree that the Ibibio, Efik and Annang can be the same. Their languages are slightly different and their culture is also similar. Yeah, its unfortunate that Pagan had to find out the hard way. Who knows what his ethnicity might have been before the pre-Hausa days. And how many ethnicites Nigeria might have had if these three different groups didnt unite so many different peoples? Maybe 1000+?
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by pleep(m): 5:55am On Jul 25, 2011
unfortunate that Pagan had to find out the hard way. Who knows what his ethnicity might have been before the pre-Hausa days.
lol kanuri or tuareg. I hope he doesn't read this grin

many ethnicites Nigeria might have had if these three different groups didnt unite so many different peoples? Maybe 1000+?
yea I think so too. Anyway thank God they united. Cuz things are bad enuf with just 250 groups.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by odumchi: 6:40am On Jul 25, 2011
pleep:

lol kanuri or tuareg. I hope he doesn't read this grin

yea I think so too. Anyway thank God they united. Cuz things are bad enuf with just 250 groups.

grin grin grin
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by PAGAN9JA(m): 9:26am On Jul 25, 2011
odumchi:

@Pleep

LOL, yes I was there already. grin

But I agree that the Ibibio, Efik and Annang can be the same. Their languages are slightly different and their culture is also similar. Yeah, its unfortunate that Pagan had to find out the hard way. Who knows what his ethnicity might have been before the pre-Hausa days. And how many ethnicites Nigeria might have had if these three different groups didnt unite so many different peoples? Maybe 1000+?



WAT BULL NONSENSE IS THIS angry angry

@pleep, i read that. how dare u ppl call me Kanuri wa Turaregh?? angry angry angry angry angry angry    the touareg had different Gods and also Kanuri. angry

the Maguzawa are the true Hausa. everyone knows that. we are not assimilated ppls. we look Hausa, speak Hausa , ARE HAUSA, the only difference is our beliefs. we are lyk our Woodabe brothers from the Fulani. we do not recognise islam. we have retained the traditions of our ancestors and will continue to do so.  angry angry


also if the Hausa had assimilated us from another tribe, then I would have been muslim now.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by odumchi: 8:15pm On Jul 25, 2011
^^^^
You werent always Hausa you know. Your people might have been part of the Kanem Borno empire and migrated to Hausaland for several reasons. Islam has nothing to do with this. The majority of Hausas were Animists until Usman Dan Fodio launched his Jihad in the 1800s. Before then, only Hausa elite (kings, nobles, and the rich) practiced Islam.

It's highly possible that your people might have migrated to Hausaland after it's Islamatization explaining why you aren't muslim. Also, Islam doesnt preach forceful conversion so your ancestors might have chosen to remain animists. Generally the benefit of being a Muslim was exemption from taxes. But Pleeps right, more than Half of the now "Hausa" people weren't originally Hausa.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by PAGAN9JA(m): 11:41pm On Jul 25, 2011
^^^^^^^^

NO i think you are not even human. i just told u lyk FOR THE LAST TIME, [size=16pt]I AM MAGUZAWA[/size].

there were no other tribe like ours in Kanem Borno. Also, another proof is that the scarification on our face is the same as that from the descent of early Haussa Sarkis like Sarkin Baagudah, Sarkin Giijmeesu, Sarkin Yeranagiji, etc. also, our Gods have Hausa names, so these cant have been Hausaized since that woulde be sacrilege. also our 3 Priests are known as Sarkis, for the farm, the rituals and the bush.

and you are contradicting yourself here by saying ïslam doesnt preach forceful conversion . if so, then Dan Fodio would never have carried his jihad so extensively in order to force the Hausa Sarkis to abandon traditional practices lyk Bori and belief in the Babaku. untill about 200 years back, most Hausa states had Bori as the state religion and had many women Bori Priestesses and the villages were mostly Pagan. islam was fading way by this time.
however Dan Fudio stopped this. angry angry angry angry

Today the old Hausa Gods are only worshipped by us Maguzawa and the Hausa Mawri of Niger and they even today practice the Pagan Azna festival in the Sarkindoms of Konni, Dogondutchi and I think, even Gobir.
Gobir ofcourse, tried to resist Dan Fodio's islamic jihad, under the brave Sarkin Yunfa who defeated Dan Fodio at the Battle of Suuntuva killing 2000 muslims.

so EVEN TODAY, 95% of Hausa are purebred Hausa. the rest 5% are mixed, mostly with them Fulani ppls. tongue

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Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by odumchi: 1:21am On Jul 26, 2011
Cool down.

Theres no such thing as pure-breed Hausa. The original Hausa people were based in Sokoto, Kano and some parts of Souther Niger. Their population grew in the same process that i explained to you earlier, or atleast thats what i think. Hausa is spoken by non-Hausas all throughout West Africa. Who knows, in a few centuries they too might be fully "Hausaized".

But, i digress.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by PAGAN9JA(m): 9:36am On Jul 26, 2011
^^^^

Cool down wat cool down angry angry
do you have any idea, the number of times I had to prove that we Maguzawa are Haussa just because our religion is different angry  if you were in my place, you wouldnt cool down. its like you are forcing a different identity on me.' angry angry

and no they wont, because we usually use Hausa as a link language. but NO. they wont become Hausaized. you go too fast.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by PhysicsQED(m): 7:09pm On Jul 26, 2011
@ odumchi


PAGAN 9JA's group is not "assimilated Hausa." In fact, Maguzawa and Bunjawa are just the names for those groups of Hausas that did not convert to Islam. They are not some sort of separate "tribe" from Hausa in terms of ethnicity. It's just a religious difference.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by odumchi: 8:13pm On Jul 26, 2011
@ Pagan

I didnt know you were Maguzawa prior to this thread.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by PAGAN9JA(m): 1:11am On Jul 27, 2011
^^^^

PhysicsQED:

@ odumchi


PAGAN 9JA's group is not "assimilated Hausa." In fact, Maguzawa and Bunjawa are just the names for those groups of Hausas that did not convert to Islam. They are not some sort of separate "tribe" from Hausa in terms of ethnicity. It's just a religious difference.


i thank the divine light for relieving me of this suffering. now i can pass on to the otherworld in piece. tongue
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by PAGAN9JA(m): 1:12am On Jul 27, 2011
PAGAN 9JA:

^^^^^^^^

NO i think you are not even human. i just told u lyk FOR THE LAST TIME, [size=16pt]I AM MAGUZAWA[/size].

there were no other tribe like ours in Kanem Borno. Also, another proof is that the scarification on our face is the same as that from the descent of early Haussa Sarkis like Sarkin Baagudah, Sarkin Giijmeesu, Sarkin Yeranagiji, etc. also, our Gods have Hausa names, so these cant have been Hausaized since that woulde be sacrilege. also our 3 Priests are known as Sarkis, for the farm, the rituals and the bush.

and you are contradicting yourself here by saying ïslam doesnt preach forceful conversion . if so, then Dan Fodio would never have carried his jihad so extensively in order to force the Hausa Sarkis to abandon traditional practices lyk Bori and belief in the Babaku. untill about 200 years back, most Hausa states had Bori as the state religion and had many women Bori Priestesses and the villages were mostly Pagan. islam was fading way by this time.
however Dan Fudio stopped this. angry angry angry angry

Today the old Hausa Gods are only worshipped by us Maguzawa and the Hausa Mawri of Niger and they even today practice the Pagan Azna festival in the Sarkindoms of Konni, Dogondutchi and I think, even Gobir.
Gobir ofcourse, tried to resist Dan Fodio's islamic jihad, under the brave Sarkin Yunfa who defeated Dan Fodio at the Battle of Suuntuva killing 2000 muslims.

so EVEN TODAY, 95% of Hausa are purebred Hausa. the rest 5% are mixed, mostly with them Fulani ppls. tongue



@Odumchi, is my writing too small or do i have to increase the font size
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by pleep(m): 2:14am On Aug 04, 2011
Pagan9ja i am very very interested in what maguzawa life is like. Do you have another video of it like that wodabee vid?
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Nobody: 4:53pm On Aug 04, 2011
Each of the 3 ethnic groups = Sum of tribes

Here is a useful explanation from a paper written by Aderemi Ajala --
http://www.africapeace.org/home/content/o/l/u/oluwakorede/html/images/file/Yoruba_Nationalist_Movement.pdf

" It could be said rather that the Yoruba people in Nigeria are a cultural group that has over the years, especially when the conceived and perceived sense of marginalization is high, imagined themselve as a nation. Since the people are not entirely culturally homogenous, it is doubtful if certain elements of a nation exist among them. The Yoruba are made up of about 23 sub-groups which use about eight distinct versions (dialects) of Yoruba languages that are not entirely mutually intelligible. While these dialects are often referred to as the Yoruba dialects, some of them that are really mutually intelligible may be referred to as different languages. While it is agreed that all of them belong to the same language group – Kwa division of Niger-Kordofanian-- some of them like Igbomina, Oyo, Egba, Ilorin, Ibolo; Ijebu and Remo among others that have higher degree of mutual intelligibility may be regarded as dialects"

"The eight distinct languages used in the Yoruba territory are:
1. Oyo with Igbomina, Egba, Ilorin, O’kun and Oke-ogun derivations, mostly used in the North, West, East and Central regions;
2. Ife spoken in the Central region;
3. Ijesa spoken in the Central-eastern region;
4. Ilaje with Ikale, mostly used in the South-eastern region;
5. Ondo with Akoko and Owo derivations spoken in the Eastern regions;
6. Ekiti spoken in the East-western region;
7. Ijebu spoken in the East-southern region;
8. Egun with Awori derivation spoken in the Southern region.

Each of these language groups remains largely incomprehensible to the other, suggesting the absence of mutual intelligibility
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by tpia5: 5:59pm On Aug 04, 2011
any particular reason why the thread is yet again fixated on yoruba?

@egeurilla

tales by moonlight.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Nobody: 6:18pm On Aug 04, 2011
tpia@:

any particular reason why the thread is yet again fixated on yoruba?

@egeurilla

tales by moonlight.

And precisely what value have you added?
I presented an example of why I consider each of these ethnic groups the sum of multiple tribes and your response is: "tales by the moonlight"

Go ahead and wallow in your state of unreason
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by tpia5: 6:19pm On Aug 04, 2011
^^you must be crazy if you consider what you typed "examples".

probably never left your bush prior to getting a visa to nowhereistan, and you now want to run mouth like locomotive.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Nobody: 6:30pm On Aug 04, 2011
tpia@:

^^you must be crazy if you consider what you typed "examples".

probably never left your bush prior to getting a visa to nowhereistan, and you now want to run mouth like locomotive.

The fingers of a man who has only 9 are not to be counted in his presence - go figure grin
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by tpia5: 6:32pm On Aug 04, 2011
^^i'll say. undecided


if people start analyzing your own 7 fingers no doubt it would be a problem.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Nobody: 6:43pm On Aug 04, 2011
Ha, I see you managed to figure that one out, there is hope of arresting the evident signs of retardation then.

Infantilism on the web requires a certain disposition; and as I do not possess this, I’d rather stick to the focus of this thread smiley
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by tpia5: 6:45pm On Aug 04, 2011
^^you'd be better off sticking to the focus of your hometown. wink
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Nobody: 7:36pm On Aug 04, 2011
Here is what Aliyu Bunza had to say on evolution of the Hausa ethnic group.

http://www.liv.ac.uk/history/research/Hausa_identity/Abstracts_Hausa_Norwich.pdf
The term Hausa, or Hausawa, is only used with outsiders who are censed to ignore the configuration of local identities, or by people (e.g. slave descendants) trying to conceal their status under the pretext of belonging to a loosely defined – and therefore highly incorporative – category, ‘Hausa’. But the category ‘Hausa’ does not indicate a historically or culturally unified group. Paradoxically, one could say that those who claim to be ‘real’ Hausa (as opposed to recently Hausanised people) are never just ‘Hausa’. They belong to specific, named, subgroups (in the Ader, these include groups like the Magorawa, Djibalawa, Bageyawa, Tarimawa, etc.), which are native speakers of Hausa and share some sociological characteristics. The category ‘Asna’ stands out, as it incorporates a subset of groups commonly credited with autochthony, or at least with ancient settlement in the region.

Once again, we are shown why any discussion on the population of this group has to acknowledge its constituent parts.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Nobody: 8:06pm On Aug 04, 2011
Ndi Igbo has as many as 17 subgroups (what might otherwise be considered tribes), so this factor has to be considered in any discussion about its current population.
Unfortunately, I currently do not have the paper, written by van den Bersselaar (Univ. of Liverpool), which deals with how the various subgroups have coalesced over time.

It is unfortunate that these 3 groups as well as many others - which can so easily be classified as Nations in their own right - were not only forced into an artificial arrangement but partitioned across nation-states.
Poser for @OP; given the large population of these groups, do we regard the cup as half-empty or half-full?
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Adeboyefa(f): 5:29pm On Oct 18, 2015
Still wondering why Yorubas in Benin are not added to Yorubas in Nigeria's population. We're almost alike.

This is a Yoruba from Benin, no difference from ones in Nigeria; same dance steps too. Well a lil accent in the Yoruba there.

Some say Yorubas in Benin are the authentic Yorubas

Yoruba woman from Benin

[flash=400,400]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPY2IO-uQ2o?version=3&hl=en_US[/flash]
That is the work of the Europeans who partitioned Africa anyhow. Some Yorubas were placed in Benin Republic and others in Nigeria. Some Hausas and Fulanis were placed in Nigeria and others in Niger,Chad,Mali,Burkina Faso,Senegal,etc.
odumchi:

Yoruba:
The Yorubas, like their Hausa counterparts, also had strong communal traditions. Much of Yorubaland has been united twice, first under the Yoruba kings of Ife and Oyo and twice under the Binis. The Yorubas had minor trading cities but trade did not play as much importance in its culture as it did to the other two. With the empire secure, and all Yoruba speakers united under one ruler, the people were free to multiply and expand, and with the arrival of Islam, polygamy spread much further allowing for a large population boom.
Polygamy has been part of Yoruba (and African) tradition long before the arrival of Islam. It is Christianity that brought monogamy.
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by lawani: 2:00pm On Nov 25, 2018
I read somewhere that kano was speaking a nupoid language in the 15th century. Babalawos of the yoruba also greet ejiogbe with saaki a nupoid greeting
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by ArlinAddington: 5:00pm On Nov 25, 2018
lawani:
I read somewhere that kano was speaking a nupoid language in the 15th century. Babalawos of the yoruba also greet ejiogbe with saaki a nupoid greeting

Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by Ifiokumo: 6:56pm On Nov 25, 2018
The question is how did Igbo, Yoruba, and Hausa find themselves in the same "NATION", when they are on their own ancient and larger than 70% of nations around the world....

Imagine North Korea, Spain, and Oman all in the same country put together forcefully by colonialist and called a derogatory name (Nigger Area) by the conquerors...


IMAGINE THAT:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRC-jr7R6U&t=678s
Re: How Did The Populations Of The Igbo, Hausa, And Yoruba Come To Be So Large? by lawani: 7:53pm On Nov 25, 2018
Ifiokumo:
The question is how did Igbo, Yoruba, and Hausa find themselves in the same "NATION", when they are on their own ancient and larger than 70% of nations around the world....

Imagine North Korea, Spain, and Oman all in the same country put together forcefully by colonialist and called a derogatory name (Nigger Area) by the conquerors...
Nigeria will disintegrate but we need to work hard for it.


IMAGINE THAT:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRC-jr7R6U&t=678s

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