Kobojunkie:
What I said is I, like so many others out have come to accept death as being a part of the life cycle. Explain to me how that is pretentious.

Death isn't Love neither is Calamity mercy but they are both parts of life which Love created.

As for God behaving in what you consider a non-loving way sometimes, I believe you are terribly mistaken in your reasoning. The statement "God is Love" implies God is the standard, the definition of Love. Any other standard that falls short of God is not Love and is hence not loving.

It is pretentious because you we are talking generally here and you are only talking about how you will feel.
Edit: I was thinking of another post when I wrote my earlier post. Sorry.

You earlier likened death and calamity to God's love or God being a personification of love. You drew that parrallel. If God is love then what is love? What are the features of love?

kimco:
1. It is pretentious because you we are talking generally here and you are only talking about how you will feel.
Edit: I was thinking of another post when I wrote my earlier post. Sorry.

2. You earlier likened death and calamity to God's love or God being a personification of love. You drew that parrallel.

3. If God is love then what is love? What are the features of love?

1. I don't understand. Are you saying that because the marjority choose to fear death, means the view of those who don't is pretentious?

2. I didn't liken Death and Calamity to God's Love. You should re-ead my response to you again.

Kobojunkie:
Death has ever been beyond us humans, and in some cultures death is revered and acknowledged as a pivotal part of life hence of love.

Calamity has been a mystery since the beginning. It is fo humanity and equally accepted and expected aspect of reality. To this end we have built systems and industries to individuals, companies, and peoples pick up the pieces even after its waves have subsided. We don't understand it all but we accept it as a part of life and living..

Against another human, I would exercise my power, and even rights I have by law, but against Calamity and or Death itself, what power or right do I have as a human?

As God, who am I?

If I am able to accept Calamity, and Death without question, why can't I accept God who Lord over Calamity and Death itself?,

instead, I pointed out that they are both part of life which is born of love. That child you claim to love so much, you knowingly conceived and brought into an existence that guarantees Calamity and Death, in the name of love. If you you me, what is pretentious is claiming to love your children yet despising Death and Calamity which are guarantees of life.

3. God is Love. The features of Love are all that God does.
▪︎ When God created man, that was love in action
▪︎ When God cursed man after he rejected God's Original plan, that was love in action
▪︎ When God denied man eternity, and let him go fend for himself on this here world, that was love in action
▪︎ when God killed the firstborn of Egypt, that was love in action
▪︎ When God drowned Pharaoh's army in the sea,that was love in action
▪︎ When God killed over 10,000 Israelites in one day out in the desert, that was love in action
▪︎ When God constituted the Nation of Israel and ratified the Law He gave as the National Constitution of the Jewish state in the Land of Israel, that was love in action
▪︎ When God commanded the annihilation of the enemies of the nation of Israel,that was love in action
.....
▪︎ When God sent two bears to maul 42 boys who stood against His prophet, a message to all in the land of israel, that was love in action
....
I can go on and on but the long and short of this is God is Love and so everything God does is love.

So you may wonder how a human can love as God loves. You do so by obeying His Law and agreement which stipulates what you need do to show Him love and to love your fellow man..

Kobojunkie:
What I said is I, like so many others out have come to accept death as being a part of the life cycle. Explain to me how that is pretentious.

Death isn't Love neither is Calamity mercy but they are both parts of life which Love created.

As for God behaving in what you consider a non-loving way sometimes, I believe you are terribly mistaken in your reasoning. The statement "God is Love" implies God is the standard, the definition of Love. Any other standard that falls short of God is not Love and is hence not loving.

kimco:
If God is love then what is love?

1 John 4:8
'The one who does not love has not become acquainted with God [does not and never did know Him], for God is love.
[He is the originator of love, and it is an enduring attribute of His nature.]'

Without knowing which of the at least 7-11 sort of loves, is talked off here, you'll struggle with trying to understand what the set phrase 'God is love' means, because you see, love comes in different shades, shapes, forms, levels, conceptualisations et cetera

kimco:
What are the features of love?

1 Corinthians 13:1-13
'1If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,
but have not love [for others growing out of God’s love for me],
then I have become only a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal [just an annoying distraction].
2And if I have the gift of prophecy [and speak a new message from God to the people],
and understand all mysteries, and [possess] all knowledge;
and if I have all [sufficient] faith so that I can remove mountains,
but do not have love [reaching out to others], I am nothing.
3If I give all my possessions to feed the poor,
and if I surrender my body to be burned,
but do not have love, it does me no good at all.
4Love endures with patience and serenity,
love is kind and thoughtful,
and is not jealous or envious;
love does not brag and is not proud or arrogant.
5It is not rude; it is not self-seeking,
it is not provoked [nor overly sensitive and easily angered];
it does not take into account a wrong endured.
6It does not rejoice at injustice,
but rejoices with the truth [when right and truth prevail].
7Love bears all things [regardless of what comes],
believes all things [looking for the best in each one],
hopes all things [remaining steadfast during difficult times],
endures all things [without weakening].
8Love never fails [it never fades nor ends].
But as for prophecies, they will pass away;
as for tongues, they will cease;
as for the gift of special knowledge, it will pass away.
9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part
[for our knowledge is fragmentary and incomplete].
10But when that which is complete and perfect comes,
that which is incomplete and partial will pass away.
11When I was a child, I talked like a child,
I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child;
when I became a man, I did away with childish things.
12For now [in this time of imperfection] we see in a mirror dimly
[a blurred reflection, a riddle, an enigma],
but then [when the time of perfection comes we will see reality] face to face.
Now I know in part [just in fragments],
but then I will know fully, just as I have been fully known [by God].
13And now there remain:
faith [abiding trust in God and His promises],
hope [confident expectation of eternal salvation],
love [unselfish love for others growing out of God’s love for me],
these three [the choicest graces]; but the greatest of these is love.'

There you have it all, the distinctive features of love (i.e. agape love aka indubitable love, even known as unmistakable love) portrayed as seen in 1 Corinthians 13:1-13 above

In relation to the set phrase, God is agape love, God is agape love, means, God is agape love, that's an epitome of indubitable love, even unmistakable love as well, aligning with all thats featured in 1 Corinthians 13:1-13 about agape love.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

MaxInDHouse:
Please just one publication where you will highlight the specific date as stated that the world will end for example
"the world will end on the 14 of June 2022"

I don't think this is hard to do than posting so much articles with no specific date as you have accused this organization!

Of course only you will look at the attached screenshot and say Watchtower never MENTIONED SPECIFIC DATE

The second pic speaks a lot about the organization that produces you

Emusan:

Of course only you will look at the attached screenshot and say Watchtower never MENTIONED SPECIFIC DATE
The second pic speaks a lot about the organization that produces you

Where is it mentioned that "the world will end" as all of you have been accusing this group?

God's Kingdom was established in Heaven in the year 1914, Jesus (Archangel Michael) with his angels waged a war against Satan and his angels {Reve 12:7-12} and ever since then the effects of this established righteousness in the heavens has been felt globally! Matt 24:3-12

So we are to endure now to the end {Matt 24:13-14} when Jesus will advance towards the earth to establish his kingdom just as he asked us to pray! Matt 6:9-10

But no specific date was mentioned regarding the END of the WORLD!

MaxInDHouse:
Where is it mentioned that "the world will end" as all of you have been accusing this group?

Just like I do say, you don't have single shame!

If you didn't see where it was stated that "...BY AT END OF 1914"

The group said the likes of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will be resurrected in 1925...

God's Kingdom was established in Heaven in the year 1914

When was this started?

You see after, boldly typing rubbish asking WHERE WAS IT MENTIONED WITH A SPECIFIC DATE, now you've mentioned the specific DATE yourself

[s]Jesus (Archangel Michael) with his angels waged a war against Satan and his angels {Reve 12:7-12} and ever since then the effects of this established righteousness in the heavens has been felt globally! Matt 24:3-12[/s]

Irrelevant!!!

You've giving us the actual SPECIFIC DATE you've been denying since

So we are to endure now to the end {Matt 24:13-14} when Jesus will advance towards the earth to establish his kingdom just as he asked us to pray! Matt 6:9-10

That's your cup of tea

But no specific date was mentioned regarding the END of the WORLD!

But you just mentioned SPECIFIC DATE above!

Oh sorry, YEAR 1914 isn't a date to the self acclaimed intelligence officer

Emusan:

Just like I do say, you don't have single shame!
If you didn't see where it was stated that "...BY AT END OF 1914"

Of course God's Kingdom was established in the heavens in the year 1914 we have all the vivid proof of that already so there's no dispute over it!

The group said the likes of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will be resurrected in 1925...
When was this started?
You see after, boldly typing rubbish asking WHERE WAS IT MENTIONED WITH A SPECIFIC DATE, now you've mentioned the specific DATE yourself

Show this forum a specific date where JWs said "THE WORLD WILL END" in any of their publications!

Irrelevant!!!
You've giving us the actual SPECIFIC DATE you've been denying since
That's your cup of tea
But you just mentioned SPECIFIC DATE above!
Oh sorry, YEAR 1914 isn't a date to the self acclaimed intelligence officer

God's Kingdom was established in heaven in the year 1914 nobody not even your pastors can deny all the evidences JWs have!

MaxInDHouse:
Of course God's Kingdom was established in the heavens in the year 1914 we have all the vivid proof of that already so there's no dispute over it!

Don't worry you're coming back to your vomit at least "YEAR 1914" is a specific DATE.

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Show this forum a specific date where JWs said "THE WORLD WILL END" in any of their publications!

I've don't that many times.

Is year 1914 a specific DATE or not?

God's Kingdom was established in heaven in the year 1914 nobody not even your pastors can deny all the evidences JWs have!

Is year 1914 a specific DATE or not that's what I'm interested in?

Emusan:

Don't worry you're coming back to your vomit at least "YEAR 1914" is a specific DATE.
I've don't that many times.
Is year 1914 a specific DATE or not?
Is year 1914 a specific DATE or not that's what I'm interested in?

My friend it's obvious you don't know what a specific date means!

1914 is a whole year of 365 days, so which of the days from January to December was mentioned by the JWs?

Of course God's Kingdom was established that year but nobody knew the SPECIFIC DATE Jesus (Archangel Michael) sent Satan and his demons out of heaven all what we're experiencing on planet earth today is the result of what occurred in heaven that year! Matt 24:3-12 compare to Reve 12:7-12

So calm down my friend the JWs truly foresaw something spectacular towards 1914 but they never mentioned a SPECIFIC DATE!

Kobojunkie:
1. I don't understand. Are you saying that because the marjority choose to fear death, means the view of those who don't is pretentious?

2. I didn't liken Death and Calamity to God's Love. You should re-ead my response to you again. instead, I pointed out that they are both part of life which is born of love. That child you claim to love so much, you knowingly conceived and brought into an existence that guarantees Calamity and Death, in the name of love. If you you me, what is pretentious is claiming to love your children yet despising Death and Calamity which are guarantees of life.

3. God is Love. The features of Love are all that God does.
▪︎ When God created man, that was love in action
▪︎ When God cursed man after he rejected God's Original plan, that was love in action
▪︎ When God denied man eternity, and let him go fend for himself on this here world, that was love in action
▪︎ when God killed the firstborn of Egypt, that was love in action
▪︎ When God drowned Pharaoh's army in the sea,that was love in action
▪︎ When God killed over 10,000 Israelites in one day out in the desert, that was love in action
▪︎ When God constituted the Nation of Israel and ratified the Law He gave as the National Constitution of the Jewish state in the Land of Israel, that was love in action
▪︎ When God commanded the annihilation of the enemies of the nation of Israel,that was love in action
.....
▪︎ When God sent two bears to maul 42 boys who stood against His prophet, a message to all in the land of israel, that was love in action
....
I can go on and on but the long and short of this is God is Love and so everything God does is love.

So you may wonder how a human can love as God loves. You do so by obeying His Law and agreement which stipulates what you need do to show Him love and to love your fellow man..

1. You don't liken love to death and calamity yet liken it anyways.

2. Yes it is pretentious when you make your claim out to be the concencus (if you didn't then you had no business referencing it.) In this argument, you niche feelings means nothing. Especially after talking a lot about "Normal".

As for the rest, I rest my case. What beautiful LOVE. Im sure if it was a human that exhibited these things we will say same. Oh Im sorry! The rules are different for God.

NNTR:


1 John 4:8
'The one who does not love has not become acquainted with God [does not and never did know Him], for God is love.
[He is the originator of love, and it is an enduring attribute of His nature.]'

Without knowing which of the at least 7-11 sort of loves, is talked off here, you'll struggle with trying to understand what the set phrase 'God is love' means, because you see, love comes in different shades, shapes, forms, levels, conceptualisations et cetera

1 Corinthians 13:1-13
'1If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,
but have not love [for others growing out of God’s love for me],
then I have become only a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal [just an annoying distraction].
2And if I have the gift of prophecy [and speak a new message from God to the people],
and understand all mysteries, and [possess] all knowledge;
and if I have all [sufficient] faith so that I can remove mountains,
but do not have love [reaching out to others], I am nothing.
3If I give all my possessions to feed the poor,
and if I surrender my body to be burned,
but do not have love, it does me no good at all.
4Love endures with patience and serenity,
love is kind and thoughtful,
and is not jealous or envious;
love does not brag and is not proud or arrogant.
5It is not rude; it is not self-seeking,
it is not provoked [nor overly sensitive and easily angered];
it does not take into account a wrong endured.
6It does not rejoice at injustice,
but rejoices with the truth [when right and truth prevail].
7Love bears all things [regardless of what comes],
believes all things [looking for the best in each one],
hopes all things [remaining steadfast during difficult times],
endures all things [without weakening].
8Love never fails [it never fades nor ends].
But as for prophecies, they will pass away;
as for tongues, they will cease;
as for the gift of special knowledge, it will pass away.
9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part
[for our knowledge is fragmentary and incomplete].
10But when that which is complete and perfect comes,
that which is incomplete and partial will pass away.
11When I was a child, I talked like a child,
I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child;
when I became a man, I did away with childish things.
12For now [in this time of imperfection] we see in a mirror dimly
[a blurred reflection, a riddle, an enigma],
but then [when the time of perfection comes we will see reality] face to face.
Now I know in part [just in fragments],
but then I will know fully, just as I have been fully known [by God].
13And now there remain:
faith [abiding trust in God and His promises],
hope [confident expectation of eternal salvation],
love [unselfish love for others growing out of God’s love for me],
these three [the choicest graces]; but the greatest of these is love.'

There you have it all, the distinctive features of love (i.e. agape love aka indubitable love, even known as unmistakable love) portrayed as seen in 1 Corinthians 13:1-13 above

In relation to the set phrase, God is agape love, God is agape love, means, God is agape love, that's an epitome of indubitable love, even unmistakable love as well, aligning with all thats featured in 1 Corinthians 13:1-13 about agape love.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

These are not features of love. This is poetry containing the word love.

The other guy gave a great list of features of God's love. He atleast was sincere.

kimco:
1. You don't liken love to death and calamity yet liken it anyways.

2. Yes it is pretentious [b]when you make your claim out to be the concencus (if you didn't then you had no business referencing it.) In this argumen[/b]t, you niche feelings means nothing. Especially after talking a lot about "Normal".

3. As for the rest, I rest my case. What beautiful LOVE. Im sure if it was a human that exhibited these things we will say same. Oh Im sorry! The rules are different for God.

1. You tell me how you liken Love, a greater power, to Death and Calamity?

2. That would be you, not me. I simply explained that not everyone out there fears Death, as you assume and pretend it is. Some actually revere Death and Calamity, while others accept it for the aspect of existence that it is.

3. As I said, God is beyond is humans. His standard higher than our human standard so it is nonsensical to try to judge him by human standards.

kimco:
These are not features of love.

You really think all those arent features of agapé love (i.e. indubitable love, even known as unmistakable love)

Remember that I advanced the fact and distinction about the particular type of love talked here, is agapé love aka indubitable love, even known as unmistakable love.

Please why not you then, give your version understanding of what are features, aspects or example of agape love aka indubitable love, even known as unmistakable love. Hmm?

kimco:
This is poetry containing the word love.

There are at least 20 varied types of love. The one talked of here about God is agapé love, aka indubitable love, even known as unmistakable love.

Having put that point out, kimco, please give a list of all the types of love you're familiar with

kimco:
The other guy gave a great list of features of God's love.

God is agapé love or vice versa

kimco:
He at least was sincere.

Sincerity, is not just to say everything you think, but backed with factual information, to mean everything you say. Sincerity is always subject to proof. Sincerity - if you can fake that, then you've got it made

Now, nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance, and it saps the very foundation of good character. Sincerity does not and cannot substitute for truth.

As your point(s), become sounder, case to be sincere, becomes less necessary. Sincerity is not test of truth – no evidence of correctness. You may take poison sincerely believing, it the needed medicine, but will it save your life?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

cor 13 does give some characteristics or features of love
for example:
enduring in the faith with patience and serenity is Love
being kind is love
being thoughtful is Love
gladness of the truth is Love

cor 13 also gives some examples of what is not love:
love is not selfish
Love is not easily provoked
love is not puffed up
Love doesn't envy
Love doesn't have evil thoughts