Inquisitive Universe:
Good evening all, I said I'll show up to talk about why some phones support PES and others do not.

So I'll divided the talk into two parts:

I'll do the bulk of it today and finish up tomorrow.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaMFxziDk3Y

Most of the things I'm going to say are already well known by the big men here as well as anyone else who's been in this group since January.

I find it funny that the people who used to go out of their way to fight me both on Facebook and Nairaland have disappeared into their holes. Especially when eFootball popped.

The folks who said specs are not important. Go and buy the phone and test first. That crew. They've all disappeared.

Are specs important now? Ehn marketers?

iOS devices like iPads, iPods and iPhones are very straightforward to understand as clearly stated on the screenshot.

Android on the other hand is not.

Why?

This is because Android is a jumbled mess of different parts from different manufacturers that are cobbled up together into one device.

Let's take my Redmi Note 9 Pro for example.

The SoC made by Snapdragon with blueprint from ARM. The RAM is made by Samsung, the LCD display is made by Tianma, software from Google, cameras by Samsung and OmniVision etc.

All of these different components were put together by Xiaomi to give us the Redmi Note 9 Pro.

So when it comes to android, there's no universal rule book to use. Lots of people talk about android as if they're referring to a singular entity which is wrong.

Android is not a phone. It is the largest operating system by user count in the world today.

And if you don't look it closely, you won't understand it.

It's not as simple as "my friend's android is playing this game why is my own not playing it? My own must play it, give me a magic solution.

After all android na android."

It is very sad that too many people have this really closed mindset, so much so that they're unteachable.

Even two Android devices from the same company will behave very different. This is especially true for all those Samsung people.

The ones that are willing to go and buy Samsung A02 because Samsung is above every other android. Then they'll be wondering why their phone doesn't support eFootball.

The Samsung S series and the A series are two very different entities.

The Redmi Note * pro and the regular Redmi and Redmi Note devices are very different things.

So why do people make these somewhat silly mistakes?

Because of a glorification of ignorance. Knowledge doesn't matter. Especially when ignorant mobs gather and make fun of the person trying to tell them facts.

I don't want to go too deep into all that.

But the takeaway is that specs are the fundamental information about any device.

It is this information that will let you know what the devices can or cannot do.

In this case let's look at PES and the requirements that they brought for Android.

Software: Android 7.0 or above

Memory: 2GB or above

CPU: ARM based quad core or above

Clock speed: 1.5GHz or above

GPU:

These are the specs that Konami have put out and when I saw them, I laughed.

Why?

Because these are the same specs that Tencent put out for PUBG 4 years ago.

The only difference being that the android version was 5.0 minimum and clock speed was 1.3GHz minimum.

I raised the issue on Reddit and Nairaland but as usual nobody paid any attention. It was only on the blog that people started asking...

Would phone a support the game?

Would phone b support the game?

Would phone c support the game?

And I answered as best as I could.


The rest people simply didn't care. Their phones met the minimum requirements.

Then the game dropped and we started seeing message like...

My phone met the minimum requirements, but it doesn't work. Somebody help.

At this point, I was vindicated that the so called requirements were a scam and truly undersold the needed parameters that a phone would need to run PES.

Funnily enough, if you check the bottom of the screenshot, there's a disclaimer there that many people failed to read.

So it would be easy for me to come and just tell you that phone A will support but phone B will not support.

That's what a lot of people are expecting but I would not be doing you a lot of good if I did that.

Not at all.

I want you to know the reason behind these things and then give you the tools to figure it out all by yourself even without my input.

In this whole mess of people feeling cheated and very angry.

I'd like to say the following. Konami doesn't hate Android and Android is not a phone.

The problem is that eFootball is a shrunken down version of the console/PC game.

It is huge. About 3.3GB.

As a result, it needs a lot of power to be able to process it.

And the part of your phone that processes data is the SoC. The system on a chip.

The system on a chip is what we call the processor. The proper name is actually a smartphone SoC or system on a chip.

The SoC is named that way because it is an entire system. It contains an entire system of CPUs that helps a phone carry out it's tasks

The main parts of an SoC that are strongly related to gaming are the main CPU cores and the GPU.

The CPU installs, loads and processes the apps and games. The GPU is what displays the graphics on the screen.

If the CPUs are weak, they will be unable to run the game correctly. In fact in many cases, they will be unable to install the game.

We've seen this practically with PES.

This is not just about PES but also other games like PUBG mobile for example or call of duty or Fortnite.

Even Apex legends sef won't work if the CPUs or GPUs are not up to the task.

Even if the CPUs were able to handle the task and could install the game, if the GPUs are not powerful enough to render graphics, there'll be problems as well.

I'll never forget that app called GFX tool.

That app helped me downgrade PUBG Graphics to the level that my PowerVR GE8100 on the Tecno Pouvoir 2 could play.

So like I said SoC is the main computing hub on a smartphone that processes data especially for games.

The main parts are the CPUs and the GPU.

CPU strength is easy to understand.

Very easy.

Starting from the weakest, we have

A7, A9


A53, A55


A72, A73, A75, A76, A77, A78, X1


A510, A710, X2


Anything below A53 will struggle to play PES.

Why?

Because these CPUs are old and weak. They are not equipped to handle the load that the eFootball brings.

Some of you may be getting lost at this point and start thinking "I don't understand this thing oh".

So this is the main reason why many phones are unable to run PES or eFootball. This is because they use ARM Cortex A53 CPUs that are weak.

Now there are some exceptions to this rule.

Only a very few ARM Cortex A53 CPUs that are clocked over 2.0GHz will run the game but only for now.

Phones like Nokia 3.4 with Snapdragon 460 or Infinix Hot 10i are able to run the game due to their superior SoCs.

So if you take a look at the the CPUs in use here, you can see very well that they A73 for the Nokia 3.4 and A75 for the Hot 10i.

So this is where I pack the bus for this evening.

I'll be back to conclude tomorrow.

Leave comments and feedback lemme know where you understood or didn't understand.

Thank you for coming and good evening.

https://inquisitiveuniverse.com/2022/06/08/why-some-phones-support-efootball-and-others-do-not/

Remember when I was lagging on my Tecno pouvoir 2
Now I'm cruisinb in note 10 pro max
The only weak point of this phone is the GPU, the Adreno 618

The 732g Is a beast but my GPU keeps dragging it down

atheistandproud:
Inquisitive Universe:
Good evening all, I said I'll show up to talk about why some phones support PES and others do not.

So I'll divided the talk into two parts:

I'll do the bulk of it today and finish up tomorrow.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaMFxziDk3Y

Most of the things I'm going to say are already well known by the big men here as well as anyone else who's been in this group since January.

I find it funny that the people who used to go out of their way to fight me both on Facebook and Nairaland have disappeared into their holes. Especially when eFootball popped.

The folks who said specs are not important. Go and buy the phone and test first. That crew. They've all disappeared.

Are specs important now? Ehn marketers?

iOS devices like iPads, iPods and iPhones are very straightforward to understand as clearly stated on the screenshot.

Android on the other hand is not.

Why?

This is because Android is a jumbled mess of different parts from different manufacturers that are cobbled up together into one device.

Let's take my Redmi Note 9 Pro for example.

The SoC made by Snapdragon with blueprint from ARM. The RAM is made by Samsung, the LCD display is made by Tianma, software from Google, cameras by Samsung and OmniVision etc.

All of these different components were put together by Xiaomi to give us the Redmi Note 9 Pro.

So when it comes to android, there's no universal rule book to use. Lots of people talk about android as if they're referring to a singular entity which is wrong.

Android is not a phone. It is the largest operating system by user count in the world today.

And if you don't look it closely, you won't understand it.

It's not as simple as "my friend's android is playing this game why is my own not playing it? My own must play it, give me a magic solution.

After all android na android."

It is very sad that too many people have this really closed mindset, so much so that they're unteachable.

Even two Android devices from the same company will behave very different. This is especially true for all those Samsung people.

The ones that are willing to go and buy Samsung A02 because Samsung is above every other android. Then they'll be wondering why their phone doesn't support eFootball.

The Samsung S series and the A series are two very different entities.

The Redmi Note * pro and the regular Redmi and Redmi Note devices are very different things.

So why do people make these somewhat silly mistakes?

Because of a glorification of ignorance. Knowledge doesn't matter. Especially when ignorant mobs gather and make fun of the person trying to tell them facts.

I don't want to go too deep into all that.

But the takeaway is that specs are the fundamental information about any device.

It is this information that will let you know what the devices can or cannot do.

In this case let's look at PES and the requirements that they brought for Android.

Software: Android 7.0 or above

Memory: 2GB or above

CPU: ARM based quad core or above

Clock speed: 1.5GHz or above

GPU:

These are the specs that Konami have put out and when I saw them, I laughed.

Why?

Because these are the same specs that Tencent put out for PUBG 4 years ago.

The only difference being that the android version was 5.0 minimum and clock speed was 1.3GHz minimum.

I raised the issue on Reddit and Nairaland but as usual nobody paid any attention. It was only on the blog that people started asking...

Would phone a support the game?

Would phone b support the game?

Would phone c support the game?

And I answered as best as I could.


The rest people simply didn't care. Their phones met the minimum requirements.

Then the game dropped and we started seeing message like...

My phone met the minimum requirements, but it doesn't work. Somebody help.

At this point, I was vindicated that the so called requirements were a scam and truly undersold the needed parameters that a phone would need to run PES.

Funnily enough, if you check the bottom of the screenshot, there's a disclaimer there that many people failed to read.

So it would be easy for me to come and just tell you that phone A will support but phone B will not support.

That's what a lot of people are expecting but I would not be doing you a lot of good if I did that.

Not at all.

I want you to know the reason behind these things and then give you the tools to figure it out all by yourself even without my input.

In this whole mess of people feeling cheated and very angry.

I'd like to say the following. Konami doesn't hate Android and Android is not a phone.

The problem is that eFootball is a shrunken down version of the console/PC game.

It is huge. About 3.3GB.

As a result, it needs a lot of power to be able to process it.

And the part of your phone that processes data is the SoC. The system on a chip.

The system on a chip is what we call the processor. The proper name is actually a smartphone SoC or system on a chip.

The SoC is named that way because it is an entire system. It contains an entire system of CPUs that helps a phone carry out it's tasks

The main parts of an SoC that are strongly related to gaming are the main CPU cores and the GPU.

The CPU installs, loads and processes the apps and games. The GPU is what displays the graphics on the screen.

If the CPUs are weak, they will be unable to run the game correctly. In fact in many cases, they will be unable to install the game.

We've seen this practically with PES.

This is not just about PES but also other games like PUBG mobile for example or call of duty or Fortnite.

Even Apex legends sef won't work if the CPUs or GPUs are not up to the task.

Even if the CPUs were able to handle the task and could install the game, if the GPUs are not powerful enough to render graphics, there'll be problems as well.

I'll never forget that app called GFX tool.

That app helped me downgrade PUBG Graphics to the level that my PowerVR GE8100 on the Tecno Pouvoir 2 could play.

So like I said SoC is the main computing hub on a smartphone that processes data especially for games.

The main parts are the CPUs and the GPU.

CPU strength is easy to understand.

Very easy.

Starting from the weakest, we have

A7, A9


A53, A55


A72, A73, A75, A76, A77, A78, X1


A510, A710, X2


Anything below A53 will struggle to play PES.

Why?

Because these CPUs are old and weak. They are not equipped to handle the load that the eFootball brings.

Some of you may be getting lost at this point and start thinking "I don't understand this thing oh".

So this is the main reason why many phones are unable to run PES or eFootball. This is because they use ARM Cortex A53 CPUs that are weak.

Now there are some exceptions to this rule.

Any ARM Cortex A53 CPUs that are clocked over 2.0GHz will run the game but only for now.

Phones like the Redmi 9C with Helio G35 will run the game because they are overclocked for gaming purposes. The A53 CPUs on the G35 run at a whopping 2.3GHz.

This is why they're able to run the game.

Phones like Nokia 3.4 with Snapdragon 460 or Infinix Hot 10i are able to run the game due to their superior SoCs.

So if you take a look at the the CPUs in use here, you can see very well that they A73 for the Nokia 3.4 and A75 for the Hot 10i.

So this is where I pack the bus for this evening.

I'll be back to conclude tomorrow.

Leave comments and feedback lemme know where you understood or didn't understand.

Thank you for coming and good evening.

https://inquisitiveuniverse.com/2022/06/08/why-some-phones-support-efootball-and-others-do-not/

true, but anything with only cortex a53 core is shitty and will struggle to run anything.

Moreover you saying android is a mess because they use different part from different manufacturers is nonsense.
That's the same with Apple and all computing devices, smartphone, computers.

Apple also use ARM'S architecture, their camera are produced by different company, screen too.

shezy14:
true, but anything with only cortex a53 core is shitty and will struggle to run anything.

Moreover you saying android is a mess because they use different part from different manufacturers is nonsense.
That's the same with Apple and all computing devices, smartphone, computers.

Apple also use ARM'S architecture, their camera are produced by different company, screen too.

closes eyes and breathes in

First of all, wrong use of the word "but". You really should learn how to use interjections correctly because you have said nothing new.

Secondly, Apple uses custom cores based or ARM's arch. If you understood what that means, you would not wake up this morning and type nonsense on someone else's post.

Apple executes very tight control over their production process. Yes, the Apple do not produce their own cameras and only recently did they begin to use displays from Samsung.

Did you care to mention how Apple makes these companies write the firmware to run smoothly with iOS? or how Apple builds it's own software top to bottom?

Did you care to mention how Apple builds it's own SoCs from customs cores in-house so much so that their SoCs behave very differently from other ARM based SoCs?

No. You could only mention camera and display and all of a sudden, you have the temerity to call what someone else researched and wrote nonsense?

With halfbaked knowledge. Only on Nairaland sha.

ScienceStudents:
Remember when I was lagging on my Tecno pouvoir 2
Now I'm cruisinb in note 10 pro max
The only weak point of this phone is the GPU, the Adreno 618

The 732g Is a beast but my GPU keeps dragging it down

There's really nothing wrong with the Adreno 618. It's at the perfect level to complement the A76 cores on the SD732G.

If you think SD732G is awesome, wait till you handle a phone using Cortex A78 CPUs like the Poco F3 with the SD870....

so Mr proud what are you suggesting..
should we all upgrade to iPhone since android phones are made up of different part from different manufacturers

bamdly:
so Mr proud what are you suggesting..
should we all upgrade to iPhone since android phones are made up of different part from different manufacturers

This is why the Nigerians will continue to fail IELTS because of a lack of English comprehension. Simple comprehension.

A post about SPECS.

Premise A: Apple oversees the entire process of making their phones so their SPECS ARE EASIER to understand.

Premise B: Android OEMs on the other hand source parts from very different manufacturers and put them together. Thus their SPECS ARE HARDER to understand.

Conclusion from a Nigerian: So we should go and buy iPhone?

Wonderful! Absolutely wonderful. I cannot cry at this point so I'll laugh.

See, if all you gained from the entire article is that quoted comment above then I see no reason to continue engaging you.

atheistandproud:


This is why the Nigerians will continue to fail IELTS because of a lack of English comprehension. Simple comprehension.

A post about SPECS.

Premise A: Apple oversees the entire process of making their phones so their SPECS ARE EASIER to understand.

Premise B: Android OEMs on the other hand source parts from very different manufacturers and put them together. Thus their SPECS ARE HARDER to understand.

Conclusion from a Nigerian: So we should go and buy iPhone?

Wonderful! Absolutely wonderful. I cannot cry at this point so I'll laugh.

See, if all you gained from the entire article is that quoted comment above then I see no reason to continue engaging you.

Easy easy easy... I know it's hard to teach and impact knowledge.

atheistandproud:


There's really nothing wrong with the Adreno 618. It's at the perfect level to complement the A76 cores on the SD732G.

If you think SD732G is awesome, wait till you handle a phone using Cortex A78 CPUs like the Poco F3 with the SD870....

F3 Is superior bt I'd still call the 732g awesome.

WhatCanIsay:


Easy easy easy... I know it's hard to teach and impact knowledge.

I am not even pissed sef. Just tired.

To know iPhones that can run an app, just say iPhone 6S and above for example. It's easy.

We all know that A12 Bionic is better than A11 and better than A10, and so on.

But with android devices, between Exynos 1280 and SD765G, which one is better, off the top of your head?

You won't know right now till you check. That's why it's harder. That's what I was trying to explain.

But they just twisted my words out of context. He even called me proud .

As in... totally uncalled for.

Younext:
F3 Is superior bt I'd still call the 732g awesome.

And you're fully entitled to.

Okayyy, I think I now understand why some games hangs on my stupid device. I play house flipper and anytime I launch the app, few minutes into gameplay it just hangs. Mind you, the device doesn't hang as I can still drag the notification bar effortlessly but the game just freezes or other times, the game crashes like when I was playing FIFA, it will just go home by itself. Omo na to save up for better fone now make man mind rest. Jeff I know this would annoy you but I'll still ask, suggest a device for me, you know an all-rounder

Mhimi007:
Okayyy, I think I now understand why some games hangs on my stupid device. I play house flipper and anytime I launch the app, few minutes into gameplay it just hangs. Mind you, the device doesn't hang as I can still drag the notification bar effortlessly but the game just freezes or other times, the game crashes like when I was playing FIFA, it will just go home by itself. Omo na to save up for better fone now make man mind rest. Jeff I know this would annoy you but I'll still ask, suggest a device for me, you know an all-rounder

Black Shark 5 Pro

Nubia Red Magic

Asus ROG

Lenovo Legion

Motorola RAZR

Mhimi007:
Okayyy, I think I now understand why some games hangs on my stupid device. I play house flipper and anytime I launch the app, few minutes into gameplay it just hangs. Mind you, the device doesn't hang as I can still drag the notification bar effortlessly but the game just freezes or other times, the game crashes like when I was playing FIFA, it will just go home by itself. Omo na to save up for better fone now make man mind rest. Jeff I know this would annoy you but I'll still ask, suggest a device for me, you know an all-rounder

Let me guess your current device,

from the stables of "cheap and affordable" the undisputed champions in the game, the 5g , NFC, SoC grade, are useless in nigeria,

mobile gaming is useless, get a console

the "android na android" PLC as long as my chinko install candy crush like ur samsung, then leave it

let me stop here, but na word i tok so. and you know deep in ur heart dat i know the brand of device

trans××××

lets avoid WW3

atheistandproud:

Black Shark 5 Pro
Nubia Red Magic
Asus ROG
Lenovo Legion
Motorola RAZR

how the hell can you heartlessly omit the best of them all
the best is
POV× 2 (runs out)

Youre using an itel p35 and you got angry because it cant run PES 22

You ditched it and went for Redmi 9a
and after you couldnt run PES 22 properly, you enter nairaland and create a thread like "dam you xiaomi i regret ditching out my itel"

what exactly is the color of your problem


You ditched it and went for Samsung Ao2
same thing.

and you say .no be the overhyped samsung be this

My dear comrade you need Jesus.

skywalker240:

Let me guess your current device,

from the stables of "cheap and affordable" the undisputed champions in the game, the 5g , NFC, SoC grade, are useless in nigeria,

mobile gaming is useless, get a console

the "android na android" PLC as long as my chinko install candy crush like ur samsung, then leave it

let me stop here, but na word i tok so. and you know deep in ur heart dat i know the brand of device

trans××××

lets avoid WW3

just insult me direct. Nor dey go through corner

skywalker240:

how the hell can you heartlessly omit the best of them all

the best is

POV× 2 (runs out)

who be this guy sef

@atheististandproud please ignore those fools up there all they know is the camera is clear and the battery is strong that’s why they keep buying rubbish.

skywalker240:

how the hell can you heartlessly omit the best of them all

the best is

POV× 2 (runs out)

I hear say Povx 3 don come out sef

Povx dey on e own na Skywalker240 stray bullet knack am.

atheistandproud:


I am not even pissed sef. Just tired.

To know iPhones that can run an app, just say iPhone 6S and above for example. It's easy.

We all know that A12 Bionic is better than A11 and better than A10, and so on.

But with android devices, between Exynos 1280 and SD765G, which one is better, off the top of your head?

You won't know right now till you check. That's why it's harder. That's what I was trying to explain.

But they just twisted my words out of context. He even called me proud .

As in... totally uncalled for.

you're obviously an apple fan boy, I don't know how you'll be looking for fault where there isn't. We could say the same about Intel and AMD. Their are many core i3 far better than core i5 but you also won't know till you check.

And as far as I'm concerned iphone 6s, iphone 7, iphone 7s are all shitty phones

atheistandproud:


This is why the Nigerians will continue to fail IELTS because of a lack of English comprehension. Simple comprehension.

A post about SPECS.

Premise A: Apple oversees the entire process of making their phones so their SPECS ARE EASIER to understand.

Premise B: Android OEMs on the other hand source parts from very different manufacturers and put them together. Thus their SPECS ARE HARDER to understand.

Conclusion from a Nigerian: So we should go and buy iPhone?

Wonderful! Absolutely wonderful. I cannot cry at this point so I'll laugh.

See, if all you gained from the entire article is that quoted comment above then I see no reason to continue engaging you.

you're not making sense. So Samsung, Huawei and others don't oversee the process of making their phones?
Get Sense

shezy14:
you're not making sense. So Samsung, Huawei and others don't oversee the process of making their phones?
Get Sense

Another idiot here to counter what he doesn't understand.

I'm not even going to bother with you. Whatever you think, that's your bloody business. Just get off my thread.

Always learning something new from you. Nice

When friends come to meet me to ask which Samsung device to get I always tell them "if you have the money please avoid the A series and get the S series" it might be more expensive but it's worth it. To me getting the A series is like throwing your money in a trash can. The A series is needlessly Expensive! and their processors are weak at least for that price. Though they have good batteries and Camera sha which are things I don't even give a fùck about.

atheistandproud:


Another idiot here to counter what he doesn't understand.

I'm not even going to bother with you. Whatever you think, that's your bloody business. Just get off my thread.

you're the idiot, you've watched biased YouTube reviews from apple fan boys, You're now coming here to post nonsense.

shezy14:
you're the idiot, you've watched biased YouTube reviews from apple fan boys, You're now coming here to post nonsense.

Thank you. Now go away.

Deicide:
When friends come to meet me to ask which Samsung device to get I always tell them "if you have the money please avoid the A series and get the S series" it might be more expensive but it's worth it. To me getting the A series is like throwing your money in a trash can. The A series is needlessly Expensive! and their processors are weak at least for that price. Though they have good batteries and Camera sha which are things I don't even give a fùck about.

A52S and above dey good sha but prohibitively expensive.

shezy14:
you're the idiot, you've watched biased YouTube reviews from apple fan boys, You're now coming here to post nonsense.

Oga open thread na and post about tech make make we self learn..
No b to come de counter thread without proper infomation

Now now na
Waiting you come teach us now

troll any game at my phone it will run it at highest graphics poco f2 pro snapdragon 865 5G ...still a beast.

Jboynokiaphone:
troll any game at my phone it will run it at highest graphics poco f2 pro snapdragon 865 5G ...still a beast.

Because it's a flagship with a mad processor unlike all these entry level Helio A20 or A25 phones that people are buying.

No wonder they all worship iPhones.

just looking forward to efootball update 2mao ....
let see maybe I will continue my support for efootball or na to go learn dream league remain