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Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by cornelboy(f): 10:13pm On Jun 17, 2022
AntiChristian:

And you are a Jehovah Witness. Why should i be mute? Everyone has his/her own destiny!
I don't have a destiny. Anything could happen at anytime.
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by cornelboy(f): 10:20pm On Jun 17, 2022
Steep:
Simple, it is stated that the devil and all who recieve the mark of the beast would be tormented in the lake of fire.
The lake of fire is not symbolical.
Jude compared the fire that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah to Judgment in the future.
Which of means one thing that the lake of fire is real just as the fire that destroy Sodom and Gomorrah was real otherwise Jude wouldn't have compared it. However, while Sodom and Gomorrah did not suffer eternal torment in the eternal fire, sinners will suffer eternal torment in the lake of fire.
But where was it written that death and hell will be tormented?

It was not written word for word that hell and death will both be tormented but it's explicitly seen from the book of revelations that Satan, the false prophet, those that worship the beast, hell, death etc will be thrown into the same lake of fire.


You see that I have answered your question already.

So why would hell a lifeless and unconscious entity be thrown into the lake of fire?
Also why would death which is abstract be thrown into the lake of fire?

When did/will people start burning in hell fire?
Is hell fire the same as lake of fire?

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Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by AntiChristian: 6:26am On Jun 18, 2022
cornelboy:

I don't have a destiny. Anything could happen at anytime.

You're wrong! You only follow your destiny whether you like it or not.

The amount of food you'll eat before you die is known to Allah.
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by AntiChristian: 6:30am On Jun 18, 2022
GoodIsGod:


I have always known you to be a fool by your posts and responses in order to ridicule christians.
It's not an insult saying the truth. You are a big fool

I am only telling you the truth! How will you believe God performed a ritual with his son just to save other humans?

This doesn't make sense!

God is not a murderer, ritualist,...

I think you're the one Paul was referring to in Galatians 3:1.
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by cornelboy(f): 7:24am On Jun 18, 2022
AntiChristian:

You're wrong! You only follow your destiny whether you like it or not.
The amount of food you'll eat before you die is known to Allah.
I don't think so. I don't believe in your Allah and the food I eat is determined by me not anybody.

Those that are the market begging for food and are homeless, did you Allah predestined them to live like that?

Wise up.
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by cornelboy(f): 7:28am On Jun 18, 2022
AntiChristian:

I am only telling you the truth! How will you believe God performed a ritual with his son just to save other humans?
This doesn't make sense!
God is not a murderer, ritualist,...
I think you're the one Paul was referring to in Galatians 3:1.
Why do you guys adopt Abraham's sacrifice of ram?
Who are you sacrificing it to cheesy cheesy

Didn't the Israelites and Moses sacrifice animals to God according to his instructions?

Grow up from you hypocrisy.

You can't eat you cake and have it.
You guys say the Bible was written by human and corrupted but are still desperate to find the name of your prophet in the Bible. cheesy
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by Steep(m): 7:45am On Jun 18, 2022
cornelboy:


It was not written word for word that hell and death will both be tormented but it's explicitly seen from the book of revelations that Satan, the false prophet, those that worship the beast, hell, death etc will be thrown into the same lake of fire.


You see that I have answered your question already.

So why would hell a lifeless and unconscious entity be thrown into the lake of fire?
Also why would death which is abstract be thrown into the lake of fire?

When did/will people start burning in hell fire?
Is hell fire the same as lake of fire?
Answer the question and stop fidgeting here and there, where was it written that hell and death would be tormented?
Sinners and the devils would be tormented eternally but not hell and death.
Death is not just abstract same with hell.
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by Exoticfarmer: 8:47am On Jun 18, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


If Jesus already warned us that many religious leaders will emerge towards the end {Matt 24:11}


Well said, but that doesn't change the fact that God needs labourers in His harvest and He is the One Who will rightfully separate the wheat from the tares.
"Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few; Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest."(Matt.9:37,38)

" Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door." (James5:9)

and the contradictions caused by these false prophets will lead many out of the faith {Matt 24:12}

Hmmmm. But genuine faith doesn't waver.

"But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed." (from James1:6)
"That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love." (Eph.4:14-16)

definitely the only true Christian group will be singled out as evil because they maintained the same line of thought {John 17:22}


The word of God isn't monopolized
"What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?"_(1Corinth.14:36)

JW is one church out of many.
" For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."-(1Corinth.14:33)
"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: (Eph.4:11-13)

then you will notice that all others who are criticizing this single group will find it really difficult to maintain a routine of the assignment Jesus gave his disciples which is globally preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood! Matt 28:19-20 compare to Act 1:8

So even when those false religions are wrong all of them will continue to point accusing fingers to the one and only group practicing what Jesus laid down! Matt 10:22-25
The same way you point accusing fingers at them.
Hmm . And you are probably oblivious to the fact that there are other churches that are Evangelical, Righteousness-centered, Have missionaries etc. No wonder Jesus said:
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? . Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? (Matt.7:3,4)



All of them will always kick against themselves because POLITICS and RACISM will continue to lead them into killing their so called fellow believers {Reve 6:3-4} but among true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) both POLITICS, RACISM and MILITARY SERVICES will be buried {Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Zephaniah 3:9 & Psalms 46:9}

God has shown His interest in what happens of the earth time after time, especially in politics as you called it. The apathy of good people toward sensitive issues as these will only lead to a decline in sound morality on Earth.
Romans 13: 1-4: ". Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. . Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: . For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."

_never to have any impact on true disciples of Jesus Christ because they must have love among themselves! John 13:34-35; 15:12 smiley
If you fulfill the commandment of love, you are in order.
"And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us." -(1John3:23,24)

" If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: . But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. . For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." -(James2:8-10)

God bless you.
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by AntiChristian: 8:53am On Jun 18, 2022
cornelboy:

Why do you guys adopt Abraham's sacrifice of ram?
Who are you sacrificing it to cheesy cheesy

Say, "Indeed, my prayer, my rites of sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allah , Lord of the worlds. Qur'an 6 vs 162

The Sacrifice is obligatory on who is able to do it. And we don't believe the Sacrifice is to take away our sins like your Jesus.

Didn't the Israelites and Moses sacrifice animals to God according to his instructions?

Grow up from you hypocrisy.

You can't eat you cake and have it.
You guys say the Bible was written by human and corrupted but are still desperate to find the name of your prophet in the Bible. cheesy

Where is the hypocrisy here?
Something that is corrupted can still have some good in it. And where did you see me finding name of Prophet in your Bible?
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:00am On Jun 18, 2022
Exoticfarmer:

Well said, but that doesn't change the fact that God needs labourers in His harvest and He is the One Who will rightfully separate the wheat from the tares.
"Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few; Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest."(Matt.9:37,38)
" Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door." (James5:9)


Hmmmm. But genuine faith doesn't waver. "But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed." (from James1:6)
"That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love." (Eph.4:14-16)



The word of God isn't monopolized
"What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?"_(1Corinth.14:36)
JW is one church out of many.
" For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."-(1Corinth.14:33)
"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: (Eph.4:11-13)


The same way you point accusing fingers at them.
Hmm . And you are probably oblivious to the fact that there are other churches that are Evangelical, Righteousness-centered, Have missionaries etc. No wonder Jesus said:
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? . Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? (Matt.7:3,4)




God has shown His interest in what happens of the earth time after time, especially in politics as you called it. The apathy of good people toward sensitive issues as these will only lead to a decline in sound morality on Earth. Romans 13: 1-4: ". Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. . Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. . For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: . For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."


If you fulfill the commandment of love, you are in order.
"And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us." -(1John3:23,24)

" If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: . But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. . For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." -(James2:8-10)

According to Jesus of Nazareth whatever cause differences in the way we do things in worship simply means we are neighbours living in the same neighbourhood, but as for my brothers and sisters in the faith we have the same line of thought! Matthew 12:46-50

So you're my neighbour not my brother! smiley

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Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by Exoticfarmer: 9:04am On Jun 18, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


According to Jesus of Nazareth whatever cause differences in the way we do things in worship simply means we are neighbours living in the same neighbourhood, but as for my brothers and sisters in the faith we have the same line of thought! Matthew 12:46-50

So you're my neighbour not my brother! smiley
Ok.
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:06am On Jun 18, 2022
Exoticfarmer:

Ok.
Alright!
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by 1Sharon(f): 3:08pm On Jun 18, 2022
AntiChristian:


His destiny is his lifetime......Do you want me to start explaining that to you here?

Jesus didn't die. So he will come back to complete his mission. His Book will be the Qu'ran. He will defeat the dajjal, fight you people of the cross,.....die and be buried as a Muslim.

Why you no include that he will come and destroy Christianity?
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by immaculatesense(m): 6:25pm On Jun 18, 2022
AntiChristian:


I am only telling you the truth! How will you believe God performed a ritual with his son just to save other humans?

This doesn't make sense!

God is not a murderer, ritualist,...

I think you're the one Paul was referring to in Galatians 3:1.
Dear Antichristian
Am very happy and glad to av a chance with u today...I av always av a question I am bn curious to ask u...I trust u to provide an accurate answer devoid of controversy
Here is the question...
In my study of the Holy Quran...I discovered something that made me curious

In translation and etymology of the word Allah...it's in plural form and not singular...and wen Allah wants to talk about himself to Muhammad (S.A.W)...it is always "We" plural and not "I" singular...
I need u to educate me please
Thank u
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by Maynman: 6:35pm On Jun 18, 2022
immaculatesense:

Dear Antichristian
Am very happy and glad to av a chance with u today...I av always av a question I am bn curious to ask u...I trust u to provide an accurate answer devoid of controversy
Here is the question...
In my study of the Holy Quran...I discovered something that made me curious

In translation and etymology of the word Allah...it's in plural form and not singular...and wen Allah wants to talk about himself to Muhammad (S.A.W)...it is always "We" plural and not "I" singular...
I need u to educate me please
Thank u

Allah and Elohim means same thing.
You forget y’all worship ABRAHAMIAC gods?
Yahweh is from cannanite the shasu tribe, one of the sons of elohim/Allah.

Tell me more about this plural cheesy

Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by immaculatesense(m): 6:42pm On Jun 18, 2022
Maynman:


Allah and Elohim means same thing.
You forget y’all worship ABRAHAMIAC gods?
Yahweh is from cannanite the shasu tribe, one of the sons of elohim/Allah.

Tell me more about this plural cheesy
I asked a question from @AntiChristian...but u quoted me...I thought u would answer the question since u quoted...but u didn't...instead u asked me a question...
Don't dat sounds funny to u...unless u are the one running the @AntiChristian moniker...so,if u are...pls answer my question...and if u are not...pls let the addressee answer my question...
Thank you
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by Maynman: 6:43pm On Jun 18, 2022
immaculatesense:

I asked a question from @AntiChristian...but u quoted me...I thought u would answer the question since u quoted...but u didn't...instead u asked me a question...
Don't dat sounds funny to u...unless u are the one running the @AntiChristian moniker...so,if u are...pls answer my question...and if u are not...pls let the addressee answer my question...
Thank you

@AntiChristian trust me he’s ignorant of what he’s saying.

And to you believer immaculatesense, Allah means Elohim, Tell us more about this plural.

Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by RoyalDiadems: 6:55pm On Jun 18, 2022
AntiChristian:


Say, "Indeed, my prayer, my rites of sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allah , Lord of the worlds. Qur'an 6 vs 162

The Sacrifice is obligatory on who is able to do it. And we don't believe the Sacrifice is to take away our sins like your Jesus.



Where is the hypocrisy here?
Something that is corrupted can still have some good in it. And where did you see me finding name of Prophet in your Bible?

Whatever you believe does not change spiritual realities.

One thing your Allah does not want you to know is that sin is spiritual. It always requires an atonement for it to be cleansed.

And the only thing in the entire universe that can cleanse sin is blood. Without the Shedding of blood, there can be no remission of sin.

This is a spiritual reality universally known to anyone who has experienced the spirit realm.
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by Maynman: 6:58pm On Jun 18, 2022
RoyalDiadems:


Whatever you believe does not change spiritual realities.

One thing your Allah does not want you to know is that sin is spiritual. It always requires an atonement for it to be cleansed.

And the only thing in the entire universe that can cleanse sin is blood. Without the Shedding of blood, there can be no remission of sin.

This is a spiritual reality universally known to anyone who has experienced the spirit realm.

My favorite flock, Allah and Elohim means same thing.
You forgot y’all worship Abramaic gods?

Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by RoyalDiadems: 7:00pm On Jun 18, 2022
Maynman:


My favorite flock, Allah and Elohim means same thing.
You forgot y’all worship Abramaic gods?

This discussion is far above you. It's folly for you to meddle.
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by Maynman: 7:02pm On Jun 18, 2022
RoyalDiadems:


This discussion is far above you. It's folly for you to meddle.

Flock doesn’t know Allah and Elohim means same thing, waiting for your shepherd to tell you huh cheesy
Yahweh worshipper bwahahahah

Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by cornelboy(f): 8:19pm On Jun 18, 2022
AntiChristian:


Say, "Indeed, my prayer, my rites of sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allah , Lord of the worlds. Qur'an 6 vs 162

The Sacrifice is obligatory on who is able to do it. And we don't believe the Sacrifice is to take away our sins like your Jesus.
The reason you do it is not my problem.
Your god is definitely a ritualist if he really accepts sacrifice of ram as you admitted here.
You even supported it with a Qur'an verse.

You beliefs actually doesn't matter to real Christians. We know how Jehovah God moved with Moses and how he gave him instructions on many things including the sacrifice for sin through animals. That actually goes along with Jesus sacrifice which is once and for all.

Something that is corrupted can still have some good in it. And where did you see me finding name of Prophet in your Bible?
How are you able to distinguish between the corrupted verses and the one not corrupted?
Which device are you using for that?
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by cornelboy(f): 8:21pm On Jun 18, 2022
Steep:

Answer the question and stop fidgeting here and there, where was it written that hell and death would be tormented?
Sinners and the devils would be tormented eternally but not hell and death.
Death is not just abstract same with hell.
I already answered you.

It was not written word for word that hell and death will both be tormented but it's explicitly seen from the book of revelations that Satan, the false prophet, those that worship the beast, hell, death etc will be thrown into the same lake of fire.

So why would hell a lifeless and unconscious entity be thrown into the lake of fire?
Also why would death which is abstract be thrown into the lake of fire?

When did/will people start burning in hell fire?
Is hell fire the same as lake of fire?
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by Steep(m): 6:42am On Jun 19, 2022
cornelboy:

I already answered you.

It was not written word for word that hell and death will both be tormented but it's explicitly seen from the book of revelations that Satan, the false prophet, those that worship the beast, hell, death etc will be thrown into the same lake of fire.

So why would hell a lifeless and unconscious entity be thrown into the lake of fire?
Also why would death which is abstract be thrown into the lake of fire?

When did/will people start burning in hell fire?
Is hell fire the same as lake of fire?
Show me the slighlightest insinuations that and death will be tormented even if it is not word for word?
Death is a real phenomenon that would have its end in the lake of fire.

Just as righteousness and joy will be in heaven, righteousness and joy being in heaven does not make heaven figurative.

Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.



so the fact that death will be thrown into the lake of fire does not make it to be figurative.
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by AntiChristian: 6:53am On Jun 19, 2022
cornelboy:



The reason you do it is not my problem.
Your god is definitely a ritualist if he really accepts sacrifice of ram as you admitted here.
You even supported it with a Qur'an verse.

You beliefs actually doesn't matter to real Christians. We know how Jehovah God moved with Moses and how he gave him instructions on many things including the sacrifice for sin through animals. That actually goes along with Jesus sacrifice which is once and for all.
Your God supports human sacrifice aka Yahoo plus! That's not in Islam.


How are you able to distinguish between the corrupted verses and the one not corrupted?
Which device are you using for that?
You need no device to know corruption when you see them.

Open the songs of Solomon and count the number of times breast was mentioned. This is corruption.

God supports human sacrifice. That's corruption!

Paul who never met Jesus in his lifetime wrote more books than all the 11 disciples altogether. That's super corruption!

And it's more corruption to know that Paul's books became popular even before any of the Gospels.
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by AntiChristian: 6:54am On Jun 19, 2022
RoyalDiadems:


Whatever you believe does not change spiritual realities.

One thing your Allah does not want you to know is that sin is spiritual. It always requires an atonement for it to be cleansed.

And the only thing in the entire universe that can cleanse sin is blood. Without the Shedding of blood, there can be no remission of sin.

This is a spiritual reality universally known to anyone who has experienced the spirit realm.

So your God supports human sacrifice aka Yahoo plus?
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:54am On Jun 19, 2022
Steep:

Show me the slighlightest insinuations that and death will be tormented even if it is not word for word?
Death is a principle that would have its end in the lake of fire.

Just as joy love will be in heaven, joy and love being in heaven does not make heaven figurative, so the fact that death will be thrown into the lake of fire does not make it to be figurative.

It is figurative because unlike heaven and earth that was mentioned in the opening words of the Bible as created neither hell, death nor lake of fire was mentioned! smiley

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Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by Steep(m): 6:58am On Jun 19, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


It is figurative because unlike heaven and earth that was mentioned in the opening words of the Bible as created neither hell, death nor lake of fire was mentioned! smiley
Actually it is God that prepared the everlasting fire.
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:12am On Jun 19, 2022
Steep:

Actually it is God that prepared the everlasting fire.
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

That's why it is figurative because God intended to destroy all rebels after Adam's fall but as for Adam's descendants who never partake in the rebellion we are supposed to live forever, that's why God sent Jesus.
For your information Jesus' blood can only redeem obedient mankind not rebels so Adam, Eve and all those that deliberately chose to be evil will be destroyed for good that's what the lake of fire means! smiley
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by AntiChristian: 7:16am On Jun 19, 2022
immaculatesense:

Dear Antichristian
Am very happy and glad to av a chance with u today...I av always av a question I am bn curious to ask u...I trust u to provide an accurate answer devoid of controversy
Here is the question...
In my study of the Holy Quran...I discovered something that made me curious

In translation and etymology of the word Allah...it's in plural form and not singular...and wen Allah wants to talk about himself to Muhammad (S.A.W)...it is always "We" plural and not "I" singular...
I need u to educate me please
Thank u

Praise be to Allah.

It is a feature of literary style in Arabic that a person may refer to himself by the pronoun nahnu (we) for respect or glorification. He may also use the word ana (I), indicating one person, or the third person huwa (he). All three styles are used in the Qur’an, where Allaah addresses the Arabs in their own tongue.
(Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 4/143).

“Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, sometimes refers to Himself in the singular, by name or by use of a pronoun, and sometimes by use of the plural, as in the phrase (interpretation of the meaning): ‘Verily, We have given you a manifest victory” [al-Fath 48:1], and other similar phrases. But Allaah never refers to Himself by use of the dual, because the plural refers to the respect that He deserves, and may refer to His names and attributes, whereas the dual refers to a specific number (and nothing else), and He is far above that.”
(Al-‘Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 75).

These words, innaa (“Verily We”) and nahnu (“We”), and other forms of the plural, may be used by one person speaking on behalf of a group, or they may be used by one person for purposes of respect or glorification, as is done by some monarchs when they issue statements or decrees in which they say “We have decided…” etc. [This is known in English as “The Royal We” – Translator]. In such cases, only one person is speaking but the plural is used for respect. The One Who is more deserving of respect than any other is Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, so when He says in the Qur’an innaa (“Verily We”) and nahnu (“We”), it is for respect and glorification, not to indicate plurality of numbers. If an aayah of this type is causing confusion, it is essential to refer to the clear, unambiguous aayaat for clarification, and if a Christian, for example, insists on taking ayaat such as “Verily, We: it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e., the Qur’an)” [al-Hijr 15:9 – interpretation of the meaning] as proof of divine plurality, we may refute this claim by quoting such clear and unambiguous aayaat as (interpretation of the meanings): “And your god is One God, there is none who has the right to be worshipped but He, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful” [al-Baqarah 2:163] and “Say: He is Allaah, the One” [al-Ikhlaas 112:1] – and other aayaat which can only be interpreted in one way. Thus confusion will be dispelled for the one who is seeking the truth. Every time Allaah uses the plural to refer to Himself, it is based on the respect and honour that He deserves, and on the great number of His names and attributes, and on the great number of His troops and angels.”

(Reference: Al-‘Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 109). And Allaah knows best.
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by GreatAxeMan: 7:29am On Jun 19, 2022
Why should a god who repeatedly brags about singularity find it more respectable to refer to himself as plural? How does this make any sense?


AntiChristian:


Praise be to Allah.

It is a feature of literary style in Arabic that a person may refer to himself by the pronoun nahnu (we) for respect or glorification. He may also use the word ana (I), indicating one person, or the third person huwa (he). All three styles are used in the Qur’an, where Allaah addresses the Arabs in their own tongue.
(Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 4/143).

“Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, sometimes refers to Himself in the singular, by name or by use of a pronoun, and sometimes by use of the plural, as in the phrase (interpretation of the meaning): ‘Verily, We have given you a manifest victory” [al-Fath 48:1], and other similar phrases. But Allaah never refers to Himself by use of the dual, because the plural refers to the respect that He deserves, and may refer to His names and attributes, whereas the dual refers to a specific number (and nothing else), and He is far above that.”
(Al-‘Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 75).

These words, innaa (“Verily We”) and nahnu (“We”), and other forms of the plural, may be used by one person speaking on behalf of a group, or they may be used by one person for purposes of respect or glorification, as is done by some monarchs when they issue statements or decrees in which they say “We have decided…” etc. [This is known in English as “The Royal We” – Translator]. In such cases, only one person is speaking but the plural is used for respect. The One Who is more deserving of respect than any other is Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, so when He says in the Qur’an innaa (“Verily We”) and nahnu (“We”), it is for respect and glorification, not to indicate plurality of numbers. If an aayah of this type is causing confusion, it is essential to refer to the clear, unambiguous aayaat for clarification, and if a Christian, for example, insists on taking ayaat such as “Verily, We: it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e., the Qur’an)” [al-Hijr 15:9 – interpretation of the meaning] as proof of divine plurality, we may refute this claim by quoting such clear and unambiguous aayaat as (interpretation of the meanings): “And your god is One God, there is none who has the right to be worshipped but He, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful” [al-Baqarah 2:163] and “Say: He is Allaah, the One” [al-Ikhlaas 112:1] – and other aayaat which can only be interpreted in one way. Thus confusion will be dispelled for the one who is seeking the truth. Every time Allaah uses the plural to refer to Himself, it is based on the respect and honour that He deserves, and on the great number of His names and attributes, and on the great number of His troops and angels.”

(Reference: Al-‘Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 109). And Allaah knows best.
Re: How Is God Loving God If He Destroy Humans? by GreatAxeMan: 7:31am On Jun 19, 2022
Allah and Elohim do not mean the same thing and Christians do not worship the god of depravity that mûdslîmés worship.

Maynman:


Allah and Elohim means same thing.
You forget y’all worship ABRAHAMIAC gods?
Yahweh is from cannanite the shasu tribe, one of the sons of elohim/Allah.

Tell me more about this plural cheesy

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