subsidywise18:


Okay, let's pay the same kind of fees they pay there then, and spend the same kind of money they spend there then.

How many individuals earn the kind of money they earn there while here? If we earned better we won't also bother about the fees we pay here! Simple logic!

subsidywise18:
In the USA, people do not earn enough money to put their children through college. That's why most Americans take out loans to pay for their children's colleges, and even the kids hustle for things like scholarships and grants over there.(Like Rotimi has done).

And the loans are not free money. Once you get a job, you start paying back the loans. On top of your other expenses. And your children too have the same issue.

(When Obama became president of the USA, one of the first things he did was to open savings account for his 2 daughters and start saving a huge chunk of his salary as president there so that they could go to college stress free. Had he lost, his daughters would have had to take loans like other Americans.)

Some Americans do other things like side hustles, buying life insurance for their children, etc, to pay for their kids education in college.

Even then....I once heard of an American medical doctor with debts of $150000 from medical school alone.That#s par the course.

Can you please provide credible reference for the bold part above. Thanks.

Jayzeeno:


Go and check very well. You are not Omoluabi..

I am. I am from Iragbiji in Boripe LGA of Osun State.

God bless All Omoluabi worldwide.
Omoluabis for Peter Obi.

Congratulations young man

anonimi:


For primary and secondary schools that are free?
Or what is your point?
Something that the old Western region had in 1950s and the LOBOO states in the 1980s before Bubu scattered everything with his senseless coup that is the only successful one against democratically elected LGA councilors & chairmen, state lawmakers & governors, senators, representatives and president?
Unlike governors Tinubu, Kwankwaso, Obi and co who are just rogues instead of employing teachers & other workers to provide free education for all children.

And the old Western region did not have 'every child ' in school at that time. (by 1960, less than 10% of Nigerian kids were in school, a number that went down to 2% in the Northern region).

It was that easy to guarantee free education when the number of kids in school was not much. Once the population rose as time went on, fees had to be paid, somehow.

And even then government schools nationwide are in a mess, because the money is, and has never been enough.(and yes, Tinubu was not spectacular in that regard).

When the government brought in UPE in 1976, the populaiton of kids syrocketed. That brought problems down the line that we are still struggling with.


(P.S I went to a private primary school despite living within 15 minutes of a government school, and the fees were high..parents had to do side hustle to pay for the thing. But we got books, etc. Public schools meanwhile were supposedly free...yet students had to buy books, etc and were badly equipped compared to the private schools. And this was under millitary rule.)

subsidywise18:


In the USA, people do not earn enough money to put their children through college. That's why most Americans take out loans to pay for their children's colleges, and even the kids hustle for things like scholarships and grants over there.(Like Rotimi has done).

And the loans are not free money. Once you get a job, you start paying back the loans. On top of your other expenses. And your children too have the same issue.

(When Obama became president of the USA, one of the first things he did was to open savings account for his 2 daughters and start saving a huge chunk of his salary as president there so that they could go to college stress free. Had he lost, his daughters would have had to take loans like other Americans.)

Some Americans do other things like side hustles, buying life insurance for their children, etc, to pay for their kids education in college.

Even then....I once heard of an American medical doctor with debts of $150000 from medical school alone.That#s par the course.

You think people don't get loan to get through school in Nigeria? Even some federal universities students that pay less than 100k still find it difficult paying their fees as at when due at resort to getting loan and some still hustle for scholarships, when you factor in the economy setting of other countries and Nigeria you will realize Nigeria school isn't really cheaper for Nigerians.

Ad there are lot of students loan and scholarships over there, here it is not the same, it is even not advisable to get a loan to see yourself to college here cause there is no guarantee you will get a job to pay back later.

subsidywise18:


America is run by old men right now. 2024 election features Biden and Trump most likely...who are way above 70.

Also, youth in Nigeria, and the US don't really have time to run for office, sadly. An average young Nigerian is struggling to bring up a family, and build his financial capacity. While a young Nigerian should take part in democracy, it is understandable if they cannot.

Most of our candidates in this election don't have children under the age of 18. Most of them have kids who are graduates...so they are not struggling to bring up children . Most have made their money already.

At the beginning, it was not so. Nigeria government and economy was run by vibrant youths, most of them below 50 years. Education was standard and economy was very strong. Most of these crop of old politicians you fight over enjoyed free standard education up to the university level.
Now the government can't even sustain the substandard educational system.
Youths should wise up.

DarkPheonix:

You think people don't get loan to get through school in Nigeria? Even some federal universities students that pay less than 100k still find it difficult paying their fees as at when due at resort to getting loan and some still hustle for scholarships, when you factor in the economy setting of other countries and Nigeria you will realize Nigeria school isn't really cheaper for Nigerians.

Ad there are lot of students loan and scholarships over there, here it is not the same, it is even not advisable to get a loan to see yourself to college here cause there is no guarantee you will get a job to pay back later.

Simple, it proves my point. Education is not cheap. Assuming, as you did, that US parents can pay the high fees of US schools because 'they earn more' is a bad assumption. They don't, and like Nigerians , have to take loans.

Plus we do underpay our education sector. We make it relatively cheap, yet because it is cheap, our universities cannot afford a lot of things...and we produce half baked graduates...as a result.

derecho:
Which one be Nigerian American?
He is a Nigerian born in or living in America.
Anyways, Success has many fathers

I tut it was only me..

tarboshi:


At the beginning, it was not so. Nigeria government and economy was run by vibrant youths, most of them below 50 years. Education was standard and economy was very strong. Most of these crop of old politicians you fight over enjoyed free standard education up to the university level.
Now the government can't even sustain the substandard educational system.
Youths should wise up.

Nigeria was not run by vibrant youths in the 1960's...we had a share of old people.(All the premiers were old or approaching their sixties.)

Also, we had relatively younger people back then because we had not had enough generations of educated graduates to run the country without the British (see the army where thanks to the fact that the british did not start training officers till the last 8 years before independence meant that we had 'young generals' and the tragedy of 1966-70 fuirther pushed down the age).

Harvard, Yale, Stanford and Johns Hopkins were among the top universities he had to choose from,...but he eventually selected the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill to pursue a career in public health.

...and here is why children should not be allowed to make decisions for themselves...

Gana101:
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What can I do

Congratulations, you have saved one year of your life.

subsidywise18:


Simple, it proves my point. Education is not cheap. Assuming, as you did, that US parents can pay the high fees of US schools because 'they earn more' is a bad assumption. They don't, and like Nigerians , have to take loans.

Plus we do underpay our education sector. We make it relatively cheap, yet because it is cheap, our universities cannot afford a lot of things...and we produce half baked graduates...as a result.

Yes it is not cheap anywhere, I didn't say it is. So it is bad to say someone in nigeria where minimum wage is 30kpM should pay the same school fee as someone in the US where minimum wages ranges from 7$pH to 15$pH..

Universities are underfunded majorly because of government negligence and misappropriation of fund, not because the student pay less as based on the economy.

Sexydevil:


How many individuals earn the kind of money they earn there while here? If we earned better we won't also bother about the fees we pay here! Simple logic!

Americans do not earn enough to pay for the education of their kids.

That's why they take loans, or their kids hustle for scholarships (which are performance based...you fall below a standard, and the scholarship goes...and the sports ones are worse..you must perform at a certain level...and still maintain your grades. ) or do things like taking out life insurance on their kids.....to pay for their education.

Yes, there are 'need based' scholarships and grants...but you have to prove that you are really really poor...(like the son or daughter of say a drug addict who spends all the money on drugs...for example)..before you get it.

Very few americans earn enough to pay out of pocket for their child's education.

derecho:
Which one be Nigerian American?
He is a Nigerian born in or living in America.
Anyways, Success has many fathers

Nigerian American is appropriate. He has du nationalities.

Sylvester Stallone and Robert De Niro are Italian American. Kiyosaki of "Rich Dad and Poor Dad" series is Japanese American

Dikaveli2:
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Are you in Onitsha as seen on your profile ?

DarkPheonix:


Yes it is not cheap anywhere, I didn't say it is. So it is bad to say someone in nigeria where minimum wage is 30kpM should pay the same school fee as someone in the US where minimum wages ranges from 7$pH to 15$pH..

Universities are underfunded majorly because of government negligence and misappropriation of fund, not because the student pay less as based on the economy.

Well my point is, if we want our schools to look like American schools we have to pay the same amounts Americans pay for their schools to work.

Even without corruption and looiting..even if we get good leaders.....the money Nigeria makes cannot raise our universities to the level of the USA.

Yet Nigerians complain about their schools not being at US level. And don't want to pay the money needed.

Reinaldo:
Brilliant chap. He would never think about voting APC or PDP because he's not dumb.

But you are dumb with this comment.

Whether indo-nigerian or pando-nigerian, the person in question is Nigerian.
My point is, it's easy for America to associate with him because of his sterling record but would be reluctant to share in the crime committed by any "Nigerian American"

grandstar:


Nigerian American is appropriate. He has du nationalities.

Sylvester Stallone and Robert De Niro are Italian American. Kiyosaki of "Rich Dad and Poor Dad" series is Japanese American

Nice! The Kukoyi lineage has got genius running within.

Will always never be Hausa or fulani, they are comfortable with the quota system that lowers pass mark for them and other foul policies that help them dominate locally. And is the reason Nigeria will not go anywhere in a million years to come. The north is the problem, almajiri destroying infrastructure and inviting other almajiri from Niger and Chad Bokoharam, banditry, killing of innocent citizens, just name it.

subsidywise18:


He is an American.

His doing well does not mean that your tribe or other tribes are suddenly brilliant people. It means he is intelligent.

You won't benefit from his intelligence.

I fail to see the point for this response. He's a descendant of Oduduwa and I am wishing him and others alike, success.

What exactly is wrong with that?

subsidywise18:
And the old Western region did not have 'every child ' in school at that time. (by 1960, less than 10% of Nigerian kids were in school, a number that went down to 2% in the Northern region).

Can you please provide the source of your 10% statistics for 1960. Otherwise don't repeat the falsehood.

It was that easy to guarantee free education when the number of kids in school was not much. Once the population rose as time went on, fees had to be paid, somehow.

And even then government schools nationwide are in a mess, because the money is, and has never been enough.(and yes, Tinubu was not spectacular in that regard).

Is the government revenue at the level of what it was when Awolowo and the LOBOO governors provided free education to every child, plus books in the 1980s?

subsidywise18:


Well my point is, if we want our schools to look like American schools we have to pay the same amounts Americans pay for their schools to work.

Even without corruption and looiting..even if we get good leaders.....the money Nigeria makes cannot raise our universities to the level of the USA.

Yet Nigerians complain about their schools not being at US level. And don't want to pay the money needed.

Well my own point is that it is outrageous to ask Nigerians the pay the same fee as those in the US are paying cause we don't earn at the same rate and our economy is nothing compared to those in the US.

Maybe if government can provide steady power supply, enabling environment for business and good policies and also increasing the minimum wage to the same level as those in other countries then we can ask people to pay the same fee as those in the US.

Nyne:


Are you in Onitsha as seen on your profile ?

Yes sir

subsidywise18:


Well my point is, if we want our schools to look like American schools we have to pay the same amounts Americans pay for their schools to work.

Even without corruption and looiting..even if we get good leaders.....the money Nigeria makes cannot raise our universities to the level of the USA.

Yet Nigerians complain about their schools not being at US level. And don't want to pay the money needed.

Well my own point is that it is outrageous to ask Nigerians the pay the same fee as those in the US are paying cause we don't earn at the same rate and our economy is nothing compared to those in the US.

Maybe if government can provide steady power supply, enabling environment for business and good policies and also increasing the minimum wage to the same level as those in other countries then we can ask people to pay the same fee as those in the US.
Education is even free in a lot of EU countries that spend so much on the education sector and we are here saying education is cheap here where government barely give a hoot about the education sector.

DarkPheonix:

Well my own point is that it is outrageous to ask Nigerians the pay the same fee as those in the US are paying cause we don't earn at the same rate and our economy is nothing compared to those in the US.

And it starts by voting for governments that would help our economy make more money.

Maybe if government can provide steady power supply, enabling environment for business and good policies and also increasing the minimum wage to the same level as those in other countries then we can ask people to pay the same fee as those in the US.

Let the government allow DISCOS and GENCOS charge whatever price they want so that they can make a profit, which they can then use to improve power generation, which means more jobs and taxable income...and thus more money for wages.

Plus not everyone is on the minimum wage by the way.

Basiljoe:
Good for him. Stay far away from the shithole. Atleast till someone sane like Peter Obi becomes president.

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anonimi:


Can you please provide the source of your 10% statistics for 1960. Otherwise don't repeat the falsehood.



Is the government revenue at the level of what it was when Awolowo and the LOBOO governors provided free education to every child, plus books in the 1980s?

It's from a book whose title is Africa. (it contains a condensed history of African countries chapter by chapter) . I can't recall the title in full, sadly.

But it is true.

Also, free education is not sustainable unless Nigeria is ready to raise its tax to gdp ratio.

Denmark has free education, and its tax to gdp ratio is around 46%. Nigeria is around 8%, up from the 5.8 percent under your PDP. Bad overall, for APC. As one other Nairalander said elsewhere...the free education was paid for mostly by cocoa revenues...what would have happened if the population kept growing at a rate higher than the cocoa production...which is what happened eventually (by 1970's Ghana was not earning much from cocoa).

subsidywise18:


Okay, let's pay the same kind of fees they pay there then, and spend the same kind of money they spend there then.

value of currency and society differs

subsidywise18:


And it starts by voting for governments that would help our economy make more money.



Let the government allow DISCOS and GENCOS charge whatever price they want so that they can make a profit, which they can then use to improve power generation, which means more jobs and taxable income...and thus more money for wages.

Plus not everyone is on the minimum wage by the way.

Your point is very valid hopefully we get a good government soon.

Minimum wage reflects the state of the country economy, it is pointer to the average citizen live.