salem1996:
1. Ok, why did Jesus ran away when he was being sought to be killed?

2. If the people that brought the gospel had foolishly stayed to be killed, will you have received the gospel?

3. What is your understanding of an enemy? In Jesus's time (around 3AD-35AD), were the enemies killing the people? Were there even sword available people to carry?

4. Why do you think the people ran away during the time of the church fathers?

5. Weapons were solely for armies and guards.
Enemies were the government authorities and not sects that killed unarmed people. In those days, Christianity was never an acceptable religion hence, even if they were killed, the government commend the killers and even the killers (enemies) do so under commands.

Today, Christianity has been accepted, killers or enemies are not acting base on government orders, most killers are religiously inclined and weapons are available for the masses.

6. Tell me, do we have Christians in the army? Why do they kill bandits? If believers are not to defend themselves, why do we have armies and security guards? Why do you make gates and doors in your house? Why do you place security men in your church?

1. Try to comprehend what is clearly written to you. Jesus Christ, in those passages, clearly states that what you can't do is defend yourself. He didn't say you can't run away or escape your enemy.

2. Many of the first apostles were murdered by those who persecuted them, beginning with Jesus Christ Himself, there master. Surely, you know the story of Stephen who stood faithful - in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings of Jesus Christ- till the end..

3. An enemy is an enemy. If Jesus Christ wanted you to focus in a particular type of enemy, He would have made that clear in His teachings because God isn't a fool.

And yes, even in occupied Israel, during the time of Jesus Christ, there were lots of enemies to contend with.

4. See #1 for answer.

5. Stories! So the mobs who killed James in Jerusalem , the jews who pummeled Paul almost to his death, the Jews who persecuted the Christians causing them to flee were all armed by the Roman government? Stop winding yourself abeg!

6. Jesus Christ said none of His own could hold Jobs/have careers etc., working for bread that perishes so, no, even those in your army are not of Him.
....

Surely, these questions you have you ought to direct at Jesus Christ, the one who gave you this decree, and not my person. If you really believe He is alive then direct them at Him and have Him answer them best for you.

Willie2015:


Just the usual docile attitude of Christians..
What's stopping Christians from obtaining gun license..
to carry guns lawfully.....
We have millions of Christian lawyers to argue this out in the court of law......
Are you holier than Nehemiah that told his people to defend themselves...
Did you not read about David in the book of Psalms........
Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle;
Did you not read in the bible that “Whenever an armed strongman keeps his homestead, his property is at peace.
Battle is the seed for territory .
It is a natural principle.

This terrorist government will not give you licensed gun. Have you forgotten they even want to withdraw the guns that were licensed?

Only the states and local government for now can do something about the security issue. The church can only pray for divine intervention.

Ken4Christ:


This terrorist government will not give you licensed gun. Have you forgotten they even want to withdraw the guns that were licensed?

Only the states and local government for now can do something about the security issue. The church can only pray for divine intervention.

I am also an advocate of prayer...
It is the hand that holds the key for transformation...
However, we need to act...pressurize them..
While we also pray for divine intervention...
80 million Xtians in Naija can do somethin....
Confrontation is the seed for change...

Kobojunkie:
1. Try to comprehend what is clearly written to you. Jesus Christ, in those passages, clearly states that what you can't do is defend yourself. He didn't say you can't run away or escape your enemy.

2. Many of the first apostles were murdered by those who persecuted them, beginning with Jesus Christ Himself, there master. Surely, you know the story of Stephen who stood faithful - in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings of Jesus Christ- till the end..

3. An enemy is an enemy. If Jesus Christ wanted you to focus in a particular type of enemy, He would have made that clear in His teachings because God isn't a fool.

And yes, even in occupied Israel, during the time of Jesus Christ, there were lots of enemies to contend with.

4. See #1 for answer.

5. Stories! So the mobs who killed James in Jerusalem , the jews who pummeled Paul almost to his death, the Jews who persecuted the Christians causing them to flee were all armed by the Roman government? Stop winding yourself abeg!

6. Jesus Christ said none of His own could hold Jobs/have careers etc., working for bread that perishes so, no, even those in your army are not of Him.
....

Surely, these questions you have you ought to direct at Jesus Christ, the one who gave you this decree, and not my person. If you really believe He is alive then direct them at Him and have Him agnswer them best for you.

Your reply to point 4,5,6, proves you really need a lot of study on church history.

Tell me, who legalized the church as an acceptable religion and Declare Christians free from harm and they should worship even in public ? When did it happened?

You talked about Stephen? Hope you know the people that killed him were supported by the Governor? Have you heard of Claudius and Piliny? Have you heard of Nero and General Pompey? These were authorities that supported the killings of Christians. Have you heard of Christians that worshiped in Graves? Have you heard of Polycarp? Have you read of the Amphitheatre game? Have you heard of the 1453+ peasants revolt? Did you know why? I truly laught at your replies.

Is your type that have propagated an erroneous view of Love your enemies.

The highest form of love is to preach the gospel to someone, have you ever step into the Bush to preach to the bandits, herdsmen?

Why do you have doors and padlock your house to leave for a place or sleep? Are u not trying to defend yourself against harm? Why didn't you answer that part?
You said people who takes jobs as such as army are not Christians? honestly I don't intend to insult you but you need to read a lot and pray more

salem1996:
1. Your reply to point 4,5,6, proves you really need a lot of study on church history.

Tell me, who legalized the church as an acceptable religion and Declare Christians free from harm and they should worship even in public ? When did it happened?

2. You said people who takes jobs as such as army are not Christians? honestly I don't intend to insult you but you need to read a lot and pray more

1. Your church history is meaningless since what matters is instead what Jesus Christ, God's Law , has commanded in this.

2. Jesus Christ is the one who said this, not me- John 6 vs 25 - 35.

Kobojunkie:
1. Your church history is meaningless since what matters is instead what Jesus Christ, God's Law , has commanded in this.

2. Jesus Christ is the one who said this, not me- John 6 vs 25 - 35.

Answer the modified

salem1996:
Answer the modified

My response doesn't change in any way though.

Kobojunkie:
My response doesn't change in any way though.

Please relate the text Jon.6:25-35 relate to self defense.

salem1996:
Please relate the text Jon.6:25-35 relate to self defense.

You asked if Christians serve in the army, and I pointed out that Christians aren't even supposed to have jobs or pursue careers in the first place, let alone serve in man's army with man as Master over them..

Kobojunkie:
You asked if Christians serve in the army, and I pointed out that Christians aren't even supposed to have jobs or pursue careers in the first place, let alone serve in man's army with man as Master over them..

Wonderful, but you are using internet, and it is controlled by a man not you .

You have a business, and it takes people who are even unbelievers that buys from you


You wnt to follow Jesus? Ok, he said;

Sell you cloak and buy a sword, have you don that?

Sell all you have and give the money to the poor, have you done that?

Go yea into the world and preach, hope you have gone round the earth?

If your item lost, do not look for it. Hope you don't look for anything lost?

salem1996:
1. Wonderful, but you are using internet, and it is controlled by a man not you .

2. You have a business, and it takes people who are even unbelievers that buys from you

3. You wnt to follow Jesus? Ok, he said;

a. Sell you cloak and buy a sword, have you don that?

b. Sell all you have and give the money to the poor, have you done that?

c. Go yea into the world and preach, hope you have gone round the earth?

d. If your item lost, do not look for it. Hope you don't look for anything lost?

1. I am sorry, what part of what is written in that verse leads you to believe you should not use the internet or a toothbrush or even a pot?

2. Wasn't Jesus Christ clear enough in the passage that what you should no longer do is work for bread that perishes?

a. Read entire passage of Luke 22 vs 36 - 53 , paying particular attention to what Jesus Christ said in verse 37 in order to clearly understand His message in that passage.

b. Pretty much...

c. He said go into the world, not go around the world. And yes, I do that pretty much regularly.

d. Care to provide source where this one comes from?

Kobojunkie:
1. I am sorry, what part of what is written in that verse leads you to believe you should not use the internet or a toothbrush or even a pot?

2. Wasn't Jesus Christ clear enough in the passage that what you should no longer do is work for bread that perishes?

a. Read entire passage of Luke 22 vs 36 - 53 , paying particular attention to what Jesus Christ said in verse 37 in order to clearly understand His message in that passage.

b. Pretty much...

c. He said go into the world, not go around the world. And yes, I do that pretty much regularly.

d. Care to provide source where this one comes from?

Hight is very undebateable, I hope you get what I mean

salem1996:
Hight is very undebateable, I hope you get what I mean

I have no clue what you mean..

ObosiUkwalla:


Home training Kee you there. If you mess up, we tell it to your face - whether you are 150years or 10. Who your age epp??

The same way you tell it to the face of those at home right?
Continue... Your eye would soon clear...