tensazangetsu20:

Binary search trees are kinda easy na. The nodes on the right are always greater than the nodes on the left.

Hey tensa I know you once recommended newbie going through the platform development route, but these days you're a die hard fan of leetcode

I was having a convo with a mentor kind of who's working as a SWE abroad. She also did recommend platform development, though she's a salesforce developer. I was checking out salesforce admin and developer job roles and they seemed nice, then I remembered your advice on platform development.

Just want to know your view on salesforce development. Do you still recommend niching down to a platform whilst learning to code. I'm thinking of dropping DSA for now. Whilst learning the front end Dev technologies, I plan on familiarizing myself with salesforce administration and development.

Then possibly becoming a salesforce developer in 9 months or so. If I'm fortunate to get a job afterwards, I'll start grinding DSA whilst working.
How do you view this career roadmap? Is it a good one?

tensazangetsu20:

Binary search trees are kinda easy na. The nodes on the right are always greater than the nodes on the left.

Hey tensa I know you once recommended newbie going through the platform development route, but these days you're a die hard fan of leetcode

I was having a convo with a mentor kind of who's working as a SWE abroad. She also did recommend platform development, though she's a salesforce developer. I was checking out salesforce admin and developer job roles and they seemed nice, then I remembered your advice on platform development.

Just want to know your view on salesforce development. Do you still recommend niching down to a platform whilst learning to code. I'm thinking of dropping DSA for now. Whilst learning the front end Dev technologies, I plan on familiarizing myself with salesforce administration and development and taking their certification exams subsequently

Then possibly becoming a salesforce developer in 9 months or so. If I'm fortunate to get a job afterwards, I'll start grinding DSA whilst working.
How do you view this career roadmap? Is it a good one?

@airsaylongcome

SavageBoy:


Hey tensa I know you once recommended newbie going through the platform development route, but these days you're a die hard fan of leetcode

I was having a convo with a mentor kind of who's working as a SWE abroad. She also did recommend platform development, though she's a salesforce developer. I was checking out salesforce admin and developer job roles and they seemed nice, then I remembered your advice on platform development.

Just want to know your view on salesforce development. Do you still recommend niching down to a platform whilst learning to code. I'm thinking of dropping DSA for now. Whilst learning the front end Dev technologies, I plan on familiarizing myself with salesforce administration and development and taking their certification exams subsequently

Then possibly becoming a salesforce developer in 9 months or so. If I'm fortunate to get a job afterwards, I'll start grinding DSA whilst working.
How do you view this career roadmap? Is it a good one?

@airsaylongcome

The truth I wanted running away from frontend to Salesforce cause I hated DSA and I absolutely didn't wanna study or do any leetcode cause it was too difficult but after I got my Salesforce certifications, all the jobs I was applying to were asking me DSA and sending me DSA tests. Only one company sent me a take home test and the salary was lower than the job I had already. Omho niching down or not niching down better to know DSA except you are satisfied working a lowly paid job.

tensazangetsu20:



The truth I wanted running away from frontend to Salesforce cause I hated DSA and I absolutely didn't wanna study or do any leetcode cause it was too difficult but after I got my Salesforce certifications, all the jobs I was applying to were asking me DSA and sending me DSA tests. Only one company sent me a take home test and the salary was lower than the job I had already. Omho niching down or not niching down better to know DSA except you are satisfied working a lowly paid job.

Oh! you even have salesforce certifications?

I never knew DSA was quite relevant and needed in salesforce development.

Combining frontend, salesforce and DSA is gonna be hell of work for me

But is it possible to start out solely as a salesforce developer(without going through the HTML,CSS,JS route) also learning DSA along side if salesforce development is the goal.

I Didn't know DSA were quite applicable in salesforce

SavageBoy:


Oh! you even have salesforce certifications?

I never knew DSA was quite relevant and needed in salesforce development.

Combining frontend, salesforce and DSA is gonna be hell of work for me

It's needed everywhere. I am currently interviewing with a crypto company for the role of a WordPress developer. The first stage was a codility quiz with a leetcode hard question. I have a technical whiteboard interview next week. During the initial interview they were asking me if I knew how to do elementor and all of that and I me I thought it will be an easy interview but here I am. You cant escape dsa based interviews except you don't want to earn well as a programmer. If you are okay with small companies that don't pay well then you are okay not learning dsa but to eat the big bucks I don't see how you can do it without dsa except you start your own company.

tensazangetsu20:

It's needed everywhere. I am currently interviewing with a crypto company for the role of a WordPress developer. The first stage was a codility quiz with a leetcode hard question. I have a technical whiteboard interview next week. During the initial interview they were asking me if I knew how to do elementor and all of that and I me I thought it will be an easy interview but here I am. You cant escape dsa based interviews except you don't want to earn well as a programmer. If you are okay with small companies that don't pay well then you are okay not learning dsa but to eat the big bucks I don't see how you can do it without dsa except you start your own company.

Though I didn't plan running away from DSA, just wanted to suspend it for now. When I've gotten the necessary skills and start earning few bucks, I'll pick it up. But seems like I'll have to integrate DSA in my learning journey with the aim of becoming a salesforce developer.

Thanks chief.

Let us be frank and from my research most of these DSA tests are just way to tell you, you are from Africa and not good enough or a way to weed out several applications. However, we can give you a chance if you pass this DSA stuff. Passing DSA tests is not a 100% test of skill. People will cram this DSA stuff and get into high paying jobs but when they are given complex tasks they falter. Most companies who give this DSA stuff are usually Americans. I heard Germans don't give DSa test. They give you a feature to implement and if you do well, they give you the job. I am not saying we should not study DSA but let us spend time developing our problem solving skills for the specific role we are applying for. Do I need to solve staircase problem or the travelling salesman before I can generate an API as a backend developer?
The worst part is after solving these tests they would tell you unfortunately. Go to their companies most people who work there don't know what is leetcode.

tensazangetsu20:

It's needed everywhere. I am currently interviewing with a crypto company for the role of a WordPress developer. The first stage was a codility quiz with a leetcode hard question. I have a technical whiteboard interview next week. During the initial interview they were asking me if I knew how to do elementor and all of that and I me I thought it will be an easy interview but here I am. You cant escape dsa based interviews except you don't want to earn well as a programmer. If you are okay with small companies that don't pay well then you are okay not learning dsa but to eat the big bucks I don't see how you can do it without dsa except you start your own company.

A hard Leetcode question? Seriously! Why na? What was the pay?

tensazangetsu20:

It's needed everywhere. I am currently interviewing with a crypto company for the role of a WordPress developer. The first stage was a codility quiz with a leetcode hard question. I have a technical whiteboard interview next week. During the initial interview they were asking me if I knew how to do elementor and all of that and I me I thought it will be an easy interview but here I am. You cant escape dsa based interviews except you don't want to earn well as a programmer. If you are okay with small companies that don't pay well then you are okay not learning dsa but to eat the big bucks I don't see how you can do it without dsa except you start your own company.

is not everywhere chief
https://github.com/poteto/hiring-without-whiteboards

jesmond3945:
is not everywhere chief
https://github.com/poteto/hiring-without-whiteboards

Very few companies use that. I have been interviewing since April and it's all dsa I get.

jesmond3945:
Let us be frank and from my research most of these DSA tests are just way to tell you, you are from Africa and not good enough or a way to weed out several applications. However, we can give you a chance if you pass this DSA stuff. Passing DSA tests is not a 100% test of skill. People will cram this DSA stuff and get into high paying jobs but when they are given complex tasks they falter. Most companies who give this DSA stuff are usually Americans. I heard Germans don't give DSa test. They give you a feature to implement and if you do well, they give you the job. I am not saying we should not study DSA but let us spend time developing our problem solving skills for the specific role we are applying for. Do I need to solve staircase problem or the travelling salesman before I can generate an API as a backend developer?
The worst part is after solving these tests they would tell you unfortunately. Go to their companies most people who work there don't know what is leetcode.

I don't agree that it is used to weed out Africans. Tests like these are used to evaluate your problem solving skills and whether you have the basic fundamental knowledge. Data Structures is a very fundamental part of being a programmer/software engineer

airsaylongcome:


I don't agree that it is used to weed out Africans. Tests like these are used to evaluate your problem solving skills and whether you have the basic fundamental knowledge. Data Structures is a very fundamental part of being a programmer/software engineer

not only Africans. Just weeding out numbers generally. I am in the system. Guys who don't even know what is leetcode are getting in and being paid fat. However, do DSA if you may.

namikaze:

A hard Leetcode question? Seriously! Why na? What was the pay?

Yes hard. It's one of those catch you questions that you can't do if you haven't done it before. The pay for the job is around 90000 USD a year and it's remote.

tensazangetsu20:


Very few companies use that. I have been interviewing since April and it's all dsa I get.

https://www.nowhiteboard.org/
You can target companies there.
This DSA stuff can weary somebody down but is good to open your brain up.

tensazangetsu20:


Yes hard. It's one of those catch you questions that you can't do if you haven't done it before. The pay for the job is around 90000 USD a year and it's remote.

you see. Is just to weed out people. 90k for remote is a lot of money.

Following...

jesmond3945:
not only Africans. Just weeding out numbers generally. I am in the system. Guys who don't even know what is leetcode are getting in and being paid fat. However, do DSA if you may.

Yes it is a means to whittle the numbers. And it's not only in Tech. Years ago I applied for an entry role in a Nigerian company that sells gas. Thousands of us applied and in the end only a handful were picked. Many people fell after aptitude test stage. And the aptitude tests themselves had no directly traceable link to the advertised roles. It's the same with DSA. They are like aptitude tests to weed out the wheat from the chaff. 90% of the time you won't need it on the job. But 100% of the time you need to excel at that aptitude test to put your foot in the door

tensazangetsu20:



The truth I wanted running away from frontend to Salesforce cause I hated DSA and I absolutely didn't wanna study or do any leetcode cause it was too difficult but after I got my Salesforce certifications, all the jobs I was applying to were asking me DSA and sending me DSA tests. Only one company sent me a take home test and the salary was lower than the job I had already. Omho niching down or not niching down better to know DSA except you are satisfied working a lowly paid job.

But in a forum on reddit I guess, people actually said most companies don't ask frontend engineers leetcode questions. And even if they do, they ask the easy ones. Most FE questions are always practical-based.

airsaylongcome:


I don't agree that it is used to weed out Africans. Tests like these are used to evaluate your problem solving skills and whether you have the basic fundamental knowledge. Data Structures is a very fundamental part of being a programmer/software engineer

That comment was out of emotions. I'm sure he has never attempted to apply to Big tech companies that have 100s of thousands of applications per year.

Just as you said, LC like problems evaluate problem solving skills. Besides, the probability of one seeing same LC question after the first round of interviews is like 1/5.

jesmond3945:

https://www.nowhiteboard.org/
You can target companies there.
This DSA stuff can weary somebody down but is good to open your brain up.

First two pages and like 60 percent of the jobs are from one company. Not learning dsa will severely limit you and even though most of these companies might not have a whiteboard session they would have online assessments which will 100 percent be dsa. Even I was told at the company I did the interview with at the initial interview that they don't do DSA lol but na still DSA. Better to be prepared and not need it than for it to come and not be prepared. Imagine Amazon coming to naija to recruit, do you how many tech companies will come to recruit. Out of 10 coming, 9 will use dsa

jbreezy:
But in a forum on reddit I guess, people actually said most companies don't ask frontend engineers leetcode questions. And even if they do, they ask the easy ones. Most FE questions are always practical-based.

You are on the wrong section on reddit. Frontend gets dsa very well. Infact from my experience no one cares about your stack. Since i started interviewing no one wants to know what I know, all they send is dsa. They don't care if I am backend or frontend or Salesforce or WordPress all they send is dsa.

airsaylongcome:


Yes it is a means to whittle the numbers. And it's not only in Tech. Years ago I applied for an entry role in a Nigerian company that sells gas. Thousands of us applied and in the end only a handful were picked. Many people fell after aptitude test stage. And the aptitude tests themselves had no directly traceable link to the advertised roles. It's the same with DSA. They are like aptitude tests to weed out the wheat from the chaff. 90% of the time you won't need it on the job. But 100% of the time you need to excel at that aptitude test to put your foot in the door

Some companies also send this aptitude tests to developers too. I had such tests from opera I think its a logical test where you had a limited time to match patterns of images. I didn't even bother cause all my preparation is dsa. I have only had such test twice. Opera and P and G. It's not as common as DSA but it's there.

tensazangetsu20:


Yes hard. It's one of those catch you questions that you can't do if you haven't done it before. The pay for the job is around 90000 USD a year and it's remote.

I see, still they took it too far, even FAANGs will mostly ask Leetcode medium questions.

tensazangetsu20:


First two pages and like 60 percent of the jobs are from one company. Not learning dsa will severely limit you and even though most of these companies might not have a whiteboard session they would have online assessments which will 100 percent be dsa. Even I was told at the company I did the interview with at the initial interview that they don't do DSA lol but na still DSA. Better to be prepared and not need it than for it to come and not be prepared. Imagine Amazon coming to naija to recruit, do you how many tech companies will come to recruit. Out of 10 coming, 9 will use dsa

I don't know why they're stressing themselves. If you're ok with what you earn, fine don't learn DSA. Allow those clamouring for 6 figures to do their thing.

The economy makes developers earning $1500-2500/month think that's all to it.

Some of us got ambitions

namikaze:

I see, still they took it too far, even FAANGs will mostly ask Leetcode medium questions.

Some mediums are also hard too. Some hards are easy. The prayer is to get what you can come with a solution to in a short time and it's by practicing lots and lots of questions.

Hannania:
I don't know why they're stressing themselves. If you're ok with what you earn, fine don't learn DSA. Allow those clamouring for 6 figures to do their thing.

The economy makes developers earning $1500-2500/month think that's all to it.

Some of us got ambitions

As in and most of the 1500 is with small startups and agencies. I think about the future a lot. I want a career I can grow in. With startups and agencies your career is limited. The money is good when you have like 0 experience but I dont wanna do it for long.

tensazangetsu20:


Some mediums are also hard too. Some hards are easy. The prayer is to get what you can come with a solution to in a short time and it's by practicing lots and lots of questions.

Yeah, the last medium I solved was pretty easy, and some easys are hard too, especially if they involve an algorithm you know nothing about. You just have to be lucky to get a question you actually know how to solve.

tensazangetsu20:


As in and most of the 1500 is with small startups and agencies. I think about the future a lot. I want a career I can grow in. With startups and agencies, your career is limited. The money is good when you have like 0 experience but I dont wanna do it for long.

For someone like me, I still plan to do a part-time MBA from Harvard or Walton school while working with the Big boys in the game. Getting to the CTO position of a fortune 500 is the epic goal

tensazangetsu20:


As in and most of the 1500 is with small startups and agencies. I think about the future a lot. I want a career I can grow in. With startups and agencies your career is limited. The money is good when you have like 0 experience but I dont wanna do it for long.

good day bro i'm learning devops engineering, do they ask dsa in interview for these roles?

So far this has been an engaging discussion. I'm a currently very busy to deliver a project. When I'm done I'll look at how I can contribute to this discussion and the possibility of having a platform that teaches the logic behind solving aloghrithm interview questions

Please, do. It'll be appreciated.

realunclej:
So far this has been an engaging discussion. I'm a currently very busy to deliver a project. When I'm done I'll look at how I can contribute to this discussion and the possibility of having a platform that teaches the logic behind solving aloghrithm interview questions

As an advise, if you're looking to work foreign remote and haven't gotten a job yet ; I would recommend that you get a Domiciliary account now. Do all the necessary leg work to get it down even if na $0.00 dey the account balance. You don't want to be running around trying to do it after you have gotten a job. You will be under too much pressure by then