I did not attend the just concluded Redeemed convention but I heard that Obasanjo was allowed on the pulpit personally I find this insulting to the body of Christ which i beleive RCCG represents.

Imagine that evil man on the pulpit the same man of "CAN my foot" on the pulpit

If you were there can you confirm what actually happened and what is your take on this.

I feel our religious leader are just being two mouthed. What makes OBJ a common sinner different from you and me.

I also heard that some Oba's go to the camp with their caps on. If this is true that means we have separate laws for the blue bloods and another for commoners for I doubt if I would be allowed to put on a cap in the Redemption camp.

N.B I am a christian but this is for you to air your opinion not to bash any religion!!!!!!

u know, it can be discouraging sometimes wen we see things like dis happening, but we should not forget the fact that

they are all God's children (OBJ & the obas). I think this can be related to some churches that bliv in "COME AS YOU

ARE" doctrine hoping that these pple will see the Light and change. I kind of support things like this, u know why? I

found out that Mahatma Gandhi went to a church wen he was still alive and was turned back at the door by the ushers

becos they felt he wasn't a christian but a radical and complicated fellow. Only God knows if that encounter would have

made him give his life to Christ. WHO KNOWS! But he was turned back.

So sleekdot don't be angry wen things like dis happen and let's be careful how we see them- we may see some of them in heaven

Thanx man.
But that means we can actually bend Gods laws atimes if we have a reason for it.
I can go into drugs because i want to convert the addict? What association has light with darkness? the bible says so.

So Tafa Balogun should be the next person on the pulpit that means when you are wealthy the law changes for you.

Then why did God send those that were trading out of the church when he saw them why did he not adopt the concept of come as you are?

In God's issue it's either white or not white nothing like skyblue or faint white.

"Judge not that you may not be judge." who are we to label obasanjo or any body evil. Let God decides, afterall Jesus Himself drove out the people from the temple and not priest/man.

@Poster

who makes u a judge to call someone an evil man? that evil man may go to heaven while u find your way to hell. be careful.

sleekdot:

Imagine that evil man on the pulpit the same man of "CAN my foot" on the pulpit

What was he doing on the PULPIT?

Is Lawrence Anini evil? Is Abacha evil? Is Tafa Balogun evil? Is IBB evil? Is Alams evil? Is Saddam Hussein evil? Is Idi Amin evil? Is Adolf Hitler evil?

If you have at any point in time called any of the above or anybody for that matter evil and now exonerating OBJ you are just a 2 faced hypocrite

That means any of the above mentioned too can be allowed to address a congregation?

So you mean we can not differentiate what/who is good and what/who is bad if then why were people admonished to stay away from evil and evil people. Or why did the Bible say what association has light with darkness?

An evil man is known by his deeds and the deeds of OBJ speaks volume about who he is.

I don't know what on earth will the EVIL DOER preach @ Redemption camp,i think the G.O said OBJ sidelined him during his third term agenda.What are they both trying to proclaim and can someone just gist us with Baba yawning @ the camp.

dayokanu:

So you mean we can not differentiate what/who is good and what/who is bad if then why were people admonished to stay away from evil and evil people. Or why did the Bible say what association has light with darkness?

Abeg yan them plenty!

toba1909:

I don't know what on earth will the EVIL DOER preach @ Redemption camp,i think the G.O said OBJ sidelined him during his third term agenda.What are they both trying to proclaim and can someone just gist us with Baba yawning @ the camp.

They must have been trying to reconcile their political imbroglio by that action - the platform for that being the PULPIT!

It is good to discern who is evil. Yes, anini is evil-an armed robber, abacha and sadaam are evil-tyrants, tafa is evil-corrupt policeman etc abi? You are quick to point them out why? Because they are in the news, who knows what people like you do in your closet that can't be called evil just because it isn't what those people you sited did. Tafa and obj are alive today meaning there is hope for them to be saved, what effort have you made to save them?
I learnt that in one of the RCCG's holy ghost service the pastor said that out of all the people present then, only 40 people are heaven bound what do u say about that? Abeg make una work for una own heaven and leave God to judge the evil afterall our mouth sef dey commit evil.

Hi Synthase,

I think you've completely missed the point. It's good to offer counsel, but that should not be made to patronize people who clearly have expressed themselves as anything than godly. Let's see:

Synthase:

It is good to discern who is evil. Yes, anini is evil-an armed robber, abacha and sadaam are evil-tyrants, tafa is evil-corrupt policeman etc abi? You are quick to point them out why? Because they are in the news, who knows what people like you do in your closet that can't be called evil just because it isn't what those people you sited did.

A leader and public figure bears more responsibility towards others than you and me who may not even come up on Google search! To try and treat them like they are shadowy figures is a great disservice to humanity! Please, what did James say again about those who will receive "greater condemnation" (Jam. 3:1)? That is why my curiosity is accentuated by the idea that OBJ was allowed on the PULPIT! What was he doing there?

Synthase:

Tafa and obj are alive today meaning there is hope for them to be saved, what effort have you made to save them?

So, candidates who are still 'hoping' to be saved can now ascend the PULPIT to address those who are already saved? I didn't mean to laugh, pardon me. . . but this is so, sooo funny!

Sorry, it is the other way round: first be saved, and then you can address others!

Synthase:

I learnt that in one of the RCCG's holy ghost service the pastor said that out of all the people present then, only 40 people are heaven bound what do u say about that?

I would say that pastor was anchoring for a publicity stint! How would he have known that ONLY 40 people were heaven bound? Did he give their names? How many were present in the gathering?

When we allow ourselves to be tingled by such clichés, we prove to ourselves that we no longer have the capacity to hear and discern from God directly for ourselves. Even apostle Paul did was open to his audience and made this wise remark: "I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say" (1 Cor. 10:15).

Synthase:

Abeg make una work for una own heaven and leave God to judge the evil afterall our mouth sef dey commit evil.

If we can no longer discern what is appropriate in the House of God, we had better close our Bibles and head home. When we get to "una own heaven", we go wise up, no be small!

Then, i think we need members of the RCCG here to come and clear somethings here like did obj really mount d pulpit and if he does was he preaching? What is the association of this man with the G.O knowing that he is an acclaimed evil man or he can,t simply see it? It's better to get our info right before jumping into conclusion and there should be room for benefit of doubts.

Synthase:

Then, i think we need members of the RCCG here to come and clear somethings here like did obj really mount d pulpit and if he does was he preaching? What is the association of this man with the G.O knowing that he is an acclaimed evil man or he can,t simply see it? It's better to get our info right before jumping into conclusion and there should be room for benefit of doubts.

You're right. I apologise for my silly laughs - someone was distracting me with petty annoyances over here, lol.

So, RCCG members. . . oya O! Clarification requested.

@pilgrim Thank you very much for understanding my line of argument. I am a Xtian but not a member of RCCG.
I cant deny the fact that RCCG has probably the largest followership in the country. and the G.O is probably the most respected christian leader in the country so any action by RCCG or the G.O is significant and speaks volume.

Is it that in RCCG anybody is allowed to preach on the pulpit?

If not anyone then what is the criteria for putting someone on the pulpit for its said God is no respecter or personalty we are all equal b4 God no President no beggar remember Lazarus.

If one of the biggest religious organisation should allow a person like OBJ on the pulpit what message are they sending out?
If a tyrannical ruler like OBJ is now preaching to people then where can we go for solace.

The populace that were oppressed by OBJ can only go to God for solace but when they were going to meet God they met the same person who oppressed them and sent them into misery preaching there.

Now The RCCG is where all polical leader now meet for retreatall those who sponsor thuggery, impoverish their citizen, rig election and even overtly or covertly murder opponents are now in attendance. For almost all south west govs attend the Camp. Even those diabolical Obas are now full members armed with their charms

Only God knows the way and can save us.

pilgrim.1:

What was he doing on the PULPIT?

probably giving his life to Christ.(lol)

@ topic,

as much as i'd like to say this or that, i think we should not blame them for letting him on the pulpit or are you to deny the ex president some audience? i think it was more like giving ceaser his due. it was nothing more than showing respect to an ex president no matter how evil we may think he is. thats my take though

I think we should clearify some things here.

1. Was OBJ preaching a message or was he giving a testimony?

2. If he was not preaching but giving a testimony, where do u think would ve been appropriate for him to stand?

3. What would u have advised GO to do if OBJ requested for time to testify of God's goodness? Turn him down?

Lets not also forget that Jesus mingled with different sinners when He was on earth. Sinners ranging from harlots, theives, tax collectors and all shades. That is the purpose of salvation: to reach out to those dirty and lost people.

So lets not call the whole stuff abomination. For if God could allow him climb the pulpit and hold the mic; who are we to object?

We're still waiting for clarification from "Redeemers" (as they sometimes call themselves here) or RCCG. What exactly happened at KM-camp?

Aproko:

probably giving his life to Christ.(lol)

Anything can happen, girlfriend. . . anything can happen. Nigeria should prepare for the day when OBJ will open his own parish. No, seriously. That day is soon. . . and then we might see how Naija might react! (A prophet/president/parishioner-turned-pastor has no honour in his own country, abi?).

I can now see the problem here for most people: partly obj's visit to the camp and more of GO's relationship with him.
I wouldnt know if obanikoro is a member of the church but he has given a reasonable answer. Let's just wait and see what happens after obj graduates from NOUN, for now dont misyarn.

Its ridiculous for someone with a sane mind to post up this nonsence, Everybody is welcomed into the house of God, the difference is whether u are in his presence of not, but for the church, everybody is welcomed, How will he (obasanjo) hear the word if u think he shouldnt be allowed? , , he needs to hear the word, he has got a choose , remember , GOD LOVES OBASANJO LIKE HE LOVES U

; Read psalm 37 and psalm 78, u will understand about him(Obasanjo)

Lets call a spade a spade.the issue here is not that Obasanjo attended redeemed camp BUT THAT HE PREACHED AT THE PULPIT.
I wounder what some of our pastors are turning into.Even our Bible mention that before you will be an elder or priest there must be holiness ,modesty etc in you.
Our pastors has to be very careful in whom they invite to preach because it might lead the baby belivers into sin.

cyblez:

Lets call a spade a spade.the issue here is not that Obasanjo attended redeemed camp BUT THAT HE PREACHED AT THE PULPIT.

That's the issue that I've been asking RCCG members who attended that convention to confirm for us.