In Islam, what is the greatest act of love Allah has ever accomplished?  I asked this question of several Muslims and I got similar answers:  he forgave us of our sins; he gave us families and provisions; he showed us mercy; he gave us the Qur'an.  The answers didn't vary much beyond these responses.  I found them lacking.

Most Muslims believe that the Bible is not trustworthy, that it has been corrupted, that the Injeel (gospel) of Jesus has been lost, and the Qur'an restores God's truth to mankind. But, that is another subject to be debated.

In John 15:13 Jesus said, "Greater love has no man than this, that he lay his life down for his friend." I have the Nestle Aland Greek New Testament with the textual apparatus included in it. The textual apparatus is the complete listing (per verse) of any textual variants that occur in any of the ancient New Testament manuscripts.  Therefore, it is a very easy thing to go to John 15:13 and look at the textual evidence to see if there are any manuscripts at all, anywhere that have any variation on that verse. There are none. In other words, there is not a single manuscript of the more than 25,000 manuscripts of the NT that have a different translation on that verse. Every single one of them says the exact same thing. I will, therefore, conclude that it is an authentic and reliable saying of Jesus.

Again, Jesus said, "Greater love has no man than this, that he lay his life down for his friend." According to Jesus, the greatest act of love is to sacrifice one's life for another. This means that giving one's life for another is a greater act of love than providing food for him, giving him a family, being nice to him, or honest, or helpful, or whatever. Self-sacrifice, to the point of death, is the very greatest act of love.

Has Allah performed the greatest act of love?  The answer is no.  Allah has not sacrificed himself at all.  Allah has not died for another.  Allah has not loved us to the point of death.  In Christianity, Jesus, who is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14), laid His life down for us.  Jesus performed the greatest act of love.

If Islam is true,

If Islam is true and Allah is the true God, then Jesus, a creation (according to Islam) has performed a greater act of love than Allah (according to the Bible).  A mere man has outdone Allah in love and sacrifice.  But, of course, Islam denies that Jesus ever died.  They then say that Jesus has not done the greatest act of love.  Their denial does not change the fact that Jesus died on the cross as is amply attested to by the eyewitnesses who wrote the gospel.  Besides, whether or not the Muslim believes Jesus died on the cross does not change the fact that Jesus told us what the greatest act of love was -- and Allah has not done it.  Yet, according to Christianity He has.  Since Muslims want Christians to adopt Islam, they are asking Christians to give up their Lord who has performed the greatest act of love on their behalf.  Why would they want to do that?

If Christianity is true, then God has performed the greatest act of love.  If Islam is true, then God hasn't.  Which "god," then is more loving, the one who speaks of love, or the one who acts out love?

I have found no where in the Qur'an where it says that Allah is love.  The Qur'an says that Allah loves people, but it never says that Allah is love.  By contrast, the Bible clearly tells us that God is love.  "And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him," (1 John 4:16).

Who does God love?

Does God love all?  In Islam, the answer is no. In Christianity, the answer is yes.  Consider the following verses from the Qur'an.

"Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and messengers, to Gabriel and Michael,- Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith," (2:98, Trans. Yusuf Ali)
"Say: Obey Allah and the Messenger; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers," 3:32, Trans. Shakir).



Consider the following verses from the Bible

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life," (John 3:16).

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.' 44 "But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you 45 in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 "For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax-gatherers do the same? 47 "And if you greet your brothers only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect," (Matt. 5:43-48).

We can easily see the huge difference between the God of Islam and the God of the Bible.  In Islam, God does not love all people.  In the Bible, God does love all people.  In Islam, Allah did not die for the sins of those who were not his.  In the Bible, God did do that.  In Islam, Allah has not performed the greatest act of love.  In the Bible, God did exactly that.

My question to the Muslims is, "What makes you think that I want to give up my Lord who loves me so much that He would die for me, and did die for me, for a god who has not and cannot perform the greatest act of love?

@Frosbel; « on: Today at 12:15:23 AM »
[Quote]In Islam, what is the greatest act of love Allah has ever accomplished? I asked this question of several Muslims and I got similar answers: he forgave us of our sins; he gave us families and provisions; he showed us mercy; he gave us the Qur'an. The answers didn't vary much beyond these responses. I found them lacking.[/Quote]one of the Names of Allah is "Al Wadud"; The Loving. The Loving is greater than Love itself. He is the One that has the Love that He actions. it is that action that you experience. Surely the possessor of love is more than the love he possesses. Your mother is more important than the motherhood she displays as her form of affection for you.



[Quote]Most Muslims believe that the Bible is not trustworthy, that it has been corrupted, that the Injeel (gospel) of Jesus has been lost, and the Qur'an restores God's truth to mankind. But, that is another subject to be debated.

In John 15:13 Jesus said, "Greater love has no man than this, that he lay his life down for his friend." I have the Nestle Aland Greek New Testament with the textual apparatus included in it. The textual apparatus is the complete listing (per verse) of any textual variants that occur in any of the ancient New Testament manuscripts. Therefore, it is a very easy thing to go to John 15:13 and look at the textual evidence to see if there are any manuscripts at all, anywhere that have any variation on that verse. There are none. In other words, there is not a single manuscript of the more than 25,000 manuscripts of the NT that have a different translation on that verse. Every single one of them says the exact same thing. I will, therefore, conclude that it is an authentic and reliable saying of Jesus.

Again, Jesus said, "Greater love has no man than this, that he lay his life down for his friend." According to Jesus, the greatest act of love is to sacrifice one's life for another. This means that giving one's life for another is a greater act of love than providing food for him, giving him a family, being nice to him, or honest, or helpful, or whatever. Self-sacrifice, to the point of death, is the very greatest act of love.[/Quote]and the creation who gives up his life for his friend is nor equal or greater than the Creator of the two of them Who gave them lives in the first place, and preserves them to the point that the other thinks [if it is true. not] that he needs to die so that the other may remain alive? what if the Creator refuses the creation willing to sacrifice himself/herself for the good of the other, the friend? does he/her out of her selflessness kills himself/herself by other means without the death that the Creator has created to take lives?

the one who killed himself [if it happened] left his friend to deal with emotion that comes with knowing that the other died for him, unless he doesn't have true emotion. the friend left alone may actually suffers many calamities, loneliness, poverty, lack of companionship, etc based on the death of the one who sacrificed himself. sacrificing yourself is a sin. this is murder, suicide. can such a friend create the life he lost for his friend, when it was the Creator that has Power of life and death and He does not die and always alive before life itself began [very unique quality these are]? The One Who has the Power to give them lives, preserve their lives and in due course take their lives as He Wills is always the Greater.



[Quote]Has Allah performed the greatest act of love? The answer is no. Allah has not sacrificed himself at all. Allah has not died for another. Allah has not loved us to the point of death. In Christianity, Jesus, who is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14), laid His life down for us. Jesus performed the greatest act of love.[/Quote]do you have to die to show love at all? first, the verse you quoted much much earlier could not have came from Jesus, because he could not be speaking about what will happen in the future in a textural language as if it had already happened. read it again. and to make Jesus become God as above is dishonest because no eyes have ever seen God. Ever. Jesus included. he came to being as i did; from mother's womb. he was lifted up by Allah's Power. and he has not been returned, so to even say he is God is against that verse, because all his friends and enemies in his time so him. he ran from some and later hid himself because he did not want them to get him again [and no one truly dies more than one time].

Allah is the Creator of death on creations. how is death itself a creation have power its Creator? who oversees creation if Creator dies or does not exist? Mercy of His Power is His Mercy without anything being sacrifice to have that Mercy.



[Quote]If Islam is true,

If Islam is true and Allah is the true God, then Jesus, a creation (according to Islam) has performed a greater act of love than Allah (according to the Bible). A mere man has outdone Allah in love and sacrifice. But, of course, Islam denies that Jesus ever died. They then say that Jesus has not done the greatest act of love. Their denial does not change the fact that Jesus died on the cross as is amply attested to by the eyewitnesses who wrote the gospel. Besides, whether or not the Muslim believes Jesus died on the cross does not change the fact that Jesus told us what the greatest act of love was -- and Allah has not done it. Yet, according to Christianity He has. Since Muslims want Christians to adopt Islam, they are asking Christians to give up their Lord who has performed the greatest act of love on their behalf. Why would they want to do that?[/Quote]the last i checked, the bibles [many versions, many revisions, many, many and no 2 versions are alike] say that Jesus begged that he be not be allowed to have the cup on his head. then he added 'not as by my will, but as per Your will.' unless he was talking to himself, he must be talking to the Holder of Authority. this by your books is Yahweh/Jehovah. by my Book, He is Allah. your bibles said he was told that he will be supported by the 'heavenly support/being' that God will send. this heavenly being is Angel Gabriel from the islam viewpoint. how did the support from Yahweh/Jehovah manifested itself if you said Jesus was hung? what would have happened except hanging if Yahweh or Jehovah didn't send any support? Are you saying that the support from Yahweh/Jehovah is weak that Jesus lost his life anyhow, or Jehoah/Yahweh lied to him with promise of support that he did not send or made ineffective? you are on your own in your mess. clean it up.

Allah promised to protect Jesus, from his enemies so that they do not humiliate him, a Messenger and prophet that He sent. so He protected him. you say Yahweh failed His son; what a father, what a powerhouse. if he was His prophet, He should not allow him to be so humiliated, and as Paul puts it his soul is cursed. Allah on the other hand protect and preserved the life of His Messenger. That is Power, Might, Love. The Love is more than Love.



[Quote]If Christianity is true, then God has performed the greatest act of love. If Islam is true, then God hasn't. Which "god," then is more loving, the one who speaks of love, or the one who acts out love?

I have found no where in the Qur'an where it says that Allah is love. The Qur'an says that Allah loves people, but it never says that Allah is love. By contrast, the Bible clearly tells us that God is love. "And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him," (1 John 4:16).[/Quote]by my responses above i have hinted what is christianity. Al Wadud is The Loving. That is much greater than Love.



[Quote]Who does God love?

Does God love all? In Islam, the answer is no. In Christianity, the answer is yes.[/Quote]Yahweh loved Pharaoh and Moses equally. Oh. Yahweh/Jehovah loved Goliath and David equally. continue to bury yourself in ignorance since you dont see that only those Jehovah loved will end up in [lake of fire; you wanna go there or why is it created except for those hated?].



[Quote]Consider the following verses from the Qur'an.

"Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and messengers, to Gabriel and Michael,- Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith," (2:98, Trans. Yusuf Ali)
"Say: Obey Allah and the Messenger; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers," 3:32, Trans. Shakir).[/Quote]Honest God is greater than deceiving God who is not truly a God by deceiving those who He says He loves.



[Quote]Consider the following verses from the Bible

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life," (John 3:16).[/Quote]who is the wife of Yahweh/Jehovah unless the child is a bastard?



[Quote]"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.' 44 "But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you 45 in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 "For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax-gatherers do the same? 47 "And if you greet your brothers only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect," (Matt. 5:43-48).[/Quote]there is an irony here, considering that Jesus said he came to fulfill that very laws of Moses that says hate your enemies. how can he therefore abolish the thing he warned that whosoever abolishes or encourages any to abolish even the a jot amount of it shall be the least in the kingdom of heaven. tell me from the above, what is the station of Jesus; least or what unless someone in the bibles or writers of the bibles lied? i told somebody that the bibles have made the mouth of Jesus and others declared sons and maybe no daughters for Yahweh/Jehovah. whats so special about a son when everywhere you turn there is a son? I bet Jesus didn't think about this great love of his when he was chasing the money changers off the plaza. and when he called a tribe dogs. or people vampires, evil and adulterous generation seeking a sign. who were the people seeking a sign except his disciples; these were the evil and adulterous generation. what about your generation? ye of little faith, jesus said about the 12. imagine your own condition.



[Quote]We can easily see the huge difference between the God of Islam and the God of the Bible. In Islam, God does not love all people. In the Bible, God does love all people. In Islam, Allah did not die for the sins of those who were not his. In the Bible, God did do that. In Islam, Allah has not performed the greatest act of love. In the Bible, God did exactly that.[/Quote]the biblical God loves people so much that when He was One He was known as Yahweh Who wasted the children of Israel after saving them from Egypt. He wasted them in the desert that 40 day journey turned out to be 40 years so that all adults could die before the destination. Why did he let them waste that much time; it was out of His love for them. it was His love that made everyone who was adult at the start to never reached destination. is this love or hate? He loved them in spite of their making a golden calf, a think they all died for, the adults i mean. then He made a law that Only He to be worshiped. the christian missed that part of Only He, so they worship 3 Gods; Jehovah Who used to be Yahweh, Holy Ghost Who is not known with any proper name except His function; running errands, getting Mary knocked up [pregnant; these are claims of the christians] and Jesus who used to be a son, and father and son of man and prophet [how am i doing so far?]. it is after the Golden Calf that the children of Israel learned that Only God must be worshiped and no graven image [the christians missed the graven image, also so the have a man hanging on a wooden plank on a wooden plank [cross, instead of a tree where the said Jesus the 3rd God was hung by Jews or Romans; make your own choice]]. where is love in this or love has to hurt? no man has been saved from death yet after the alleged death of Jesus to save his believers.

this dude is so timid that he couldn't say the biblical God died, so he said the 'bible God did that'! God knows your home address. wayo man. A God that dies is no God, even the 9japagan will agree there. you don't have God, man. you only have 3 gods.



[Quote]My question to the Muslims is, "What makes you think that I want to give up my Lord who loves me so much that He would die for me, and did die for me, for a god who has not and cannot perform the greatest act of love?[/Quote]Allah does not need to kill anyone like Jehovah killed Himself or His son or an innocent man [Jesus begged. we know he did not bargain for it and unwilling to die. he cried out if only in complaint at best, while the little boy of Abraham didn't complain. Jesus was a grown man, over 30 is grown while the son of Abraham is much younger than that]. Allah simply requires obedience from you and sincere repentance. even with all the killing by Jehovah who suddenly became 3, wasting 1 part, the christian still have to obey [obedience] and confesses [repentance], otherwise they will go to lake of fire [hell fire]. so one should ask, what is the real value of the death? only for confession [repentance]?

here is love for you coming from the Loving;
Quran; 9 verses 4/7, 19 verse 96, 2 verse 195, 3 verse134/148, 5 verse 13/93, 4 verse 42, 49 verse 9, 60 verse 8, 61 verse 4, 2 verse 222,
9 verse 108, 3 verse 159.
love for the Loving; 2 verse 165/177, 3 verse 31, 5 verse 54, 21 verse 90, 76 verse 8

here is my conclusion and reality check for you; the One Who holds sway of everything does not subject Himself to what is not fitting to His Position. there is no way the father of the house is going to use the bathroom and ask that mom diaper him as the 6 month old baby. what befits an entity is what that entity does. God will not 'submit' Himself to death just like man who has to die, and thats the only way you said God must show His love. how about just giving an easy to reach goal, a task that every sane person can do; washing up and sincerely bowing yourself to Him; exactly what jesus did in the garden?

The God of Muslim as you termed Him is God of All in reality and Jesus said God is greater than all. This Great God is Allah Who does not tag you with a sin from your mother's womb, or for somebody's mistake you are punished with working hard and your wife goes through pain and Jesus was humiliated to death. guess what; you still have to work hard and your wife still goes through the pain. so what purpose has jesus served? ZERO.

now, no man is recorded with any sin until the time he reaches sexual maturity. so maybe up to about the age of 14 to 16 you are okay, even if you make mistake. but Jehovah overladen you with sins of Adam and Eve. So where is justice here when you have done nothing wrong of your own yet? Starting from zero when you reach puberty is much much better than starting from negative when you got out of mother's womb. so when you are teething and you bite her when suckling, that is added sin.

I am grateful that Allah has made my heart lean towards Islam.

Una want start again.@op why u day ask that kind question?

@Sweetnecta

Sone of the Names of Allah is "Al Wadud"; The Loving. The Loving is greater than Love itself. He is the One that has the Love that He actions. it is that action that you experience. Surely the possessor of love is more than the love he possesses. Your mother is more important than the motherhood she displays as her form of affection for you.

Love is an action , if you do not show it , you aint got it. If a husband possesses all the love in the world but the wife has never experienced it, what is the point ?

The disturbing thing with Islam, is that ALLAH never sacrifices anything for his followers, they do all the sacrificing.

They kill for him, die for him, give him their money , go on pilgrimage to worship his image and ALLAH makes sure his followers worldwide can only pray to him in Arabic.

What kind of LOVE is that ?

Whereas Jesus laid down the most precious thing any man has, HIS LIFE.

and the creation who gives up his life for his friend is nor equal or greater than the Creator of the two of them Who gave them lives in the first place, and preserves them to the point that the other thinks [if it is true. not] that he needs to die so that the other may remain alive? what if the Creator refuses the creation willing to sacrifice himself/herself for the good of the other, the friend? does he/her out of her selflessness kills himself/herself by other means without the death that the Creator has created to take lives?

Jesus Christ was not created. He was God expressing himself physically.

The blood shed was Royal blood to wipe out the sins of mankind.

Muslims have no such assurance of salvation, they must kill for their creator.

ALLAH is LAZY, Period!!

the one who killed himself [if it happened] left his friend to deal with emotion that comes with knowing that the other died for him, unless he doesn't have true emotion. the friend left alone may actually suffers many calamities, loneliness, poverty, lack of companionship, etc based on the death of the one who sacrificed himself. sacrificing yourself is a sin. this is murder, suicide. can such a friend create the life he lost for his friend, when it was the Creator that has Power of life and death and He does not die and always alive before life itself began [very unique quality these are]? The One Who has the Power to give them lives, preserve their lives and in due course take their lives as He Wills is always the Greater

.

He did not kill himself, he was killed.

And he did not leave  his friends alone, they saw him after his resurrection for a few weeks and he sent to them the Holy Spirit to teach and comfort his church.

Please read the bible, stop quoting from your imams.

do you have to die to show love at all?

Oh the arrogance of ISLAM. Since when did men decide how GOD will save his creation ? Jesus died because he loved us and did and still does not want anyone to perish.

Unlike ALLAH who wants non-Muslims to be wiped out.

first, the verse you quoted much much earlier could not have came from Jesus, because he could not be speaking about what will happen in the future in a textural language as if it had already happened. read it again. and to make Jesus become God as above is dishonest because no eyes have ever seen God. Ever. Jesus included. he came to being as i did; from mother's womb. he was lifted up by Allah's Power. and he has not been returned, so to even say he is God is against that verse, because all his friends and enemies in his time so him. he ran from some and later hid himself because he did not want them to get him again [and no one truly dies more than one time].

Another fairy tale

Allah is the Creator of death on creations. how is death itself a creation have power its Creator? who oversees creation if Creator dies or does not exist? Mercy of His Power is His Mercy without anything being sacrifice to have that Mercy.

Jesus was God manifesting himself physically to mankind.

God the father was still in charge.

the last i checked, the bibles [many versions, many revisions, many, many and no 2 versions are alike] say that Jesus begged that he be not be allowed to have the cup on his head. then he added 'not as by my will, but as per Your will.' unless he was talking to himself, he must be talking to the Holder of Authority. this by your books is Yahweh/Jehovah. by my Book, He is Allah. your bibles said he was told that he will be supported by the 'heavenly support/being' that God will send. this heavenly being is Angel Gabriel from the islam viewpoint. how did the support from Yahweh/Jehovah manifested itself if you said Jesus was hung? what would have happened except hanging if Yahweh or Jehovah didn't send any support? Are you saying that the support from Yahweh/Jehovah is weak that Jesus lost his life anyhow, or Jehoah/Yahweh lied to him with promise of support that he did not send or made ineffective? you are on your own in your mess. clean it up.

Allah promised to protect Jesus, from his enemies so that they do not humiliate him, a Messenger and prophet that He sent. so He protected him. you say Yahweh failed His son; what a father, what a powerhouse. if he was His prophet, He should not allow him to be so humiliated, and as Paul puts it his soul is cursed. Allah on the other hand protect and preserved the life of His Messenger. That is Power, Might, Love. The Love is more than Love.

Lol,

What gibberish.

Yahweh loved Pharaoh and Moses equally. Oh. Yahweh/Jehovah loved Goliath and David equally. continue to bury yourself in ignorance since you dont see that only those Jehovah loved will end up in [lake of fire; you wanna go there or why is it created except for those hated?].

God's punishment is for sinners, those who die in their sins.

It is for the murderers, liars, thieves, adulterers, robbers, proud , gossips, sexually perverse, rebellious etc.

Obviously in Islam all the people mentioned above are saved and go to paradise if they die in jihad or go to Mecca and give alms.


Stop deceiving yourself.

Honest God is greater than deceiving God who is not truly a God by deceiving those who He says He loves.

But one of ALLAH's names is the great deceiver as confirmed by the Quran.

But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30

who is the wife of Yahweh/Jehovah unless the child is a bastard?

The Jews say the same thing , they call Jesus a bastard, you are all on the same page here.

Judaism, Catholicism and Islam , the 3 man made false satanic religions.

this dude is so timid that he couldn't say the biblical God died, so he said the 'bible God did that'! God knows your home address. wayo man. A God that dies is no God, even the 9japagan will agree there. you don't have God, man. you only have 3 gods.

We worship ONE GOD, YAHWEH.

You worship what you do not know.

Allah does not need to kill anyone like Jehovah killed Himself or His son or an innocent man [Jesus begged. we know he did not bargain for it and unwilling to die. he cried out if only in complaint at best, while the little boy of Abraham didn't complain. Jesus was a grown man, over 30 is grown while the son of Abraham is much younger than that]. Allah simply requires obedience from you and sincere repentance. even with all the killing by Jehovah who suddenly became 3, wasting 1 part, the christian still have to obey [obedience] and confesses [repentance], otherwise they will go to lake of fire [hell fire]. so one should ask, what is the real value of the death? only for confession [repentance]?

ALLAH is a figment of your imagination, he is a moon god.

here is love for you coming from the Loving;
Quran; 9 verses 4/7, 19 verse 96,  2 verse 195,  3 verse134/148,  5 verse 13/93,  4 verse 42,  49 verse 9,  60 verse 8,  61 verse 4,  2 verse 222,
9 verse 108,  3 verse 159.
love for the Loving; 2 verse 165/177,  3 verse 31,  5 verse 54,  21 verse 90,  76 verse 8

Sure LOVE that cannot show any sacrifice and LOVE that wants half of mankind wiped out. Sounds like Satan's invention of LOVE to me.

here is my conclusion and reality check for you; the One Who holds sway of everything does not subject Himself to what is not fitting to His Position. there is no way the father of the house is going to use the bathroom and ask that mom diaper him as the 6 month old baby. what befits an entity is what that entity does. God will not 'submit' Himself to death just like man who has to die, and thats the only way you said God must show His love. how about just giving an easy to reach goal, a task that every sane person can do; washing up and sincerely bowing yourself to Him; exactly what jesus did in the garden?

Your ALLAH is a distant , disinterested deity.

A deity who never for once revealed himself to mankind, after all  what Muhammad experienced was an angel trying to strangle him, he never saw or heard from GOD direct.

The God of Muslim as you termed Him is God of All in reality and Jesus said God is greater than all. This Great God is Allah Who does not tag you with a sin from your mother's womb, or for somebody's mistake you are punished with working hard and your wife goes through pain and Jesus was humiliated to death. guess what; you still have to work hard and your wife still goes through the pain. so what purpose has jesus served? ZERO.

The GOD of Muslims is the GOD OF ARABS.

now, no man is recorded with any sin until the time he reaches intimate maturity. so maybe up to about the age of 14 to 16 you are okay, even if you make mistake. but Jehovah overladen you with sins of Adam and Eve. So where is justice here when you have done nothing wrong of your own yet? Starting from zero when you reach puberty is much much better than starting from  negative when you got out of mother's womb. so when you are teething and you bite her when suckling, that is added sin.

Are you certain that if you die today you will make heaven, even in your sins, your lusts, lies, anger etc etc.

If you die in your sins, without Jesus you will surely perish.

ALLAH can never give you an assurance of salvation.

I am grateful that Allah has made my heart lean towards Islam.

You have rejected Jesus Christ, because it is convenient for you to carry on with religions show while living and dead in your sins.

May God have mercy on your soul.

@Frosbel; « #3 on: Today at 10:02:27 AM »
[Quote]@Sweetnecta

Quote
Sone of the Names of Allah is "Al Wadud"; The Loving. The Loving is greater than Love itself. He is the One that has the Love that He actions. it is that action that you experience. Surely the possessor of love is more than the love he possesses. Your mother is more important than the motherhood she displays as her form of affection for you.

Love is an action , if you do not show it , you aint got it. If a husband possesses all the love in the world but the wife has never experienced it, what is the point ?

The disturbing thing with Islam, is that ALLAH never sacrifices anything for his followers,[/Quote]sacrifice something to whom? Himself like the egotistical Yahweh/Jehovah killing himself or his son as Jesus [thats what you say happened], who was not willing to die by the begging and the complains [God Almighty I hate complaining]. this is what you are happy about while you should be sad that your god is vulnerable and he is within the harms way of mere mortals? its very sad that you can't see that he is fake God.



[Quote]they do all the sacrificing.

They kill for him, die for him, give him their money , go on pilgrimage to worship his image and ALLAH makes sure his followers worldwide can only pray to him in Arabic.

What kind of LOVE is that ?[/Quote]The bold is the biggest lie. if you find his image and Allah, which you said on the pilgrimage, please show it or them to us. You must be thinking that we worship your less than all knowing, sometimes regretting and having image god? Allah is Absolute and there is nothing like Him. I see that you love lies; you lie on Yahweh as Jehovah. You lie on Jehovah as Jesus. You lie on Jesus as getting his mother pregnant. It is easier for you to lie on Allah. shame on you mr. fung [i cant say mr. frosbel].

the other part of your post shows love, reverence of believers to Him. Do you remember what Jesus said, about the Greatest command? You shall love your God with all your heart. While you guys are failing, Muslims are acting. Yahweh demands obedience to Him by the 10 Commandments. While you are refusing, Muslims are obeying. You see why you are a hypocrite? you only say what you will not do.



[Quote]Whereas Jesus laid down the most precious thing any man has, HIS LIFE.[/Quote]Animals at slaughter complain. they will die. but do they volunteer? do they lay down their lives? was it not force away from them by those who have the power to take it? this is what you are saying that happened to Jesus, either as Yahweh/Jehovah or son of Yahweh/Jehovah or Prophet of Yahweh/Jehovah. If he had not begged we would have let it go. If he had not complained on the tree we would have not mentioned it. but he begged and later complained, blaming Yahweh/Jehovah, himself [your choice]. did Yahweh/Jehovah himself deceived himself or you are the one deceived of the whole thing?

[Quote]Jesus Christ was not created. He was God expressing himself physically.

The blood shed was Royal blood to wipe out the sins of mankind.

Muslims have no such assurance of salvation, they must kill for their creator.

ALLAH is LAZY, Period!![/Quote]No eyes have seen God. How does that make sense when you said your God is Jesus? Who is correct; No Eyes have seen God or you who says Jesus is God? With all the royal blood every christian can't say s/he will enter Paradise. what therefore is the assurance and what good is a watered down royal blood? The Quran mentions Paradise of many kinds and levels; all for Muslims from Adam [as] onward to the last man that will enter Islam at the end of time




[Quote]He did not kill himself, he was killed.

[b]And he did not leave his friends alone, they saw him after his resurrection for a few weeks and he sent to them the Holy Spirit to teach and comfort his church[/b].

Please read the bible, stop quoting from your imams.[/Quote]I read the Bibles, already. And your case is worse than I thought. A powerhouse that is killed is not really a powerhouse. Yahweh killed Pharaoh. Now that Yahweh was God. David killed Goliath. Now David was boss. Jesus was killed and he was what again, now? Elementary my dear Watson. I think elementary is over your head.




[Quote]Oh the arrogance of ISLAM. Since when did men decide how GOD will save his creation ? Jesus died because he loved us and did and still does not want anyone to perish.

Unlike ALLAH who wants non-Muslims to be wiped out.[/Quote]Yahweh killed Pharaoh and his army to save a portion of mankind. If he wants to save mankind Yahweh will kill the oppressors of mankind; greed, satan, etc, not kill just one man an innocent man at that who resisted and not through the hands of his oppressors. He would not kill Himself either. Yahweh could easily give easier laws to follow to make it much easier for everyone to be saved by just Him saying I save you; Quran in Islam of Muhammad does that. This is why Muhammad [as] invited kings, emperors, rulers of his time to Islam by saying in writing "This is Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah. Enter Islam and be benefited [be saved by Allah from the disaster of the day of Judgment]. And if you refuse, at least know that we are muslims, bowing our wills to Allah.' A beauty and an easy way to salvation, unlike killing of innocent man who begged before and complained to the bitter end.




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first, the verse you quoted much much earlier could not have came from Jesus, because he could not be speaking about what will happen in the future in a textural language as if it had already happened. read it again. and to make Jesus become God as above is dishonest because no eyes have ever seen God. Ever. Jesus included. he came to being as i did; from mother's womb. he was lifted up by Allah's Power. and he has not been returned, so to even say he is God is against that verse, because all his friends and enemies in his time so him. he ran from some and later hid himself because he did not want them to get him again [and no one truly dies more than one time].

Another fairy tale[/Quote]Read your bible you may actually find a tooth fairy there. It is the bibles that Moses wrote about his own funeral as if he was watching it and no one saw that funeral. I agree. it is a fairy tale from your Bibles.




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Allah is the Creator of death on creations. how is death itself a creation have power its Creator? who oversees creation if Creator dies or does not exist? Mercy of His Power is His Mercy without anything being sacrifice to have that Mercy.

Jesus was God manifesting himself physically to mankind.

God the father was still in charge.[/Quote]Bann zoom right on the kisser. If I have a dollar collected from the christians who come up with this statement on a game of truth or dare, by now I would be owner of Chicago Bulls. I know michael left that franchise a long time now. How is God Who says no one can see Him will come down as baby jesus, then suckled on Mary until he is strong, run away from enemies, hid himself from enemies after rising from death as you and your bibles claim, being raised up by the God he was begging and crying to Who had promised to protect him, yet God through it all? this is wild, sir. It is unbelievable because "True God" is not the Author of confusion. If what you said, which is what I filled in the gap for you is not Confusion, then what is CONFUSION?




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the last i checked, the bibles [many versions, many revisions, many, many and no 2 versions are alike] say that Jesus begged that he be not be allowed to have the cup on his head. then he added 'not as by my will, but as per Your will.' unless he was talking to himself, he must be talking to the Holder of Authority. this by your books is Yahweh/Jehovah. by my Book, He is Allah. your bibles said he was told that he will be supported by the 'heavenly support/being' that God will send. this heavenly being is Angel Gabriel from the islam viewpoint. how did the support from Yahweh/Jehovah manifested itself if you said Jesus was hung? what would have happened except hanging if Yahweh or Jehovah didn't send any support? Are you saying that the support from Yahweh/Jehovah is weak that Jesus lost his life anyhow, or Jehoah/Yahweh lied to him with promise of support that he did not send or made ineffective? you are on your own in your mess. clean it up.

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Allah promised to protect Jesus, from his enemies so that they do not humiliate him, a Messenger and prophet that He sent. so He protected him. you say Yahweh failed His son; what a father, what a powerhouse. if he was His prophet, He should not allow him to be so humiliated, and as Paul puts it his soul is cursed. Allah on the other hand protect and preserved the life of His Messenger. That is Power, Might, Love. The Loving is more than Love.

Lol, Grin Grin Grin

What gibberish.[quote][/Quote]You dont know that The One Who Loves you is more than the Love he shows you? You have a lot to learn




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Yahweh loved Pharaoh and Moses equally. Oh. Yahweh/Jehovah loved Goliath and David equally. continue to bury yourself in ignorance since you dont see that only those Jehovah loved will end up in [lake of fire; you wanna go there or why is it created except for those hated?].


God's punishment is for sinners, those who die in their sins.

It is for the murderers, liars, thieves, adulterers, robbers, proud , gossips, sexually perverse, rebellious etc.

Obviously in Islam all the people mentioned above are saved and go to paradise if they die in jihad or go to Mecca and give alms.[/Quote]First the man said God of the Bibles loved all without any discrimination, until i forced him to pen the bold. Make up your mind and dont be a religious prostitute going for the highest bidder. if you do, I will toy with your emotion as much as you engage me. I already warned you to be steadfast. Allah will deliver you to the power of my writing. In Islam the last act is is the greatest act. a man who was a disbeliever and changed his ways and believed, will enter Paradise by the Mercy of Allah if he dies on that belief.All his past sins have been forgiven and transferred as good deeds. A man who has always believed and turn to disbelief and dies on it. what do you think? First the disbelievers will be responsible for his burial. thats a sign right there.




[Quote]Stop deceiving yourself.[/Quote]I did not say God is 3 while 1, remember this is your concept? so who is deceiving himself?




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Honest God is greater than deceiving God who is not truly a God by deceiving those who He says He loves.

But one of ALLAH's names is the great deceiver as confirmed by the Quran.

But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30[/Quote]MashaAllah. I baited him and he bit. Who started the deceiveing in that verse? The Jews? What are the Jews to believers? Enemies? Allah deceived or planned against the enemies of believers, when the enemies started deceiving and planning against the believers. This is the Honest God. Unlike Yahweh who you say loved everyone and then secured them as enemies in punishment, giving them false hope in empty and insincere love. thats not nice, thats pure deceit. Its better to let evil doers know that you will outfox them, because you know their plans even before they begin it and then implement it. you are ready to render it useless because they are evil doers and they must be made weak against doers of God. This is what Allah did. What Jehovah is doing is pure deceit.




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who is the wife of Yahweh/Jehovah unless the child is a bastard?

The Jews say the same thing , [b]they call Jesus a bastard, [/b]you are all on the same page here.

Judaism, Catholicism and Islam , the 3 man made false satanic religions.[/Quote]You called Jesus a bastard by making a father for him when he is not a son of any father. You called him even a son of Joseph who is not also his father. You made him a bastard twice. read your bibles. I am just filling the gap. Judaism holds the salvation that christians are trying to get because the Bibles say that Salvation is of the Jews. Catholicism is a sect of christianity, like Baptist is, or Methodist or Anglican, or Jehovah witness, or Seventh day adventist or greek orthodox, or eastern orthodox, or russian orthodox, and many others. The protestant is another sect, younger than most. You and the catholics use the same Bibles, except few books the protestants refused to copy. how different is your cult from the catholics? big satan and small satan are both satan.




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this dude is so timid that he couldn't say the biblical God died, so he said the 'bible God did that'! God knows your home address. wayo man. A God that dies is no God, even the 9japagan will agree there. you don't have God, man. you only have 3 gods.

We worship ONE GOD, YAHWEH.

You worship what you do not know.[/Quote]Tell me right here with straight face, you dont worship Jesus son of Mary? tell me sir that you dont worship The Holy Ghost? I will Jehovah alone. Yes I do or no I dont {worship] is what I want and no further explanation will be needed.




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Allah does not need to kill anyone like Jehovah killed Himself or His son or an innocent man [Jesus begged. we know he did not bargain for it and unwilling to die. he cried out if only in complaint at best, while the little boy of Abraham didn't complain. Jesus was a grown man, over 30 is grown while the son of Abraham is much younger than that]. Allah simply requires obedience from you and sincere repentance. even with all the killing by Jehovah who suddenly became 3, wasting 1 part, the christian still have to obey [obedience] and confesses [repentance], otherwise they will go to lake of fire [hell fire]. so one should ask, what is the real value of the death? only for confession [repentance]?

ALLAH is a figment of your imagination, he is a moon god.[/Quote]Show me. I have been on earth longer than you and I have not seen Allah. And the moon was broken by Muhammad [as] as a sign for the Quraishi by Allah. And Muhammad went to heaven and returned. He said he heard the Voice of Allah Who gave him the five daily prayers and the tashahhud as greetings in Salah, the last 4 verse of Chapter 2 of the Quran and honored him more than Angel Gabriel. That is not figment of my imagination, but reality of my existence. And I will die and InchaAllah on the day of Judgment I will be in Paradise and gaze on the Face of Allah as a honor that He bestows on me.




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here is love for you coming from the Loving;
Quran; 9 verses 4/7, 19 verse 96, 2 verse 195, 3 verse134/148, 5 verse 13/93, 4 verse 42, 49 verse 9, 60 verse 8, 61 verse 4, 2 verse 222,
9 verse 108, 3 verse 159.
love for the Loving; 2 verse 165/177, 3 verse 31, 5 verse 54, 21 verse 90, 76 verse 8

Sure LOVE that cannot show any sacrifice and LOVE that wants half of mankind wiped out. Sounds like Satan's invention of LOVE to me.[/Quote]To you good is strange. To you wholesome is detested. To you confusion is preferred. Thats not real except satan is the puppeteer. Love that says no one needs get hurt is the best expressed. Nor love that one has to be slaughtered like a cow.




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here is my conclusion and reality check for you; the One Who holds sway of everything does not subject Himself to what is not fitting to His Position. there is no way the father of the house is going to use the bathroom and ask that mom diaper him as the 6 month old baby. what befits an entity is what that entity does. God will not 'submit' Himself to death just like man who has to die, and thats the only way you said God must show His love. how about just giving an easy to reach goal, a task that every sane person can do; washing up and sincerely bowing yourself to Him; exactly what jesus did in the garden?

Your ALLAH is a distant , disinterested deity.

A deity who never for once revealed himself to mankind, after all what Muhammad experienced was an angel trying to strangle him, he never saw or heard from GOD direct.[/Quote]Moses heard the voice of Yahweh in the burning bush. That was enough for a believing Moses to go. Muhammad [as] went on to heaven and returned in a single nght in the company of Gabriel by invitation of God. He heard the Voice of God. He gave him salah. what revelation should God do? to rubbish Himself as jehovah did by dying as Jesus allegedly died? Ridiculous. Thats humiliation. Even you will not want to be humiliated. Why should the Creator be humiliated? If jesus had a choice, would he not have escaped to another land as he did before? You think he would volunteer to carry even the cross which he fell down under its weight and some poor fellow; Simon of siren had to be dragged to carry it for a falling God. Man, you open the faucet of analysis. Its hard to turn it off now.




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The God of Muslim as you termed Him is God of All in reality and Jesus said God is greater than all. This Great God is Allah Who does not tag you with a sin from your mother's womb, or for somebody's mistake you are punished with working hard and your wife goes through pain and Jesus was humiliated to death. guess what; you still have to work hard and your wife still goes through the pain. so what purpose has jesus served? ZERO.

The GOD of Muslims is the GOD OF ARABS.[/Quote]Just like Yahweh is for the Jews? Our Illah Allah Tabaraka Wa Taala is for everyone, from Adam to the last man in our human future. He is the Illah of all creatures, believers and disbelievers alike. He is not merely God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Thats your God with limited ability. Ours is God before creation and long after it. His God-ship is limitless and timeless.




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now, no man is recorded with any sin until the time he reaches intimate maturity. so maybe up to about the age of 14 to 16 you are okay, even if you make mistake. but Jehovah overladen you with sins of Adam and Eve. So where is justice here when you have done nothing wrong of your own yet? Starting from zero when you reach puberty is much much better than starting from negative when you got out of mother's womb. so when you are teething and you bite her when suckling, that is added sin.

Are you certain that if you die today you will make heaven, even in your sins, your lusts, lies, anger etc etc.

If you die in your sins, without Jesus you will surely perish.

ALLAH can never give you an assurance of salvation.[/Quote]Allah is Merciful. I am satisfied with His Mercy, Judgment. I need not to worship a man like me. I have Jesus as I have Moses, Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, etc and Muhammad [AS to each]




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You have rejected Jesus Christ, because it is convenient for you to carry on with religions show while living and dead in your sins.[/Quote]Arrogance of disbelief. I am inviting you to paradise, you are inviting me to hell. How is it that 3 gods; Jehovah, Holy Ghost and Jesus become 1 God Yahweh? Is this not confusion? it is pure confusion in the little arithmetic that i know. If i owe you 3 Million Euro and pay you just 1 and I say as per your belief in God, I have paid you all the 3 in the 1 I pay, you will shout deceit. Yet you are not being deceived so much so that you are inviting to the deceit of 3 person[s] of 1 Person [God]. This is the worst bargain of all. I do not want it.

None of these two despicable entities(yahweh and allah) have shown - or capable of showing - love. Just look at both bloodthirsty and hugely divisive religions(christianity and islam) spawned by these two entities? By their fruits ye shall know them.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and you came out from a womb based on the emitted fluid from a man.

you arrogantly penned a signature that proves the opposite of your existence. How fortunate are the people who made your existence possible. No wonder you wrote the above; empty arrogance.