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| Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Nobody: 8:47pm On Jul 30, 2011 |
Deuteronomy 14: 24-26 King James Bible 24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: 25Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: 26And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, One question I keep asking here is why did God not ask for the money after the tithes have been exchanged for money. To me this shows that God does not want tithes from income, but why almost all churches collect tithes from income today is a mistery  Leviticus 27:30 30 “‘A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the LORD; it is holy to the LORD. There is no tithe from income in the verse above. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Joagbaje(m): 9:34pm On Jul 30, 2011 |
Tithes are not limited to money. But it is good to convert it to money ,since money is a general medium of exchange. If tithes are paid in kind , dome things are perishable and the church Cant use them. It's a matter of choice anyway. But actually many of us grew with the knowledge that it should be money. It doesnt have to be money. God also allowed them in bible days to convert the tithes into money for some cases. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by mabell: 10:02pm On Jul 30, 2011 |
@poster, so hw do i pay tithes if i was given baskets of fresh tomatoes or somebody dashes me a pond filled with fishes how do i go about paying my tithe? |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Joagbaje(m): 10:07pm On Jul 30, 2011 |
The church will take it to the bank  |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Azibalua(f): 10:29pm On Jul 30, 2011 |
Febup: If he does not want tithes of money, what tithes does he want considering the fact that today income mostly is in cash format, also are you working ? If you are and you do earn a salary what tithe do you give to god, do you purchase a suit and give to god as tithe? |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Nobody: 10:55pm On Jul 30, 2011 |
Deuteronomy 14: 26 King James Bible 26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, The Lord has clearly stated above how he wants the tithe of money to be spent. So why has this changed today when God has not changed. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Joagbaje(m): 11:40pm On Jul 30, 2011 |
It depends on what tithe you're giving. There were different kinds of thithes under the law. Although we are not giving according to Jewish system anyway , this is only for discussion purpose. Tithes are payed to the temple throughout the Levites and priests yearly. There is also another tithe that is also another tithe which is to be eaten and shared with the poor the gentile and the priests.etc. This was done every 3 years interval only. So that's the one you're making reference to here. It is for a special feast. If the journey is too far to carry from where you stay, you can sell it and exchange it for money. And use the money to buy any other thing for the love feast. But the yearly tithe is not to be eaten. It belongs to God. And if you exchange it for money, the money still belong to God and you will put some interest on it. Money has always been used for offerings and tithes in the house of God. And the other things giving in kinds were also instruments in worship. Grain for grain offering and Animal for for sin offering. And the things which Cant be used in the house of God were redeemed with cash. Leviticus 5:15-16 15 If a soul commit a trespass, and sin through ignorance, in the holy things of the Lord; then he shall bring for his trespass unto the Lord a ram without blemish out of the flocks, with thy estimation by shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary, for a trespass offering: 16 Leviticus 27:31-32 31 And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof. 32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord. So for the tithes to be eaten, the redemption money is used to but something else to be eaten but the tithe for God, when it is redeemed the money goes to God. But as I said earlier , we are not following jewsih tradition in tithing. Remember tithing came before the jewish law. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Nobody: 11:57pm On Jul 30, 2011 |
@ Joagbaje Deuteronomy 14: 26 King James Bible 26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, The verse above clearly mentions about tithe that has been exchanged for money, but you have not quoted any verse where money was mentioned |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Joagbaje(m): 12:00am On Jul 31, 2011 |
^^^^ Thats what The word "redeem" there means , TO BUY BACK Leviticus 27:31-32 31 And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Nobody: 12:41am On Jul 31, 2011 |
Joagbaje: Leviticus 27:30-31 30 “‘A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the LORD; it is holy to the LORD. 31 Whoever would redeem any of their tithe must add a fifth of the value to it. Why did you omit verse 30. You can see that what they can BUY BACK are tithe of grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, these are where the tithes should come from. There is no where it is quoted that they can redeem or BUY BACK the money they have made. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Joagbaje(m): 5:36am On Jul 31, 2011 |
Febup: I only picked the point of my emphasis. There is nothing to hide there. Besides the list you quoted is not complete. What of the tithes of the flock? You can see that what they can BUY BACK are tithe of grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, these are where the tithes should come from. They were farmers "officially" as a nation if I may say. And they had national sabbath from farming. where God forbid the whole nation not to plant anything for a whole year. So he dealth with them as a nation of farmers . We can't overrule the fact that some of them could veer into some other petty trade though. Even in the farminig business they had specific animals they are supposed to rear as Jews. They were forbidden to have "unclean animals" in their husbandry such as pigs ,caramels etc ,nevertheless some of them still go into such business. But God didnt accept such animals for sacrifice or for tithes and first fruits. So for such "unclean animal" they still had to redeem it with money when paying thithes of it. They give the monetary value. Because the things God accepted for tithes and offerings must be things that can be useful in the house of God. So the other things were converted to money. So the idea started in the bible days that a man productivity can be valued for cash. Most people find it easier to give cash today but people can still give in kind other things as tithes especially things that can be useful in the house of God. The fan seller can send in some fans as tithes. There is no where it is quoted that they can redeem or BUY BACK the money they have made. I never said people bought back money. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by PastorKun(m): 6:42am On Jul 31, 2011 |
@febup Don't mind these charlatans, they all know that tithes as it is preached and practised today is not biblical but derived from fraudulent manipulation of scriptures for the greedy gain of the promoters of the false doctrine. You may also wish to read Hebrew 7:5-19 in this passage tithes was clearly anulled for christians, made irrelevant and described as weak and useless practise. Pastors know this, but they don't mention it to their congregation cause of the filthy lucre they derive from their false doctrine. @joagbaje I see you are at your manipulative best, but even at that febup was quick to see manipulation in your post @ mabell If someone gives you a basket of tomatoes, you have no business tithing it if you are a christian. But if you insist on tithing it then tithe ten per cent of the tomatoes to the rogue that is misleading you to tithe of your miserly income. And if you are given a pond of fish why can't you tithe from the fish itself? Abi pastor no sabi chop fish? All these go to prove that preachers are manipulating the word of God for greedy gain. Food items was clearly what asked the Jews to tithe then and since food is still in existence today I see no justification for anybody to change the word of God or manipulate it to suit themselves. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Joagbaje(m): 8:13am On Jul 31, 2011 |
^^^ there is no manipulation. I have right to quote the scriptures that I seem relevant and leave out unnecessary ones. The verse in question doesn't add or remove anything from the point I'm making. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by newmi(m): 10:04am On Jul 31, 2011 |
"a tithe of all" |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Nobody: 10:27am On Jul 31, 2011 |
Joagbaje:The complete list of where the tithes should come from does not mention income from work. Joseph the Father of Jesus was a carpenter, John an apostle of Jesus was a Physician, some were fisher men, Jesus used the word wages in his teachings. This shows that all the Jews were not farmers, some had Jobs at that time and they did receive income from these jobs. So if God wanted tithe of their income He would have said so. So why are pastors helping God to add income from work to the list of the things that can be tithe. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Nobody: 10:40am On Jul 31, 2011 |
Pastor Kun: How are they getting away with such great deceit while changing the word of God to enrich themselves |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Nobody: 10:47am On Jul 31, 2011 |
newmi: But not of income from work. Leviticus 27: 1-34 King James Version -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When a man shall make a singular vow, the persons shall be for the LORD by thy estimation. 3And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary. 4And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels. 5And if it be from five years old even unto twenty years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male twenty shekels, and for the female ten shekels. 6And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. 7And if it be from sixty years old and above; if it be a male, then thy estimation shall be fifteen shekels, and for the female ten shekels. 8But if he be poorer than thy estimation, then he shall present himself before the priest, and the priest shall value him; according to his ability that vowed shall the priest value him. 9And if it be a beast, whereof men bring an offering unto the LORD, all that any man giveth of such unto the LORD shall be holy. 10He shall not alter it, nor change it, a good for a bad, or a bad for a good: and if he shall at all change beast for beast, then it and the exchange thereof shall be holy. 11And if it be any unclean beast, of which they do not offer a sacrifice unto the LORD, then he shall present the beast before the priest: 12And the priest shall value it, whether it be good or bad: as thou valuest it, who art the priest, so shall it be. 13But if he will at all redeem it, then he shall add a fifth part thereof unto thy estimation. 14And when a man shall sanctify his house to be holy unto the LORD, then the priest shall estimate it, whether it be good or bad: as the priest shall estimate it, so shall it stand. 15And if he that sanctified it will redeem his house, then he shall add the fifth part of the money of thy estimation unto it, and it shall be his. 16And if a man shall sanctify unto the LORD some part of a field of his possession, then thy estimation shall be according to the seed thereof: an homer of barley seed shall be valued at fifty shekels of silver. 17If he sanctify his field from the year of jubile, according to thy estimation it shall stand. 18But if he sanctify his field after the jubile, then the priest shall reckon unto him the money according to the years that remain, even unto the year of the jubile, and it shall be abated from thy estimation. 19And if he that sanctified the field will in any wise redeem it, then he shall add the fifth part of the money of thy estimation unto it, and it shall be assured to him. 20And if he will not redeem the field, or if he have sold the field to another man, it shall not be redeemed any more. 21But the field, when it goeth out in the jubile, shall be holy unto the LORD, as a field devoted; the possession thereof shall be the priest's. 22And if a man sanctify unto the LORD a field which he hath bought, which is not of the fields of his possession; 23Then the priest shall reckon unto him the worth of thy estimation, even unto the year of the jubile: and he shall give thine estimation in that day, as a holy thing unto the LORD. 24In the year of the jubile the field shall return unto him of whom it was bought, even to him to whom the possession of the land did belong. 25And all thy estimations shall be according to the shekel of the sanctuary: twenty gerahs shall be the shekel. 26Only the firstling of the beasts, which should be the LORD'S firstling, no man shall sanctify it; whether it be ox, or sheep: it is the LORD'S. 27And if it be of an unclean beast, then he shall redeem it according to thine estimation, and shall add a fifth part of it thereto: or if it be not redeemed, then it shall be sold according to thy estimation. 28Notwithstanding no devoted thing, that a man shall devote unto the LORD of all that he hath, both of man and beast, and of the field of his possession, shall be sold or redeemed: every devoted thing is most holy unto the LORD. 29None devoted, which shall be devoted of men, shall be redeemed; but shall surely be put to death. 30And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD. 31And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof. 32And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD. 33He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed. 34These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Micuilles: 12:11pm On Jul 31, 2011 |
@ All; I've enjoyed this conversation until now. @ Kun, Can you please explain how exactly does Heb 7: 5-19 anulled thithing for christians? Quote from: Pastor Kun on Today at 06:42:17 AM @febup Don't mind these charlatans, they all know that tithes as it is preached and practised today is not biblical but derived from fraudulent manipulation of scriptures for the greedy gain of the promoters of the false doctrine. You may also wish to read Hebrew 7:5-19 in this passage tithes was clearly anulled for christians, made irrelevant and described as weak and useless practise. Pastors know this, but they don't mention it to their congregation cause of the filthy lucre they derive from their false doctrine. I've read it over & over again and could only denote the fact that Abraham thithed to Melchizedech & Jesus been a priest in Melchizedech's order. Are you sure Heb 7;5 was the quotation you meant to refer to? @ Febup, I am not a farmer. My earnings come in cash. Should I buy crops worth 10% of my earning & pay as thithe? If I do and the church sells the crops for money which is in turn used by the church, or eat the crops(raw food materials), what difference is it when I decide to pay the cash instead? I think you should look outside your window or check your calendar. you 'll discover we're not in the ancient days when people use crop produce, sheeps or cattles for bride price. Just so you know, I believe in thithing & I'm blessed doing it. If you dont believe it does not mean it is wrong. But I can assure you that if you try it you'll swallow all these filthy words you've used on this topic. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Nobody: 12:50pm On Jul 31, 2011 |
Micuilles: You are not a Jew nor a Levite so do not even talk about paying your tithes. Matthew 7:6 "Do not give dogs what is holy; do not throw your precious things to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces. The word of God is holy and precious so I will not waste it on you. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by PastorKun(m): 3:06pm On Jul 31, 2011 |
@muicuilles Read the passage again with special emphasis on verses 11,12 & 18. There you would see clearly that tithing was anulled and described as a weak useless and unprofitable practise. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Micuilles: 3:16pm On Jul 31, 2011 |
@ Febup You sound like a puppy running away from a fight with her tail sunk in behind. I feel pity for you. My Jesus sacrificed his life for me & you who's probably running to & fro looking for daily bread is talking about waste?  I thought I could help you out of your misery by enligthening you on God's word, I never knew you had already given up on yourself.  Anyway, I'm a very patient person & will still help you out against your wish.Read Rom 11, you'll discover that Every other nation that is not Isreal was refered to as Gentiles & the life of God given to us is by grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. Enjoy this grace by being obedient to God's word and be fully grafted into the tree of life. Take advantage of this salvation. Do not loose it. Pay your thithe it's only 10% of your income i.e. if you have any. Don't spend it on dangerous mind distorting grasses & liquids. A word is enough for the wise, which you're apparently not, cos I know you'll still respond with your brain still under your butt. Joke pls. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Micuilles: 3:52pm On Jul 31, 2011 |
@ Kun Pastor Kun: Vrs 11; if therefore perfection were by the Levitical Priesthood (for under it the people recieved the law) what further need was there that another priest should arise after the order of Melchisedec, (Jesus), 12; for the priest being changed , there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Sir, you'll notice that the "disannulling" in vrs 18 was not refering to the act of Thithing, but the idea of the Thithes being paid to the "Levites" as the qualified priests. It's stating that the death of Jesus annulled the Levites only as priests as they are from a particular tribe of the Jews. i.e. we won't need to go looking for a Levite from Israel to pay thithes to. Please look at it very well & see if understanding is incorrect. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Nobody: 4:15pm On Jul 31, 2011 |
@ Micuilles Hebrews 7: 8 8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. You are not giving 10% of your income to God but to men that will used it to live a flamboyant life style and you believe this is why you are blessed. Well you are in bondage and as long as you remain in bondage. Micuilles: |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by PastorKun(m): 4:20pm On Jul 31, 2011 |
@muicuilles Stop forcing your opinion into scripture. Verse 12 makes it clear that even Jesus was not qualified to collect tithes becos he did not come from the tribe(levite) that serve at the alter. It was the levitical laws which specifically included tithing that was anulled. That aside there is no contrary instruction in the bible to now give tithes to christian preachers and there is no record of either Jesus or the apostles ever collecting or preaching tithes. Tithes was not introduced to christianity until the year 585 AD at the council of Macon by the catholic church. That aside biblical tithe is not money. It is manipulative to change the word of God from food items to money,it is pure fraud. The bible in jeremiah 8:8-10 describes preachers who twist the word of God as greedy and fraudulent. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Micuilles: 4:21pm On Jul 31, 2011 |
@ Kun, If Biblical Thithe is not money, What is it then? & do you pay it? By the way, It sounds like you're the trying to impose your opinion into scripture. The word of God never contradicts Himself. What you need to understand is that all you're a quoting are laws which came to be in Moses' time. The Levites are among the tribes of Israel. Abraham was not a Levite. Thithing was before the law and in Hebrews 7, Jesus was was refered to a Priest forever after the order of Melchisedec who Father Abraham thithed to. We now, by the power of God's Spirit, have Pastors precipitate Priests (not from the tribe of Levi). We pay our thithes by faith in Jesus, to God, and our priest(s) precipitate Pastors blesses them. In that verse you quoted, i.e Heb 11, 12--- 18, it states clearly that Jesus is not a Levite. Remember he's from the tribe of Judah. So you see it's our faith in him & his sent ones that gives us the results by the power of the Holy Spirit. Believe it, it's the truth.   |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Nobody: 4:29pm On Jul 31, 2011 |
Micuilles: Hebrews 7: 8 8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. But the above verse does not say that God receives tithes but rather it says men that die receive tithes, so are you giving your tithe to men or God |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by PastorKun(m): 4:37pm On Jul 31, 2011 |
@muicuilles If you can quote a single verse in scripture that even remotely suggests new testament christians should pay a tithe of their income I would rest my case. What you fail to realise is that tithes preachers are not only defrauding their congregation they are committing the very dangerous sin of twisting God's word to justify their fraudulent practise. Do you realise how big a sin it is to use God's name to de-fraud his children? |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Joagbaje(m): 9:17pm On Jul 31, 2011 |
Febup: so was Abraham a Jew? . The mistake you guys make is this idea of making tithing a Jewish affair. Tithes and offerings preceded the emergence of the Jewish nation. Don't forget that. Abraham and people of his day didnt tithe according o Jewish law. You can't judge a christian by the Jewish standard. If you dint believe in tithing , you shouldn't believe in offerings as well . Because they are both based on the same spiritual principle. Andvif you say we should neither give offerings too. We will like to know which God you serve. |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Nobody: 9:20pm On Jul 31, 2011 |
Joagbaje: Show me where in the Bible where Abraham paid tithes from his income |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Joagbaje(m): 9:25pm On Jul 31, 2011 |
@ Micuilles Micuilles: You have said it all . God bless you . |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Joagbaje(m): 9:30pm On Jul 31, 2011 |
Febup: Was Abraham a salary earner? . |
| Re: Tithes - Does God Want The Tithes Of Money? by Nobody: 9:35pm On Jul 31, 2011 |
Joagbaje: So why did you bring Abram in to this, God has not even called him when he paid tithes from the booty of war and this was the only time the Bible records that he paid tithes. |
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