hello nairalanders , Ramadan kareem to all muslims brothers and sisters , a blessed day to all my christian brothers and sister too , Please i have this question for you guys and i will appreciate if we can discuss it maturely without bashing eachother, both scriptures agreed to the fact that adam and eve ate the forbideen fruit that was why GOD sent them away from the paradise , my question is, is there more to this or just eating the fruit that cause all the problems in this world today ? thanks

Islam never said anything about fruit, or apple.

It simply says "tree". Dont approach that tree [a particular tree as a test]/

They went against that instruction. This was the beginning of their descent to the earth out of Paradise [not on earth

When you read Surah baqarah starting from verse 36 or so talking about the decision to create man all the way to when they angels bowed to Adam in the command of Allah to do so, to the refusal of the only jinn [iblis], in their group of heavenly bodies to do so, to the point where after they have been told to 'approach not that tree', which satan finally suggested they approach, you will know that when they ended on earth, the husband and wife were destined for it, all along.

After all, where will they have children and be tested for either Paradise or hell Fire bound?

AND ALLAH is the ALL KNOWING.

Sweetnecta:

AND ALLAH is the ALL KNOWING.

Allah does not know anything. . . .

Sweetnecta:

Islam never said anything about fruit, or apple.

It simply says "tree". Dont approach that tree [a particular tree as a test]/

They went against that instruction. This was the beginning of their descent to the earth out of Paradise [not on earth

When you read Surah baqarah starting from verse 36 or so talking about the decision to create man all the way to when they angels bowed to Adam in the command of Allah to do so, to the refusal of the only jinn [iblis], in their group of heavenly bodies to do so, to the point where after they have been told to 'approach not that tree', which satan finally suggested they approach, you will know that when they ended on earth, the husband and wife were destined for it, all along.

After all, where will they have children and be tested for either Paradise or hell Fire bound?

Thanks for shedding lights on the islamic way , i will do more research about that , thanks feel free to bring on other facts , thanks once again

mazaje:

Allah does not know anything. . . .

Please this is not allow on this page , bring on your fact and we discuss and learn from it , better few people with reasonable facts than many that attack others opinion , thanks

alright i havent actually got time to post all the relevant scriptures but the fruit adam and eve ate was called the fruiit of knowledge of good and evil, which means they became accountable for their sin, the punishment of which was to b cast out of God's presence

Sweetnecta:


After all, where will they have children and be tested for either Paradise or hell Fire bound?

@ Sweetnecta,

By the statement above, are you implying that the forbidden fruit Adam & Eve aet is having carnal knowledge of each other i.e. sex? If yes, I disagree with you. According to the Bible in Gen 4:1 & 25, you'll read that Adam knew his wife first after they had already been sent out of the garden (in Gen 3), and she concieved, and bore Cain then later Abel. The next record was in verse 25 when she concieved & bore Seth.

@Micuilles; « #7 on: Today at 03:29:23 PM »
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After all, where will they have children and be tested for either Paradise or hell Fire bound?
@ Sweetnecta,

By the statement above, are you implying that the forbidden fruit Adam & Eve aet is having carnal knowledge of each other i.e. sex?[/Quote]I didnot say that they ate any fruit, but came to the tree that they have been warned not to even come near. eating is not even mentioned in the Quran and definitely fruit as well. Sex was mentioned as something they had already before the event with the tree, but what purpose is husband and wife if sex is totally factor out? Please read your Bible. Adam and Eve were told right off the bat to "be fruitful and multiply." how will they accomplish that except by sex? You must also know that God knows the future before He created Adam. He knew that Adam will need a mate, a partner. He already created the earth and have decided to make the husband and wife lived in it, and there their progeny will live too to be tested, fairly.



[Quote]If yes, I disagree with you. According to the Bible in Gen 4:1 & 25, you'll read that Adam knew his wife first after they had already been sent out of the garden (in Gen 3), and she concieved, and bore Cain then later Abel. The next record was in verse 25 when she concieved & bore Seth.[/Quote]we all know that first sexual encounter between husband and wife does not always result to "pregnancy". And not all pregnancies bring out babies or full term. But thats not I say is the case with Adam and Eve because I did not touch on it at all.
in Genesis 1:28, this is what God is reported to have said; God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

Were Adam and Eve already in contact with the "forbidden" in the garden at that time? Even the Bibles say that Adam worked the land in the "garden". Adam also worked the land after they were kicked out. If he worked the land in each of these two places or conditions, if he and Eve had sex outside the garden, why do you think they did not have sex in the garden, when they were truly husband and wife?

If his working the land was not for food in the garden, then their sex could also not have been for children in the garden.

@Micuilles: I don't think that the Biblical God was angry at Adam and Eve and sent them out of the "garden of eden", cursing them and then blessing them as "to be fruitful and multiply. . ." or blessing them as such and then cursing them with "your will eat from your the sweat of your brows and your will have child bearing pains. . ."

He must have blessed them separately, without the biblical need to curse them; that would been when they were in the garden to begin the period of the garden.

When they made mistake now, it was another matter; then the Biblical curse and sending out from the garden.


incidentally, it is the same land, same work for Adam.

i was just wondering if sex was not natural for them and it was discovered after being ousted from the garden, based on human emotion, when you are in difficulty and Adam and Eve were in difficulty, sex will be the last thing on their mind. Food; thats not a thing you can avoid for a long time.

They must have been hungry in the new out of the garden harsh environment. finding food would have to be a great task. sex; that can wait until they finally settle down, resolving all their problems; including finding favors with God, again.


The way the Bible present it, the story is not clear. grape, fruit, the bible is not sure. they ate apples, but used grape leaves to cover. why shy from your partner? it is very illogical.


The Quranic story is very believable. God instructed as they entered paradise in heaven, not on earth, to not go near 'that tree'. This is an instruction to see how long they will obey regardless of any condition to suggest otherwise.

There is no need for Adam to be working. They are humans and are equipped with mind to think; accept and or reject, explore or ignore. Their enemy Satan who used to be named Iblis had the ability to make suggestion to them. Iblis/Satan already knew about them being instructed to not come near a tree. it was that tree he will make them come near by thinking about it, and wondering what it is about the tree. he made suggestion to the newly minted beings because of their innocence and or ignorance.

The plan of God was that Husband and Wife must be on earth to populate it with their progeny. From these progeny, you will have evil doers; Cain who killed because he offered poor product from his earning and this offering was rejected. You have sexual criminals who mixed freely when it was ordered against, etc. Adam and Eve never made but that single mistake of coming near the tree.


Their children, however included us indulge in all kind of crimes; think of it, if it is against God Commandment, we do it.

Is there any surprise that Hell is created for those who will not repent? Of course, repentance is part of good faith and good deeds which are rewarded with paradise. I say good faith [single] while good deeds [plural] to show true faith with God is 1 and it is good, while there are many good deeds.

thanks sweetnecta for your contribuh tion to this thread , i so much appreciate it.


Surat Al -Baqara(Q 2: 30-39)

30. And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "Verily, I am going to place (mankind) generations after generations on earth." They said: "Will You place therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood, - while we glorify You with praises and thanks (Exalted be You above all that they associate with You as partners) and sanctify You." He (Allah) said: "I know that which you do not know."

31. And He taught Adam all the names (of everything) , then He showed them to the angels and said, "Tell Me the names of these if you are truthful."

32. They (angels) said: "Glory be to You, we have no knowledge except what you have taught us. Verily, it is You, the All-Knower, the All-Wise."

33. He said: "O Adam! Inform them of their names," and when he had informed them of their names, He said: "Did I not tell you that I know the Ghaib (unseen) in the heavens and the earth, and I know what you reveal and what you have been concealing?"

34. And (remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves before Adam.". And they prostrated except Iblis (Satan), he refused and was proud and was one of the disbelievers (disobedient to Allah).

35. And We said: "O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the Paradise and eat both of you freely with pleasure and delight of things therein as wherever you will, but come not near this tree or you both will be of the Zalimun (wrong-doers)."

36. Then the Shaitan (Satan) made them slip therefrom (the Paradise), and got them out from that in which they were. We said: "Get you down, all, with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be a dwelling place for you and an enjoyment for a time."

37. Then Adam received from his Lord Words . And his Lord pardoned him (accepted his repentance). Verily, He is the One Who forgives (accepts repentance), the Most Merciful.

38. We said: "Get down all of you from this place (the Paradise), then whenever there comes to you Guidance from Me, and whoever follows My Guidance, there shall be no fear on them, nor shall they grieve.

39. But those who disbelieve and belie Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) such are the dwellers of the Fire, they shall abide therein forever.

mazaje:

Allah does not know anything. . . .

seconded

Genesis 2 : 7-9

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil


Genesis 2 :15-18
And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Genesis 3:1-5

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.


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What was Adam really like? Answer

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil


Genesis 3:6-12

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat

Genesis 3 : 13-18

And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.