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Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by tfelicityk(m): 6:24pm On Aug 01, 2022
This is good question...
It will only happen if Nigeria embark on manufacturing and production processes. The suggestion will create more job opportunities for others out there.
Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by cmecproblem(m): 6:28pm On Aug 01, 2022
The topic actually reads- Why do not Nigerian employers adopt hourly pay? Pun lol
Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by Grandemperor(m): 6:48pm On Aug 01, 2022
pocohantas:


I very well understand the meaning of pay per hour. I understand its demerits and implications too. So if you took some time to read and check the opening post, you wouldn’t have missed this.

Now we have many Burger Kings and all in Nigeria being paid 15k a month. They consider this a job and get sacked anyhow. Why are they not being paid per hour. That is the question, Sir. Thank you.
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I gave the answer to your ''query'' in my last paragraph - It is a US of A thing. Can Nigeria employers handle the employee absenteism, etc which come with the territory?
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But the paychecks are not even regular in Nigeria. These workers wait for months to get paid. So?
Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by Missionaire: 6:54pm On Aug 01, 2022
ThierryJay:


Sorry to sound like a killjoy about your tax-free "enjoyment", but what your Company is doing is tax evasion and they will pay it all back if they are audited by this revenue-aggressive administration.

Your initial 50% is supposed to be taxed as it is not exempt. But your company is smart to exclude it from the pension calculation base in order to reduce the amount of their financial contribution to your old age by half. So they are actually doing themselves a favour reducing their cost of keeping you in employment while you also get to chop part of your old age money now, making it look like a win-win.

Smart management grin
Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by Toriagirl(f): 8:24pm On Aug 01, 2022
I wish
Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by armyofone(m): 11:15pm On Aug 01, 2022
Klass99:
Most of these civil service ministries and some private sector employers, no dey fit pay monthly salary, reliably, as and when due. Na hourly dem go fit pay?

Make we reason am na, they usually have about 25 - 28 days to plan towards salaries but when the month ends na story. I worry that hourly payments may even be harder to implement, las las if you clocked in 80 hours, they will decide to only pay 40 hours with some BS story.

To answer your question, I won't mind hourly pay. I get to decide how many hours per day I want to work and work-life balance will be a reality in my control. We pay too much lip service to work-life balance in Naija and in a city like Lasgidi it should be actively enforced.

2 weeks pay would be good. At least workers won't use one month salary to eat goat head peppersoup, drink beer and dash chics or buy drinks for everyone around him.
Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by armyofone(m): 11:18pm On Aug 01, 2022
tfelicityk:
This is good question...
It will only happen if Nigeria embark on manufacturing and production processes. The suggestion will create more job opportunities for others out there.

They should start by improving infrastructure - then Walmart and others might show interest.

Big job possibilities.

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Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by mignone(f): 11:18pm On Aug 01, 2022
izzou:


Most times, four people are doing one person's job.

If the civil service is restructured, many of them would be jobless

You need to visit some ministries and see how they are idling away doing nothing
Depends. In my case, I occupied d office of 4ppl for abt 3yrs while some officers were idle in other offices.
Like u rightly said, restructuring d civil/public service will change a lot of things.
Some ppl deliberately use "long leg" to get posted to offices where they'll av almost nothing to do. It's either they keep wasting away, be irregular or attending to personal business or politics.
Don't try those who got their appointments thru politicians o, they're usually the WORST! their insubordination is next to none.
Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by mignone(f): 11:35pm On Aug 01, 2022
pocohantas:


A system that works!!!

When they are owing for months. What do the civil servants do within that period? They come to work? embarassed
Come to think of it, if our system weren't absurd, how does one expect a worker to transport himself to work, own a life&be productive without being paid?
When we'd a similar issue in our place, many preferred dt we kept coming without being paid. I bluntly told my HoD dt I cldnt cope (cos I'm nt one dt demands/receives extras save my salary).
Bk to ur question,
Sometimes they come up with a roster where every officer doesn't have to resume daily. Skeletal services will be rendered with d hope of generating something/keep d office running.
Many ppl can't stay at home for several reasons too - unhappy home, running from responsibilities, bribes dt come in handy at work, etc. I remember some colleagues used to ask why I wouln't wait one minute extra after close of work&enjoyed going on leave when I was single.
Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by mignone(f): 11:45pm On Aug 01, 2022
cococandy:


Exactly. They come to work because they know if they do not come, they’ll be fired. But that’s also why some of them take up side hustles in the work place.
I don’t doubt izzou when he said some of them don’t do anything but I totally understand.
Fire who?where?
How many cases like dt av u seen?
Civil and public servants are hardly sacked o. It only happens in extreme cases dt can't be patched.
Laslas, na to drag it here&there, issue queries dt rarely get into ur personal file at d estabs and or redeploy, depending on who d offended& d offender know and the gravity of d oftence.
See ehn.
E get as e be.
Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by Asour: 11:48pm On Aug 01, 2022
Because Salary is just another knob in a Nigerian employers Working capital tool box.

Delayed / fewer salary payment = short-term source of funds for business.

It is analogous to why we pay yearly rents and not monthly. Working capital buffering.
Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by mignone(f): 11:51pm On Aug 01, 2022
cococandy:
hehehe. Wahala.

See don’t even get me started on the fire service system. They have a whole office and employees but not one fire truck in sight. At least the fire service station in my area didn’t have one before I left . Hopefully it’s different now. Now what are the employees supposed to be doing at work?
You can’t even call them when there’s an emergency.
The one close to my parents' house always had a truck bt u'd be asked to fuel it if u dare call for their service. Sometimes, they wld even tell u they ddnt have water. Don't know d situation now tho.
In such cases, employees wld usually have a side hustle and keep covering up for each other at duty posts.
Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by mignone(f): 11:57pm On Aug 01, 2022
izzou:


These guys collect money for almost nothing. Let's not forget about Pension and gratuity when they retire or die.

You see Nigeria's problem? It can't be solved
At least, their pensions & gratuities are quite meagre for a 35yr service. Moreso, they cldnt av been idle for their whole years of service.
What d'u say of our politicians who at diff levels frm governorship to senatorial still receive multi millions, cars, houses, other benefits after exploiting, sleeping at plenaries, raiding, going on useless recess, looting us for 4-8yrs
Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by gonkin(m): 12:00am On Aug 02, 2022
Nigerians will work 28hrs in 24hrs
Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by mignone(f): 12:10am On Aug 02, 2022
GloriousGbola:


One guy shared a hard dominatrix video and was saying he was told this is how rapists are punished in China. I am sure na the same guy sef.
Reminds me of the 2nd boss I got after I'd worked alone for abt 3 yrs. She hardly did any work on d days she's present.My absence or leave wld be full of calls frm her on how to handle office matters. I was jst dealing with her in wisdom cos she's def superior &was always quick to refer to dt. Na to press phone,make calls&brag about nonsense.
One day,, she shared a pornographic video&captioned it rape.
I innocently opened&gbam! I just simply told her dt I ddnt think dt was a rape caught on camera as d camera kept moving bla bla. Sbe never tried it again tho.
Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by mignone(f): 12:19am On Aug 02, 2022
budaatum:


Civil servants don't usually get hourly pay anywhere except the lowest grades so I wouldn't expect it from government where civil servants can be at home or peeling egusi claiming pay for work. Government is not that mumu. In fact, I'm beginning to wonder if the none payment of salary is due to civil servants not generating revenue.
Right there.
Many govt agencies aren't adding values. Others generate little to no revenue bt even d govt doesn't want d system to work.
These politicians profit more from our social problems.
As for 'idle' ppl receiving salaries, it's d best for now till d advent of restructuring. How else will citizens make end meets? Imagine a fifth of civil/public servants out of job; dt'll be disastrous to d society.
There's kuku no measure to what our so-called leaders loot. Not justifying mediocrity, bt then it is what it is for now.

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Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by mignone(f): 12:50am On Aug 02, 2022
adverttrading:
Hourly pay means you get paid for when you are actually working . It's not funny at all.
I once taught a 1 hour class but finished teaching the syllabus content in 40 minutes and left the class after giving them assignment. When payday came, the company paid me for 40 minutes ! grin grin

Calculate that for over a month.

Meanwhile, employers who pay per hour monitor to see that you are actually working, no loafing around or wasting time. That is why they pay high rates per hour.


Right!
Some colleagues were stunned when I once said dt I wld prefer to choose d days I work&paid accordingly since I knw I'd have dt off-time to myself.
Many wldnt like d idea cos d days of absenteeism, half-days of "I want to visit d kids' Schl, bank, naming, etc" are fully paid for.
Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by mignone(f): 12:56am On Aug 02, 2022
Love800:
Good evening all. Pls i want to really know who a civil servant is. I have always be hearing civil servants all d time but don't know who they are actually. Can someone point dem out to me. And also again who are d public servants too. These tinz confuse me. Pls anyone who can figure it out. Tank u
To my lil understanding,
Civil servants are govt workers in ministries & other parastatals who still have their roots to a ministry. Eg. teachers (min of edu&tech), govt radio/tv b.casters (min of info&...),etc.
Public servants are govt workers whose institutions/parastatal aren't under any ministry. E.g. lecturers, etc.
Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by Mayor36: 4:21pm On Aug 02, 2022
They calculate it hourly but pay at the end of the month. That is the way it is done abroad. They calculate your working hours and then pay you at the end of the month. Not that they will be paying everyday.
Klass99:
Most of these civil service ministries and some private sector employers, no dey fit pay monthly salary, reliably, as and when due. Na hourly dem go fit pay?

Make we reason am na, they usually have about 25 - 28 days to plan towards salaries but when the month ends na story. I worry that hourly payments may even be harder to implement, las las if you clocked in 80 hours, they will decide to only pay 40 hours with some BS story.

To answer your question, I won't mind hourly pay. I get to decide how many hours per day I want to work and work-life balance will be a reality in my control. We pay too much lip service to work-life balance in Naija and in a city like Lasgidi it should be actively enforced.
Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by budaatum: 5:11pm On Aug 02, 2022
mignone:

Right there.
Many govt agencies aren't adding values. Others generate little to no revenue bt even d govt doesn't want d system to work.
These politicians profit more from our social problems.
As for 'idle' ppl receiving salaries, it's d best for now till d advent of restructuring. How else will citizens make end meets? Imagine a fifth of civil/public servants out of job; dt'll be disastrous to d society.
There's kuku no measure to what our so-called leaders loot. Not justifying mediocrity, bt then it is what it is for now.

Funny thing is, restructuring involves the elimination of "'idle' ppl receiving salaries", just that most peoples' "advent of restructuring" does not include "a fifth of civil/public servants out of job".

You may not be condoning mediocrity but paying for mediocrity encourages mediocrity. If mediocrity stops being rewarded people will up their game. Restructuring should be for positive change and not for same ol' same ol'.
Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by Tycyborg(m): 9:11pm On Aug 02, 2022
cococandy:


one time I started a new job and my IT clearance didn’t work properly so I couldn’t clock in my hours electronically. Per protocol, I used a paper time sheet to log my time pending my IT clearance and somehow someone in the payroll missed my time sheet so I didn’t get paid for two weeks.
OMG.

The director called to apologize. The union president called to apologize. The CNO called to apologize. Emails and emails to follow up to make sure they didn’t miss it during the next pay period.
Tell me why I won’t be motivated to go to work?

Our employers need to really adopt the practice of making sure they take the employees time seriously. This hourly pay thing might be the solution if enough people get on board.

Obviously state government won’t get on board because they are the professionals at owing civil servants for 6 months. Useless governors

Exactly what I love to hear from people... If your street roads aren't done... Blame the local government not the state... If civil servants are being owed or state express way aren't being done... Blame the state government not the federal and if federal things aren't done like interstate roads and other stuff being handle by fed lest blame the feds not the state or local government or state... But these knowledge are lacking in this country many people claim to be educated but they know nothing.
They blame federal government for a state being backward then what's the work of the state government and the allocations being paid and all... We wallow in IGNORANCE in this country...
Back to the hourly paid ... It can't work in this country because most nigerians are thief... They know this but won't tell the truth and in some company or factory like oksweets now owned by plan ...they wanted to adopt this or were doing it before but a Nigerian at the top or supervisor will change the manager's mind and trade everyone growth for his or her own personal banafit like promotion and all...company want more money and pay less so it's easier for them to stick with the monthly so they can milk people energy for lesser pay...
Imagine when buhari first came in as president he started a motion which will pay unemployed people 5000k per month but the senate said no because it will affect their pay one way or the other instead they did npower... So my point is nigerians will still sabotage a good thing or idea no matter what in which we all know... So this can't work
This is what I know...
Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by Tycyborg(m): 9:15pm On Aug 02, 2022
izzou:


I have a friend currently serving in a Federal Ministry in Abuja.

She goes whenever she likes. They do nothing in her department. Some days, they share money sef.

She can video call me for 3 hours at work. That's how jobless they are there.

I can tolerate a case for jobs outside the civil service. Most of them are paid to do nothing

But yet they will be the first to shout they are collect small money lol and the small money might be 70k per month... Just like secondary school teachers... When I was in school they even sell handbook they are suppose to give us free and say we should tell the people who came to check that it was free... Besides they come to teach anytime they like... Some won't even come at all like our literature teacher... But yet they will shout our money is small without doing anything...
Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by mignone(f): 4:37pm On Aug 03, 2022
budaatum:


Funny thing is, restructuring involves the elimination of "'idle' ppl receiving salaries", just that most peoples' "advent of restructuring" does not include "a fifth of civil/public servants out of job".

You may not be condoning mediocrity but paying for mediocrity encourages mediocrity. If mediocrity stops being rewarded people will up their game. Restructuring should be for positive change and not for same ol' same ol'.
I understand u fully well but who stops the mediocrity - either by halting d pay of d idle or whatever?
What do our leaders "get paid" for?
Dt's why I keep hoping "restructuring" does it when it eventually happens. I'm optimistic!

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Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by budaatum: 4:45pm On Aug 03, 2022
mignone:

I understand u fully well but who stops the mediocrity - either by halting d pay of d idle or whatever?
What do our leaders "get paid" for?
Dt's why I keep hoping "restructuring" does it when it eventually happens. I'm optimistic!

Our leaders "get paid" for mediocrity. Mediocre Nigerians elect mediocre individuals to lead them mediocrelly, and only a restructuring of our mediocre minds is required for mediocrity to stop.

Basically, if you and I and many more others de-mediocre ourselves we would not chose mediocre to lead us just as we would never chose a blind person to lead us if we ourselves had only one eye.
Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by mignone(f): 5:51pm On Aug 03, 2022
budaatum:


Our leaders "get paid" for mediocrity. Mediocre Nigerians elect mediocre individuals to lead them mediocrelly, and only a restructuring of our mediocre minds is required for mediocrity to stop.

Basically, if you and I and many more others de-mediocre ourselves we would not chose mediocre to lead us just as we would never chose a blind person to lead us if we ourselves had only one eye.

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Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by mignone(f): 5:52pm On Aug 03, 2022
budaatum:


Our leaders "get paid" for mediocrity. Mediocre Nigerians elect mediocre individuals to lead them mediocrelly, and only a restructuring of our mediocre minds is required for mediocrity to stop.

Basically, if you and I and many more others de-mediocre ourselves we would not chose mediocre to lead us just as we would never chose a blind person to lead us if we ourselves had only one eye.
Hmmm... thought provoking but how many more nigerians can I/you convince when d majority are "rotten".
I know what I experience d times I try to (e.g.) dissuade ppl from littering d roads/streets, same with my siblings &other like-minded ppl cos we share similar values.
Anyway, it doesn't stop me tho. People know me for my principles at work.
I'm stills optimistic though.

Hmmm... thought provoking but how many more nigerians can I/you convince when d majority are "rotten".
I know what I experience d times I try to (e.g.) dissuade ppl from littering d roads/streets, same with my siblings &other like-minded ppl cos we share similar values.
Anyway, it doesn't stop me tho. People know me for my principles at work.
I'm still optimistic.

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Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by budaatum: 6:28pm On Aug 03, 2022
mignone:

Hmmm... thought provoking but how many more nigerians can I/you convince when d majority are "rotten".
I know what I experience d times I try to (e.g.) dissuade ppl from littering d roads/streets, same with my siblings &other like-minded ppl cos we share similar values.
Anyway, it doesn't stop me tho. People know me for my principles at work.
I'm still optimistic.

First, the majority of Nigerians are not rotten. If you go in the streets of your Nigerian neighbourhood or your Nigerian workplace to test this fact for yourself you will find more not-rotten Nigerians than rotten ones, but you thinking otherwise is indicative of you not being optimistic enough despite the stated evidence, "People know me for my principles at work".

In my own neighbourhood my people have seen me picking litter around my house so dare not litter around my house least they need to see me picking it up for them with my semi grey hairs. They in fact claim I have jujufied the land. They may horse about approaching my yard but their mediocrity stops as soon as they step on my land while walking across my compound coming back from school or market or I stick them with a ban so they have to go the long way round and they would not be able to receive the carrot of reading and exercise books from me nor would they be able to beg me to help them with their school fees which pisses off their poor parents.

Think horse taming. Instead of blaming the horse you catch in the wild for not carrying you and your luggage, you train the horse with the stick and carrots to wear a bit and carry you and your luggage wherever you wish it to go. That, is the definition of lead. But one must first train oneself to be a horse tamer I guess, or one's cart may end up pulling one's horse.

Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by mignone(f): 10:25pm On Aug 03, 2022
budaatum:


First, the majority of Nigerians are not rotten. If you go in the streets of your Nigerian neighbourhood or your Nigerian workplace to test this fact for yourself you will find more not-rotten Nigerians than rotten ones, but you thinking otherwise is indicative of you not being optimistic enough despite the stated evidence, "People know me for my principles at work".

In my own neighbourhood my people have seen me picking litter around my house so dare not litter around my house least they need to see me picking it up for them with my semi grey hairs. They in fact claim I have jujufied the land. They may horse about approaching my yard but their mediocrity stops as soon as they step on my land while walking across my compound coming back from school or market or I stick them with a ban so they have to go the long way round and they would not be able to receive the carrot of reading and exercise books from me nor would they be able to beg me to help them with their school fees which pisses off their poor parents.

Think horse taming. Instead of blaming the horse you catch in the wild for not carrying you and your luggage, you train the horse with the stick and carrots to wear a bit and carry you and your luggage wherever you wish it to go. That, is the definition of lead. But one must first train oneself to be a horse tamer I guess, or one's cart may end up pulling one's horse.
Wow! Great! Thanks so much. Maybe I'm not really expressing myself well enough bt I don't want to reveal too much.
Personally, I try&to God's glory, very few ppl (let me say clients) are changing. But I used d word "rotten" cos of my work environment where one wld believe to see d best of intellectuals&virtue-laden folks bt it's d opposite. They're prolly d worst set of nigerians I've seen cos they complain abt d state of d country but their xter is contrary to ameliorating issues. I keep trying but they're nt helping matters cos d "clients" see them as superior, so ppl like us don't matter much.
However, some of them av no choice when they need help around me tho&thru dt, I spell d rules. E.g. go back to pick dt litter before I attend to u.
I also think that punitive measures will compel more ppl to do d right things &refrain from wrongdoings; my reason for always mentioning 'restructuring'.
It is well.

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Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by alphaNomega: 4:47pm On Aug 04, 2022
pocohantas:


I very well understand the meaning of pay per hour. I understand its demerits and implications too. So if you took some time to read and check the opening post, you wouldn’t have missed this.

Now we have many Burger Kings and all in Nigeria being paid 15k a month. They consider this a job and get sacked anyhow. Why are they not being paid per hour. That is the question, Sir. Thank you.



But the paychecks are not even regular in Nigeria. These workers wait for months to get paid. So?

Please read my post again
Re: Why Don’t Nigerian Employers Adopt Hourly Pay? by pocohantas(f): 4:52pm On Aug 04, 2022
alphaNomega:


Please read my post again

After how many days? Say e go recharge my phone? Toor!

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