tctrills:

I am not sure I understand your point or the writers point.
He says Christians should stop oppressing Muslims but he never gave a single instance of Christians oppressing Muslims.
It is usually always the other way around.

Lukuluku69:


Please read again.

You will find deep hatred and animosity for the Muslims and Islam from the Christians for their Muslims countrymen/women.

The experience is not palatable at all. But in all of these, you won't see the Muslims complain and make any issue out of it.

So, not letting the Muslims use a spot for their 30 mins prayer( the sermon/prayer time is usually not more than that) but the Christians can fellowship, do prayer meeting, observe vigils and many other stuff in the same Campus is what?

Applegirl22:
*Christianity is not Superior*

By Olufemi A., Ph.D

*The highest result of Education is Tolerance (Helen Keller, 1903). There is a need to look inward on the matters that dismantle the peaceful coexistence in our society. In a multi ethnic society that share the bond of religion, tolerance is pertinent. Tolerance can never be achieved if one group plays God. If we are to live in peace, we must come to know each other better (Lyndon B Johnson, 1965)*

When I lived in the Muslim community of different cultural groups in the North and South of Nigeria, I enjoyed the freedom of existence in my relationship with them.

In the Northern part of Nigeria, they don't entertain jokes especially at the expense of their religion. Religion comes first in everything they do. If you are to live in their community, you must respect their position on religion. So it is in India, where Cows are worshiped. Out of the 29 States in India, 20 states prohibit Cow slaughtering. Slaughtering a Cow for any reason is tantamount to killing their God. Peace connot be kept by force, it can only be kept by understanding (Albert Einstein)

I have spent many years in Academics and I have a bank of experience on how we oppress the Muslims by depriving them their rights.

When I left Obafemi Awolowo University some years ago, there was only one Muslim lecturer in the Faculty of Pharmacy. Out of the Twenty one Lecturers in the Department of Educational Foundation and Counseling, only Dr Sobowale was a Muslim. The Department of Medicine under the Leadership of a Professor who is also the General Overseer of a Church, witnessed an Era where competent Doctors were denied their right of employment because of their Muslim religion. I was sad when I heard that the Small spot on the deck of the Health Sciences building where the Muslim students observe their prayers have been closed whereas classes or any spot in the faculty premises are open to Christian students for fellowship or Devotion without infringement. Christian lecturers have tried in many ways to cancel the Space were the Muslims observe their prayers in the Geology Car park but Professor Ramon of the Geology Department has played a major role in maintaining the spot.

In many occasions, I have intervened in cases were Christian Project Supervisors enforce Christianity on their Project students. They use Christianity as a prerequisite to excellence. I have fought Christian lecturers who deprive some muslim ladies their rights to wear the hijab. These sinful Lecturers never fight against the Catholic Sisters who come to classes, Laboratory, Examination halls and Seminars wearing the Catholic Ragalia or those students who dress like Harlots but their problem is the hijab.

On the 29th day of November, 2021, Dr Awoseemo who served has the Principal of School of Nursing and Midwifery, Obafemi Awolowo University, pressurized the Muslim Nursing students to sign an undertaking stating that they will not use the hijab in the school premises.

On the 5th of February, 2013, According to the Punch News Paper, the Principal of Kadara Junior Grammar School in Lagos State; E. C. Ukpaka, flogged a Muslim student; Aisha Alabi for putting on the hijab. If Ukpaka had beaten the student 5 or 10 strokes, it wouldn't have bothered the public but 43 stokes of cane is harsh and inhumane.

In September 2019, The Premium Times published a news where 30 Professors of the University of Ibadan submitted a petition against the school Authority for scheduling Senate meetings to Friday Prayer times. Some Christian Lecturers also fix Classes to Friday Jumat time.

This is not the right platform to discuss how the Christians in leadership Positions in Universities and Government Parastatals deny the Muslims of Job opportunities, Scholarships, Grants, or Work benefits.

In all my years of work, I have enjoyed working under a Muslim faithful than a Christian Devot. A Faithful Muslim will not deny you a job opportunity because of your faith. He will not beat a Christian Nun because of her Regalia. He will not stop you from morning devotions or force you to join him while he is praying. He will not abuse Jesus Christ or Holy Mary.

Tolerance is the best religion. As Christians, we must stop the oppression and cease to preach hatred towards the Muslims. They are not our enemies. We need to teach our children that Christianity is not Superior to Islam and the Pastor is not Holier than the Imam.
Either men will learn to live like brothers or die like beasts (Max Learner, 1949)

Applegirl22:
*Christianity is not Superior*

By Olufemi A., Ph.D

*The highest result of Education is Tolerance (Helen Keller, 1903). There is a need to look inward on the matters that dismantle the peaceful coexistence in our society. In a multi ethnic society that share the bond of religion, tolerance is pertinent. Tolerance can never be achieved if one group plays God. If we are to live in peace, we must come to know each other better (Lyndon B Johnson, 1965)*

When I lived in the Muslim community of different cultural groups in the North and South of Nigeria, I enjoyed the freedom of existence in my relationship with them.

In the Northern part of Nigeria, they don't entertain jokes especially at the expense of their religion. Religion comes first in everything they do. If you are to live in their community, you must respect their position on religion. So it is in India, where Cows are worshiped. Out of the 29 States in India, 20 states prohibit Cow slaughtering. Slaughtering a Cow for any reason is tantamount to killing their God. Peace connot be kept by force, it can only be kept by understanding (Albert Einstein)

I have spent many years in Academics and I have a bank of experience on how we oppress the Muslims by depriving them their rights.

When I left Obafemi Awolowo University some years ago, there was only one Muslim lecturer in the Faculty of Pharmacy. Out of the Twenty one Lecturers in the Department of Educational Foundation and Counseling, only Dr Sobowale was a Muslim. The Department of Medicine under the Leadership of a Professor who is also the General Overseer of a Church, witnessed an Era where competent Doctors were denied their right of employment because of their Muslim religion. I was sad when I heard that the Small spot on the deck of the Health Sciences building where the Muslim students observe their prayers have been closed whereas classes or any spot in the faculty premises are open to Christian students for fellowship or Devotion without infringement. Christian lecturers have tried in many ways to cancel the Space were the Muslims observe their prayers in the Geology Car park but Professor Ramon of the Geology Department has played a major role in maintaining the spot.

In many occasions, I have intervened in cases were Christian Project Supervisors enforce Christianity on their Project students. They use Christianity as a prerequisite to excellence. I have fought Christian lecturers who deprive some muslim ladies their rights to wear the hijab. These sinful Lecturers never fight against the Catholic Sisters who come to classes, Laboratory, Examination halls and Seminars wearing the Catholic Ragalia or those students who dress like Harlots but their problem is the hijab.

On the 29th day of November, 2021, Dr Awoseemo who served has the Principal of School of Nursing and Midwifery, Obafemi Awolowo University, pressurized the Muslim Nursing students to sign an undertaking stating that they will not use the hijab in the school premises.

On the 5th of February, 2013, According to the Punch News Paper, the Principal of Kadara Junior Grammar School in Lagos State; E. C. Ukpaka, flogged a Muslim student; Aisha Alabi for putting on the hijab. If Ukpaka had beaten the student 5 or 10 strokes, it wouldn't have bothered the public but 43 stokes of cane is harsh and inhumane.

In September 2019, The Premium Times published a news where 30 Professors of the University of Ibadan submitted a petition against the school Authority for scheduling Senate meetings to Friday Prayer times. Some Christian Lecturers also fix Classes to Friday Jumat time.

This is not the right platform to discuss how the Christians in leadership Positions in Universities and Government Parastatals deny the Muslims of Job opportunities, Scholarships, Grants, or Work benefits.

In all my years of work, I have enjoyed working under a Muslim faithful than a Christian Devot. A Faithful Muslim will not deny you a job opportunity because of your faith. He will not beat a Christian Nun because of her Regalia. He will not stop you from morning devotions or force you to join him while he is praying. He will not abuse Jesus Christ or Holy Mary.

Tolerance is the best religion. As Christians, we must stop the oppression and cease to preach hatred towards the Muslims. They are not our enemies. We need to teach our children that Christianity is not Superior to Islam and the Pastor is not Holier than the Imam.
Either men will learn to live like brothers or die like beasts (Max Learner, 1949)

tctrills:

Sir I have traveled round Nigeria. I see Muslims taking over a public roads for their Friday prayers. I have never seen Christians do this not even in the more Christian states.
Now, talking about the individual, I agree. There are Christians that hate Muslims and Muslims that hate Christians. It is stupid to hate anyone but we all have the right to hate and it's not my business if another person chooses to hate. But I need you to give me examples of where and how Christians have impeded on Muslim rights in anyway in Nigeria.
But if you ask me, I would give you 100s of examples where Muslims in Nigeria have impeded on Christians rights and sometimes life. It happens everyday in the north.

Lukuluku69:


Please list 10 out of 100s examples where Muslims have impeded on Christians rights and sometimes I. Life. And please the North is not the only place in Nigeria.

Biggie82:
Great writeup. However, deeply engraved religious bigotry, 'holier than thou' attitude, unquestioned religious indoctrination will not allow a lot of people admit this truth. Tolerance is key, whoever wrote this piece has stayed nothing but the truth.

tctrills:

I could even give you personal examples. I would list major roads even federal roads that are closed when Muslims pray on Fridays.
Also, the North comprises of more than 70% of the country's Muslim population so it's the best place to source examples.
Here is a list of cities where I have personally witnessed Muslims take over a government-built road on Fridays.
Kano
Kaduna
Birnin Kebbi
Even Jos a Christian city.
I have even witnessed this in Lagos island.
Again in the North, the Muslims harass Christians and even destroy property in the name of stopping alcohol sales and consumption.
They forget that not everyone is Muslim and not everyone should live by their rules.
I have seen men harassing ladies for not covering their faces even though these ladies are Christians.
There are many Muslim communities in Nigeria where a Christian lady is not safe if she goes out without a face covering.
If these are not impending Christian rights, tell me what it is.
What makes it very bad is that it happens every day but Christians never complain. Christians are tolerant to a fault.

Lukuluku69:


You are still not get a grasp of a Fundamental here. You said Muslims are a Majority in the North (your stats says 70%). Well, I think that should be enough for any people to set a Rule on how they warn to be governed.

Like I told you earlier, the North is an Islamic terrain as such they are deeply conservative about their views about Life. What you call development is not development to them and what they development is not development to you. Know that and you will know peace.

If road closures on Fridays is an issue what do you say to the fact that ChrIstians Day of worship is a work free day in the whole of Nigeria? So, why take issue with an hour Road closure?

Leave the North and go to the East and see Muslims properties destroyed too. Mosques vandalized and sometimes demolished. I guess you never heard of that before. Go on the internet and read stuff.

About head covering and such, I have been to the North too. I stayed in Kano, Kaduna, Niger I see many uncovered ladies the way Muslims girls/ladies do, so I don't understand what you are saying here

On Road Closures, there is a Catholic Cathedral at Agnes Junction after Sabo inward Yaba, they impede traffic every Sunday and every other times they have a Church program. Have you seen a major complaint from anyone? You won't find any because of Christian complicity and Muslims tolerance.

tctrills:


Let me start with your last point. Do the Catholics at Yaba hold their meetings on the road like Muslims do all over Nigeria? I am talking about Muslims using the road for their meetings.

I agree that the Muslims in the north are free to do whatever they want with themselves but I am talking about they forcing the Christians to live according to their religion. That is where I disagree.

The South East is majority Christian but they don't hold prayers blocking the roads.

Your argument that the road should be closed because Sunday is a holiday, I am not sure I get it. Does Sunday being a holiday impede Muslims in any way? Does Sunday restrict Muslims? If that is the official Muslim excuse for closing roads then they have no excuse. Just imagine it, "We would close roads because Sunday is a holiday." does that make sense to you?

Again, as I said, the north is home to more than 70% of all Nigerian Muslims. The southeast and south south are the Christian part of the country. You will never hear of Muslims being treated like trash in these Christian communities.

Lukuluku69:


You don't have an issue with Sunday being work free in Nigeria because you are a Christian had it been other way round, I am sure there would have been issues. It would have been the usual stuff: Islamization if Friday were to be declared a work free day the same way Sunday is. And I am not arguing to justify any Road Closures, what I am saying is, if you are really tolerant as you claimed to be, AN HOUR ROAD CLOSURE on Fridays should not be an issue for you.

Where I stayed presently, there is a Church right in front of my house. Sunday Service, Wednesday Prayer Meetings, Friday Prayer Meetings, Choirs Practice on Saturdays and many others like Namings, Weddings and Night Vigils. All on serious outdoor mounted speakers. We never complained but guess what? When the Traditionalists in the area sent emissaries that a certain Night Vigil will interfere with their Nocturnal parade, the church cancelled that particular month end Night Vigil. What am I saying? That is tolerance in a way and this was a church that the pastor said any one in the neighborhood who find them making noise should move away because we all met the Church there before we moved in

So, you have never heard of a Mosque burnt in the Eastern part of Nigeria before? Search here on Nairaland. I am sure you will see many stories.

If you find that the Muslim environment up north is an impediment to the kind of life you want to live, you can move down south, for I can tell you for free that the Muslims up north will hold to their Shari'a and way of life for sometimes to come.

And on Sunday and FrIday being work free, don't you think for fairness sake both days should be work free considering the numbers of both Christians and Muslims in Nigeria?

tctrills:


The church service in your compound is held in a private residence. It's not nearly the same as taking over a road sir. I hear the Muslim call to prayer but I have no problem with that, but taking over the road is clear abuse and disrespect to all.

Why would I have a problem if Friday is work free. I am not really a workaholic. On the other hand, choosing a work free day implies much more than religion. Most of the world works on Friday, It would make us less competitive not to work on Friday. Imagine you get an email from another country on Friday, you don't get to reply to it till Monday. This would make Nigerian businesses and companies less competitive. So this goes beyond religion.

Mosques are burnt during riots and other properties destroyed but mostly have nothing to do with religion. On the other hand, the number of Muslim riots and destruction of Christian property in Nigeria is 10x greater. My very Church was burnt in Jos. From Kano to Kaduna, to Jos and even Niger.

Can you honestly say that there have been more Christian riots in Nigeria?

Lukuluku69:


No, the Church is on my street and they make a lot of noise. And I think an hour road closures (which only happens where you have a very big Masjid) shouldn't be an issue considering the fact that the Christians have a whole day to worship God. And the disrespect comes from the Colonial Masters who a majorly Anglicans Christians to impose Sunday as a work free day and leave the Muslim to go to work on Fridays. That is the disrespect. It is agelong and we Muslims don't complain.

Saudi Arabia and some Gulf Countries don't work on Friday, are you suggesting that business or businesses don't move smoothly in those countries?

Mosque burnt on Riots only? And you say it doesn't not have any religious undertones? So, please post me a link of any Church burnt in the East or South South during Riots?

If your Church was burnt, I am deeply sorry about that, but bear in mind that someone mosque was also burnt in the East too.

tctrills:


Most churches and mosques make noise. The streets do not belong to Muslims. The street was built with taxpayers' money, not Muslim money. Why don't Christians block the streets? The Sunday weekend is almost worldwide including in China. The British did not need our permission to choose a holiday. Also, Friday is not even a holiday under Islamic laws. In the days of Muhammad, Muslims did not take Friday as a holiday so let's not pretend that Muslims should be offended by a Sunday holiday.

As I said, I am not against a work free Friday but that is no reason to use the public roads as your worship site. It shows a lack of tolerance and respect for others. What happened to all the mosques? If you don't even see this as a problem, it shows you are comfortable with the continuous Muslim disregard of others.

Again, the British established British laws and not Christian laws. I don't see why the British would establish Arabian laws in their colony.

Lukuluku69:


You are correct that during the time of the Prophet, Friday was never a work free day. In fact Muslims are enjoined to leave off work and trade to answer the call of Friday Prayers but that does not preclude the fact that a Nation or a people can choose that day not to work or work. As a matter of fact, I like and prefer that day to be a working day. Because staying at home doing nothing actually negates that injuction to leave work and trade and answer the call.

The fact that most people decide to rest on Sunday wodwide doesn't make it right not should it be an example for me. The tolerance in it so so allow people choose what suits them and not impose it on them.

And the British can't ask us, they came here with an agenda which includes converting everyone to their Faith. So, setting aside a " Lord's Day" is part of that agenda.

It is true that some mosque block roads on Fridays but I believe blocking a road for an hour or so should warrant the noise we are getting. Tolerate it. It won't kill you as a matter of fact it will endear them to you.

And no the British did not established British Law. They established a pot pouri of many Laws. Canon, Islamic and many Laws to serve their Agenda. I hope you know that thru Indirect Rule adopted for the North, the Shari'a Codes was tactfully endorsed while it was not so for other parts of Nigeria

tctrills:


You got it all wrong, it was the Muslims like Usman Dan fodio who sort to make everyone Muslim. The British did not force their subjects to be Christians. That is why you and most in the north are Muslims. Your ancestors were not compelled to be Christians.
Just so you know, the British were more successful in capturing and ruling over northern Nigeria before they got full control over the southern colonies. Yet they never compelled the Hausa Fulani to be Muslim.

Taking over a road for even a minute is uncivilized and should not be tolerated. It's not done in any civilized country.

Also, why only Muslims. No other religion in Nigeria does this.
Both Christians and traditionalists avoid such trouble. They show respect for others.
The Nigerian Muslim are notorious for this behavior. Why should a religion claim ownership of the road even for a minute and expect the rest of us to tolerate it.

The Nigerian Muslims are the most pampered and tolerated religion.

tctrills:


You got it all wrong, it was the Muslims like Usman Dan fodio who sort to make everyone Muslim. The British did not force their subjects to be Christians. That is why you and most in the north are Muslims. Your ancestors were not compelled to be Christians.
Just so you know, the British were more successful in capturing and ruling over northern Nigeria before they got full control over the southern colonies. Yet they never compelled the Hausa Fulani to be Muslim.

Taking over a road for even a minute is uncivilized and should not be tolerated. It's not done in any civilized country.

Also, why only Muslims. No other religion in Nigeria does this.
Both Christians and traditionalists avoid such trouble. They show respect for others.
The Nigerian Muslim are notorious for this behavior. Why should a religion claim ownership of the road even for a minute and expect the rest of us to tolerate it.

The Nigerian Muslims are the most pampered and tolerated religion.

Lukuluku69:


Check #2.

Lukuluku69:


No you got it all mixed up. The British came for one purpose only. To steal resources and making the subjects Christians was an easy route to actualizing that agenda. The British know that once a people become Christians, they become docile to the Empire Agenda of stealing Resources. That is why they excluded the Muslims of that time from their so-called Education.

Many Muslims had to adopt europen/christian sounding names to get access the the European Schools and some had to pretend they were Christians.

Just so you know, the British only met a Military resistance in the North and the whole of the South were content with the Colonial Masters ruling them. When Europeans appeared on the coast of West Africa, they met Muslims and the Traditionalists alone and no Christians. Yes, Usman Dan Fodio applied some Military excercise but Islam was brought here thru the Trans- Sahara Trade.

And the Btistish never really want a Military confrontation within the Colony for it will send a signal that others can revolt too. They can't sustain a Military campaign and from Experience, they know that the Muslims are a formidable people unlike the converted Christian Locals who are majorly docile because he/she want to go to the Christian Heaven as painted by the Conqueror who are Christians. Before coming to West Africa, the Europeans have had Centuries of conflict with the Muslims. So, they readily allow the North to rule themselves while they continue to steal the Resources of the Land.

The Muslims never claimed the ownership of any Road, they contributed to building of that Road and they can use it. Allowing them to use it is Tolerance. Also, the Traditionalist in Ikorodu, Lagos usually have a Day where Women are not allowed to come out at all and the government allowed it. When they parade in the Night, and you are not an initiate, there are penalties for being caught.

People block road for parties, Crusade and Revivals, you won't see anything wrong with that because you are one of them. If taking over a road for an hour is uncivilized, I guess using Classrooms for Prayer Meeting is when clearly their is a Church Auditorium available.

You see my friend, this is what Tolerance means and you are not showing it.

tctrills:

To do not take over the road in the name of religion.

Lukuluku69:


Read #2 again. If we can tolerate Christians knocking on our doors when not invited without doing unpleasant stuff, if we can tolerate you guys stuffing your Tracts in our face and I'd we can tolerate the so many Preachers that disturb our Trips/Journey without them asking us if we want to hear their messages, bros leave that occasionally one hour road closures. Tolerate the practice.

tctrills:


Before the British the Muslims came to Africa with the purpose to steal and convert Africans to Islam.
In case you don't know more slaves were sold to the Arab world than to the west.
Just so you know, northern Nigeria was captured by Muslim Fulani.
Egypt, Morroco and the rest of north Africa were capture by Muslim Arab forces and most of the black Africans killed.
What stops the Muslims from praying in their mosques. Why must they be the only religion to block out roads.
It's very uncivilized and shows no regards to other road users.

tctrills:

There is nothing indecent about knocking on your door. You have the right to send the visitor away but do we have that same power to kick out Muslims from our roads?