The Bible proves clearly that a child of God is God.

Let's see the relevant scriptures.

John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

The above scripture stated clearly that anyone fathered by God is equal to God.The Jews rightly held this notion. Neither Jesus nor the Bible disprove this notion.

We know for certain that a child of God is fathered by God.(See John 1:12-13, James 1:18.)



John 10:30 I and my Father are one. 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

In this scripture the Bible is saying any man who says God is his father is saying that he is God. This is the notion held by the Jews. Jesus, in latter verses confirmed that this notion is correct. The Bible also did not disprove this notion.

Since a child of God is born of God ( See John 1:13, James 1:18), he has a right to call God his father. Therefore, he has a right to say he is God.


So, this is an incontrovertible fact: a child of God is God because he was fathered by God.


The Jewish leaders would not believe that Jesus was God because he was a man. They wouldn't believe that God fathered him. So, they went about plotting his death and did not stop until they killed him. Similarly, some groups of persons in this generation would not believe that children of God are Gods because they are men. These people are no different from the Jewish leaders who killed Jesus. They are going about "attacking" children of God who say they are Gods. They are like thier fathers- the Jewish leaders. Were they to be alive during Jesus' days, they would have been at the fore front of killing Jesus.

Steep come over let's debate.

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The Bible proves clearly that a child of God is God.

Let's see the relevant scriptures.

John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

The above scripture stated clearly that anyone fathered by God is equal to God.The Jews rightly held this notion. Neither Jesus nor the Bible disprove this notion.

We know for certain that a child of God is fathered by God.(See John 1:12-13, James 1:18.)



John 10:30 I and my Father are one. 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

In this scripture the Bible is saying any man who says God is his father is saying that he is God. This is the notion held by the Jews. Jesus, in latter verses confirmed that this notion is correct. The Bible also did not disprove this notion.

Since a child of God is born of God ( See John 1:13, James 1:18), he has a right to call God his father. Therefore, he has a right to say he is God.


So, this is an incontrovertible fact: a child of God is God because he was fathered by God.


The Jewish leaders would not believe that Jesus was God because he was a man. They wouldn't believe that God fathered him. So, they went about plotting his death and did not stop until they killed him. Similarly, some groups of persons in this generation would not believe that a child of God is God because they are men. These people are no different from the Jewish leaders who killed Jesus. They are going about "attacking" children of God who say they are God. They are like thier fathers- the Jewish leaders. Were they to be alive during Jesus' days, they would have been at the fore front of killing Jesus.

Before I proceed, answer these question
1. Are you equal to God?
2. If you are God then you should be worshiped as God?
3.. Are those who worship saints like Mary and the rest wrong or right?

Steep:

Before I proceed, answer these question
1. Are you equal to God?
2. If you are God then you should be worshiped as God?
3.. Are those who worship saints like Mary and the rest wrong or right?

The Bible says anyone fathered by God is equal to God. (John 5:18). I believe it, and that settles it. I am equal to God. God and is children are equal. They are all Gods. None is lower than the other. They are all Deities.


A God is an object of worship. Gods are meant to be worshipped. If you can't be worshipped, you are not God. I accept worship as God.


Anybody who is fathered by God is God and thus qualified for worship.

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The Bible proves clearly that a child of God is God.

Let's see the relevant scriptures.

John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

The above scripture stated clearly that anyone fathered by God is equal to God.The Jews rightly held this notion. Neither Jesus nor the Bible disprove this notion.

We know for certain that a child of God is fathered by God.(See John 1:12-13, James 1:18.)



John 10:30 I and my Father are one. 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

In this scripture the Bible is saying any man who says God is his father is saying that he is God. This is the notion held by the Jews. Jesus, in latter verses confirmed that this notion is correct. The Bible also did not disprove this notion.

Since a child of God is born of God ( See John 1:13, James 1:18), he has a right to call God his father. Therefore, he has a right to say he is God.


So, this is an incontrovertible fact: a child of God is God because he was fathered by God.


The Jewish leaders would not believe that Jesus was God because he was a man. They wouldn't believe that God fathered him. So, they went about plotting his death and did not stop until they killed him. Similarly, some groups of persons in this generation would not believe that children of God are Gods because they are men. These people are no different from the Jewish leaders who killed Jesus. They are going about "attacking" children of God who say they are Gods. They are like thier fathers- the Jewish leaders. Were they to be alive during Jesus' days, they would have been at the fore front of killing Jesus.

The child of a Lion is a lion. The child of an eagle is an eagle. The child of a human is human. The children of God are Gods.

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Anybody who is fathered by God is God and thus qualified for worship.

The title "GOD" connotes SUPREME BEING so it's not necessary that a God must be worshiped but the import of that title is the ability to change the system of things either for the better or worse.
Moses and Jesus were referred to as God {Exodus 7:1; Isaiah 9:6} both of them were given the power to change many things but they never demand worship from anyone neither were they worshiped by anyone.
Satan is also a God {2Corinthians 4:4} he also changed the system of things where he found Adam and Eve but this one demanded for worship! Luke 4:5-7
So it's not all Gods that are to be worshiped but all children of God are Gods! Psalms 82:6

May you have PEACE!

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The Bible says anyone fathered by God is equal to God. (John 5:18). I believe it, and that settles it. I am equal to God. God and is children are equal. They are all Gods. None is lower than the other. They are all Deities.


A God is an object of worship. Gods are meant to be worshipped. If you can't be worshipped, you are not God. I accept worship as God.


Anybody who is fathered by God is God and thus qualified for worship.

John 5 vv 18 never said anyone fathered by God is God.

Quoting scripture out of context is no new thing.

Satan still quoted scripture also.
Luke 4:10.

The very definition of God has thrashed you already.

God was never created.
Psalms 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

The bible made it clear that the man born again is a creature.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

The bible made it clear that the wrath of God is upon anyone who serve and worship the creature rather the creator.

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

In verse 25 the word "more than the creator" actually means "beside the creator" it is "para" in the Greek interlinear.



It is a pity for your soul.

If you want to argue further I won't bother replying you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f8fotz5GUo

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The Bible proves clearly that a child of God is God.

Let's see the relevant scriptures.

John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

The above scripture stated clearly that anyone fathered by God is equal to God.The Jews rightly held this notion. Neither Jesus nor the Bible disprove this notion.

We know for certain that a child of God is fathered by God.(See John 1:12-13, James 1:18.)...

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Are you serious? GOD is GOD alone... and HE knows precisely what the redeemed of GOD in CHRIST, YESHUA are... "the spirits of just men made perfect..." - Hebrews 12:23

"For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone." - Psalm 86:10

The redeemed of the LORD are not inclined, by GOD's grace, to magnify themselves... rather say...

"Let all those that seek thee rejoice and be glad in thee: and let such as love thy salvation say continually, Let God be magnified." - Psalm 70:4

[quote author=Steep post=116151359] John 5 vv 18 never said anyone fathered by God is God.

Quoting scripture out of context is no new thing.

Satan still quoted scripture also.
Luke 4:10.

John 5:18 did say anyone who calls God his father makes himself equal to God or did it not say that? When you call God your father are you not saying he fathered you?
The message of John 5:18 is very clear. I don't think you know the meaning of the word context. What a weak argument. Okay tell us what John 5:18 is saying?

I knew it. I knew once I bring scriptures whose meaning are clear and not open to interpretation you would collapse and fall by the way side trying to cling to straw.

The very definition of God has thrashed you already.

God was never created.
Psalms 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

The bible made it clear that the man born again is a creature.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

The bible made it clear that the wrath of God is upon anyone who serve and worship the creature rather the creator.

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

In verse 25 the word "more than the creator" actually means "beside the creator" it is "para" in the Greek interlinear.

2 Cor 5:17 , which I consider the most powerful scripture in the Epistles, explains to us what happens when a person becomes again. It makes us understand that a knew spirit comes into existence and not that the old spirit is renovated, refurbished or upgraded. Paul use the words "new creation" to effectively drive home the point since most people are already familiar with the concept of God creating man. Paul was just being good teacher. We were not created by God. We are not his creations. We are his sons and daughters. He gave birth to us. He fathered us. It is wrong to pick a verse of scripture in isolation and use it to form opinion. Bible says out of the mouth of two or three witnesses a word is established.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

The word translated born in the above verse is the word gennaó which means "to give birth to".




1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

The word translated seed here is the word "spora" which means "reproductive seed".




James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

The word translated begat here is the word apeküēsen which means "to give birth to a child".
So, we were not created. God reproduced us. He gave birth to us. He fathered us. We are not one if his creations.

The problem with you and your kind is that you are lost in your humanity so much that you are not coscious of your divinity. You have inferiority complex. You feel so inferior to God, your mind can not come to terms with relating to him at the God level. Until you come to terms with your divinity you will remain limited and will never be able to come to the fullest of the stature of Christ.


In the following scripture Jesus himself said he will cause people to come and worship his brothers.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Let me guess. You will say that I quoted the scripture out of context. That is your new weak argument.

It is a pity for your soul.

If you want to argue further I won't bother repy you.

I know that God is my father. He fathered me. I came out of his loins and as such I am a being after his kind. I am comfortable with my Divinity, so I accept worship. I worship Jesus and the Father too. I advice you to act likewise.

the scripture has made it clear that in the last days scoffers will come walking in their own lust.

The scripture made it clear that those born of God were created.

Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.


Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Did the apostles ever recieved worship?

Acts 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.


10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

The reaction of Peter in vs 26 is also clearly seen, Peter rejected worship.

How about Paul?

Acts 14:11 And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.

14:15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

The reaction of Paul in rejecting the worship, speaks of the intent of his letter, Paul never saw himself as equal to God to receive worship.

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Steep:
the scripture has made it clear that in the last days scoffers will come walking in their own lust.

The scripture made it clear that those born of God were created.

Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.


Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Like I told you that is Paul wat of effectively communicating what happen at the new birth.

All you have quoted is Paul. You need two or three witnesses to form an opinion.Bible says out of the mouth of two or three witnesses a word shall be established.

I gave you three witnesses: John, Peter, and James all stating that we were fathered by God. The only way to establish that word you are propagating is to quote two or three witnesses. So far, you have quoted one witness- Paul.

Steep:
Did the apostles ever recieved worship?

Acts 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.


10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

The reaction of Peter in vs 26 is also clearly seen, Peter rejected worship.

How about Paul?

Acts 14:11 And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.

14:15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

The reaction of Paul in rejecting the worship, speaks of the intent of his letter, Paul never saw himself as equal to God to receive worship.

How can a man who is on evangelism promote himself and not Jesus? Who does that?

No one gets saved by believing in Jehovah God or worshipping him. The Israelites who had a covenant relationship with Jehovah did not get saved by worshipping him.

No one gets saved by worshipping a child of God. People get saved by receiving Jesus Christ as their lord. It is the preaching of Jesus that saves people.

Cornelius was a gentile who was worshipping the isrealites God. He knew nothing about Jesus. He was awe struck by the fact that Peter actually existed as the angel has said and took him as some god(emphasis on the small g). It would be wrong to accept that kind of worship. It would put his focus on Peter for salvation rather than Jesus. It will not help him get saved. If I were in Peter's shoes I would do likewise. A child of God should only accept or allow worship that is done with revelation or understanding. If people try to worship me because they believe I derive my right to worship from being born by Jehovah God, I will allow or accept the worship otherwise I will reject or disallow it . I will not allow people to worship me in replacement for God or Jesus. When I go for evangelism, I preach Jesus and nothing more. However, I tell people who already have a relationship with Jehovah and Jesus that they are equally God and are worthy of worship.



That reference to Paul is not even relevant. Paul and his partner went there to turn those people from idols to serve the living God. When they saw Paul's miracles, rather than turn from idols, they decided to upgrade their idol worshipping. They concluded that Paul and his partner was their idolatrous gods come in human flesh. They immediately named Paul and Barnabas after their gods and the priest started the process of offering sacrifices to Paul and Barnabas. How on Earth do you expect Paul and Barnabas to accept such idolatrous worship. They had literarily made idols of them. See the scripture below.

Acts 14:11 And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. 14:13[b] Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.[/b]

I said I won't reply you but then, you spill so much babbles that it is mind boggling.

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Like I told you that is Paul wat of effectively communicating what happen at the new birth.

All you have quoted is Paul. You need two or three witnesses to form an opinion.Bible says out of the mouth of two or three witnesses a word shall be established.

I gave you three witnesses: John, Peter, and James all stating that we were fathered by God. The only way to establish that word you are propagating is to quote two or three witnesses. So far, you have quoted one witness- Paul.

Now you have problem Paul because he exposed you.
The scripture clearly says those born of God are created, they are not God.

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How can a man who is on evangelism promote himself and not Jesus? Who does that?

No one gets saved by believing in Jehovah God or worshipping him. The Israelites who had a covenant relationship with Jehovah did not get saved by worshipping him.

very irrelevant, if Peter was God he would have accepted worship.
Secondly, Peter rejected worship the reason he gave is because he was a man.
Meaning a man should not be worshipped.

Acts 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.

10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

You have no where to hide

No one gets saved by worshipping a child of God. People get saved by receiving Jesus Christ as their lord. It is the preaching of Jesus that saves people.

Cornelius was a gentile who was worshipping the isrealites God. He knew nothing about Jesus. He was awe struck by the fact that Peter actually existed as the angel has said and took him as some god(emphasis on the small g). It would be wrong to accept that kind of worship. It would put his focus on Peter for salvation rather than Jesus. It will not help him get saved. If I were in Peter's shoes I would do likewise. A child of God should only accept or allow worship that is done with revelation or understanding. If people try to worship me because they believe I derive my right to worship from being born by Jehovah God, I will allow or accept the worship otherwise I will reject or disallow it . I will not allow people to worship me in replacement for God or Jesus. When I go for evangelism, I preach Jesus and nothing more. However, I tell people who already have a relationship with Jehovah and Jesus that they are equally God and are worthy of worship.

It is very relevant, Paul's respond, says it all.

Acts 14:15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

Same response with Peter, Paul said they are just humans like them.

What did God say about the prince of Tyre who exalted himself as God?

Ezekiel 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

The scripture is consistent that man is not God neither can he be.
It is gnostics that teach that man can become God, this is the very thing Satan used to decieve Eve and he has decieved you too.

That reference to Paul is not even relevant. Paul and his partner went there to turn those people from idols to serve the living God. When they saw Paul's miracles, rather than turn from idols, they decided to upgrade their idol worshipping. They concluded that Paul and his partner was their idolatrous gods come in human flesh. They immediately named Paul and Barnabas after their gods and the priest started the process of offering sacrifices to Paul and Barnabas. How on Earth do you expect Paul and Barnabas to accept such idolatrous worship. They had literarily made idols of them. See the scripture below.

Acts 14:11 And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. 14:13[b] Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.[/b]

The reference to Paul is very relevant

Paul stated the reason for rejecting such worship, that is, they were just men.