I'm wondering why people don't because I found out a while ago I have Fulani heritage but nowhere did I see anyone mention they were a different race to other Nigerians? But it seems southern Nigerians don't see them as the same race a few times I heard they were called the Arabs up north? Or that long ago or sometimes Africans see them as "white". But like as a pet name.... Not actual Caucasian people. I literally recently found out fulani's of Nigeria and so forth aren't even sub-Saharan African and they're native to the southern shore of the Sahara. And that anthropologist put fulani's in the Caucasian race as the northern/western hamitic race alongside other north Africans. I'm like about 75% fulani/Tuareg and I honestly feel like me and much of my family would often be perceived as middle eastern or sand* with racist hardly ever perceived as other Africans who were sub-Saharan. And that's among black people. It's weird too because when you bring up east Africans or fulani's or north Africans being different from black subsaharan Africans some black people seem offended by recognizing a difference. I don't see sub-Saharan African ancestry or features as less than they're beautiful but I also think personal experiences and personal phenotypes are different and it's important to recognize that especially since fulani's aren't place in the same race even legally since black is specifically for sub-Saharan Africans and fulanis are extremely southern saharans who have throughout history been placed as Caucasian due to the cranial structure similarities. I have to say lastly I've noticed white people pay attention more to cranial structure and hair texture than skin tone that's how they place Asian Indian an and mestizo Caucasian and black populations in different categories even if we're the same color. I've talked to Nigerians who do act like fulani's are racially different as well. Anytime I told a Nigerian I was about half Nigerian descent they didn't think I belonged and acted like northern Fulani we're a whole different race of people. Anywho whatdo you think? Did you always see fulani's as a separate race? Did you know they were/are technically put in a different race than sub-Saharan Africans? And ps I'm not talking about black subsaharan Africans who were raised in Fulani culture but actual genetic fulani's.

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Hamitic subrace of Caucasian apparently the same as the northern and western Hamites like the toubou and tuaregs and north africans

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Dmj28:


Hamitic subrace of Caucasian apparently the same as the northern and western Hamites like the toubou and tuaregs and north africans

thank you for the enlightenment

Because we dont think likr 19th century colonial sociologists, how can i already tell OP is somali?

"Why don't people mention that Fulanis are Caucasians..."

Because Fulanis are not Caucasians.

Maazieze:
Because we dont think likr 19th century colonial sociologists, how can i already tell OP is somali?

No not one bit I'm Fulani descent and have almost half Nigerian descent I'm American. But reality is the Caucasian race icludes the hamitic race which fulani's fall under

RedboneSmith:
"Why don't people mention that Fulanis are Caucasians..."

Because Fulanis are not Caucasians.

Yes we are.

nigga really follows the hamatic theory, im sorry you were born into such a thing

We are all humans, let's love ourselves

Dmj28:


Yes we are.

You're quoting the outdated works of Sergei, a widely discredited colonial racist for me? You're not serious.

Nobody in modern anthropology uses the word Hamites or Hamitic anymore. This is not 1901.

The white cops who shot and killed the aristocratic Fulani man, Amadou Diallo in New York did not see him as anything but a black man. If you like be there and be deceiving yourself.

Maazieze:
nigga really follows the hamatic theory, im sorry you were born into such a thing

I think how mostly race is defined it's accurate to personal experiences race is defined by cranial structure I can compare my face to Caucasians but not really sub-Saharan africans. Added to geography fulani's are native to the shore of the Sahara so technically not subsaharan africans. Idk my experience is I'm treated like I'm north African no different than North Sudanese in many cases treated less black than them even

RedboneSmith:


You're quoting the outdated works of Sergei, a widely discredited colonial racist for me? You're not serious.

Nobody in modern anthropology uses the word Hamites or Hamitic anymore. This is not 1901.

I used two links. And saying they're racist seems you're just upset at the conclusion.... If a racist said fulani's we're Caucasian it's quite safe to say they are I mean that's actually the argument you'd use to say they are Caucasians. Even racists white people can see we're Caucasian. And I'll say that's definitely true when they're racist they don't normally go straight to talking about being black but being mena heritage ergo the whole sand N slur. And other epithets.

RedboneSmith:


You're quoting the outdated works of Sergei, a widely discredited colonial racist for me? You're not serious.

Nobody in modern anthropology uses the word Hamites or Hamitic anymore. This is not 1901.

Lastly hamitic race is simply a subset race of the Caucasian race like Semitic race. All anthropologists have put Fulani tibou and tuaregs as Caucasian with the Hausa Fulani as black africans. Even the Sahara map demonstrates this as it cuts off in northern new her a which means the Fulani aren't even native to sub-Saharan Africa according to the us census anyone native to Saharan Africa is Caucasian.

RedboneSmith:
The white cops who shot and killed the aristocratic Fulani man, Amadou Diallo in New York did not see him as anything but a black man. If you like be there and be deceiving yourself.

Yeah I'm American and have been pulled over by the police and given a ticket they don't put black as my race. I am an Americany family is from here so I know what's real and what's not btw I wasn't taught to fear the police at all and I don't think they shoot black people indiscriminate nately it's those that follow a certain subculture but you'll find white people who follow that subculture have the same problem.

Dmj28:


Lastly hamitic race is simply a subset race of the Caucasian race like Semitic race. All anthropologists have put Fulani tibou and tuaregs as Caucasian with the Hausa Fulani as black africans. Even the Sahara map demonstrates this as it cuts off in northern new her a which means the Fulani aren't even native to sub-Saharan Africa according to the us census anyone native to Saharan Africa is Caucasian.

Again, Hamitic is an outdated term that is no longer in use. Ask any anthropologist, they'll tell you no one in academia uses it anymore. It was used to refer to Afro-Asiatic language families spoken solely in Africa. That is, Ancient Egyptian, Coptic, the Cushitic languages like Somali and Galla, the Chadic languages like Hausa and Angas, and the Berbers languages like Tuareg.

The Fulani don't even speak a language that can be classified as a 'Hamitic' language. They speak a Niger-Congo language, same as most Sub-Saharan Africans like Igbos, Yorubas, Zulus, etc.

It was racists from a past-era that attempted to use 'Hamitic' to mean a racial group, instead of the language super-group that is was. Everywhere in Africa where they found tall skinny people with narrow facial features, they slammed the term 'Hamitic' on them, and tried to claim that they were the 'master race' who civilized the 'backward' Negro types. That was how peoples like the Tutsi, the Maasai and even the Fulani all of whom do not even speak Afro-Asiatic languages got slammed with the term 'Hamites'. And you are feeding into that old school racialism.

Fulanis are not Caucasians.

In any case, I seriously doubt you're Fulani.

You're probably a Horn African pretending to be Fulani (most likely the same Somali troll that plagued this forum for years).

What country in West Africa are you from?

Dmj28:


Even racists white people can see we're Caucasian. And I'll say that's definitely true when they're racist they don't normally go straight to talking about being black but being mena heritage ergo the whole sand N slur. And other epithets.

Even the racist whites can see you're Caucasian?

Mehn, quite playing! Racist whites won't even recognize an Indo-Aryan from India as Caucasian. Italians were even called Guineas (a term that mean Africans or black people) in 1900s White America. They don't see your West African Fulani self as Caucasian. Quit the self-deception.

If they call you sand nigger, it's because of your Muslim-Arabic name and your oriental dressing, and not your phenotype. Try wearing jeans and t-shirt and calling yourself Winston. At best you'd look like a redbone (a light-skinned African-American man) to them. Quit playing.

Dmj28:


I don't think they shoot black people indiscriminate nately it's those that follow a certain subculture but you'll find white people who follow that subculture have the same problem.

I know where you're going with this. Amadou Diallo was not a 'thug'. Man was literally just standing in front of his house, when the cops showed up with the usual racial profiling of him looking like a rape suspect. The only difference between him and countless white people who stand around their homes without getting shot is his skin color.

RedboneSmith:


Again, Hamitic is an outdated term that is no longer in use. Ask any anthropologist, they'll tell you no one in academia uses it anymore. It was used to refer to Afro-Asiatic language families spoken solely in Africa. That is, Ancient Egyptian, Coptic, the Cushitic languages like Somali and Galla, the Chadic languages like Hausa and Angas, and the Berbers languages like Tuareg.

The Fulani don't even speak a language that can be classified as a 'Hamitic' language. They speak a Niger-Congo language, same as most Sub-Saharan Africans like Igbos, Yorubas, Zulus, etc.

It was racists from a past-era that attempted to use 'Hamitic' to mean a racial group, instead of the language super-group that is was. Everywhere in Africa where they found tall skinny people with narrow facial features, they slammed the term 'Hamitic' on them, and tried to claim that they were the 'master race' who civilized the 'backward' Negro types. That was how peoples like the Tutsi, the Maasai and even the Fulani all of whom do not even speak Afro-Asiatic languages got slammed with the term 'Hamites'. And you are feeding into that old school racialism.

Fulanis are not Caucasians.

Yes a Hausa can walk down the street and be perceived Caucasian because they speak an Afro-Asiatic language but a Fulani can't because of the language they speak. You seem extremely ignorant as languages aren't race. And btw Caucasian is an outdated term. Society has gone pretty woke.... So that's not going to work on reality I get that you don't like that fulani's are Caucasian but that doesn't change how one is perceived in society or what one would legally put on the census. Again you forgot you were talking to an American in the western world the language you speak doesn't define your race but your phenotype is definitely controlled by your cranial structure. And your race is connected to where your family is native to in Africa

And it's important to point out I've seen light skinned african Americans of majorly Igbo descent perceived as just black because in society race is defined by bone structure those who have Caucasian bone structure aren't perceived as black as much as sub-Saharan africans are.

RedboneSmith:


Again, Hamitic is an outdated term that is no longer in use. Ask any anthropologist, they'll tell you no one in academia uses it anymore. It was used to refer to Afro-Asiatic language families spoken solely in Africa. That is, Ancient Egyptian, Coptic, the Cushitic languages like Somali and Galla, the Chadic languages like Hausa and Angas, and the Berbers languages like Tuareg.

The Fulani don't even speak a language that can be classified as a 'Hamitic' language. They speak a Niger-Congo language, same as most Sub-Saharan Africans like Igbos, Yorubas, Zulus, etc.

It was racists from a past-era that attempted to use 'Hamitic' to mean a racial group, instead of the language super-group that is was. Everywhere in Africa where they found tall skinny people with narrow facial features, they slammed the term 'Hamitic' on them, and tried to claim that they were the 'master race' who civilized the 'backward' Negro types. That was how peoples like the Tutsi, the Maasai and even the Fulani all of whom do not even speak Afro-Asiatic languages got slammed with the term 'Hamites'. And you are feeding into that old school racialism.

Fulanis are not Caucasians.

And btw yes if you have slim features and caramel or lighter skin in America you're not usually perceived as black not white perse but yes technically as a brown Caucasian like middle eastern and north African people race is social construct and based off of people's eyes for me it explains a lot of how my family never seemed to have anything in common with other black Americans without actually being mixed with new world white people. Yet white Americans never treated my family like black Americans and we don't have European new world blood on high levels yet we aren't by either side seen as very ethnic and often questioned to have /be middle eastern/north African descent. When I read that racist white people didn't see fulani's as black but Caucasian in their strongest racist days everything made a lot more sense. Whether you find this racist or not you do get I have to live with mainly white people who discern race by facial features whether they tell you or not which I don't consider that racist btw. That's how st discerning who you think looks black who you think looks middle eastern/north African descent. Most of the problem I've dealt with on a racist front from white people being considered middle eastern during 9/11 and following years with all the terrorist attacks.

RedboneSmith:
In any case, I seriously doubt you're Fulani.

You're probably a Horn African pretending to be Fulani (most likely the same Somali troll that plagued this forum for years).

What country in West Africa are you from?

I'm American. I'm telling you my experience as an American with Fulani heritage. I'm about half Nigerian descent. And yes I have some tuareg heritage as well. I'm just saying in experience when you're brown with Caucasian features you're not perceived as black so much it seems. And I think hamitic africans know that and north africans won't even play along with you and pretend. But east Africans will they literally held you as slaves for being black and not hamitic racially like themselves when my grandma was born. Yet they'll pretend with you they're black for power but is it real? I think it's that they do this particularly the dark skinned ones because they feel they get negative behavior for having such dark skin even then they're not treated the same. But they will try to make you believe that because when you're very dark with Caucasian features they'd be basically in the racial heirarchy placed at the bottom while with you in America they would be place higher among black people which is why some push to be black. I don't seek that I just seek truth rather than pretending especially why would I lie to you and tell you on my day to day life I'm perceived as black when I'm not normally....

RedboneSmith:


Even the racist whites can see you're Caucasian?

Mehn, quite playing! Racist whites won't even recognize an Indo-Aryan from India as Caucasian. Italians were even called Guineas (a term that mean Africans or black people) in 1900s White America. They don't see your West African Fulani self as Caucasian. Quit the self-deception.

If they call you sand nigger, it's because of your Muslim-Arabic name and your oriental dressing, and not your phenotype. Try wearing jeans and t-shirt and calling yourself Winston. At best you'd look like a redbone (a light-skinned African-American man) to them. Quit playing.

Uh no I'm a black American..... I have the same culture as white Americans. And honestly my family didn't experience heavy discrimination back to the 20's when it was segregated they lived in segregated Chicago and New Jersey in white middle class neighborhoods. I've seen people think my grandma was Indian or that my mom was Indian or mixed with Arab like north Sudanese at best. Racist terms against my mom was at the closest one lady told her to go back to Ethiopia. Most of the time it's Egypt though.... Racist people aren't educated well enough to pick many countries but I remember my mom was filling out the race part of the application and she puts other it's a tradition in my family we don't say our race. And the lady was telling her middle eastern and north African people are Caucasian and that she should put caucasian my mom didn't. Because she was race is private business type of thing. But yeah in my experience I've never been perceived as black. And I've noticed I posted my photo up somewhere they kept telling me I was a foreigner illegal because I didn't have an id need to get one soon. And I was trying to tell them I'm a black American. I have really found so many times people get surprised when I say I'm black American. And I have realized maybe this is why my mother's family never said their race because who would say their race if it just causes confusion and problems and on top of it a risk for negativity. But I always thought well isn't that what I am? But finding this out now I see white people don't even see them as black if they're just looking at them and not told what race one is which is probably how my family learned to get along well.

RedboneSmith:


I know where you're going with this. Amadou Diallo was not a 'thug'. Man was literally just standing in front of his house, when the cops showed up with the usual racial profiling of him looking like a rape suspect. The only difference between him and countless white people who stand around their homes without getting shot is his skin color.

A lot of Indians look like him. But I think that actually has to do with the fact that his nose is a little wider. But I already posted the people I'm talking about.

RedboneSmith:


Even the racist whites can see you're Caucasian?

Mehn, quite playing! Racist whites won't even recognize an Indo-Aryan from India as Caucasian. Italians were even called Guineas (a term that mean Africans or black people) in 1900s White America. They don't see your West African Fulani self as Caucasian. Quit the self-deception.

If they call you sand nigger, it's because of your Muslim-Arabic name and your oriental dressing, and not your phenotype. Try wearing jeans and t-shirt and calling yourself Winston. At best you'd look like a redbone (a light-skinned African-American man) to them. Quit playing.

I forgot one other thing. Fulani's are not West African they're North african. Technically. By the standards of the US census. Because they're native to the saharan. West Africa belongs to sub-Saharan Africa for example like cote d'ivoire Ghana benin.

RedboneSmith:


Even the racist whites can see you're Caucasian?

Mehn, quite playing! Racist whites won't even recognize an Indo-Aryan from India as Caucasian. Italians were even called Guineas (a term that mean Africans or black people) in 1900s White America. They don't see your West African Fulani self as Caucasian. Quit the self-deception.

If they call you sand nigger, it's because of your Muslim-Arabic name and your oriental dressing, and not your phenotype. Try wearing jeans and t-shirt and calling yourself Winston. At best you'd look like a redbone (a light-skinned African-American man) to them. Quit playing.

And I didn't say that they were perceived this white Caucasian insurance. I said Brown can caucasians. And for some reason you named all brown caucasians. You do know all the people you listed belong to the Mediterranean race right? As well as the people I'm talking about. And no one sees Indian people as the same races black people nor Italians is the same race as black people. Even then. Neither people were held a slaves and also during Jim Crow days they were not treated the same. Italians could live in the same neighborhoods as otherwise people. And many Indians were allowed to live in many different neighborhoods that black people could not live in so please stop diluting yourself into thinking that anyone who isn't blonde hair blue light is going to be treated like a black person. If that was the case in Asians and Hispanics would be seen as black too. They're not.

RedboneSmith:
In any case, I seriously doubt you're Fulani.

You're probably a Horn African pretending to be Fulani (most likely the same Somali troll that plagued this forum for years).

What country in West Africa are you from?

Nelson self deception is actually thinking you look the same as Indians Italians Asians or hispanics. That's not true and it's quite delusional

Dmj28:


Nelson self deception is actually thinking you look the same as Indians Italians Asians or hispanics. That's not true and it's quite delusional

Self deception is defining yourself by an old anthropological theory to define your world view and human biology for a region your not even directly related to, i bet you just got your 23mugus&me DNA result and thought you were fulani