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Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by onumadu: 10:30pm On Oct 01, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: I merely shared the woman's account some of which had been corroborated by other people who've also had NDE (near death experiences). It doesn't make them iron-clad (as in that she actually had the experience, I wasn't there) in any way, but it has clear biblical support. And she never said anything about how people lived (as in sinning or righteousness) she only said that she was angry at God for years before she had that experience and after which she came to understand God more. That's all. Before I had my own encounter with a heavenly being, I never know it would be possible for two people to communicate volumes of information without using the mouth. But it happened. And the "language" used is one that cannot be translated into any human language because of its depth, complexity and mysticism, hence HEFT. That is the point of this conversation. Man is trying to bottle God into his tiny mindset and language. 1 Like |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by onumadu: 10:36pm On Oct 01, 2022 |
MindHacker9009: LOL@ Boko Haram reference! |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by onumadu: 10:47pm On Oct 01, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: They are all depictions of HUMAN thinking and mindset, and all contain attributes of powerlessness. God is NEVER powerless. The thing is this... God is worshiped by ALL GOD's creation. LOVE is the string that binds God and his creation. When you wake up in the morning, you see the sun rise. Whether you like it or not, you must notice it. Rainfall, snows, stars and heavenly bodies ... the fishes in the oceans and seas, the birds in the air and animals that live underground, ALL LOVE GOD automatically. Why should God be jealous of anything? That is the question. 1 Like |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by Kobojunkie: 10:48pm On Oct 01, 2022 |
onumadu:1. Here's the thing about your NDEs, they are near no biblical support for much of the claims. For instance, according to scripture, unbelievers have no afterlife/eternal life so rather than life continuing for them after death, instead, they are to perish in the grave - Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22. As for those who believe in God and are of the Old Covenant, the story is that those of them who die in unrighteousness also perish in the grave whereas those who die in righteousness sleep in their graves until the time of the resurrection when they will be raised from the dead - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. And as Jesus Christ clearly stated, in His parable of Lazarus and the rich man in Luke 16 vs 19 - 31, no one will be sent back from the dead to warn the living of what awaits on the other side, so those who claim to have been to Heaven/Hell and back, speak instead from a point of delusion and not actual experience. 2. I am afraid that even your own experience is more than likely not backed by that which is of scripture this since Heaven and Hell remain closed to human admission until after Jesus Christ returns to judge the world at the end - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. 3. Interesting! But that is exactly what you are attempting to do here by insisting God cannot be jealous... |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by TenQ: 10:49pm On Oct 01, 2022 |
onumadu:I am NOT humanizing God. I was only using an analogy that you can relate with. (I assumed that you are a male) Man was Created in GOD'S IMAGE! So, if there are similarities, we know where it came from. In the Greek, the word LOVE can mean three different thing as you have said Eros: Emotional, Romantic or even Sexual Love Felio: Family bond/Fratanity kind of endearment Agape: Unconditional Love. You are very wrong about Agape love. Agape love experiences the greatest pain and jealousy Agape love is the kind of love your parent have for you as their child. It is unconditional. So, how do you think you will feel having a child you heavily invested in BUT who doesn't know nor care to know that you are his/her parent BUT prefer to spend his time to relate to a particular teacher in school as a loving child? |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by onumadu: 10:55pm On Oct 01, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Everything you just said is limited to your "Christian" sermons and belief. Notice that I put "Christian" in quotes, because for centuries, the Catholic church killed countless number of Christians. What I talk about is BEYOND RELIGION. Jesus himself, if he were to come to the earth today without revealing his true identity, most churches won't even allow him to address the congregation. You can doubt other people's encounter with God or his angelic beings, but you are NOT the final authority on them. You are just another human being, but GOD IS NOT HUMAN. 1 Like |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by Kobojunkie: 10:58pm On Oct 01, 2022 |
onumadu:1. Powerlessness? Including option d. jeal·ousIn the passage below, we see that God entered into an agreement/ a relationship with the people in question, demanding they honor the agreement/Covenant He made with them. 10 Then the Lord said, “I am making this agreement with all of your people. I will do amazing things that have never before been done for any other nation on earth. The people with you will see that I, the Lord, am very great. They will see the wonderful things that I will do for you.Are you insinuating that by demanding the agreement/contract be honored, God exhibits some form of powerlessness? Are you suggesting that when God demands obedience from His subjects, He is invariably revealing some form of powerlessness as far as the choices His subjects make in the end? 2. God is worshipped by all of His creation but here is the same God demanding obedience/worship from the people of Israel. Are you somehow suggesting that God has no business entering into an agreement with His creation - He ought instead to impose the obedience/ worship of His person on them - against their will? |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by onumadu: 11:01pm On Oct 01, 2022 |
TenQ: I think you mixed things here. Parental love for their child is Philia NOT Agape. Agape has no connections whatsoever. It is love for love's sake. Only God, and people who copy God, practice Agape. |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by Kobojunkie: 11:03pm On Oct 01, 2022 |
onumadu:1. Rather, everything I said is as stated in the ABCD guidebook about God, Scripture as a whole - and these ideas aren't necessarily just of Christianity or any of the churches of men that claim to be of Christianity. 2. Again, the ABCD guidebook, we agreed, is the guide that restricts us to the guides, snippets, clues, hints and etc about God, right? And those guides help us validate every thought or delusion that flies across our minds regarding God, right? |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by onumadu: 11:04pm On Oct 01, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: If you believe that God only revealed himself to the people of Israel, then you and I will never agree. lol God is HUGE, and there are nations that existed for thousands of years before Abraham was born. So, the almighty God had to wait for thousands of years to relate with his own creation? I don't think so. |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by Kobojunkie: 11:08pm On Oct 01, 2022 |
onumadu:1. Who said anything about God only revealing Himself to the people of Israel? I am not an Israelite yet I know God. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Nebuchadnezzar... were not Israelites yet God revealed Himself to them. So? 2. Recall that apart from Israel, many of those whom God engaged with where those who sought Him first. He didn't impose Himself on men (except Israel), and this is since He cursed mankind after Adam. |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by onumadu: 11:09pm On Oct 01, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Look my sister, I used the ABCD analogy for simplicity sake. You would agree with me that there are Arabic scripts, Sanskrit and other scripts (writing systems) that predate English or Latin scripts. The point is that the Bible is a place of reference to learn about God, but it cannot be the only place of reference. There are other places of reference because God is the God of the whole earth (and heavens). I'd be back a bit later. Gotta run an errand now. Love y'all for debating. Please keep posting and I shall respond to all when I return. Thanks in advance! |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by Kobojunkie: 11:15pm On Oct 01, 2022 |
onumadu:1. Not all those scripts describe the same God unless, of course, you perceive the supreme being as some mighty celestial case of dissociative identity disorder in which case, we are all screwed. 2. I would instead posit that the scriptures that relate to even your bible provide the ABCD guide for the deity described within the pages. There are lots of contradictory ideas out there that cannot humanly explain the same deity - again unless you feel the supreme being is a celestial DID case - and as such, it is essential not to confuse them as such. 3. OK |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by TenQ: 12:04am On Oct 02, 2022 |
onumadu: TenQ:You have narrowed down your definition of love to imply that a parent can not have Philia and Agape at the same time for their child. Agape =Unconditional Love Philia=Fratanity/Family Bond The love I have for my wife is both Eros, Philia and Agape! The love I have for my children is mostly Philia and Agape |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by onumadu: 8:34am On Oct 02, 2022 |
TenQ: Agape is UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. It means loving without conditions. I doubt that one can have unconditional love for someone they are related with (that relationship is a condition). lol Human beings are naturally selfish. Almost immutably so. It can happen that we Agape our relations, but hardly so. We Philia them. That stranger you helped on the roadside without asking for any reward is more of what Agape means. The best experience I can remember of Agape is an experience I had while traveling through a foreign country. In that country, English is not the official language. So, I couldn't do the most basic things like board a public transport, or lodge in a hotel. I couldn't do ANYTHING. Then, this man came out of nowhere (when he saw me looking lost and helpless with by baggage). He volunteered his whole day to take me to a hotel. Helped me change my dollars into local currency (without scamming me ), helped me pay my hotel bill, took me to a restaurant where I had dinner, and kept me company a little that evening. The next morning, he came first thing in the morning to again continue where he stopped. He took me to the bus station, helped me pay the bus fare, put me inside the bus, and stood there waiting for the bus to leave. When I offered him some money (because he didn't look rich; infact he looked like he needed the money), HE FLATLY TURNED ME DOWN POLITELY. When the bus was leaving, he stood there as if making sure that I left in peace. He waved at me till my bus drove away to the airport. Till today, I still believe he was an angel sent by God to help me. That, to me, is AGAPE fully demonstrated. |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by onumadu: 8:50am On Oct 02, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: LOL! @ "DID case". Okay, here is how I perceive the supreme being (AKA GOD). He created everything and RUNS them, like a government. In fact, humans have tried to copy God systems from time immemorial. God runs a government. Just like you have say the Federal government providing roads, hospitals, scholarships, fuel subsidy that makes fuel cheaper ... and all other good things of life - "the welfare of the people shall be the purpose of government" , remember? On the other hand, the same government runs law enforcement -courts, prisons, executions in cases of capital punishment, etc Same government! Likewise, in God's government, you have beings carrying out their duties as assigned by God. If you read the Bible carefully, you would see that there is no place where God is equated with any other being. NONE. If you do good, God has put systems in place to reward you. If you do bad, that is exactly why satan and his cohorts exist. Even Jesus Christ had to pass through satan's tests on his way to glorification. Once I came to understand God from that perspective, it was as if some scales fell of my eyes! God is ONE. Everything comes out of HIM. Nothing can exist outside of God. |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by TenQ: 9:17am On Oct 02, 2022 |
onumadu:That was indeed a show of Agape Love to you by this Angel in a man's body. Another word for unconditional love is SACRIFICIAL LOVE. It just simply means promoting another person's Welfare AT YOUR OWN EXPENSE. Parents do that all the time. I sacrifice EVERYTHING for my children NOT because I want anything from them apart that they be SUCCESSFUL. Same way, God want the best for us that we ENJOYED Eternal life with Him at the end of this world. After all, we are also His Creations AND Children (just like our parent). This is not a condition as you stated: it's a relationship (reason) that invoked your choice to give agape love. There is ALWAYS a REASON why we give our LOVE to others. For God, we were created in His IMAGE! Most responsible parent do not invest in their children so that they can be paid back in future. Their object is to see their children Happy, Blessed and Prosperous: this is their GOAL and it is Agape! |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by tctrills: 10:32am On Oct 02, 2022 |
derecho:Jealousy is a sign of weakness and lack of trust. Jealousy is negative energy. Jealousy is not part of love. Jealousy comes with suspicion and fear. In perfect love, there is no fear. 1 John 4:18 |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by derecho(m): 10:38am On Oct 02, 2022 |
You are mistaking Jealousy with Envy. The ALMIGHTY God described Himself as Jealous and you call it Weakness? Fear is not Jealousy tctrills: |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by tctrills: 10:44am On Oct 02, 2022 |
derecho:No, I am not. Jealousy breeds envy. Here are some definitions of jealousy. Feeling or showing an envious resentment of someone or their achievements, possessions, or perceived advantages. feeling or showing a resentful suspicion that one's partner is attracted to or involved with someone else. |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by derecho(m): 11:00am On Oct 02, 2022 |
Jealousy doesn't necessarily breed envy. Just as Eating is part of.our everyday life, if not controlled can make one a glutton.Jealousy if not controlled, can. That said, Just as anyone with a bile can get.angry, anyone who truly loves a thing protects it from abuse. You may not protect a public toilet as you would your personal toilet even if you are given to hygiene. God is Jealous and protective of us because He knows we become our best in/with Him. Healthy Jealousy is a proof that something is dear to you and you care. It is a component of love. Jealousy here has to do with emotional pain not weakness. tctrills: |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by tctrills: 11:26am On Oct 02, 2022 |
derecho:I just gave you the definitions of jealousy. You could look in the dictionary for more definitions. But then let me give you more insight. As a man, you are never jealous of your sons or daughters but you are jealous of your wife. You love your sons and daughters so clearly, jealousy is not about love. It's about fear. You are afraid to lose your wife to other men hence when a man smiles at her, you begin to get worked up. That is pure weakness. God is not like that. |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by derecho(m): 11:58am On Oct 02, 2022 |
You dey make me laff. The truth is different from opinions or what you expect it to be. Except you are saying God doesn't know what He's saying or that God is weak. The letter killeth but the Spirit giveth life. Now concerning what you wrote. Who told you a father or mother can't be Jealous over one's children? Secondly, what's the relationship between Christ and the Church? No be husband and wife? In as much as I try to explain it with everyday examples, you can't fully understand spiritual things with a carnal mind. tctrills: |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by tctrills: 1:52pm On Oct 02, 2022 |
derecho:The most important thing you said was; 'The letter killeth but the Spirit giveth life.' I gave the example of the kids to show that love has nothing to do with jealousy. Jealousy comes from suspicion, fear, and envy. The word jealousy is a mistranslation. |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by derecho(m): 2:22pm On Oct 02, 2022 |
mistranslation? Kikikiki Your challenge is you can't wrap your head round the truth because it doesn't make sense to you using the English dictionary. tctrills: |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by Kobojunkie: 2:34pm On Oct 02, 2022 |
onumadu:This doesn't explain your DID attempt at one God. Even Jesus Christ made clear that a Kingdom divided against itself will fall. So, I am not certain you begin to understand what it is you attempt when you suppose All deities are the same.. As for Jesus Christ passing through the scriptural test of Evil, that is understandable. But attempting to argue that the Christian God is the Hindu God or the Allah, that is why into DID regions and a sign of disconnect. |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by tctrills: 2:54pm On Oct 02, 2022 |
derecho:This sentence you made does not make much sense and let me tell you why. If I for example call you a thief then I claim 'thief' means something else, wouldn't you still feel insulted? You just called God jealous but now you want to change the meaning of jealous, does that make any sense? But you and I know that God does not have a jealousy problem but you want to pretend that jealousy means something beautiful. |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by derecho(m): 3:39pm On Oct 02, 2022 |
So I was the one who called God Jealous? You didn't see it in the Bible? tctrills: |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by tctrills: 4:09pm On Oct 02, 2022 |
derecho:I just told you it's a wrong translation in the English Bible |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by derecho(m): 4:15pm On Oct 02, 2022 |
And I should take your word because? tctrills: |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by tctrills: 4:16pm On Oct 02, 2022 |
derecho:Because God is perfect. Jealousy is petty, weak, and imperfect. |
Re: How Can God Be Jealous Of Anything That He Created? Help Me Understand This Pls by derecho(m): 4:20pm On Oct 02, 2022 |
Kikikiki... That's your opinion. God is Jealous, and His name is Jealous says the Bible tctrills: |
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