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The Falsehood Of Original Sin by AntiChristian: 5:09pm On Nov 16, 2022
Daily Book Reading: Truth For The Truth Seekers P. 19 – 26 By Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman
https://knowislam.com.ng/daily-book-reading-truth-for.../

The reader should bear in mind that we are trying to figure out the origin of the original sin. I have shown how God commanded Adam not to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and how the serpent convinced Eve to eat of the tree who in turn convinced Adam to eat also. That Adam and Eve disobeyed God by eating of the tree they were commanded not to was the ORIGINAL SIN.

Christianity teaches that Jesus came to redeem us from the curse of this sin, which curse? Before we proceed to looking into the curse Christianity says Jesus came to redeem us from, let us look into how the serpent was recompensed for telling Eve the truth that she would not die the day she eats of the tree of the knowledge and good and bad. We read in genesis 3:14,
"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life"

NOW, the bible raises a very serious issue here. This verse tells us that the serpent otherwise known as snake being under God's curse became a reptile. Now, we may ask what was the sin of other reptiles we have today such as the Crocodile, Lizard, Snail, etc. If the serpent was recompensed with going on belly, isn’t it injustice to subject some other animals to the same fate having never sinned against God? Another thing to note is that the serpent might have been walking on fours or upright. It would be fun having to see a walking or flying snake and since the serpent was cursed above every animal, it is certain that there were no reptiles. It would be fun seeing a snail walking upright or on fours. That the serpent shall go on his belly was not the only curse God cast on him, God also said "DUST SHALT THOU EAT ALL THE DAYS OF THY LIFE". Millenniums have passed, we have not seen a snake eating dust. Christians really need to reason.

Now, having known what the original sin was, who lured Adam and Eve to sin and his recompense, let us look into the effect of this sin on Adam and Eve and why Jesus needed to come and save us from the effect of this sin. In Genesis 3:16-17, the Bible says:
"Unto the woman he(God) said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow, thou shalt bring forth children, and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee"
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life"
We can read how God cursed Adam and Eve in these verses as a recompense for their act of disobedience. Christianity teaches that we are all under the effect of this curse and except there is a perfect sacrificial lamb that could serve as atonement for these sins, we would not have salvation. According to Christianity, this sacrificial lamb is Jesus.

Before proceeding to refute the idea that someone needs to come to die for our sins, let us see if the curse the Bible said God rained on Adam and Eve could be justified. While tracing the origin of the original sin, I pointed out how God warned Adam against eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:17). Therefore, prior to eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil. In fact, we can liken them to dummies. Why should God curse Adam and Eve for something they did having no knowledge of either good or evil? Anyone reading this should not hesitate to ask an evangelist anytime they show up at your doorstep. This is also a question a Christian reader should reflect upon.

Since Christianity teaches that Jesus came to die to redeem us from the curse of this sin, why are women still going through pain during childbirth? Some even die. Has man stopped hustling to make ends meet? What then is the significance of this bloody redemption?

The Bible says in Deuteronomy 24:16:
"The father shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin"
We can also read in Ezekiel 18:20:
"The soul that sinneth shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
These verses are refuting the idea that anyone shall die for the sins committed by another, we read further in Ezekiel chapter 18, verse 21 says
"But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die."
Verse 22 says,
"All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live"

A Christian reading this should ponder as these verses portray the loving nature of God not a supposed creator that holds all mankind responsible for the sins committed by two people and would not forgive the people till he kills his supposed only begotten son. Verse 23 of Ezekiel chapter 20 says:
"Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?"
The reader should not hesitate to ask anyone preaching that Jesus must die for us to be saved to answer this question the Bible said God asked in Ezekiel 18:23.God wants sincere repentance, not a bloody sacrifice. Jesus whom the Christians claim came to die for their sins taught his disciples to pray this way,
"Our father, who hath in heaven
hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come
thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven
give us, this day our daily bread
and FORGIVE US OUR TRESPASSES AS WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO TRESPASS AGAINST US..."


One may ask, why is Jesus whose mission was to come on earth to die for our sins enjoining his disciples to ask God for forgiveness of their sins? Was Jesus aware not of his mission?

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Re: The Falsehood Of Original Sin by advocatejare(m): 5:34pm On Nov 16, 2022
AntiChristian:
Daily Book Reading: Truth For The Truth Seekers P. 19 – 26 By Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman
https://knowislam.com.ng/daily-book-reading-truth-for.../

The reader should bear in mind that we are trying to figure out the origin of the original sin. I have shown how God commanded Adam not to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and how the serpent convinced Eve to eat of the tree who in turn convinced Adam to eat also. That Adam and Eve disobeyed God by eating of the tree they were commanded not to was the ORIGINAL SIN.

Christianity teaches that Jesus came to redeem us from the curse of this sin, which curse? Before we proceed to looking into the curse Christianity says Jesus came to redeem us from, let us look into how the serpent was recompensed for telling Eve the truth that she would not die the day she eats of the tree of the knowledge and good and bad. We read in genesis 3:14,
"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life"

NOW, the bible raises a very serious issue here. This verse tells us that the serpent otherwise known as snake being under God's curse became a reptile. Now, we may ask what was the sin of other reptiles we have today such as the Crocodile, Lizard, Snail, etc. If the serpent was recompensed with going on belly, isn’t it injustice to subject some other animals to the same fate having never sinned against God? Another thing to note is that the serpent might have been walking on fours or upright. It would be fun having to see a walking or flying snake and since the serpent was cursed above every animal, it is certain that there were no reptiles. It would be fun seeing a snail walking upright or on fours. That the serpent shall go on his belly was not the only curse God cast on him, God also said "DUST SHALT THOU EAT ALL THE DAYS OF THY LIFE". Millenniums have passed, we have not seen a snake eating dust. Christians really need to reason.

Now, having known what the original sin was, who lured Adam and Eve to sin and his recompense, let us look into the effect of this sin on Adam and Eve and why Jesus needed to come and save us from the effect of this sin. In Genesis 3:16-17, the Bible says:
"Unto the woman he(God) said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow, thou shalt bring forth children, and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee"
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life"
We can read how God cursed Adam and Eve in these verses as a recompense for their act of disobedience. Christianity teaches that we are all under the effect of this curse and except there is a perfect sacrificial lamb that could serve as atonement for these sins, we would not have salvation. According to Christianity, this sacrificial lamb is Jesus.

Before proceeding to refute the idea that someone needs to come to die for our sins, let us see if the curse the Bible said God rained on Adam and Eve could be justified. While tracing the origin of the original sin, I pointed out how God warned Adam against eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:17). Therefore, prior to eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil. In fact, we can liken them to dummies. Why should God curse Adam and Eve for something they did having no knowledge of either good or evil? Anyone reading this should not hesitate to ask an evangelist anytime they show up at your doorstep. This is also a question a Christian reader should reflect upon.

Since Christianity teaches that Jesus came to die to redeem us from the curse of this sin, why are women still going through pain during childbirth? Some even die. Has man stopped hustling to make ends meet? What then is the significance of this bloody redemption?

The Bible says in Deuteronomy 24:16:
"The father shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin"
We can also read in Ezekiel 18:20:
"The soul that sinneth shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
These verses are refuting the idea that anyone shall die for the sins committed by another, we read further in Ezekiel chapter 18, verse 21 says
"But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die."
Verse 22 says,
"All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live"

A Christian reading this should ponder as these verses portray the loving nature of God not a supposed creator that holds all mankind responsible for the sins committed by two people and would not forgive the people till he kills his supposed only begotten son. Verse 23 of Ezekiel chapter 20 says:
"Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?"
The reader should not hesitate to ask anyone preaching that Jesus must die for us to be saved to answer this question the Bible said God asked in Ezekiel 18:23.God wants sincere repentance, not a bloody sacrifice. Jesus whom the Christians claim came to die for their sins taught his disciples to pray this way,
"Our father, who hath in heaven
hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come
thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven
give us, this day our daily bread
and FORGIVE US OUR TRESPASSES AS WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO TRESPASS AGAINST US..."


One may ask, why is Jesus whose mission was to come on earth to die for our sins enjoining his disciples to ask God for forgiveness of their sins? Was Jesus aware not of his mission?

These ignorant Muslims won’t cease to amuse me

Those quotations are from the Torah that your Allah claimed to have revealed! Are you now questioning your Allah?

“ He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel”
-Quran 3:3

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Re: The Falsehood Of Original Sin by Onyiiobi7735(m): 5:37pm On Nov 16, 2022
AntiChristian:
Daily Book Reading: Truth For The Truth Seekers P. 19 – 26 By Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman
https://knowislam.com.ng/daily-book-reading-truth-for.../

The reader should bear in mind that we are trying to figure out the origin of the original sin. I have shown how God commanded Adam not to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and how the serpent convinced Eve to eat of the tree who in turn convinced Adam to eat also. That Adam and Eve disobeyed God by eating of the tree they were commanded not to was the ORIGINAL SIN.

Christianity teaches that Jesus came to redeem us from the curse of this sin, which curse? Before we proceed to looking into the curse Christianity says Jesus came to redeem us from, let us look into how the serpent was recompensed for telling Eve the truth that she would not die the day she eats of the tree of the knowledge and good and bad. We read in genesis 3:14,
"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life"

NOW, the bible raises a very serious issue here. This verse tells us that the serpent otherwise known as snake being under God's curse became a reptile. Now, we may ask what was the sin of other reptiles we have today such as the Crocodile, Lizard, Snail, etc. If the serpent was recompensed with going on belly, isn’t it injustice to subject some other animals to the same fate having never sinned against God? Another thing to note is that the serpent might have been walking on fours or upright. It would be fun having to see a walking or flying snake and since the serpent was cursed above every animal, it is certain that there were no reptiles. It would be fun seeing a snail walking upright or on fours. That the serpent shall go on his belly was not the only curse God cast on him, God also said "DUST SHALT THOU EAT ALL THE DAYS OF THY LIFE". Millenniums have passed, we have not seen a snake eating dust. Christians really need to reason.

Now, having known what the original sin was, who lured Adam and Eve to sin and his recompense, let us look into the effect of this sin on Adam and Eve and why Jesus needed to come and save us from the effect of this sin. In Genesis 3:16-17, the Bible says:
"Unto the woman he(God) said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow, thou shalt bring forth children, and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee"
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life"
We can read how God cursed Adam and Eve in these verses as a recompense for their act of disobedience. Christianity teaches that we are all under the effect of this curse and except there is a perfect sacrificial lamb that could serve as atonement for these sins, we would not have salvation. According to Christianity, this sacrificial lamb is Jesus.

Before proceeding to refute the idea that someone needs to come to die for our sins, let us see if the curse the Bible said God rained on Adam and Eve could be justified. While tracing the origin of the original sin, I pointed out how God warned Adam against eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:17). Therefore, prior to eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil. In fact, we can liken them to dummies. Why should God curse Adam and Eve for something they did having no knowledge of either good or evil? Anyone reading this should not hesitate to ask an evangelist anytime they show up at your doorstep. This is also a question a Christian reader should reflect upon.

Since Christianity teaches that Jesus came to die to redeem us from the curse of this sin, why are women still going through pain during childbirth? Some even die. Has man stopped hustling to make ends meet? What then is the significance of this bloody redemption?

The Bible says in Deuteronomy 24:16:
"The father shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin"
We can also read in Ezekiel 18:20:
"The soul that sinneth shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
These verses are refuting the idea that anyone shall die for the sins committed by another, we read further in Ezekiel chapter 18, verse 21 says
"But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die."
Verse 22 says,
"All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live"

A Christian reading this should ponder as these verses portray the loving nature of God not a supposed creator that holds all mankind responsible for the sins committed by two people and would not forgive the people till he kills his supposed only begotten son. Verse 23 of Ezekiel chapter 20 says:
"Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?"
The reader should not hesitate to ask anyone preaching that Jesus must die for us to be saved to answer this question the Bible said God asked in Ezekiel 18:23.God wants sincere repentance, not a bloody sacrifice. Jesus whom the Christians claim came to die for their sins taught his disciples to pray this way,
"Our father, who hath in heaven
hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come
thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven
give us, this day our daily bread
and FORGIVE US OUR TRESPASSES AS WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO TRESPASS AGAINST US..."


One may ask, why is Jesus whose mission was to come on earth to die for our sins enjoining his disciples to ask God for forgiveness of their sins? Was Jesus aware not of his mission?
Lol! Ranting and raving of a frustrated fool who can never understand the Ways Of God.Keep stressing your pathetic life over what your foolish brain can't comprehend.Lunatics everywhere.
Does it mean sane people are becoming scarce?
Re: The Falsehood Of Original Sin by AntiChristian: 7:20pm On Nov 16, 2022
Onyiiobi7735:

Lol! Ranting and raving of a frustrated fool who can never understand the Ways Of God.Keep stressing your pathetic life over what your foolish brain can't comprehend.Lunatics everywhere.
Does it mean sane people are becoming scarce?

You must be a core Ndigbo to possess this much hatred and abusive tendency!

But you'll claim you are like Christ but act like an antichrist.

See Christian abuse from someone who probably often speak in tongues and claims being born again!

Hypocrisy at the highest!
And see the other one creating his own topic as usual.

Na so Christianity of today be!

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Re: The Falsehood Of Original Sin by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:17pm On Nov 16, 2022
Politics is the original sin!

We must not impose our own standard on our fellowman, let God determine what is good or bad between you and your neighbour.
But with politics man will always dominate his fellowman to injury {Ecclesiastes 8:9} and the only people the oppressed can look up to for help are those oppressing them! Ecclesiastes 4:1
So all the rulers ever on this planet are opposing God as they're trying to set standards eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil!
That's why Samuel grew sad when the Israelites decided to have a king like all other nations! 1Samuel 8:5-9 smiley
Re: The Falsehood Of Original Sin by Kobojunkie: 5:24am On Jul 01, 2023
AntiChristian:
■ NOW, the bible raises a very serious issue here. This verse tells us that the serpent otherwise known as snake being under god's curse became a reptile. Now, we may ask what was the sin of other reptiles we have today such as the Crocodile, Lizard, Snail, etc. If the serpent was recompensed with going on belly, isn’t it injustice to subject some other animals to the same fate having never sinned against god?
■ Another thing to note is that the serpent might have been walking on fours or upright. It would be fun having to see a walking or flying snake and since the serpent was cursed above every animal, it is certain that there were no reptiles. It would be fun seeing a snail walking upright or on fours.
■ That the serpent shall go on his belly was not the only curse god cast on him, god also said "DUST SHALT THOU EAT ALL THE DAYS OF THY LIFE". Millenniums have passed, we have not seen a snake eating dust. Christians really need to reason.
1. The serpent formally not on its belly was forced to go on its belly and made an enemy of the woman's offspring. How is that unfair to the other reptiles? undecided

2. I am afraid I don't follow. How does the curse of God on the serpent translate to the non-existence of reptiles before the fact? undecided

3. Interesting! Never payed much attention to this before now. Let me see...! undecided
Re: The Falsehood Of Original Sin by gohf: 12:24pm On Jul 01, 2023
AntiChristian:
Daily Book Reading: Truth For The Truth Seekers P. 19 – 26 By Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman
https://knowislam.com.ng/daily-book-reading-truth-for.../

The reader should bear in mind that we are trying to figure out the origin of the original sin. I have shown how God commanded Adam not to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and how the serpent convinced Eve to eat of the tree who in turn convinced Adam to eat also. That Adam and Eve disobeyed God by eating of the tree they were commanded not to was the ORIGINAL SIN.

Christianity teaches that Jesus came to redeem us from the curse of this sin, which curse? Before we proceed to looking into the curse Christianity says Jesus came to redeem us from, let us look into how the serpent was recompensed for telling Eve the truth that she would not die the day she eats of the tree of the knowledge and good and bad. We read in genesis 3:14,
"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life"

NOW, the bible raises a very serious issue here. This verse tells us that the serpent otherwise known as snake being under God's curse became a reptile. Now, we may ask what was the sin of other reptiles we have today such as the Crocodile, Lizard, Snail, etc. If the serpent was recompensed with going on belly, isn’t it injustice to subject some other animals to the same fate having never sinned against God? Another thing to note is that the serpent might have been walking on fours or upright. It would be fun having to see a walking or flying snake and since the serpent was cursed above every animal, it is certain that there were no reptiles. It would be fun seeing a snail walking upright or on fours. That the serpent shall go on his belly was not the only curse God cast on him, God also said "DUST SHALT THOU EAT ALL THE DAYS OF THY LIFE". Millenniums have passed, we have not seen a snake eating dust. Christians really need to reason.
or you reason if what was written was written by a foo...l who didn't know snakes don't eat dust? First such assumption is leading making one who interprets it the fo...ol. The English Bible translate that word to serpent, why not let the Hebrew teach what that verse means? Wait the serpent cannot be figurative or represent something that isn't physical, "I choose to believe that the serpent is a real snake but that God is an imagination" 🤣🤣.

One can clearly read that it was the serpent that was cursed, not man or woman.

The curse of sin is death, the day you do so you will die, let's read on..

Now, having known what the original sin was, who lured Adam and Eve to sin and his recompense, let us look into the effect of this sin on Adam and Eve and why Jesus needed to come and save us from the effect of this sin. In Genesis 3:16-17, the Bible says:
"Unto the woman he(God) said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow, thou shalt bring forth children, and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee"
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life"
We can read how God cursed Adam and Eve in these verses as a recompense for their act of disobedience. Christianity teaches that we are all under the effect of this curse and except there is a perfect sacrificial lamb that could serve as atonement for these sins, we would not have salvation. According to Christianity, this sacrificial lamb is Jesus.
I am talking about Hebrew when simple english is hard, for u to think what God said to them was a curse is confusing. It is a curse for man to work? Man will begin to toil because he will leave the garden, women will need to bear children because the curse of death is operating on your lives. God is so wicked that though they were to die after eating the fruit, they lived for 900+ yrs, He is so wicked that he clothed them, and told them a way to live in this new world of there's.

How would you understand value of the cure when you can't even diagnose the disease properly. Is this called quackery 😂, quark. U don't even know that the curse of sin is death, the wages of sin is death, the soul that sins shall die, so how u want to understand the value of the solution... Let's continue

Before proceeding to refute the idea that someone needs to come to die for our sins, let us see if the curse the Bible said God rained on Adam and Eve could be justified. While tracing the origin of the original sin, I pointed out how God warned Adam against eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:17).
but left out the repercussion of eating it, wait either you are blind or acting blind or desire to blind others 😒
Therefore, prior to eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil. In fact, we can liken them to dummies.
a dummy is one who named every creature brought to him without God telling him anything, a dummy is the one who had conversation with "serpent and God". Who exactly is the dummy? If that's what defines a dummy then ain't you one as well

Why should God curse Adam and Eve for something they did having no knowledge of either good or evil? Anyone reading this should not hesitate to ask an evangelist anytime they show up at your doorstep. This is also a question a Christian reader should reflect upon.
🤣🤣🤣 are you really not a dummy? You quoted, God said they should not, isn't that knowledge of what to do and what not to do. Now you are claiming they were cursed for ignorance. 😒Are you confused, no be only reflection na deflection. Even if I am not a Christian I can see how dumb your logic sounds. Who said they had no knowledge. So someone without knowledge can speak words abi 🤣🤣

Since Christianity teaches that Jesus came to die to redeem us from the curse of this sin, why are women still going through pain during childbirth? Some even die. Has man stopped hustling to make ends meet? What then is the significance of this bloody redemption?
shut up, which sin, by yourself you assume something by yourself you conclude. The sin of ignorance, the curse of child bearing and labor and sweat on the field.

What is the significance of redemption, now you are talking, call it bloody all u like, na wicked people kill Jesus

The Bible says in Deuteronomy 24:16:
"The father shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin"
We can also read in Ezekiel 18:20:
"The soul that sinneth shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
These verses are refuting the idea that anyone shall die for the sins committed by another, we read further in Ezekiel chapter 18, verse 21 says
"But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die."
Verse 22 says,
"All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live"
now do you understand when it says Jesus TOOK OUR SINS, meaning he made it his own. O, u think he would have die without having sin. Impossible na, even the Jews knew that. The only way he could die is to have sin in him, but since he couldn't sin, well by now you can figure out what I am saying.

By the way Jesus didn't do that for the unrepentant wicked O, he did that for his friends those who no matter what they do will still have sin the day they die

A Christian reading this should ponder as these verses portray the loving nature of God not a supposed creator that holds all mankind responsible for the sins committed by two people and would not forgive the people till he kills his supposed only begotten son. Verse 23 of Ezekiel chapter 20 says:
"Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?"


Common sense and nature tells you a tree produces fruit and it's seed produces trees after there kind. Except you want to say you do not have the wickedness that your parents or family has 🤣, children are like there parents or family 😒 if not they won't be children if they don't take after. God doesn't take pleasure in punishing the wicked but he has to show mercy to the afflicted and judge wickedness, if not he won't be a just judge. So he shows his justice and mercy in that he can comfort the afflicted and redeem the wicked if they repent.
The point of responsible to remind those who do good and those who call themselves Christians what God said and who He is


The reader should not hesitate to ask anyone preaching that Jesus must die for us to be saved to answer this question the Bible said God asked in Ezekiel 18:23.God wants sincere repentance, not a bloody sacrifice. Jesus whom the Christians claim came to die for their sins taught his disciples to pray this way,
"Our father, who hath in heaven
hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come
thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven
give us, this day our daily bread
and FORGIVE US OUR TRESPASSES AS WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO TRESPASS AGAINST US..."


One may ask, why is Jesus whose mission was to come on earth to die for our sins enjoining his disciples to ask God for forgiveness of their sins? Was Jesus aware not of his mission?
because the sins He died for are not the sins of the unrepentant not the sins of the wicked, but the sins and mistakes of the merciful, the ignorant, the captives not those who mislead others and are captors, not those who refuse to stop murdering and killing the innocent, not those who refuse to stop being wicked. No these ones who love their wickedness and their wicked ways and refuse to repent will all perish, all workers of inquiry and works of the flesh will all perish.

Yes God wants repentance not bloody sacrifice, he desires mercy not sacrifice. Like Abraham said God will provide for himself a lamb and God did he provided for himself a lamb.

Obviously as fathers we see it as our responsibility to pay for the mistakes of our children
Re: The Falsehood Of Original Sin by vdestro: 1:55pm On Jul 01, 2023
AntiChristian:
...One may ask, why is Jesus whose mission was to come on earth to die for our sins enjoining his disciples to ask God for forgiveness of their sins? Was Jesus aware not of his mission?
...

The only way you can appreciate Christianity is when you cast away your Mohammedism so that you can start at the very beginning to learn all that we Christians know but we would never be able to tell you.

So, the short answer is you and your muslim priest can never understand the bible, nor original sin and why Christ died.

And ofcourse you will get nothing while we you as enemies of God and antiChrist as you potray. So, it is best you continue in your islamism or you put it away and come with a clean heart to learn what Christ is about ftom the beginning. There is no shortcut.
Re: The Falsehood Of Original Sin by AntiChristian: 7:21am On Jul 02, 2023
My religion is Islam and not Mohammedism. Mohammedism is never mentioned in the Quran but Islam! Christianity was never practiced by christ nor mentioned as a religion in the Bible!

Of course, it's easy to inherit Adam's sin but not Solomon's wealth!

Christ too was worshipping God while on earth!

vdestro:
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The only way you can appreciate Christianity is when you cast away your Mohammedism so that you can start at the very beginning to learn all that we Christians know but we would never be able to tell you.

So, the short answer is you and your muslim priest can never understand the bible, nor original sin and why Christ died.

And ofcourse you will get nothing while we you as enemies of God and antiChrist as you potray. So, it is best you continue in your islamism or you put it away and come with a clean heart to learn what Christ is about ftom the beginning. There is no shortcut.


Re: The Falsehood Of Original Sin by vdestro: 8:18am On Jul 02, 2023
AntiChristian:

My religion is Islam and not Mohammedism. Mohammedism is never mentioned in the Quran but Islam! Christianity was never practiced by christ nor mentioned as a religion in the Bible!

It does not appear so. You people have raised Mohammed even above Islam as proven by your killing for saying whatever you people feel is against Mohammed. So evidently, Mohammed is greater than Islam.

Any, not the issue.

AntiChristian:

Of course, it's easy to inherit Adam's sin but not Solomon's wealth!

That is the difference between superficial and natural. Riches is superficial but definitely if your father has albinism, you will certainly inherit it.
Re: The Falsehood Of Original Sin by AntiChristian: 8:50am On Jul 02, 2023
vdestro:


It does not appear so. You people have raised Mohammed even above Islam as proven by your killing for saying whatever you people feel is against Mohammed. So evidently, Mohammed is greater than Islam.

Any, not the issue.
No Muslim dare raise Muhammad more than his level of being a human prophet. It's unlike you turning Jesus to a man-God hermaphrodite!

And I've never killed anyone so how does this your "you people" sound like the way some Igbo Christians abuse Muslims over here!

Where was Christianity mentioned as a religion?



That is the difference between superficial and natural. Riches is superficial but definitely if your father has albinism, you will certainly inherit it.

So na only sin Adam get to pass as inheritance?

God is good all the time o! Everything God created is good!

Ndo!
Re: The Falsehood Of Original Sin by vdestro: 9:05am On Jul 02, 2023
AntiChristian:
No Muslim dare raise Muhammad more than his level of being a human prophet...

I said more than Islam and now you have changed it to more than human prophet.

So, clearly, you impliedly admit that Mohammed is greater than Islam.

Which means that Islam is less than human beings.

Which means that it is Mohammed you worship.
But as i said, not the issue.

AntiChristian:

So na only sin Adam get to pass as inheritance?..!

He also gave you his ability of liking a woman which made you marry and to know your wife to bear children, so you don't have any reasonable thing to say. E.O.D

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Re: The Falsehood Of Original Sin by AntiChristian: 9:42am On Jul 02, 2023
vdestro:


I said more than Islam and now you have changed it to more than human prophet.

So, clearly, you impliedly admit that Mohammed is greater than Islam.

Where did I imply that? And how can you compare a messenger with the message he was sent?

Which means that Islam is less than human beings.
How do you compare an abstract to something tangible?

Which means that it is Mohammed you worship.
But as i said, not the issue.
This just shows how deluded you are!

Love of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and mentioning his good attributes, both in his physical appearance and in his character, is part of faith. But exaggerating in praising him is something that he (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) forbade. Al-Bukhaari (3445) narrated from ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) that he said: I heard the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) say: “Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians exaggerated in praising the son of Maryam, for I am but a slave, so say: the slave of Allah and His Messenger.”

He also gave you his ability of liking a woman which made you marry and to know your wife to bear children, so you don't have any reasonable thing to say. E.O.D

If we can inherit sin a negative qualify from Adam why can we inherit any good deed from him?

Faulty theory of original sin!
Re: The Falsehood Of Original Sin by vdestro: 10:01am On Jul 02, 2023
AntiChristian:

If we can inherit sin a negative qualify from Adam why can we inherit any good deed from him?

Faulty theory of original sin!

I just showed you, you inherited liking a woman enough to wife her, from him, yet you pretend not to see it, as you did for the remainder of my post. Anyway, this is E.O.D
Re: The Falsehood Of Original Sin by AntiChristian: 10:28am On Jul 02, 2023
vdestro:


I just showed you, you inherited liking a woman enough to wife her, from him, yet you pretend not to see it, as you did for the remainder of my post. Anyway, this is E.O.D

Those part of inheritance are biological attributes! These can be explained in terms of genes, chromosomes and DNA!

Why do we all inherit sin from Adam and not one single good deed from him?
Re: The Falsehood Of Original Sin by vdestro: 10:31am On Jul 02, 2023
AntiChristian:


Those part of inheritance are biological attributes! These can be explained in terms of genes, chromosomes and DNA!

Why do we all inherit sin from Adam and not one single good deed from him?

What you choose to call D.N.A, is what we Christians call soul/spirit. Thus, we inherited both the good of liking a woman enough to marry her as well as the ability to sin.
Re: The Falsehood Of Original Sin by AntiChristian: 10:37am On Jul 02, 2023
vdestro:


What you choose to call D.N.A, is what we Christians call soul/spirit. Thus, we inherited both the good of liking a woman enough to marry her as well as the ability to sin.

grin
Chai! Deoxyribonucleic acid is soul/spirit!

Will your lies ever end?

What good deed equivalent to sin did we inherit from Adam?
Re: The Falsehood Of Original Sin by vdestro: 10:40am On Jul 02, 2023
AntiChristian:

grin
Chai! Deoxyribonucleic acid is soul/spirit!

Will your lies ever end?

You must be crazy if you can show the D.N.A of conscience and intuitition.

What good deed equivalent to sin did we inherit from Adam?

The ability to provide and cater for your wife and children is the exact opposite of starving and ocking her up as your brother has done
https://www.nairaland.com/7748620/man-arrested-caging-starving-wife
Re: The Falsehood Of Original Sin by AntiChristian: 10:44am On Jul 02, 2023
vdestro:


You must be crazy if you can show the D.N.A of conscience and intuitition.

I don't think anyone is asinine except you guy!

How can DNA be Soul/spirit?

DNA can be tweaked to some extent!
Re: The Falsehood Of Original Sin by Kukutenla: 10:47am On Jul 02, 2023
Claptrap from a terrorist
Re: The Falsehood Of Original Sin by vdestro: 10:53am On Jul 02, 2023
AntiChristian:


I don't think anyone is asinine except you guy!

How can DNA be Soul/spirit?

DNA can be tweaked to some extent!

You are the only one who is deranged for i clearly said "what you choose to ascribe to D.N.A, is what we ascribe to soul/spirit, which of course you can not find the DNA for conscience and intuition hence your futile attempt to switch your folly. As i said E.O.D
Re: The Falsehood Of Original Sin by AntiChristian: 6:42pm On Jul 02, 2023
vdestro:


You are the only one who is deranged for i clearly said "what you choose to ascribe to D.N.A, is what we ascribe to soul/spirit, which of course you can not find the DNA for conscience and intuition hence your futile attempt to switch your folly. As i said E.O.D

Stop telling lies O Christian! See the exact way you coined it below! You implied DNA =Soul/Spirit. You used a direct comparison not as a simile!

You still refused to tell us what good we inherit from Adam with verses in the Bible? No more lies please!

vdestro:


What you choose to call D.N.A, is what we Christians call soul/spirit. Thus, we inherited both the good of liking a woman enough to marry her as well as the ability to sin.

Re: The Falsehood Of Original Sin by vdestro: 2:11pm On Jul 03, 2023
AntiChristian:


Stop telling lies O Christian! See the exact way you coined it below! You implied DNA =Soul/Spirit. You used a direct comparison not as a simile!

You still refused to tell us what good we inherit from Adam with verses in the Bible? No more lies please!


You are the one making embarrassing yourself for everyone can see that we are talking about the core of man which you chose to call DNA, which is why i asked you for the DNA of conscience and intuition and you could not answer, in proof that you are talking rubbish.

Therefore, every reasonable person can see that i am saying that the core of man is soul and spirit.

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