They have no birthdays, don't believe in miracles, holy spirit, dresses like a cult, don't celebrate Christmas and refuse blood transfusion.
Are Jehovah witnesses christians? Or they're another religion?

onyemaair:


I like to think they are or course Christians, but misguided. They misinterpret the bible and then form doctrines around it. It isn't right. But I heard they are now reforming

onyemaair:

I like to think they are or course Christians, but misguided. They misinterpret the bible and then form doctrines around it. It isn't right. But I heard they are now reforming

johnw47:


i posted showing your lies, and of course you have no reply to that

truth is not sweet to you liars, to us Christians it is very sweet:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

MaxInDHouse:


You're the mad person here because the Bible made us to understand that Jesus' body is the sacrifice for sin so if he took it back after death then what has he paid for sin?

MaxInDHouse:


Ọ̀DẸ̀!
FOOL!

Jesus sacrificed two things for the salvation of mankind!

Luke 22:19-20

Bread represents what?
Wine represents what?

He has no right to retrieve any of the two after the sacrifice!

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ convince your friends that the name they have been singing belongs to Satan because Jesus resurrected in a spirit body not the physical materialised body he showed Thomas.

That's the truth whether you like it or not is not my cup of coffee!

Aemmyjah:
They keep talking nonsense especially idle courz who Satan has incited to throw all his zeal by sharing lies

Why was Jesus Christ not easily recognised after his resurrection? Have you read the accounts of the gospels of his dealings with others after he was resurrected? He already gave up his perfect body for humans. He was put to death in the flesh and made alive in the spirit but since humans can't see spirit unless they come in materialized bodies as angels do. Jesus christ did same. Stop attacking truths cos you been holding onto lies your whole lives

OgaNightmare:


According to Peter, Jesus was “put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit” (1 Peter 3:18 NKJV). Some (including you) have used these words to suggest that the resurrection body was not material flesh but immaterial “spirit".

#This interpretation is neither necessary nor consistent with the context of this passage and the rest of Scripture.
First of all, the passage can be translated “He was put to death in the body but made alive by the [Holy] Spirit” (NIV); it is rendered with this same understanding in others as well.
[Paul also tells his fellow brethrens at Rom8:11
" If the SPIRIT of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you.........]

What is more, in the New Testament the parallel between “death” and being “made alive” normally refers to bodily resurrection. For example, Paul declared that “Christ died and returned to life” (Rom. 14:9), and “He was crucified in weakness, yet he lives by God’s power” (2 Cor.
13:4).
Also, the context refers to the event as “the resurrection of Jesus Christ” (1 Peter 3:21), which is everywhere understood in the New Testament as a bodily resurrection.
Finally, even if “spirit” does refer to Jesus’ human spirit (rather than to the Holy Spirit), it cannot mean Jesus had no resurrection body; otherwise, the reference to His “body” (flesh) before His resurrection would mean He also had no human spirit. Hence, “flesh” in this context refers to His whole condition of humiliation before the Resurrection.

*Being humble enough to check the scriptures out for yourself even if it contradicts your religious dogma is always a bold step in the right direction.

Aemmyjah:
They keep talking nonsense especially idle courz who Satan has incited to throw all his zeal by sharing lies

Why was Jesus Christ not easily recognised after his resurrection? Have you read the accounts of the gospels of his dealings with others after he was resurrected? He already gave up his perfect body for humans. He was put to death in the flesh and made alive in the spirit but since humans can't see spirit unless they come in materialized bodies as angels do. Jesus christ did same. Stop attacking truths cos you been holding onto lies your whole lives

Aemmyjah:


Jesus sacriced 2 things
His bread and wine for mankind

The bread is his fleshly body (perfect body)
The wine is his blood

There are 9 resurrection in the Bible.
Jesus Christ was the 7th person but his own was different cos he was made alive in the spirit.
If you believe differently, then you may apply same analog to those who were resurrected as well like Dorcas, jairus daughter

Flesh and blood CANNOT inherit God's kingdom

He was not recognize by his disciples after he was resurrected after ONLY three days. If he were to travel for a year and come back, everyone can easily recognize him, even if na 10, 20 years
Why did Mary Magdalene not recognize him after the 3rd day though they conversed? Why did thomas not believe his fellow disciples that he was raised as if jesus christ did not tell them he will be raised up? Why did he insist on being able to see Jesus Christ in the with the holes in his body? Why did he believe, not when he saw Jesus Christ but when he saw those hole and touched them?

Don't argue with people that God has blessed with insight and true knowledge. Calm down and be humble and learn

OgaNightmare:

What's your point?
Just state them out clearly, All I see is a red herring

Aemmyjah:


Jesus sacriced 2 things
His bread and wine for mankind

The bread is his fleshly body (perfect body)
The wine is his blood

There are 9 resurrection in the Bible.
Jesus Christ was the 7th person but his own was different cos he was made alive in the spirit.
If you believe differently, then you may apply same analog to those who were resurrected as well like Dorcas, jairus daughter

Flesh and blood CANNOT inherit God's kingdom

He was not recognize by his disciples after he was resurrected after ONLY three days. If he were to travel for a year and come back, everyone can easily recognize him, even if na 10, 20 years
Why did Mary Magdalene not recognize him after the 3rd day though they conversed? Why did thomas not believe his fellow disciples that he was raised as if jesus christ did not tell them he will be raised up? Why did he insist on being able to see Jesus Christ in the with the holes in his body? Why did he believe, not when he saw Jesus Christ but when he saw those hole and touched them?

Don't argue with people that God has blessed with insight and true knowledge. Calm down and be humble and learn

OgaNightmare:




"Made alive by the Spirit"(NKJV, NIV, etc.). In other words, Jesus Christ was raised up by the power of the Holy Spirit.

OgaNightmare:

Chris was raised up with an incorruptible body "a glorified body" fit for heavenly life.
At 1 Corinthians 15:40 :
There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another.
At verse 53 Paul continues: "For this perishable body(our mortal human bodies made of dust) must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on Immortality."
Not an immaterial body

Aemmyjah:


I asked questions for you to answer so answer them first

Yes, holy spirit is at work in every resurrection including that of Jesus Christ but he was raised as spirit. I don't know which NIV you quoted from but see the images below

MaxInDHouse:


Ọ̀DẸ̀!
FOOL!

Jesus sacrificed two things for the salvation of mankind!

Luke 22:19-20

Bread represents what?
Wine represents what?

He has no right to retrieve any of the two after the sacrifice!

OgaNightmare:


According to Peter, Jesus was “put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit” (1 Peter 3:18 NKJV). Some (including you) have used these words to suggest that the resurrection body was not material flesh but immaterial “spirit".

#This interpretation is neither necessary nor consistent with the context of this passage and the rest of Scripture.
First of all, the passage can be translated “He was put to death in the body but made alive by the [Holy] Spirit” (NIV); it is rendered with this same understanding in others as well.
[Paul also tells his fellow brethrens at Rom8:11
" If the SPIRIT of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you.........]

What is more, in the New Testament the parallel between “death” and being “made alive” normally refers to bodily resurrection. For example, Paul declared that “Christ died and returned to life” (Rom. 14:9), and “He was crucified in weakness, yet he lives by God’s power” (2 Cor.
13:4).
Also, the context refers to the event as “the resurrection of Jesus Christ” (1 Peter 3:21), which is everywhere understood in the New Testament as a bodily resurrection.
Finally, even if “spirit” does refer to Jesus’ human spirit (rather than to the Holy Spirit), it cannot mean Jesus had no resurrection body; otherwise, the reference to His “body” (flesh) before His resurrection would mean He also had no human spirit. Hence, “flesh” in this context refers to His whole condition of humiliation before the Resurrection.

*Being humble enough to check the scriptures out for yourself even if it contradicts your religious dogma is always a bold step in the right direction.

onyemaair:


I like to think they are or course Christians, but misguided. They misinterpret the bible and then form doctrines around it. It isn't right. But I heard they are now reforming

Aemmyjah:


I asked questions for you to answer so answer them first

Yes, holy spirit is at work in every resurrection including that of Jesus Christ but he was raised as spirit. I don't know which NIV you quoted from but see the images below

Courz:


JWs will never admit they are wrong. Never! Even though they are all falling into a pit.

This explanation of yours is consistent with other Bible verses. I remember another Bible verse I bumped into, I can't remember if it is John in Revelation or Daniel, one of them, was said to be in the spirit while he was seeing the visions. Does that mean that one of them was in spirit form? No. It meant that they were under the influence of the Holy Spirit to see those visions.

Common sense should tell JWs that when they have a doctrine that doesn't go with many other Bible verses, it is time to change that doctrine after all their so called Faithful Slave make too many mistakes in doctrines. How can you argue over a doctrine when there are so many other verses that totally destroy it? I have been asking them to explain why Jesus said he will raise up his body in 3 days and why Jesus told Thomas that he is not a Spirit. Not one of them could answer. They all went into their Robotic mode. Mad MaxInDHouse says Jesus lied and deceived Thomas that he had a physical body because Thomas was not ready to be told the truth. How Mad Max was able to read the mind of Jesus from 2022 down to thousands of years ago is Marvellous. And they get offended when they are called a Satanic Cult.

Ken4Christ:


Who are we going to believe? Your wicked organization that opposes the truth of God's word or what the word of God teaches.

The verse below confirms that Jesus has a body but it is a glorious one;

Philippians 3:21

Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto HIS GLORIOUS BODY , according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

And it says that our bodies will be transformed also to be like his glorious body.

I know that you are thinking of another lie to fabricate.

Interpret the above verse for me.

MaxInDHouse:


If you don't understand people's beliefs just ask them to tell you instead of lying against them!

Jesus' body was taken away by the two angels
{John 20:12} just as angels did with the body of Moses so that no Israelite knew his tomb till today:

But when Miʹcha·el the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: “May Jehovah rebuke you" Jude 9

OgaNightmare:


Jesus himself answers (John 10:17,18):

For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I MAY TAKE IT UP AGAIN. 18 No one takes it from me, BUT I LAY IT DOWN OF MY OWN ACCORD. I HAVE AUTHORITY TO lay it down, and I have AUTHORITY TO TAKE IT UP AGAIN. This charge I have received from my Father.”

*Nothing can be clearer than these words of Christ; the life which He surrendered would be the same life which He would take again.

OgaNightmare:
Courz just take a look at this, first a clear denial of the words of Christ and later a shameless admition of the plain language used in the passage.
Do the really have God's Revelation as the claim?

*Therefore, in answer, the Jews said to him: "What sign have you to show us, since you are doing these things?" In answer Jesus said to them: "Break down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." Therefore the Jews said: "This temple was built in forty-six years, and will you raise it up in three days?" But he was TALKING ABOUT THE TEMPLE OF HIS BODY. (NWT)

#Now look at the interpretation of that verse from the Watchtower:

"This setting shows that Jesus was not talking about his physical body, but "he was talking about the temple of his body". ... Now with this broadened view of matters we must return to the consideration of Jesus' words, "In three days I will raise it up." We have seen how he did start giving attention to the building up of the temple of living stones after his resurrection on the third day of his death. ... this building of "the temple of his body" started then and continued through the years that followed ... Jesus' words, "In three days I will raise it up," were merely predicting that the [spiritual] temple would be raised up on the third day after his death on the torture stake, and Jehovah God was the one who raised up the temple by first raising up the head member of it, the Lord Jesus Christ, and from then on, from that third day on, God used him to raise up all the other members of the temple class. (Zech. 6:12) So through the Roman military the Jews broke down the chief and initial member of God's spiritual temple, but on the third day Jehovah raised him as a spirit creature and chief cornerstone of the spiritual temple. –The Watchtower, October 1, 1952, page 606-607.
*Absolutely concocted and covoluted explanation, the level of heresy in this explanation is top notch.

Now look at what they later admitted;

"To begin with, Jesus himself repeatedly foretold that he would be raised from the dead. Early in his ministry he referred to it, saying: "Break down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." "He was talking about the temple of his body." (John 2:19-21) ... How can we understand all these plain statements if Jesus was not actually raised from the dead? –The Watchtower, November 15, 1969, page 678.

Funny people

OgaNightmare:




"Jesus' body was taken away by the two angels
{John 20:12} just as angels did with the body of Moses so that no Israelite knew his tomb till today"- THE GOODNEWS ACCORDING TO MAXIMUS VOL.3
Courz come and see heresy even his fellow JW's won't agree with him on this

OgaNightmare:

"Jesus' body was taken away by the two angels
{John 20:12} just as angels did with the body of Moses so that no Israelite knew his tomb till today"- THE GOODNEWS ACCORDING TO MAXIMUS VOL.3
Courz come and see heresy even his fellow JW's won't agree with him on this

OgaNightmare:


Currently now my family is hitting back at me cus they've seen I'm no longer taking the Borg seriously. They're saying I'm no longer interested in spiritual things anymore that I'm dwindling.
Therefore I refrain from having any biblical discussion with them, cus no matter how hard I try they won't still wake up.
So this days I just force myself and play along.
Even if you show them from their publications the will never believe it, but time will tell.

MaxInDHouse:



Whether you'll call it a lie or not that's your own cup of coffee but since you asked i will answer for the benefit of other followers.

Paul was talking about the BORN AGAIN Christians {John 3:5-6} they will be taken to heaven with Jesus {1Thessalonians 4:16-17} their physical bodies will decay but they will be given a spiritual body with which they will live as angels in heaven! Luke 20:34-36

MaxInDHouse:


Atheist!

Do you agree with Courz that JEHOVAH is the name of Satan?

Ken4Christ:

You have just testified with your mouth that you are not born again. So, you are sure to go to hell. Meanwhile, Paul never said so. He said God will change our bodies. He mentioned that those who are alive when Jesus comes will receive a new body. Why am I even wasting my time on a son of perdition like you. My only pain is gullible souls you will take along with you to that burning flame.