A church is like a training ground to improve the imperfection of man,no one is righteous,no not one.But the public always expect christians including pastors and evangelist to be infallible,but it's not so, because they're human.Its just a platform to build your faith from continually hearing the word of God.

True... However the church might be for the sinners but only the righteous should mount the pulpit and preach the word of God


Just as the majority of people in an hospital are sick, the doctors and nurses must always remain healthy and fit

Excellent write-up!

coputa:
A church is like a training ground to improve the imperfection of man,no one is righteous,no not one.But the public always expect christians including pastors and evangelist to be infallible,but it's not so, because they're human.Its just a platform to build your faith from continually hearing the word of God.

Moh247:

True... However the church might be for the sinners but only the righteous should mount the pulpit and preach the word of God

Naaaaaaaaaaaaa only the REPENTANT should!

For all have sinned and fall short of God's glory {Romans 3:23} so when a sinner repents he is striving to be holy that's the quality Jesus Christ wants because such a person is alert he will be fit to rescue others when they're about to drown in sin! Luke 22:31-32

But not to remain sinners for life

duro4chang:
But not to remain sinners for life

That's why God's word referred to those that will be saved in the end as people who have WASHED their robes in the blood of the lamb! Revelations 7:14

So while washing whoever is inspecting their robes will notice lots and lots of filthy things but God is patient with them because of His infinite mercy {Psalms 103:12-14} as long as they continue washing their robes in the blood of the lamb God is looking at them as perfect because they will eventually become perfect!

coputa:
A church is like a training ground to improve the imperfection of man,no one is righteous,no not one.But the public always expect christians including pastors and evangelist to be infallible,but it's not so, because they're human.Its just a platform to build your faith from continually hearing the word of God.

So nobody for church don grow at all and become mature becos church is for sinners... we just like disobeying simple commandments nothing more..

..we go dey give excuse say temptation too much...yet na some of us dey go tempt temptation....born again wey dey go club full of olosho..

una go come dey give excuse say church is for sinners...lets continue in sin ooooo and see how the world will be a better place

MaxInDHouse:


Naaaaaaaaaaaaa only the REPENTANT should!

For all have sinned and fall short of God's glory {Romans 3:23} so when a sinner repents he is striving to be holy that's the quality Jesus Christ wants because such a person is alert he will be fit to rescue others when they're about to drown in sin! Luke 22:31-32

Fair enough

MaxInDHouse:


Naaaaaaaaaaaaa only the REPENTANT should!..

A Repentant means one who has stopped sinning meaning, he has become right doing therefore righteous.

So in the end he is perfectly right.

Moh247:
True... However the church might be for the sinners but only the righteous should mount the pulpit and preach the word of God


Just as the majority of people in an hospital are sick, the doctors and nurses must always remain healthy and fit

Perfect and Accurate.

The blind cannot give sight to the blind. That is The Law.

coputa:
A church is like a training ground to improve the imperfection of man,no one is righteous,no not one. But the public always expect christians including pastors and evangelist to be infallible,but it's not so, because they're human.Its just a platform to build your faith from continually hearing the word of God.

Made by whom for sinners? A platform to build faith in what exactly?

God never commanded your churches to begin with since He never asked any man to build or convene in the way your churches do using His name. Meaning that even the faith you supposedly build using this platform has nothing to do with God but all to do with the doctrines and traditions--- business ideas and rules--- of the men who run such platforms, your pastors and mogs who can't be of God as a result.

coputa:
A church is like a training ground to improve the imperfection of man,no one is righteous,no not one.But the public always expect christians including pastors and evangelist to be infallible,but it's not so, because they're human.Its just a platform to build your faith from continually hearing the word of God.

Exodus 18:20/21 is The Law

Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:

MaxInDHouse:


That's why God's word referred to those that will be saved in the end as people who have WASHED their robes in the blood of the lamb! Revelations 7:14

So while washing whoever is inspecting their robes will notice lots and lots of filthy things but God is patient with them because of His infinite mercy {Psalms 103:12-14} as long as they continue washing their robes in the blood of the lamb God is looking at them as perfect because they will eventually become perfect!

At the same time you cannot belong to God and still expect your life to remain the same. The bible says old things are passed away. You can't continue to fornicate, lying, stealing etc and still claim to be in Christ. No justification for sin.

duro4chang:
At the same time you cannot belong to God and still expect your life to remain the same. The bible says old things are passed away. You can't continue to fornicate, lying, stealing etc and still claim to be in Christ. No justification for sin.

You need to understand the use of present continuous ('ING) if someone KILLED it differs from someone who is KILLING, if someone STOLE it differs from STEALING.

So get it straight a repentant person is one who has been doing it in the past but no longer after repentance.
For instance a fornicator doesn't find pleasure in FORNICATION anymore after repentance because when he repents he will start seeing formication the same way Joseph viewed it! Genesis 39:9

MaxInDHouse:


You need to understand the use of present continuous ('ING) if someone KILLED it differs from someone who is KILLING, if someone STOLE it differs from STEALING.

So get it straight a repentant person is one who has been doing it in the past but no longer after repentance.
For instance a fornicator doesn't find pleasure in FORNICATION anymore after repentance because when he repents he will start seeing formication the same way Joseph viewed it! Genesis 39:9

Is there any difference between what you wrote now and what I have written earlier ?

duro4chang:
Is there any difference between what you wrote now and what I have written earlier ?

If there's none then why quote me in the first place?

MaxInDHouse:


If there's none then why quote me in the first place?

You don turn am to anger abi?

duro4chang:
You don turn am to anger abi?

Guy forget, God only detest practicers of sin not a sinner!

MaxInDHouse:

Guy forget, God only detest practicers of sin not a sinner!

You should not justify yourself for commiting sin anyway.

duro4chang:
You should not justify yourself for commiting sin anyway.

Man was not created perfect by God,our creator,God knows this,hence,his grace was made available for man.It takes his grace to live above sin.

duro4chang:
At the same time you cannot belong to God and still expect your life to remain the same. The bible says old things are passed away. You can't continue to fornicate, lying, stealing etc and still claim to be in Christ. No justification for sin.

There's no justification for sin,but, unless the grace of God covers you, your flesh will cave in,sin is a spiritual warfare,that you can only be overcome, through the grace and power of God,and not through your (flesh) power, wisdom and connections .

coputa:
Man was not created perfect by God,our creator,God knows this,hence,his grace was made available for man.It takes his grace to live above sin.

Man was not created perfect or Holy by God. No such place in scripture is that recorded as being the case. Instead, He was created and declared good i.e. stamped by God with His seal of approval as being fit for the work He was created for. Imagine for a minute, a seal of approval on a product built and certified as being I'm full working condition -- that is the closest equivalent of what took place in Genesis 1-2 when God created man. What this means is man was adequately designed and created by God to attain perfection/holiness if he, man, so chose to, and this through careful obedience to God's commandments. Adam could have easily chosen obedience which would have led to Him being perfect/Holy but he refused, and chose, of his very will, disobedience. Yes, sin, even as it was with Adam, it still is today, a choice in disobedience of God's direct commandments.

Grace, which you have all made gods of refers to the Eternal Life which all who gain access to the Kingdom of God either through the Broad Gate which leads to Hell, or the Narrow Gate which leads to Heaven receive when they become born-again. Yes, all those who will eventually end up in Hell fire at the end of it all will all be born-again and as such have Eternal life(Grace) which they will in turn spend in place Eternal damnation. Grace does not, and cannot free any man from sin.

Recall instead that Jesus Christ said, "I am The Way, the Truth, and the Eternal Life(grace)." -in John 14 vs 6. Well, it is The Truth, not the grace, that can save a man from sin, and the only way that will happen is if one submits to continuous acceptance and obedience of the Truth, Jesus Christ's teachings and commandments - John 8 vs 31 - 36. It is only by resolving to know the Truth in this manner that one can then be set free by the Truth Himself, Jesus Christ, from slavery to sin. And this makes absolute sense, since sin, after all, is disobedience of Jesus Christ's teachings and commandments. And as such the only way around it is to make the conscious choice of obedience instead of disobedience each moment of every day of your life.

coputa:
There's no justification for sin,but, unless the grace of God covers you, your flesh will cave in,sin is a spiritual warfare,that you can only be overcome, through the grace and power of God,and not through your (flesh) power, wisdom and connections .

The grace of God in Jesus Christ can't save you from sins in Jesus Christ. Grace aka Eternal life was instead meant to absolve you of past sins so you can then enter into the Kingdom of God. Once you have entered into the Kingdom of God either through the Broad gate that leads to Hell or the Narrow Gate, Grace becomes nothing more than resources available to helping you achieve that which God has for you to achieve.

Sin is a choice, and nothing spiritual about that. The same way you chose what you eat and when is the very same way you make the choice to sin or not to sin against your mother, father or in this case, God. Why you lot have taken to elevating sin to a divine status over yourselves is beyond me.

The Body of the Messiah is not for sinners but for the righteous.

It is very important to separate the Body of the Messiah, which is made up of his saints, servants, followers, and messengers, from what people call church. The two are not the same.

coputa:
Man was not created perfect by God,our creator,God knows this,hence,his grace was made available for man.It takes his grace to live above sin.

How you people read and comprehend is a wonder. Did you not see that man was created perfect at the beginning before and until he fell on his own?

Since he is the one who fell is he not the one who is to get back up again (if he likes) and return to his perfection? hence the commandment of "be ye perfect"!

duro4chang:
You should not justify yourself for commiting sin anyway.

Commiting differs from commit or committed!